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tamanna
now they r slowly coming onto their knees.and indian soon be begging us on their knees for forgiveness but we shoudlnt forgive them but to attack them ,dfeat them .capture whole the lands and make them our slave.Allah willing soon our mughal riyasat will return and we will be ruling these hindus again.

Afghan reality: India may talk to ISI, Taliban


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New Delhi: The top levels of the government are debating opening talks with Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and the Afghan Taliban to ensure India remains relevant in Afghanistan.

CNN-IBN learns the precarious security situation in Afghanistan--highlighted by the terrorist attacks targeting Indians in Kabul on February 26--is prompting a gradual but significant rethink in New Delhi.

Sources confirm that the government is debating opening up a channel of communication with the ISI and engaging sections of the Taliban--an idea India abhorred till now.

India is also considering paring down its presence at reconstruction projects in Afghanistan. Projects underway may be wrapped up quickly and there may be even a freeze on undertaking new projects.

These policy options were debated at a meeting of the National Security Council, which Prime Minister Manmohan Singh chaired on February 12.

India won't scale down Afghanistan operations
The government has been forced to think to rethink its Afghanistan policy because of cold, hard reality. Indian officials acknowledge that the political and military situation has deteriorated in Afghanistan.

President Hamid Karzai is politically weak and Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar and his men could return to power in Kabul. Security analysts perceive Western powers have lost their will to stay in Afghanistan, and there's a tremendous increase in Pakistan confidence.

The advice to engage with sections of the Taliban and start a limited and regulated dialogue with the ISI came from the Prime Minister's Office.

The advice is controversial but stems from India's need to ensure Afghanistan is not handed over on a platter to Pakistan. In line with that thinking, India is also considering helping prop up a friendly political alliance and intensively engage with Russia and Iran.

Not everyone is convinced about India’s new Afghanistan policy. “It’s not the same Afghanistan--there's no Ahmad Shah Masood. It’s not the same old Iran either. It’s also not the old Soviet Union. We now have Russia and the Central Asian States, so we need a new way. What that will be, we don't know,” says former diplomat K C Singh.

Indian officials say there may be a change of approach but India remains determined to stay relevant in Afghanistan.

Dizasta
Afghan-Taliban should slaughter all the indians in Afghanistan and Pakistan should do the same. Pakistan should show that it has a backbone and cut-off all ties with india. Kick-out all indians in Pakistan, including shutting down their embassies in Pakistan, closing down Pakistani Embassies in india and bring back our diplomatic officials from india. Its time to do what Pakistan should have done a long time ago, close the entire border with india, prohibit all air passage for india, cut-off all trade with india. Kick-out all indians from Afghanistan.

Once this is done, get together with China and fund Afghan-Taliban to massacre all the foreign forces present in Afghanistan. Give America, Britain & Co, a hellacious nightmare far worse than what happened in Vietnam. Drain the wealth of America, Britain & Co in the war in Afghanistan to the extent that it suprecedes America's wealth drain in Iraq. Iran can also join the party with Pakistan and China, watch American, British and other western country's soldiers slaughtered.

When they start feeling the stab wounds of wealth drain in the western world, they would be forced to withdraw from Afghanistan. It would be the right time to squeeze out Americans and the British from Pakistan as well.
rungroot
wtf1.gif what talk??? bhindia doesn't get any option to "talk", they only get 1 option, to get the hell out, PERIOD!
eagle8
hmmmm interesting development actually....i wana see wat will ISI's decision will be....if they accept indian dialogue then they will the biggest morons on this planet....india is trying its best to save itself in afghanistan....by even offering for talks but before that they always refused....Pakistani establishment will be the biggest jerks even if they have a meeting wif them....but then again its a Pakistani establishment we r talking about...who knows hehehe...oh and i can also assure u that india will get wat it wants and wen it gets it it will stop the talks again just like it did before....and let me tell u guys...u can neva have kashmir from india by talks....like cmon no country in this world will give its part of land just like that...even if its an occupied land...look at the jews did they ever gave bak golan heights bak to suria????? u guys have to fight to get it bak...but i dont know wat the ##### was musharaf thinking...i mean just think about it...which country in this world has gave away part of its land just like that....????? Pakistani military generals r sold out....its a fact
tank131
Dizasta, take it easy...Pakistan has turned an unwinnable situation into a winable one, not because it promoted the wholesale slaughter of people. Especially in war Muslims need to remember how the Prophet PBUH acted. With thought and insight, mercy and compassion. By encouraging the slaughter of western troops, all you will do is ###### them off and then instead of a few thousand you will have the full might of the US knocking on your doorstep. Pakistan has gotten this far by keeping the US in check but not antagonizing it. Overconfindence would ruin everything for Pakistan at this stage I can promise you. Pakistan played its card right, will have the US leaving everything in Pakistan's hands again (ie return to status quo as it was 10yrs ago) except now Pakistan's force will have an extra 50 F-16s (with original 32 brought up to modern age via MLU), 1000LGB, 500 AMRAAMs, 500 JDAMs, 48 Artillery pieces while maintaining and expanding its missile and nuclear arsenals. This was done by the grace of Allah and intelligence of the military commanders. And for the time being, no sanctions.

Pakistan should use the time to tidey up Afghanistan, wipe out the TTP and other terrorists, and focus its attention on expanding its economy (which also unfortunately has returned to 10yrs ago). Instead of pushing for more weapons from the US or nuclear technology, Pakistan should push for LNG/Clean Coal (sits on some of the largest NG and coal reserves in the world), Solar Cell tech, Wind Turbine tech. It should push for more economic oppurtunities in Europe and US and demand investment in Pakistan while it still has the west by the Balls. Develop the nation on the wests dime rather than talk of killing. Pakistan is providing the west with the opportunity to make a clean get away from Afghanistan, so it has the opportunity to milk it for every drop.
Asad
India can have only one role in Afghanistan and that is no role at all!

India has a history of having bad relationship with its neighbors but good relationship with their neighbor's neighbor. A very old Hindu strategy...
faizan khaliq
QUOTE (tank131 @ Mar 7 2010, 02:58 AM) *
Dizasta, take it easy...Pakistan has turned an unwinnable situation into a winable one, not because it promoted the wholesale slaughter of people. Especially in war Muslims need to remember how the Prophet PBUH acted. With thought and insight, mercy and compassion. By encouraging the slaughter of western troops, all you will do is ###### them off and then instead of a few thousand you will have the full might of the US knocking on your doorstep. Pakistan has gotten this far by keeping the US in check but not antagonizing it. Overconfindence would ruin everything for Pakistan at this stage I can promise you. Pakistan played its card right, will have the US leaving everything in Pakistan's hands again (ie return to status quo as it was 10yrs ago) except now Pakistan's force will have an extra 50 F-16s (with original 32 brought up to modern age via MLU), 1000LGB, 500 AMRAAMs, 500 JDAMs, 48 Artillery pieces while maintaining and expanding its missile and nuclear arsenals. This was done by the grace of Allah and intelligence of the military commanders. And for the time being, no sanctions.

Pakistan should use the time to tidey up Afghanistan, wipe out the TTP and other terrorists, and focus its attention on expanding its economy (which also unfortunately has returned to 10yrs ago). Instead of pushing for more weapons from the US or nuclear technology, Pakistan should push for LNG/Clean Coal (sits on some of the largest NG and coal reserves in the world), Solar Cell tech, Wind Turbine tech. It should push for more economic oppurtunities in Europe and US and demand investment in Pakistan while it still has the west by the Balls. Develop the nation on the wests dime rather than talk of killing. Pakistan is providing the west with the opportunity to make a clean get away from Afghanistan, so it has the opportunity to milk it for every drop.

I am sorry I disagree Yanks can bring in all their troops and still they will lose in Afghanistan because all the factor determining the result of asymmetrical conflict are against invaders, longer they stay more would it be difficult for them to recover particularly USA.
Pakistan made the situation winnable only after Kiyani decided to stand up and take the confrontation with USA if it is necessary
Yanks are the root cause of India doing badmashi and now when they see yanks leaving they are begging us. we knew it from the day one that yanks will lose and Bhindiya will negotiate but only thing they need to negotiate is kashmir and Nothing else
HKK
QUOTE (rungroot @ Mar 6 2010, 09:48 PM) *
wtf1.gif what talk??? bhindia doesn't get any option to "talk", they only get 1 option, to get the hell out, PERIOD!


even thats not an option. there should be a massive culling of indians and all anti-Pakistan elements inside Afghanistan. For long our nation have suffered at the hands of these terrorists. Something along the lines to what happened to brits during 18th century when only one man was left alive just to tell the story.
tank131
I'm not talking about the US winning Afghanistan, that was decided a long time ago. But if Pakistan is openly involved in killing of US troop and the like, it would be disastrous for Pakistan which would then be on the receiving end of a few hundred Tomahawks and Airstrikes from USAF/USN. If people here think that Pakistan will stand up to that think again. It wouldnt be war but sheer vengeance. But my ultimate point was not even this...its about the mentality that Pakistanis need to have. The US first and foremost is responsible for her own interests...NOT Paksitans. It is Pakistan and her people that are responsible for her interests and it is on them to find the way to achieve them. For Pakistan the best way forward is to continue the line of thinking that it has had...i.e. every nation has its use. Pakistan is going to use everyone like everyone uses Pakistan. For that to occur Pakistan needs to maintain civil relations with all other nations.

As for India, they dont have a role in Afghanistan and that should be made resoundingly clear.
reichmarshal

The recent arrest of afghan taliban in Pakistan were exactly to counter act that and ie no one talks to the taliban!.......the taliban leaders caught were in talks with different countries ie us, eng and maybe could have thought of talking with bindia.

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Tiberia
Its not that easy to remain and use the afghan land for ur own interests.
Only ISI has mastered that skill.
And uncle Sam has to learn some thing from that also.... PakistanFlag.gif
visioninthedark
QUOTE (tank131 @ Mar 7 2010, 09:58 AM) *
Dizasta, take it easy...Pakistan has turned an unwinnable situation into a winable one, not because it promoted the wholesale slaughter of people. Especially in war Muslims need to remember how the Prophet PBUH acted. With thought and insight, mercy and compassion. By encouraging the slaughter of western troops, all you will do is ###### them off and then instead of a few thousand you will have the full might of the US knocking on your doorstep. Pakistan has gotten this far by keeping the US in check but not antagonizing it. Overconfindence would ruin everything for Pakistan at this stage I can promise you. Pakistan played its card right, will have the US leaving everything in Pakistan's hands again (ie return to status quo as it was 10yrs ago) except now Pakistan's force will have an extra 50 F-16s (with original 32 brought up to modern age via MLU), 1000LGB, 500 AMRAAMs, 500 JDAMs, 48 Artillery pieces while maintaining and expanding its missile and nuclear arsenals. This was done by the grace of Allah and intelligence of the military commanders. And for the time being, no sanctions.

Pakistan should use the time to tidey up Afghanistan, wipe out the TTP and other terrorists, and focus its attention on expanding its economy (which also unfortunately has returned to 10yrs ago). Instead of pushing for more weapons from the US or nuclear technology, Pakistan should push for LNG/Clean Coal (sits on some of the largest NG and coal reserves in the world), Solar Cell tech, Wind Turbine tech. It should push for more economic oppurtunities in Europe and US and demand investment in Pakistan while it still has the west by the Balls. Develop the nation on the wests dime rather than talk of killing. Pakistan is providing the west with the opportunity to make a clean get away from Afghanistan, so it has the opportunity to milk it for every drop.


very well said. everyone underestimated Pakistan and our agencies. as you say patient clear thinking has possibily begun to turn the situation in our favour. still a long long way to go. no time to be overconfident now.
taaz
I will remain doubt full about Pakistan’s capability to encounter other countries strategically thinking and approach as long as we have corrupt politicians that can be bought with money to surrender our agenda.
Captain Bribes
Best thing Pakistan can do is offer cash bounty on Hindus and Sikhs in Afghanistan.

Afghans would be lining up to kill them.
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Javed Rana
QUOTE (Captain Bribes @ Mar 8 2010, 05:19 AM) *
Best thing Pakistan can do is offer cash bounty on Hindus and Sikhs in Afghanistan.

Afghans would be lining up to kill them.
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Okie, if you say so, Major Nuts!
mr_homy
QUOTE (tamanna @ Mar 6 2010, 11:14 AM) *
now they r slowly coming onto their knees.and indian soon be begging us on their knees for forgiveness but we shoudlnt forgive them but to attack them ,dfeat them .capture whole the lands and make them our slave.Allah willing soon our mughal riyasat will return and we will be ruling these hindus again.

Afghan reality: India may talk to ISI, Taliban



DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!!!

Let the Taliban have their "picnic".

Of course, the current regime of Pakistan with that "whore" sitting in his brothel in England would think and do otherwise.
saleemraja

wtf are you on about?:

"Of course, the current regime of Pakistan with that "whore" sitting in his brothel in England would think and do otherwise."


QUOTE (mr_homy @ Mar 8 2010, 07:52 AM) *
DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!!!

Let the Taliban have their "picnic".

tank131
I think he means Altaf Hussain...
saleemraja
Oh ok, seems like mr_homy is suffering from bipolar disorder or Pschizophrenia.






QUOTE (tank131 @ Mar 8 2010, 05:30 PM) *
I think he means Altaf Hussain...

Bilal
QUOTE (rungroot @ Mar 6 2010, 04:48 PM) *
wtf1.gif what talk??? bhindia doesn't get any option to "talk", they only get 1 option, to get the hell out, PERIOD!



Thats exactly what I was thinking, talk about what?
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