Today's China is not the China of the 1950s and 1970s (i.e. Korean and Vietnam Wars). China is immensely more powerful.

The technological gap between the U.S. and China has closed dramatically. Modern Chinese Type 99 main battle tanks, Type 052C Aegis-class destroyers, Type 093 Shang-class and Type 094 Jin-class nuclear submarines, KJ-2000 AESA-equipped AWACS, ASAT technology, anti-ship ballistic missiles (i.e. ASBMs), and midcourse Ground-based Interceptors (i.e. GBIs) are testament to the converging military technological-strengths of the two countries. Every year, China gets closer to the U.S.

The U.S. has little interest in fighting proxy wars against 2010-China. Instead, the U.S. hopes to play on Indian jealousy of China and convince the Indians to confront China. If you will, think of India as a giant-sized Georgia. I have encountered enthusiastic Indians that want to wage war against China. They believe that they're protected by the U.S. alliance. Unfortunately, as we saw with Georgia, the U.S. is not prepared to confront either Russia or China. In the end, pawns like India will be sacrificed Georgian-style to a roused and angry China.

They have no reply when I ask the militant Indians: What are you going to do about the Chinese missile bases in Tibet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJF3wa12Os

http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2008/05/extens...ntral-china.php

"Extensive Nuclear Missile Deployment Area Discovered in Central China

More than 50 launch pads for nuclear ballistic missiles have been identified scattered across a 2,000 square kilometer (772 square miles) area of central China, according to analysis of satellite images.

By Hans M. Kristensen

Analysis of new commercial satellite photos has identified an extensive deployment area with nearly 60 launch pads for medium-range nuclear ballistic missiles in Central China near Delingha and Da Qaidam.

The region has long been rumored to house nuclear missiles and I have previously described some of the facilities in a report and a blog. But the new analysis reveals a significantly larger deployment area than previously known, different types of launch pads, command and control facilities, and missile deployment equipment at a large facility in downtown Delingha.

The U.S. government often highlights China’s deployment of new mobile missiles as a concern but keeps the details secret, so the discovery of the deployment area provides the first opportunity for the public to better understand how China operates its mobile ballistic missiles."

http://rupeenews.com/2009/09/07/beijings-m...china-tensions/

"Beijing’s Missile in Tibet, & Hainan Naval base scare Delhi: Dramatic rise in India-China tensions

Posted on September 7, 2009 by Moin Ansari

The Chinese Red dragon’s reach has scared the pants off the Indian elephant. Many have predicted a war between India and China within the next few years. Some called that prediction alarmist. First there were repeated statements from Delhi that China was their biggest enemy and threat. Then news stories that China has built a huge infrastructure on the undefined and undemarcated Mcmohan line (the de factor border between India and China). Now the escalating tensions are sounding alarm bells around the world. The Federation of American Scientist has just published pictures of Chinese missiles which can target all of India. The incompetent intelligence agencies of India didn’t have a clue about the missiles. Any high school drop out could have paid a commercial satellite a nickel and gotten the pictures of the satellites. The fact that the FAS pictures has so unnerved Delhi that it has decided to form to new intelligence agencies is a subject of much discussion around the world..."

What is wrong with you ? The people of China just want to earn a living and live in peace ffs. China still needs to fully complete industrialisation. You, sir, are a moron.

While India and China have certain border issues (Aksai Chin & Tawang), its nothing worth going to war over. Leaderships in both countries recognize that fact, even if the media doesn't.

Time of competing nation-states going to war over land, resources or influence is past, though few exceptions still exist. In a globalized system, resorting to war is almost always bad economics.

War in Asia will just fatten up the Americans anyway, it will be a good opportunity for them to pull themselves out of the recession. Why need to help them ? And when China is weakened, the slimy USA will just put up the middle finger and clear all the debts to China.

I agree with you. It has been 48 years since 1962. While disagreements exist, China doesn't seem interested in a war with India. China has had the upper hand for decades. If China was serious about a war, it would have happened a long time ago. However, the same cannot be said of the Indian side.

Indian General Deepak Kapoor has made it clear that "India [is preparing] for war against China and Pakistan." There is a chance that overconfident India will start a war against China. Perhaps someone should ask General Kapoor if he has a solution to the Chinese road-mobile thermonuclear missiles in Tibet.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/01-02-.../111970-india-0

"India Prepares To Wage War against China and Pakistan
Front page / World / Asia
01.02.2010 Source: Pravda.Ru

India prepares for war against China and Pakistan, the nation’s army chief, General Deepak Kapoor said. India will try to create a counterbalance to both Pakistan and China, the top official added. The two directions – the south-western and the north-eastern – will be considered equally important for India.
...
India ’s threats to China became a surprise for many, especially against the background of defense cooperation between these two countries."

It wasn't a threat by any means. If you read his exact statement, he's mentions clearly 'if attacked by Pakistan and China' in his statement on the doctrine. There's nothing wrong in defensive planning against China. Every military in the world carries out war simulations and draws up battle plans.

But in both India and China, the decision to go to war comes from the political leadership (premier and state council in China, and PM's cabinet in India). The generals' opinions are taken into consideration but the final word isn't theirs.

Getting on-board with US or not, there will be consequences for India either way.
So when pressured by the US, Indian policy is to keep talking while avoid doing anything.
China understands the situation, and has chosen not to respond to "talks".

China is an isolationist country. She looks a lot like pre-World War II America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...interventionism

"Isolationism Between the Two World Wars

In the wake of the First World War, the isolationist tendencies of US foreign policy were in full force."

Anyway, China has been improving her military technology to deter the United States. For military buffs, here's a video that shows some of China's new military equipment, as mentioned in the quote at the top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuW7JzF1dSs

Arunachal Pradesh is a Chinese terriotory and occupied by India.

I didn't know about the qualifier, "if attacked by Pakistan and China." That changes everything.

Also, I assumed that Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor was speaking on behalf of the Indian defense establishment and the political leadership. As you have suggested, if there is a disconnect between the views of the political leaders and Army Chief General Kapoor then I better find something else interesting to write about (i.e. Spratly Islands).

Personally I don’t believe that India is a Threat to China, it should be the last to be on Chinese enemy, historic record has proven that Indians are peaceful people, of course every country has it own ambition to be a great nation include super power that doesn’t mean that India will be a warmonger country. Any war between China-India or Pakistan-India won’t make any winner, the real winners are the weapons supplier (U.S, Russia, Europe), what will left after the war will be a ruined cities and destruction scens without saying more hatreds will engrave even more in people’s heart for both side.

For long term perspective, Pakistan, India and China to be at peace, these tree countries should work to prevent any destabilizing evens or provocative pissing contest, and the most important is to deny western countries to use one against another. We’re already belong to 3th world...people already has a hard time to make their living do we really need to downgrade our self to be at the 4th world?...LOL

Peace and development is the theme of the world,war is no benefit for any side of attendees.America want to see war,because they can sell more weapon and get more money for his own development.while China and India will get terrible destruct and never have the compete power with America.

Of course that will be the Ideal, let all potential compeitors to fight among themself and sit on the throne to be the sole super-power without fire a single bullet. that's why in China diplomacy, it tries to miminize the chance to let U.S to exploite any difference between China and other countries, a bad news for China is good new for US.

but see, you guys are missing a core factor, and that is, indians' baseless delusions of grandeur. all it needs is one single 'bollywood' flick showing chinai/india at war, india coming out victorious, saving the world etc etc.. and the next day you will see the bhindian politicians calling up the generals for any potential plans.. which would also include any plans the bollywood movie producers came up with.

the issue is that time for india is running out. the insurgents in the north-east are active more than ever and gaining ground. lets say for arguments sake that a rebel army pushes out the bhindian govt., establishes a state and declares independence and asks china for support, where do you think situation would stand vis-a-vi china and india??

Good point. Some simple-minded Indians seem susceptible to Bollywood brainwashing. Jesus, don't they have the faintest idea what a real Chinese battalion can do? It won't be anything like a silly Bollywood movie.

If a friendly Indian government asked for support, I think China's policy would mostly remain the same. There are relatively few Chinese troops on the Indian border. It has been the Indian media, politicians, and generals that have been making war-like noises at China. China is already working with India to make sure that developing nations won't be unfairly harmed by carbon emission restrictions.

The real benefit of a friendly Indian government is that they might be intelligent enough to spend more money on Indian infrastructure, education, and health; instead of giving billions to foreign arms manufacturers.

with due respect to you china and India are no fools , today China is Indians second largest trading partner and there total trade between values more than $50 billion , and both the countries are developing really fast unlike us who is fighting some one else war and there is no foreign investment in our country .

they are wise people they very well understand if war happens both of them are going loose .
hopefully our politicians and army are smart like them ..

Neither the govt. nor the military in India pays any attention to Bollywood.



The insurgency in the north-east has suffered a series of reverses continually over the last half decade. India's position has never been as comfortable as it is now. Most main militant groups have been hit badly in punitive actions on their bases carried out by Bangladesh, Bhutan and Myanmar's security forces.

And BTW in the impossible situation that a rebel govt. is established, neither China will not recognize or support it. Its not worth it, with bilateral trade set to cross $100 billion in a few years time.

From a Pakistani perspective, a war between India and China would be an excellent turn of events, but there's no point in it for China or India, which is why its not going to happen. Even an Indo-Pak war for that matter is unlikely, though still possible.

bro don't worry about any ''foreign'' investment.. one must study the islamic economic system and finances, the very roots are built in such ways that in case everybody boycotts and stops trading with you, in such a scenario there would be no foreign investment, you would still not suffer.. but the problem is that no body in Pakistan is following islamic principles in the matters of the lives and wealth of the people..

take public transportation for example, there is absolutely no regard for the well being of the average person.

anyways, back to the topic.

you guys still don't get it. im talking about the bhindian psyche and psychology.. its not something you can expect rational thinking from.. they worship rats and drink cow urine for gods sake..

do not be fooled by the maghribi nizame daulat.

With the Indians banging their war drums, sometimes I wonder whether India would be foolish enough to start a war with China. Without Indian provocation, I can't see China starting a war with India. China has a much tougher opponent to worry about.

I agree that an India-China war would be lose-lose for both countries. The Americans would be laughing hysterically with glee.

Brother again with due respect to you , when we say Indians are kafir and non believers what are we doing in Pakistan
is not all the darghas are anti Islamic , people in Pakistan still go to darghas , do not we use Rat men in punjab to bless ?
its easy to find fault with our enemy but we have thousands of faults laying with us there is no point finding fault with bhindias ... we are proud islamic county but see most un islamic things happen only in Pakistan we close our eyes when pass through hira mandi is not it ?
our leaders are most corrupt , in the name of islam our leaders stolen billions of $$$ from a Islamic country ...

I believe the Indians are not stupid either; they are utilizing the benefits given by USA to develop their economy and military strength. Petty that Pakistani leaders have not been skilled enough to use our help to USA more strategically.

Indian will be loser if and when the war is initiated but until that they are the biggest winners, as I see it.

All the Indian tough talk against China is targeted at the domestic and and Western audience, to make Indians feel good and the Westerners more supportive of India. The Indian government don't dare to really aggravate China because India is no match for China.

Now, I feel stupid. As you say, the Indian "tough talk" does make sense in light of "the domestic and Western audience." It is merely political posturing. If India's Naval Chief Mehtha knows that "India is no match for China" then it should be obvious that the Indian government is also aware of its own limitations in comparison to China's military.


http://newsblaze.com/story/20090814053016j...b/topstory.html

"Published: August 14, 2009
Op-Ed Contributor

China Trying to Destablize India

By A.M. Jamsheed Basha

India-China Comparison on Military Strength "foolhardy" Says Naval Chief.

"If you wish to be secure on land, you should have supremacy on the sea", said Jawaharlal Nehru, the architect of modern India. It was China who was listening to Nehru, rather than India and they built a Navy far superior to any other power in the Indian ocean. Incidentally, during his last days in 1962, China handed him a humiliating defeat in a war between unequals in NEFA and Tibet. At that time, India was no match for the mighty Chinese army. This was no secret.

Today, India's Naval Chief Mehtha, sounded a real warning. He said it is foolhardy to say India is equal to China militarily. India is no match for China whether it is airforce, navy or army. China is four times bigger than India. The Navy Chief said India's weakest link is the Indian navy. He said India is surrounded by China. It has six bases in the Indian Ocean, one in Chittagong, one in Yangon, Coco Island in Burma, Trincomalee in Srilanka and one in Waga in Pakistan, to India's none.

Navy Chief Mehtha, who is leaving office in two weeks, spoke his mind about India's chances of fighting a war with China. Chinese presence in the Indian Ocean is a reality with six bases to support them. The recent visit of Chinese naval ships to Cochin port, was a clear indication that they are everywhere in the Indian ocean. The Indian navy on the other hand was hardly seen in Chinese waters in the recent past.

Comparisons between India and China would reveal that India is nowhere near China's strength. China has 68 submarines to India's 16, none of them being nuclear. China has 56 airforce squadrons to India's 12. China has 4 million troops to India's 1.5 million troops. China has 14000 Artillery guns to India's 4000. These are only some examples to show that India is no match for China.

China is jealous of India's economic growth and a real challenge to its supremacy in Asia. It is in China's interest that it is planning to destabilise India. The recent article of Dragon's plan to split India in 26 created a furore in political circles. Whether it was real or imaginary, the writing is clearly on the wall, that China is harbouring extra-territorial ambitions.

China wants to establish its supremacy in the Indian ocean. With the waters unapproachable to US, UK and France, with no presence of their naval battleships, nor Russia. China rules supreme in the region. India is virtually surrounded by China. The prophecy coming from none other than India's Naval Chief, is that one day, China will crush India militarily, if no action is taken to build up in the Indian ocean."

http://www.stratpost.com/india-china-milit...0%99-navy-chief

"India-China military gap ‘too wide to bridge’: Navy chief

Monday, August 10, 2009
By Saurabh Joshi

The Indian Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta today warned that contending with a rising China, especially in the light of the outstanding issues between India and China would be one of the ‘primary challenges’ before India. While he dismissed the idea of matching China militarily, ‘force for force’, saying the gap was ‘too wide to bridge’, he called for ‘harnessing modern technology for developing high situational awareness and creating a reliable stand-off deterrent’ keeping in mind China’s space weapons and cyber warfare capability. At the same time he called for engagement as ‘cooperation with China was preferable to competition or conflict’. He said this while addressing the National Maritime Foundation on National Security Challenges.
...
Speaking plainly the Admiral pointed out, “The gap between the two is just too wide to bridge (and getting wider by the day). In military terms, both conventional and non-conventional, we neither have the capability nor the intention to match China force for force. These are indeed sobering thoughts and therefore our strategy to deal with China would need to be in consonance with these realities.”"

Let's change tack and highlight where China and India are cooperating.

Did you know that China is building 25% of new power plants in India?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...iness_whatsNews

"* FEBRUARY 10, 2010

India Rethinks Reliance on China in Power Sector

By AMOL SHARMA

MUNDRA, India—India is trying to rein in its heavy reliance on Chinese equipment and know-how for the ambitious expansion of its power sector. The shift casts a shadow over what has been a healthy partnership in an often tense relationship between the giant neighbors.

India wants to boost electricity output by 60% in the five-year span ending March 2012 to alleviate severe shortages and help fuel a rapidly growing economy. But it doesn't have enough of its own equipment and engineers to meet that goal, so power companies have looked overseas for help. U.S. and European suppliers are too expensive, but low-cost Chinese contractors are a good fit.

Chinese companies are now supplying equipment for about 25% of the new power capacity India is adding to its grid, up from almost nothing a few years ago. They have sent thousands of skilled workers to Indian plant sites, some of which boast Chinese chefs, Chinese television and ping pong."

Indians are buying coal power plants from China, the world leader in building the most efficient (i.e. 44% efficiency) coal power plants.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/asia/11coal.html

"China Outpaces U.S. in Cleaner Coal-Fired Plants

By KEITH BRADSHER
Published: May 10, 2009

TIANJIN, China — China’s frenetic construction of coal-fired power plants has raised worries around the world about the effect on climate change. China now uses more coal than the United States, Europe and Japan combined, making it the world’s largest emitter of gases that are warming the planet.

But largely missing in the hand-wringing is this: China has emerged in the past two years as the world’s leading builder of more efficient, less polluting coal power plants, mastering the technology and driving down the cost.

While the United States is still debating whether to build a more efficient kind of coal-fired power plant that uses extremely hot steam, China has begun building such plants at a rate of one a month.
...
[China's] most efficient plants achieve an efficiency as high as 44 percent, meaning they can cut global warming emissions by more than a third compared with the weakest plants.

In the United States, the most efficient plants achieve around 40 percent efficiency, because they do not use the highest steam temperatures being adopted in China."

Martian, I think you need to change the title to "Let's convince Indians to cooperate China" instead LOL, I believe China is more interested for business trade and cooperation that confrontration with India as per your last two posts.

There is almost no mention of frequent Indian verbal provocation in the official Chinese press. However, Chinese public sentiment is gradually turning against India because internet postings have drawn people's attention to the constant anti-china remarks by Indian politicians, generals, and conmentators. Indian chest-thumping is for domestic comsuption and to curry favor from the West, particularly froom the US. Were China to stoop to the same level as the Indians, that woul play right into the hand of the West which has always resented the rise of an independent and strong China. As a matter of fact, China has warned India as much. It is up to India what it decides to do in its own interest. China is certainly not in any way afraid of India. If India remains eager to somebody else's dirty work, it will eventually regret it.

There are those who claim that the 21st century belongs to India. Unfortunately for them, India is too far behind in patent applications. India will have to wait for the 22nd century.

The "patent applications gap" between China and India keeps growing wider. It is the difference between a giant and a smurf. "China filed 7,946 patent applications last year." "India put in a poor show and managed to file only 761 patent applications last year...."

http://business.rediff.com/slide-show/2010....htm#contentTop

"Patents: China 5th, India nowhere in top 10

Last updated on: February 10, 2010 15:48 IST

China is growing stronger in the field of scientific research, while India lags far behind, according to a new data issued by the Geneva-based World Intellectual Property Organization, a United Nation agency that promotes the protection of intellectual property.

The data for 2009 reveal that Indian firms and scientists filed one-tenth of the patent applications filed by their Chinese counterparts during the same period. China ranked fifth in the list of the top 10 patent filing countries.

To know more about which other countries made it to the top 10, read on.

China: Rank 5

China filed 7,946 patent applications last year.

China's efforts are sharply focused on 16 fundamental sectors. Among them are high-end chips, semiconductor manufacturing, next generational wireless communications, software, pharmaceuticals, large aircrafts and space systems, including high-resolution Earth-observation systems.

The government also intends to use China's very large domestic market to encourage the international community to embrace and support inventions from Chinese companies.

India

India put in a poor show and managed to file only 761 patent applications last year followed by Singapore (594), Brazil (480), and South Africa (389), among others.

India's performance in patent filings dropped sharply from 1,070 in 2008, which indicates that there is no sustained push to accelerate research and development activities."

Watch the video as the Indian military analyzes the balance of power between China and India.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQyf6PfaGxE

"October 07, 2009

Its long been believed but on Monday India's Navy chief, Adm. Sureesh Mehta, chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee, clearly spelt it out: India is no match for China, should a conflict arise between the nations.

Pointing out that it would be foolhardy to compare India and China as equals, Adm. Mehta said: In military terms, both conventional and non-conventional, we have neither the capability nor the intention to match China, force by force.

He went on to add that these were sobering thoughts... therefore our strategy to deal with China would need to be in consonance with these realities. Common sense indicates that cooperation with China would be preferable to competition or conflict as it would be foolhardy to compare India and China as equals, Adm. Mehta said."

it will take Indians 3-5 years to tell tiger is bigger than a cat if you put them next to each other in cages.
most of them will not even say words directly rather "well, if you hang them upside down, the tiger may look taller."

I heard Sureesh Mehta did not have peaceful days after it admitted that facts. many media protest him.
good luck to Sureesh Mehta, freedom of speech is not that free beyond the red line.

LOL

with 700s, India is still far from top 20,, Look that the list, which leading country do not have strong industry?
relies on call-center services to live in top list, not that simple.
by the way, on the top 15, number of them decreased in double digits, only one
country has significant growth --- China growth is stable at super speed.


Ranking .. Country ....... 2005 ... 2006 ....... 2007 ....2008 ...... 2009 est... 2009 growth
1 ....... United States ... 46,857 __ 51,296 __ 54,037 __ 51,653 __ 45,790 .... -11.4%
2 ....... Japan ............. 24,870 __ 27,023 __ 27,748 __ 28,785 __ 29,827 .... 3.6%
3 ....... Germany ........ 15,987 __ 16,734 __ 17,824 __ 18,853 __ 16,736 .... -11.2%
4 ....... s.Korea ........... 4,689 __ 5,946 ___ 7,065 __ 7,901 __ 8,066 .... 2.1%
5 ....... China .............. 2,512 __ 3,937 ___ 5,465 __ 6,128 __ 7,946 .... 29.7%
6 ....... France ............ 5,756 __ 6,264 ___ 6,570 __ 7,074 __ 7,166 .... 1.3%
7 ....... U.Kingdom ........ 5,095 __ 5,092 ___ 5,539 __ 5,514 __ 5,320 .... -3.5%
8 ....... Netherlands ....... 4,504 __ 4,550 ___ 4,422 __ 4,339 __ 4,471 .... 3.0%
9 ....... Switzerland ....... 3,294 __ 3,613 ___ 3,814 __ 3,749 __ 3,688 .... -1.6%
10 ....... Sweden .......... 2,887 __ 3,333 ___ 3,658 __ 4,136 __ 3,667 .... -11.3%
...
15 ...... Israel ............. 1,461 ___ 1,599 ___ 1,747 ___ 1,905 ___ 1,578 ..... -17.2%
...
http://www.wipo.int/pressroom/en/articles/...ticle_0003.html

The old India and China were peaceful. However, Indians had been Inglished in last 100-200 years. Most educated by UK and US, they read in English, speak in English and write in English. I doubt Indians do not think in English ways. The educated Indians have no much different than their teachers. If the Western country are pigeons, great. Iraq is peaceful, mid-East are peaceful.

When a country conducted a nuclear bomb, the Chief of defense said nuclear bomb is use to defense China. test any missile has range longer than 1,000km, they measure it by Chinese cities. Then entire country media is anti China and post new anti chinese article daily. Do you that country is very friendly to China? Oh yes, even power plant build by China still politicalize to be military weapon. Wow, what a peaceful country on earth. IF more countries learn it from India, China will bankrupt.

"of course every country has it own ambition to be a great nation include super power". There are may way, China has ambition. It did not aim at India every day. German has ambition after WW2, does German aims Russia or fight with France daily? that calls stupid. Some country had ambitions invaded other countries. UK in 200 years and Japan in 1930-1940s. you know ambition has limitations. Finally, you dont like war, wish war will not come to you. then no war to you. be real, you imaginated you are God --- make 3 wishes to live in peace. Dam that China in the last 200 years, Chinese must wished wars, wished Japan and Western country to invade. right? LOL,


In the 1950s, China fought the Korea war, what China win is not land, it is a peace, a decades long peace. Oh, forgot one more, China won friendship from the West. Without a war, the Kora war, China is still the enemy of US since 1949. War can be one-winner, can be all losers or can be both winners. depends.

You have made an important observation. The unmistakable trend in China's double-digit growth in patent applications shows an underlying commitment and funding for research and development. It is apparent that China's goal is to build a knowledge-based economy.

China is on the brink of overtaking South Korea for the #4 spot. I look forward to the release of the patent application numbers for 2010.

"convince china to fight india.." lol what a title.India and china has co-existed as civilizations for 5000 years without sending a single soldier of either side across border to invade.In all these 5000 years there was only one military conflict that lasted for about a month(in 1962)isn't this co-existence unparalled in human history?As an indian i can say that me,along with most indians respect china very much.India and china have similar visions of becoming a developed nation and we are on our way to reach that goal,with china and india being the countries with fastest growing economies in world.Both countries know full well that a military conflict will jeopardise our development and co-operation is the only way ahead.Both india and china stand together in many international issues like emission control..Tens of thousands of indian students are studying in china,thousands of indians work in china and vice versa.We are having some joint projects in afghanistan.25% of indias energy needs is met by chinese companies,And recently our pharma companies were welcomed to invest in china.. business relations are increasing day by day and we hope to have a bilateral trade of $100billion in 5 years
The statement that indian civilian population is anti china is is nowhere near the truth.I have seen people who literally swear by chairman mao.Most of us respect china admire the good qualities in them.The vast majority of chinese and indian population dont want a war nor they find happiness in destroying the other(in contrast to our other neighbour who,while itself being in a pathetic state,still dreams of ghazwa e hind)Those who wish to convince china to fight india and watch indian and chinese citizens dying can sit in their dream world.Long live china

I may have made an error in judgment. Based on Indian media, I assumed that most Indians were anti-Chinese. This may be a false assumption. By analogy, if you read or watch American media, you would swear that everyone in the U.S. was anti-Chinese.

I will be more careful in the future with my assumptions and views on India.

The sad part is this hurts India way more than the Chinese contractors. This is an instance where China's industry is perfectly complementary to India's needs and India blows it away over nothing. They'll end up paying double/triple to some European, Japanese or American firms who will finish the job in twice the time. Sad.

I think your assumptions are right on the nose about Indian media....at least English language Indian media. I've noticed some trends concerning this. It's always been my belief that the current anti-Chinese sentiment in India is a gross aberration considering the mutual indifference of these two cultures to each other for all of the history before 1947. Could all these problems simply stem from the British colonial administration's drawn borders? Or is there more to it than just that?

I have noticed something distinct about Indian leaders and indeed from a large number of just ordinary Indians....

*** IT'S A LACK OF SELF-REFLECTION ***

...from the personal level all the way up to the national level. I don't know if this is some sort of cultural quality of all Indians, just Hindus living under the caste system, the English educated elites, etc. What I do know is, it explains alot of things concerning why India is in the state it's in and why alot of Indians are the way they are.

Until this moral shortcoming is rectified, India will have much difficulty solving many of its problems because there is a lack of acknowledgment of their problems. I often read of Indian milestones and accomplishments that eventually turn out to be simply projects that have been launched or simply announced. These are often grandiose like landing a man on the Moon within 15 years or something ridiculous like that. These sorts of things that come out of the mouths of not just nobody's but India's top politicians and scientists demonstrate something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

I don't think the people here should be laughing about this. The sort of behavior I see from India's leaders is cause for alarm because there seems to be a clear lack of direction from their highest levels. Every other day I read about some moronic comment or announcement to one up China for no other reason than spite. For example, a few days ago, the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh stated that Dell Computer would be leaving China completely and moving all 8000+ jobs from its China operation into India alone. This was clearly to take advantage of the current Google fiasco in China. However, to have the Prime Minister of India, their #1 guy, pull off such an undiplomatic, low blow, obvious lie, that was quickly denied by Dell, demonstrates a lack of poise and thought especially given that it happens all the time, and I mean ALL the time as in every other day or if we're lucky once a week.

This is why India and not the U.S. is the mortal danger that China must be weary of going into the future.

I was also shocked when Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh made a clearly untrue claim regarding Dell's intention to leave China. If you can't believe the words that come out of the mouth of the Prime Minister then who can you believe in India? I was perplexed that the Prime Minister of India did not appear to value his credibility and made up a story. That is worrying behavior from the man with his finger on the nuclear button.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-2...nkguillen%20#fb

"Dell Denies Discussing China Move With India Minister (Update2)
March 25, 2010, 8:09 PM EDT

(Adds investor’s comments in eighth paragraph.)

By Mehul Srivastava and Mary Childs

March 25 (Bloomberg) -- Dell Inc. denied an Indian government release that Chief Executive Officer Michael Dell discussed shifting procurement from China to a “safer environment” with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

“There was no discussion concerning any change in how or from where Dell will source component parts for the computers it manufactures in Asia,” Minari Shah, a Dell spokeswoman, said in an e-mailed statement today.

Dell sources “equipment and parts worth $25 billion from China,” Singh told members of India’s Planning Commission on March 23, according to an e-mailed text of his speech released by India’s Press Information Bureau that evening.

“They would like to shift to safer environment with climate conducive to enterprise with security of legal system,” Singh told the plan panel. “So I think this is an area where there are immense opportunities,” he said in the speech.

The Web site for the Press Information Bureau, where releases of Singh’s official speeches are posted, no longer has a copy of the remarks. The text was removed after officials from the Round Rock, Texas-based company contacted the Indian press office, Dell’s Shah said.

Harish Khare, a media adviser to Singh, declined to comment.

Holding the Hammer

Dell should avoid damaging relations with the Chinese government because it’s such a large market, said Tom Wirth, senior investment officer at Chemung Canal Trust Co., which manages $1.6 billion in Elmira, New York, and doesn’t own any shares of Dell.

“For Dell as a company, certainly that hurts,” he said. Flare-ups between U.S. companies and China, including Google Inc.’s clash over censorship, could affect relations between the two countries, Wirth said.

“The fact is China holds the hammer to us -- we are indebted to China and not the other way around at this point,” he said.

China accounted for more than 60 percent of all personal computers shipped in the Asia-Pacific region last quarter, according to Gartner Inc. Shipments in that area climbed 44 percent, the fastest rate among the regions surveyed, according to the Stamford, Connecticut-based researcher.

Michael Dell met Singh the day after Google started routing China-based users to an unfiltered search service on its Hong Kong site, following through on a Jan. 12 statement to end self- censorship of its Google.cn portal. Dell declined to comment March 23 when asked about Google’s decision.

Dell dropped 12 cents to $14.87 at 4 p.m. New York time in Nasdaq Stock Market trading. The shares have climbed 3.6 percent this year.

--Editors: Suresh Seshadri, Peter Elstrom

To contact the reporters on this story: Mehul Srivastava at msrivastava6@bloomberg.net; Mary Childs in New York at mchilds5@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Young-Sam Cho at ycho2@bloomberg.net"

There is good news. It looks like India will choose cooperation, instead of confrontation, with China. This will help both countries develop more quickly and attain higher standards of living.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/business...al/07rupee.html

"Published: April 6, 2010
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During Mr. Geithner’s visit to India, the Indian foreign minister, S. M. Krishna, was on a four-day trip to Beijing. On Tuesday, Mr. Krishna spoke forcefully about increasing ties between India and China.

“India and China, who share so much which is in common between our two countries, should work together and try to move much closer together so as to make an impact on global affairs,” he said Tuesday in a speech at the China Institute of International Studies, a research group in Beijing, The Associated Press reported.

“Just as we advanced decolonization and independence movements in the ’50s, today we are striving to rewrite the rules of the world a little more in our favor,” Mr. Krishna said."

http://www.stockmarketsreview.com/news/4199/

""Asia Century A Dream Until China, India Come Together"

Date: 12 April 2010

(RTTNews) - An "Asia century" will remain a dream until the two giants, China and India, resolve their differences and treat each other with trust and respect, a leading state-run Chinese newspaper said Saturday.

Advocating closer Sino-Indian ties on lines of China's "all- weather friendship" with Pakistan, the "China Daily" wrote in a commentary that to maintain a peaceful external environment, China also would like to build closer ties with its major southern neighbor.

"India has always harbored a grudge over China's all-weather friendship with Pakistan. The China-Pakistan relationship is based on mutual trust and mutual support in nation-building and international co-operation," it said.

If China could become a "mutual friend to the two Asian rivals," it would contribute more to regional peace and stability, besides eventually serving India's interests as well, it added.

The newspaper also noted that as China increased its influence internationally, many Indians, including high-ranking officials, were seeing China as a potential rival or even a threat to India. This partly explained why New Delhi was yet to recognize Beijing's market economy status, while over 60 countries had granted such status to it.

It further said such anti-China sentiments would not help cultivate a friendly atmosphere for bilateral ties to flourish, but rather sow the seeds of distrust between the two countries.

It also called for the resolution of the border dispute between the two countries and the resumption of the dialogue for its demarcation begun in the 1980s to formally delineate about 1250 miles (2000 kms) of their shared border.

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