Pakistan should expand the ISI, To be honest the fact that the ISI is causing so much problems to Hindus, American, And the down-syndrome suffering British makes me belive that the ISI is doing its job right!
ISI expansion is a must, Especially in Afghanistan and India, But also abroad, I would love to see ISI carry out assasinations of Anti-Pakistanist p1gs in Europe, American, Middle East and everywhere.
ISI needs to enshrine Pakistan interests all over the world.
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QUOTE (Captain Bribes @ Mar 6 2010, 08:58 PM) 
Pakistan should expand the ISI, To be honest the fact that the ISI is causing so much problems to Hindus, American, And the down-syndrome suffering British makes me belive that the ISI is doing its job right!
ISI expansion is a must, Especially in Afghanistan and India, But also abroad, I would love to see ISI carry out assasinations of Anti-Pakistanist p1gs in Europe, American, Middle East and everywhere.
ISI needs to enshrine Pakistan interests all over the world.
ISI expansion is a must, Especially in Afghanistan and India, But also abroad, I would love to see ISI carry out assasinations of Anti-Pakistanist p1gs in Europe, American, Middle East and everywhere.
ISI needs to enshrine Pakistan interests all over the world.
I like your options. It's so self-incriminating. Only a hinju loving qadiyani would vote for the second option... (I know, I made it worse)...
Question is can we do it or not.i don't think our economy atleast current economy can sustain it.i love to see ISI worldwide to defend PK interest and Pakistani people.
They represent amazing value. They are amongst the very best intelligence agencies.
I'm sure you've all read this article. [2 years old]
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/weekinre...20mazzetti.html
I'm sure you've all read this article. [2 years old]
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/weekinre...20mazzetti.html
yes. and we should expand where ever hindu economic interest lies.coz sound economy is the core of any country getting powerful.we should hit them at there business cities like mumbai,gurgaon,noaida,delhi,bangalore,pune,chennai,kochi,kolkata,goa.these are the main economic centers of hindus.sabotage hit them hard at there tourist centers like goa.destroy their tourism,IT,industry.hit IPL and other international events like commonwealth games,cricket world cup,and any other tour events so no country vist them.supply arms to khalistanis,kashmiri,maoists.hit gujrat,hyderabad.hit there defence ,space, nuke establishments.hit business units like big companies tata ,reliance petro etc
to be frank, I think ISI is just the right size. there is nothing wrong with it. The problem are the leaders. they need to get bigger balls. Gen. Zia time, love him or hate him, was the only time when effectiveness of ISI was actually put to use. Pakistani ambassador gets humiliated by rats, couple of hours later somebody treats the indian official similarly. if indian were using the sindh card, we had sikh card. And not to forget the kashmir operation.
anyways. isi is fine its the leaders who need to be fixed.
anyways. isi is fine its the leaders who need to be fixed.
I agree that Pakistan should expand the ISI to safeguard Pakistan's interests, but for now I think ISI will concentrate on Afghanistan, India, and of course at home in Pakistan.
In a few years when we see Gwadar Port making business and Pakistan's economy grow, then we can send ISI all over the world to safeguard Pakistan's interests. ISI will also play a role on the Arabian Sea and the Strait of Hormuz where most of world's exports and imports will pass. bhindia's time is over.
In a few years when we see Gwadar Port making business and Pakistan's economy grow, then we can send ISI all over the world to safeguard Pakistan's interests. ISI will also play a role on the Arabian Sea and the Strait of Hormuz where most of world's exports and imports will pass. bhindia's time is over.
QUOTE (sobank @ Mar 7 2010, 09:31 AM)
to be frank, I think ISI is just the right size. there is nothing wrong with it. The problem are the leaders. they need to get bigger balls. Gen. Zia time, love him or hate him, was the only time when effectiveness of ISI was actually put to use. Pakistani ambassador gets humiliated by rats, couple of hours later somebody treats the indian official similarly. if indian were using the sindh card, we had sikh card. And not to forget the kashmir operation.
anyways. isi is fine its the leaders who need to be fixed.
anyways. isi is fine its the leaders who need to be fixed.
I agree. The problem are the ball-less impotent leaders, not the agencies.
agree but it should be under pure military control
well IB should be given under direct control of PM not interior ministry
FIA has only to be under Direct control of Interior Minstery
ISI should only be dealing with countering external threads..it should not be used for countering of Internal probs includes political and other issues..IB should be given this role..ISI should be made a pure military administrately run spy agency
well IB should be given under direct control of PM not interior ministry
FIA has only to be under Direct control of Interior Minstery
ISI should only be dealing with countering external threads..it should not be used for countering of Internal probs includes political and other issues..IB should be given this role..ISI should be made a pure military administrately run spy agency
i voted no, not because i love rundians but a secret agency is not a normal government institution and expanding it could create a creature with a great power.
QUOTE (writer84 @ Mar 6 2010, 09:05 PM)
They represent amazing value. They are amongst the very best intelligence agencies.
I'm sure you've all read this article. [2 years old]
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/weekinre...20mazzetti.html
I'm sure you've all read this article. [2 years old]
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/weekinre...20mazzetti.html
wow man, thanx for posting this link...
Very informative....
its just cool....
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One senior C.I.A. official, recently retired, said that of all the foreign spymasters the C.I.A. had dealt with, General Kayani was the most formidable and may have earned the most respect at C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Va. The soft-spoken general, he said, is a master manipulator
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Until late last year, when he was elevated to the command of the entire army, the Pakistani spymaster who had been running the I.S.I. was Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. American officials describe this smart and urbane general as at once engaging and inscrutable, an avid golfer with occasionally odd affectations. During meetings, he will often spend several minutes carefully hand-rolling a cigarette. Then, after taking one puff, he stubs it out.
There are some areas that have shown that ISI numbers weren't sufficient: Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran , Kashmir and India. As for USA, China, Russia, Europe, we can forget about it. Our national interests aren't being met in the middle east too. As for Africa so many lost opportunities that ISI could have helped us on. Enemies of our enemies should be our friends and we should be arming and supporting them all through ISI, MI etc. We should set up an economic intelligience wing to work alongside our ISI and MI etc.
QUOTE (sobank @ Mar 6 2010, 11:31 PM)
to be frank, I think ISI is just the right size. there is nothing wrong with it. The problem are the leaders. they need to get bigger balls. Gen. Zia time, love him or hate him, was the only time when effectiveness of ISI was actually put to use. Pakistani ambassador gets humiliated by rats, couple of hours later somebody treats the indian official similarly. if indian were using the sindh card, we had sikh card. And not to forget the kashmir operation.
anyways. isi is fine its the leaders who need to be fixed.
anyways. isi is fine its the leaders who need to be fixed.
QUOTE (PakSniper @ Mar 7 2010, 06:13 AM)
i voted no, not because i love rundians but a secret agency is not a normal government institution and expanding it could create a creature with a great power.
Sounds like Jew York Times: "Secret faction", "ISI out of control", "Rogue elements within the ISI". Strange how the ISI is the worlds premier intelligence agency when we are helping US interests, But "out of control" when we uphold our own interests.
Even though i voted yes because of the bias answers, let me say that in the end it will be the quality and not the quantity that will determine the Badshah of undercover agencies. Mossad is such examples.
After yesterdays lahore blast we need ISI agent in every city,town and village of india who can do bombing in syncronised efforts simultaneously to paralyze india.
May be our loyal and patriotic citizens should help ISI etc by forming unofficial Pakistan defence groups ? We are not going to get much out of our government.
I'm a hindu loving quadiyani etc, add more where you think is relevant. 
I voted no. I want to know why you think they need to be expanded.
To protect against terrorism? To help fight anti state elements backing terrorists? I think their current size is adequete for this. To fight terrorism, we need to go about using the police and the local population. Many of you who live in the cities know of new madarsas which have opened, new people in the neighbourhood etc, how many of you are aware of what goes on inside, who that person is etc? Everyone knew about what happened in the lal masjid nobody did anything to stop the hoarding of weapons in the middle of the capital, not before it became embarassing. in the end we ended up killing children in the fight that ensued. This is the job of the police, not the ISI.
The main thing hamstringing the police is the politicans. Behind every major crime in Pakistan is political support. Rapists, robbers, fraudsters,murderers, drug dealers, peadophiles etc all get asylum from justice using political connections. the lal masjid mullah had his political friends make sure he could do what he wanted without the law acting against him. You get the politicans to back the law, to abide by the law, the rest of society will fall in place. Currently 3000 bullet proof vests destined for NWFP police are at Islamabad airport, waiting to be collected, politicans wont fill the right forms.
If you want to use the ISI to fight dirty wars, your wrong there too. We have had enough of fighting from the shadows. As long as we continue to do so, we cannot really be counted. Yes they have a purpose, yes they can be used, but we cannot make this the long term plan. We need to be courageous enough to defend our interests in the open and fight for them. We have the capability, we need to utlise it.
If you have any other ideas of why we need to expand the isi, then i'm all ears.
I voted no. I want to know why you think they need to be expanded.
To protect against terrorism? To help fight anti state elements backing terrorists? I think their current size is adequete for this. To fight terrorism, we need to go about using the police and the local population. Many of you who live in the cities know of new madarsas which have opened, new people in the neighbourhood etc, how many of you are aware of what goes on inside, who that person is etc? Everyone knew about what happened in the lal masjid nobody did anything to stop the hoarding of weapons in the middle of the capital, not before it became embarassing. in the end we ended up killing children in the fight that ensued. This is the job of the police, not the ISI.
The main thing hamstringing the police is the politicans. Behind every major crime in Pakistan is political support. Rapists, robbers, fraudsters,murderers, drug dealers, peadophiles etc all get asylum from justice using political connections. the lal masjid mullah had his political friends make sure he could do what he wanted without the law acting against him. You get the politicans to back the law, to abide by the law, the rest of society will fall in place. Currently 3000 bullet proof vests destined for NWFP police are at Islamabad airport, waiting to be collected, politicans wont fill the right forms.
If you want to use the ISI to fight dirty wars, your wrong there too. We have had enough of fighting from the shadows. As long as we continue to do so, we cannot really be counted. Yes they have a purpose, yes they can be used, but we cannot make this the long term plan. We need to be courageous enough to defend our interests in the open and fight for them. We have the capability, we need to utlise it.
If you have any other ideas of why we need to expand the isi, then i'm all ears.
QUOTE (platinum786 @ Mar 14 2010, 07:10 AM)
I'm a hindu loving quadiyani etc, add more where you think is relevant.
I voted no. I want to know why you think they need to be expanded.
To protect against terrorism? To help fight anti state elements backing terrorists? I think their current size is adequete for this. To fight terrorism, we need to go about using the police and the local population. Many of you who live in the cities know of new madarsas which have opened, new people in the neighbourhood etc, how many of you are aware of what goes on inside, who that person is etc? Everyone knew about what happened in the lal masjid nobody did anything to stop the hoarding of weapons in the middle of the capital, not before it became embarassing. in the end we ended up killing children in the fight that ensued. This is the job of the police, not the ISI.
The main thing hamstringing the police is the politicans. Behind every major crime in Pakistan is political support. Rapists, robbers, fraudsters,murderers, drug dealers, peadophiles etc all get asylum from justice using political connections. the lal masjid mullah had his political friends make sure he could do what he wanted without the law acting against him. You get the politicans to back the law, to abide by the law, the rest of society will fall in place. Currently 3000 bullet proof vests destined for NWFP police are at Islamabad airport, waiting to be collected, politicans wont fill the right forms.
If you want to use the ISI to fight dirty wars, your wrong there too. We have had enough of fighting from the shadows. As long as we continue to do so, we cannot really be counted. Yes they have a purpose, yes they can be used, but we cannot make this the long term plan. We need to be courageous enough to defend our interests in the open and fight for them. We have the capability, we need to utlise it.
If you have any other ideas of why we need to expand the isi, then i'm all ears.
nicely put platinum.internal security and intelligence gathering is should be with police and with its intelligence units.army and isi must concentrate on fighting external threat.and to thwart external threat we need isi to be expanded in every city of our enemy to sabotage their internal security apparatus.I voted no. I want to know why you think they need to be expanded.
To protect against terrorism? To help fight anti state elements backing terrorists? I think their current size is adequete for this. To fight terrorism, we need to go about using the police and the local population. Many of you who live in the cities know of new madarsas which have opened, new people in the neighbourhood etc, how many of you are aware of what goes on inside, who that person is etc? Everyone knew about what happened in the lal masjid nobody did anything to stop the hoarding of weapons in the middle of the capital, not before it became embarassing. in the end we ended up killing children in the fight that ensued. This is the job of the police, not the ISI.
The main thing hamstringing the police is the politicans. Behind every major crime in Pakistan is political support. Rapists, robbers, fraudsters,murderers, drug dealers, peadophiles etc all get asylum from justice using political connections. the lal masjid mullah had his political friends make sure he could do what he wanted without the law acting against him. You get the politicans to back the law, to abide by the law, the rest of society will fall in place. Currently 3000 bullet proof vests destined for NWFP police are at Islamabad airport, waiting to be collected, politicans wont fill the right forms.
If you want to use the ISI to fight dirty wars, your wrong there too. We have had enough of fighting from the shadows. As long as we continue to do so, we cannot really be counted. Yes they have a purpose, yes they can be used, but we cannot make this the long term plan. We need to be courageous enough to defend our interests in the open and fight for them. We have the capability, we need to utlise it.
If you have any other ideas of why we need to expand the isi, then i'm all ears.
QUOTE (platinum786 @ Mar 14 2010, 01:10 PM)
I'm a hindu loving quadiyani etc, add more where you think is relevant.
I voted no. I want to know why you think they need to be expanded.
To protect against terrorism? To help fight anti state elements backing terrorists? I think their current size is adequete for this. To fight terrorism, we need to go about using the police and the local population. Many of you who live in the cities know of new madarsas which have opened, new people in the neighbourhood etc, how many of you are aware of what goes on inside, who that person is etc? Everyone knew about what happened in the lal masjid nobody did anything to stop the hoarding of weapons in the middle of the capital, not before it became embarassing. in the end we ended up killing children in the fight that ensued. This is the job of the police, not the ISI.
The main thing hamstringing the police is the politicans. Behind every major crime in Pakistan is political support. Rapists, robbers, fraudsters,murderers, drug dealers, peadophiles etc all get asylum from justice using political connections. the lal masjid mullah had his political friends make sure he could do what he wanted without the law acting against him. You get the politicans to back the law, to abide by the law, the rest of society will fall in place. Currently 3000 bullet proof vests destined for NWFP police are at Islamabad airport, waiting to be collected, politicans wont fill the right forms.
If you want to use the ISI to fight dirty wars, your wrong there too. We have had enough of fighting from the shadows. As long as we continue to do so, we cannot really be counted. Yes they have a purpose, yes they can be used, but we cannot make this the long term plan. We need to be courageous enough to defend our interests in the open and fight for them. We have the capability, we need to utlise it.
If you have any other ideas of why we need to expand the isi, then i'm all ears.
I voted no. I want to know why you think they need to be expanded.
To protect against terrorism? To help fight anti state elements backing terrorists? I think their current size is adequete for this. To fight terrorism, we need to go about using the police and the local population. Many of you who live in the cities know of new madarsas which have opened, new people in the neighbourhood etc, how many of you are aware of what goes on inside, who that person is etc? Everyone knew about what happened in the lal masjid nobody did anything to stop the hoarding of weapons in the middle of the capital, not before it became embarassing. in the end we ended up killing children in the fight that ensued. This is the job of the police, not the ISI.
The main thing hamstringing the police is the politicans. Behind every major crime in Pakistan is political support. Rapists, robbers, fraudsters,murderers, drug dealers, peadophiles etc all get asylum from justice using political connections. the lal masjid mullah had his political friends make sure he could do what he wanted without the law acting against him. You get the politicans to back the law, to abide by the law, the rest of society will fall in place. Currently 3000 bullet proof vests destined for NWFP police are at Islamabad airport, waiting to be collected, politicans wont fill the right forms.
If you want to use the ISI to fight dirty wars, your wrong there too. We have had enough of fighting from the shadows. As long as we continue to do so, we cannot really be counted. Yes they have a purpose, yes they can be used, but we cannot make this the long term plan. We need to be courageous enough to defend our interests in the open and fight for them. We have the capability, we need to utlise it.
If you have any other ideas of why we need to expand the isi, then i'm all ears.
Nicely done bro, 'm not smart in english so can't express all the arguments i have.
QUOTE (platinum786 @ Mar 14 2010, 07:10 AM)
I'm a hindu loving quadiyani etc, add more where you think is relevant.
I voted no. I want to know why you think they need to be expanded.
To protect against terrorism? To help fight anti state elements backing terrorists? I think their current size is adequete for this. To fight terrorism, we need to go about using the police and the local population. Many of you who live in the cities know of new madarsas which have opened, new people in the neighbourhood etc, how many of you are aware of what goes on inside, who that person is etc? Everyone knew about what happened in the lal masjid nobody did anything to stop the hoarding of weapons in the middle of the capital, not before it became embarassing. in the end we ended up killing children in the fight that ensued. This is the job of the police, not the ISI.
The main thing hamstringing the police is the politicans. Behind every major crime in Pakistan is political support. Rapists, robbers, fraudsters,murderers, drug dealers, peadophiles etc all get asylum from justice using political connections. the lal masjid mullah had his political friends make sure he could do what he wanted without the law acting against him. You get the politicans to back the law, to abide by the law, the rest of society will fall in place. Currently 3000 bullet proof vests destined for NWFP police are at Islamabad airport, waiting to be collected, politicans wont fill the right forms.
If you want to use the ISI to fight dirty wars, your wrong there too. We have had enough of fighting from the shadows. As long as we continue to do so, we cannot really be counted. Yes they have a purpose, yes they can be used, but we cannot make this the long term plan. We need to be courageous enough to defend our interests in the open and fight for them. We have the capability, we need to utlise it.
If you have any other ideas of why we need to expand the isi, then i'm all ears.
I voted no. I want to know why you think they need to be expanded.
To protect against terrorism? To help fight anti state elements backing terrorists? I think their current size is adequete for this. To fight terrorism, we need to go about using the police and the local population. Many of you who live in the cities know of new madarsas which have opened, new people in the neighbourhood etc, how many of you are aware of what goes on inside, who that person is etc? Everyone knew about what happened in the lal masjid nobody did anything to stop the hoarding of weapons in the middle of the capital, not before it became embarassing. in the end we ended up killing children in the fight that ensued. This is the job of the police, not the ISI.
The main thing hamstringing the police is the politicans. Behind every major crime in Pakistan is political support. Rapists, robbers, fraudsters,murderers, drug dealers, peadophiles etc all get asylum from justice using political connections. the lal masjid mullah had his political friends make sure he could do what he wanted without the law acting against him. You get the politicans to back the law, to abide by the law, the rest of society will fall in place. Currently 3000 bullet proof vests destined for NWFP police are at Islamabad airport, waiting to be collected, politicans wont fill the right forms.
If you want to use the ISI to fight dirty wars, your wrong there too. We have had enough of fighting from the shadows. As long as we continue to do so, we cannot really be counted. Yes they have a purpose, yes they can be used, but we cannot make this the long term plan. We need to be courageous enough to defend our interests in the open and fight for them. We have the capability, we need to utlise it.
If you have any other ideas of why we need to expand the isi, then i'm all ears.
U hit the nail in the head ... excellent and convincing post !
But I say instead of ISI we must expand IB or other Intelligence agencies responsible for security of the lives of Pakistanis living in Pakistan
At least improve our POLICE System .. make educated youth of Punjab University , Karachi University as SHO , SSP or top level Police Commisioner !!
as Allama Iqbal said in his poetry "Zamaney k andaz badl gaey .........Jawanoo ko peroo ka Ustaaad kar !! "
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