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polright
Recently, a White Paper on the Sino-Japanese common history Research (periodic reports) was published. Written by both Chinese and Japanese experts, this report admitted the Nanking Massacre and determined the nature of Sino-Japanese War as an aggressive war.

The historical problem has always been a barrior blocking the two countires from developing friendly relationship.
But recently it seems that the problem might be solved. Rumors that Japanese Prime Minister Hatoyama will visit Nanking, China, and the white paper this time all showed a detente in the bilateral relationship.

Do you think the historical problem will be solved one day? In what way do you think Chinese people will forvige Japanese?
http://forum.globaltimes.cn/forum/showthread.php?t=12770
rungroot
QUOTE (polright @ Feb 9 2010, 02:12 AM) *
Recently, a White Paper on the Sino-Japanese common history Research (periodic reports) was published. Written by both Chinese and Japanese experts, this report admitted the Nanking Massacre and determined the nature of Sino-Japanese War as an aggressive war.

The historical problem has always been a barrior blocking the two countires from developing friendly relationship.
But recently it seems that the problem might be solved. Rumors that Japanese Prime Minister Hatoyama will visit Nanking, China, and the white paper this time all showed a detente in the bilateral relationship.

Do you think the historical problem will be solved one day? In what way do you think Chinese people will forvige Japanese?
http://forum.globaltimes.cn/forum/showthread.php?t=12770



The answer is simple. China can't and japan knows it (know wonder they sh!t a brick every time China even looks at them). China just needs an excuse to turn japan into a burned toast. They deserve it too. What the japanese did in Nanking dwarfs what hitler did.
Martian
QUOTE (polright @ Feb 9 2010, 03:12 AM) *
Recently, a White Paper on the Sino-Japanese common history Research (periodic reports) was published. Written by both Chinese and Japanese experts, this report admitted the Nanking Massacre and determined the nature of Sino-Japanese War as an aggressive war.

The historical problem has always been a barrior blocking the two countires from developing friendly relationship.
But recently it seems that the problem might be solved. Rumors that Japanese Prime Minister Hatoyama will visit Nanking, China, and the white paper this time all showed a detente in the bilateral relationship.

Do you think the historical problem will be solved one day? In what way do you think Chinese people will forvige Japanese?
http://forum.globaltimes.cn/forum/showthread.php?t=12770


1) Full restitution by the Japanese government to the Chinese victims of Japanese aggression and crimes during World War II.

2) If the Chinese victims have died, the Japanese government must pay the families of those victims.

3) These restitution payments should have been made in 1945 when Japan lost their war of aggression against China. I expect the Japanese government to pay market-rate interest from 1945 to the present-day to the Chinese victims (or families of dead victims).

4) I expect the Japanese government to write a letter of apology to each Chinese victim (or families of dead victims).

5) I expect a written and televised unconditional apology by the government of Japan, its Prime Minister, and the titular head of the Japanese royal family to the Chinese victims and the Chinese nation.

I believe that these are fair and reasonable minimum conditions. Reasonable Chinese may demand that Japan build a large and permanent memorial in Tokyo to remind the Japanese not to wage another inhumane war of aggression against China and other Asian neighbors.

As soon as these conditions have been met, I will personally deliver my handwritten letter to the Japanese embassy in Boston to acknowledge my forgiveness of Japanese atrocities against Chinese victims during World War II.

The Germans have expressed remorse and paid full compensation to the Jews. Can the Japanese rise to the occasion and express sincere regret like the Germans?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_to_t..._Jews_of_Europe

"Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe

The Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe (German: Denkmal für die ermordeten Juden Europas), also known as the Holocaust Memorial (German: Holocaust-Mahnmal), is a memorial in Berlin to the Jewish victims and other victims of the Holocaust, designed by architect Peter Eisenman and engineer Buro Happold. It consists of a 19,000 square meter (4.7 acre) site covered with 2,711 concrete slabs or "stelae", arranged in a grid pattern on a sloping field. It also includes statues of non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust at its corners. The stelae are 2.38m (7.8') long, 0.95m (3' 1.5") wide and vary in height from 0.2 m to 4.8m (8" to 15'9"). According to Eisenman's project text, the stelae are designed to produce an uneasy, confusing atmosphere, and the whole sculpture aims to represent a supposedly ordered system that has lost touch with human reason. A 2005 copy of the Foundation for the Memorial's official English tourist pamphlet, however, states that the design represents a radical approach to the traditional concept of a memorial, partly because Eisenman did not use any symbolism. An attached underground "Place of Information" (German: Ort der Information) holds the names of all known Jewish Holocaust victims, obtained from the Israeli museum Yad Vashem.

Building began on April 1, 2003 and was finished on December 15, 2004. It was inaugurated on May 10, 2005, sixty years after the end of World War II, and opened to the public on May 12 of the same year. It is located one block south of the Brandenburg Gate, in the Friedrichstadt neighborhood. The cost of construction was approximately €25 million."
aziqbal
Martian China didnt accept any of Japans payments when China was a poor nation, whhy would they accept them now

Imperial Japan was a terrible memory for everyone involved, Americans faced the Japs all over Asia and in the brutal Pacific wars, Japanese were brainwashed so such a extent that they would commit suicide rather than being caught alive, Americans were horrified at Japs behaviour, Imperial Japan is a different story all together

China suffered alot but so did everyone else, if Japan can forgive 2 atomic bombs why cant China move on, Koreans also suffered at hands of Japanese

Japan is not Germany who sends apologys to everyone, Japanese is different, even Americans didnt get surrender from Emporer Hiro Hito himself, he was exiled and spared by the Americans and the whole thing was forgotten

German and Japanese are two different people two different storys, German is still paying for Israeli submarine 70 years after the war and yet Japan denies WWII crimes, thats life
Martian
QUOTE (aziqbal @ Feb 9 2010, 02:47 PM) *
Martian China didnt accept any of Japans payments when China was a poor nation, whhy would they accept them now

Imperial Japan was a terrible memory for everyone involved, Americans faced the Japs all over Asia and in the brutal Pacific wars, Japanese were brainwashed so such a extent that they would commit suicide rather than being caught alive, Americans were horrified at Japs behaviour, Imperial Japan is a different story all together

China suffered alot but so did everyone else, if Japan can forgive 2 atomic bombs why cant China move on, Koreans also suffered at hands of Japanese

Japan is not Germany who sends apologys to everyone, Japanese is different, even Americans didnt get surrender from Emporer Hiro Hito himself, he was exiled and spared by the Americans and the whole thing was forgotten

German and Japanese are two different people two different storys, German is still paying for Israeli submarine 70 years after the war and yet Japan denies WWII crimes, thats life


You may be correct. Damn Japanese. More stubborn than a mule.
fairy tale
[报价名称='polright'日期= 2010年2月9日,下午4时12'后= '1214422']
最近,就白皮书中日共同历史研究(定期报告)出版。通过中日两国的专家撰写,该报告承认南京大屠杀,并确定了性质中日作为具有侵略性的战争。

历史问题一直是barrior阻止两国发展友好关系的两个countires。
但最近似乎问题可能得到解决。传闻说,日本首相鸠山将访问南京,中国,和这次的白皮书显示,在所有双边关系缓和。

你认为历史遗留问题将有解决的一天?以何种方式,您认为中国人民将forvige日本人吗?
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China and Japan, a misunderstanding between the two peoples have been too deep, and just Yukio Hatoyama, a person can not change the status quo will take time to change all this
fireworks
Japan won't apologize for self-esteem reasons, but once China becomes strong, Japan would have no problem bending over. Not so much because China would force it, but rather Japanese would find it easier to justify to themselves to admit wrong to someone stronger.

Then we will move on.
Machao
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Japan won't apologize for self-esteem reasons, but once China becomes strong, Japan would have no problem bending over. Not so much because China would force it, but rather Japanese would find it easier to justify to themselves to admit wrong to someone stronger.

Then we will move on.


Totally agree with you, there is no need to twist Japanese's arms to force them to apologize...it's a wasting time. Japanese won't have any respect for weak: when China was strong as tang dynasty, Japaneses came to embrace our culture and learn everything from us, but when China was weak, not only they look down Chinese people but at the same time toke opportunity to invade China, any Chinese should remember where the name sick man of Asia came from. Ironically when Japan got nuked, not only Japaneses didn't scream for revenge, they embrace western culture and litch U.S boots up until now, they didn't even bother to ask for apology from US, it's so natural.
Martian
QUOTE (polright @ Feb 9 2010, 03:12 AM) *
Recently, a White Paper on the Sino-Japanese common history Research (periodic reports) was published. Written by both Chinese and Japanese experts, this report admitted the Nanking Massacre and determined the nature of Sino-Japanese War as an aggressive war.

The historical problem has always been a barrior blocking the two countires from developing friendly relationship.
But recently it seems that the problem might be solved. Rumors that Japanese Prime Minister Hatoyama will visit Nanking, China, and the white paper this time all showed a detente in the bilateral relationship.

Do you think the historical problem will be solved one day? In what way do you think Chinese people will forvige Japanese?
http://forum.globaltimes.cn/forum/showthread.php?t=12770


Japanese have to decide whether they, as a people, have the integrity and courage to apologize to the Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese, Filipino, Thai, Burmese, Laotian, Cambodian, Malaysian, Singaporean, Indonesian, Western, and POW victims of their inhuman crimes.

Mr. Alistair Urquhart is a former British POW of the Japanese. He is "also an angry man, and my business with Japan is unfinished." Let's hear the story directly from Mr. Urquhart. The newslink contains many videos.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsi...000/8534377.stm

"Page last updated at 08:12 GMT, Thursday, 25 February 2010

The man who refused to die

By Allan Little
Today programme

They came to think of themselves as the forgotten army - the men who endured years of suffering in Japanese Prisoner of War Camps during World War II.

Yet many of the survivors, when they came back, never spoke of what they had seen and suffered. Now, one survivor of the camps has broken his 65-year silence.

Alistair Urquhart, then a 22-year-old Gordon Highlander from Aberdeen, became a prisoner of war without firing a shot.

This is a story of almost unimaginable suffering. The POWs were transported deep into Thailand on rice trucks that were more like steel coffins.

Alistair Urquhart describes the horrific journey into Thailand

He, with hundreds of others, was marched through the jungle to a prison camp. Many died from dehydration and exhaustion on the long march.

They were then put to work on the building of a railway. It involved cutting a path through a sheer stone cliff face the men came to call Hellfire Pass.

Inside 'the black hole'

The men survived on a few handfuls of rice a day. Many succumbed to disease - cholera, beriberi, tropical ulcers. Their weight fell to five or six stone. Beatings were routine.

In the 1957 film Bridge on the River Kwei the men whistle Colonel Bogie and the officers valiantly defy their Japanese guards.

Alistair Urquhart says it was not so. The film sanitises the depths to which the men sank on the building of the infamous railway bridge.

For years he went barefoot and naked except for a simple loin cloth. After another death march through the jungle, Alastair Urquhart was taken back to Singapore and, with 400 other men, loaded into the hold of a cargo ship.

There was standing room only. It was airless, fetid, the heat baking. Many died here too.

Surviving the cargo hold

The ship did sink, torpedoed at sea by an US submarine.

'I went up like a champagne cork'

He spent five days and night alone on a barge. By the time he was picked up by a Japanese whaling ship, he was dehydrated, hallucinating and close to death.

He ended up in a camp in mainland Japan. He was there when the war ended. But his prison camp was a few miles from the city of Nagasaki.

The blast of hot air from the bomb that fell on August 9th knocked him off his feet. Within days he was on his way home.

He arrived in Aberdeen in November. For years he'd dreamt of being re-united with his family. When, finally, he was, they scarcely recognised each other.

Those who returned came home to a country that did not understand what they had endured, and which, for the most part, did not want to know.

Like many of his generation, Alistair Urquhart didn't speak about his experience for 60 years. His wife died after 46 years of marriage without knowing any of it.

I am breaking my silence now, he writes in his book, to bear witness. I am a lucky man, but I am also an angry man, and my business with Japan is unfinished.

Germany has atoned. Young Germans know of their nation's dreadful crimes. But young Japanese are taught nothing of their nation's guilt.


Alistair Urquhart's book, The Forgotten Highlander: One Man's Incredible Story Of Survival During The War In The Far East, is published by Little, Brown."
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