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Hellraiser006
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east...lumn/index.html


China seeks Russian military edgeBy Willy Wo-Lap Lam, CNN Senior China Analyst
Monday, May 26, 2003 Posted: 11:12 PM EDT (0312 GMT)



Hu in Moscow. Countering the U.S.'s military and global might is a key concern for Beijing.

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(CNN) -- Much more than symbolism is involved in Chinese President Hu Jintao's choice for Russia to be the first country to visit in his capacity as head of state and chief of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

The stress that Hu and ex-president Jiang Zemin have recently put on modernization of weaponry has highlighted the fast-growing military ties between the two allies.

It is too early to say there is a pro-Russian tilt in the 60-year-old Hu's foreign policy.

At least for the foreseeable term, the Fourth Generation leader will continue with the tradition, set by predecessors Deng Xiaoping and Jiang, of giving top priority to relations with the United States.

However, particularly in the wake of the triumph of Washington's perceived "neo-imperialism" in Iraq, quite a number of Hu's military and diplomatic advisers are concentrating on ways to counter-balance America's global preponderance.

Hu, who arrived in Moscow on Monday, will spend a week in Russia before heading to France, Kazakhstan and Mongolia.

Highlights of the president's two-day stay in Europe is his attendance at the Group of Eight annual meeting in Evian, France -- and holding a brief "mini-summit" with President George W. Bush on the sidelines of the G8 conclave.

While in Moscow, Hu and counterpart Vladimir Putin will play up the two countries' special partnership of "good neighborliness and cooperation."

In a pre-departure interview with the Russia media, Hu pledged to "assiduously raise the Sino-Russian strategic partnership of cooperation to new and higher levels."

Items to be discussed between Hu and his hosts include trade, an agreement on exporting Russian oil to China -- and hi-tech and defense-related cooperation.

Particularly after the accident that killed all 70 crew on board the Ming Class submarine last month, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is determined to speed up the upgrading of its arsenal.

Defense modernization was the theme of a special CCP Politburo "study session" called last Friday, in which the top ruling body vowed to "learn from the experience of new military developments in the world."

Hu, who is also Central Military Commission (CMC) Vice-Chairman, indicated the PLA was gunning for a kuayue shi ("leap-forward style") transformation of defense hardware.

Given that military and hi-tech cooperation with the U.S. and most European countries has largely stood still since the June 4, 1989 massacre, Beijing has since the mid-1990s spent billions of dollars on Russian-made fighter jets and submarines.

It is significant that Defense Minister General Cao Gangchuan, who is in charge of arms procurement, is the only member of the CCP Politburo to have been trained in the former Soviet Union.

Closer defense ties with Moscow coincides with a thorough-going restructuring of the PLA, which is being masterminded by ex-president and CMC Chairman Jiang.

"Jiang has spent much of the past few months in his power base of Shanghai, where he is mapping out measures to streamline the forces, including substantial demobilization," said a military source in Beijing.

"The 73-year-old Jiang hopes ushering the PLA into the IT era will be his last contribution as senior Chinese leader."

The source said the 2.4 million-strong PLA is due to shed about 500,000 soldiers beginning late this year.

Moreover, the command-and-control structure will be revamped and centralized with unprecedented powers to be placed in the CMC and units under its direct control.

Countering the U.S.

Following the U.S.-led triumph in Iraq, China is looking for a quicker streamlining of its military.
It is understood that Jiang, Hu and the generals have been closely studying what China can learn from the hi-tech wizardry displayed by U.S. forces in Iraq.

Military specialists traveling with the Hu team will discuss with their hosts ways in which Russian expertise can help the PLA in areas ranging from electronics to astronautics.

In a commentary last weekend, the official Xinhua news agency dropped hints about Sino-Russian cooperation in checking perceived U.S. expansionism.

The article said the two countries should strive to build a "fair and just global order" against a backdrop of "hegemonism and power politics" on the world scene.

While in Russia, Hu will also try to breathe new life into the somewhat lethargic Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which groups China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyztan.

Leaders of the SCO countries -- who are meeting in Moscow later this week -- are set to confirm the establishment of a permanent secretariat in Beijing as well as the possible admission of new members.

Mongolia, the last leg of Hu's multi-nation tour, is said to be considering joining the SCO, conceived as a counterweight to NATO as well as "U.S. hegemonism."

Diplomatic analysts said Hu would face a hard time persuading his SCO colleagues to adopt a tougher line on the U.S.

In the wake of the war in Afghanistan, countries including Uzbekistan and Tajikistan have become dependent on American economic and even military aid.

Moreover, the Putin administration has reiterated the priority it is attaching to American investment and the U.S. market.

And while Moscow played a key role in opposing American military action in Iraq, its main interest is getting a bigger share of the energy pie in the war-torn country.

Indeed, while meeting Bush on the fringes of the G8 meeting, the Chinese president will have to try out a juggling act not unlike that perfected by Putin.

Hu has already demonstrated his think-big vision by agreeing to attend the G8 as an observer, which will be a first for a top Chinese leader.

Diplomatic analysts expect Hu and Bush to concentrate on issues including North Korea, Taiwan, peace in the Middle East, as well as economic and technological ties.

Cooperation in solving the knotty North Korean nuclear crisis could help cement a new Sino-U.S. partnership that is anchored on fighting global terrorism.

Indeed, Beijing's acquiescence in the Afghan and Iraq wars has been instrumental in keeping traditionally volatile bilateral ties on an even keel.

However, the analysts say given Hu's strong views on Taiwan, it is possible the Chinese leader may play the Korean card when putting pressure on Washington to at least refrain from selling sophisticated weapons to the self-ruled island.

Yet apart from the SARS outbreak, developments in China that have attracted the attention of U.S. politicians and legislators in recent weeks tend to revolve around the relentless build-up of its already formidable army.

Just last weekend, Beijing put its third navigation satellite into orbit, a hi-tech feat that has major military implications.

The Hu administration's high-profile determination to beef up the PLA arsenal -- partly with help from the Russians -- could buttress the arguments of those Bush aides who want to rein in China through arming Taiwan.
M21sniper
Sounds like an exercize in futility to me.
USA Michael
The Russians are not exactly masters of warfare. Check out their performance in Chechnya.
M21sniper
And Afghanistan.
Hellraiser006
their technology is the second best in the world though isn't it?
nofool
Americans got whipped in Vietnam. The issue is getting the best country's technology not the quality (or lack thereof) of the soldiers using it.
Hellraiser006
now that the Chinese economy is poised to become a major power house in Asia , the Chinese are rightfully concentrating on upgrading their military capabilities.

i think the next decade will be about increasing China's military power to extend its influence over its surrounding countries and act as a counter balance to the US.
PhrozenFlame
QUOTE (Hellraiser006 @ May 29 2003, 03:55 AM)
now that the Chinese economy is poised to become a major power house in Asia , the Chinese are rightfully concentrating on upgrading their military capabilities.

i think the next decade will be about increasing China's military power to extend its influence over its surrounding countries and act as a counter balance to the US.

and all the benefits it will bring to thier old loyal sdtretagic ally B)
airforcefan
So it will be USA/Israel/UK/India/S.Korea/Japan/Taiwan vs China/Pakistan/N.Korea/Iran(maybe) etc......

Good man the new world order seems pretty interesting.
UD2
To: [airforcefan]

given the relationship between the Isrealians and the Chinese right now, it will be unlikely for Isreal to join the US side... it will most likely stay nutural

and what make you think that Japan and S. Korean government will join the US aginest a war with China?? what makes you think those two nation's government will risk loosing one of their biggest trading partners, loose most if not all support from their citizens, and risk being nuked... jest to help a nation whose military forces they are trying to get rid of? Do you really think the S. Koreans and the Japanese like the Americans???

and do you really think that the British citizens will allow their government to attack China along with the US of A when they didn't even alow their governmnet to attack Iraq???

The only one who may join your ranks is India, and that is very unlikely because the Indian government will want to avoid any confict with the country on the other side of the boarder.

And also, how many people in the US of A did not want the US to attack Iraq??? you think many people will allow the US to attack China???

Do you think the UN will allow the US to attack China??? oh ofcourse, you went aginest the UN once and you can do it again right??? well... go tell the US government to give it a try... and see what happenes..
Thilipan
QUOTE
given the relationship between the Isrealians and the Chinese right now, it will be unlikely for Isreal to join the US side... it will most likely stay nutural


eh :lol:
airforcefan
UD2 look at the thread by me in International Miltary watch forum.
KunLun
China seeks Russian military edge: so? is that a breacking new?

it would surprised me if I read "China seeks Indian military edge"
KunLun
QUOTE (USA Michael @ May 27 2003, 02:28 PM)
The Russians are not exactly masters of warfare.  Check out their performance in Chechnya.

"The Russians are not exactly masters of warfare. "

Because Russian are more human than american and brit evil.
Russian could end Chechen in matter minutes (chemichal or Bio warfare)

Which american or brit would never hesitate to use.
Beijinger
QUOTE (airforcefan @ May 29 2003, 05:05 PM)
So it will be USA/Israel/UK/India/S.Korea/Japan/Taiwan vs China/Pakistan/N.Korea/Iran(maybe) etc......

Good man the new world order seems pretty interesting.



what a daydreamer! :megalol
airforcefan
Beijinger

Come out of your commie world and read some news. Go to intl military forum on this site. Get some reality check.
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"Because Russian are more human than american and brit evil.
Russian could end Chechen in matter minutes (chemichal or Bio warfare)"

Uhhh the USA could have ended Iraq in about 3 minutes by nuking Baghdad..........

Mind you the Russias drop dumb bombs in cities while the USA actually tries to keep the damage down.

Baghdad could look lke Hiroshima if the USA wanted to nuke it, or look like Dresden if they didn't want ot use the nukes and just used B-52s and B-1s along with MC-130s dropping MOABs. The Iraqis coudl have not stopped them anyways.
soul of dragon
what a urgly !
perhaps that time in vietnam usa is also very kind to ur people?
do not be so urgent to be a usa patriot before u kill some civils from other country for usa!!
if i say u are more like a usa citizen than usa michael, will u be satisfied? B) poor guy,if u want to say u are usa citizen. so please do not tell me u are vietnamese . it make me real sick!! :lol: :lol:
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