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[Martian]

If we can organize Chinese consumers, I bet we can push the Japanese economy into recession.

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Diplomatic row hurts Japanese car sales in China | Reuters

"Diplomatic row hurts Japanese car sales in China
By Norihiko Shirouzu
CHENGDU, China | Thu Sep 6, 2012 4:16am EDT

(Reuters) - A diplomatic row between Japan and China is having "some impact" on Japanese car sales in China, a Nissan Motor Co Ltd (7201.T) executive said on Thursday, a sign the feud is affecting business between the world's second- and third-largest economies.

The potential damage to ever-closer economic ties is one big reason that both Beijing and Tokyo want to keep the row over disputed islands in the East China Sea from spiraling out of control. Still, both face domestic pressure not to look weak, given deep mutual public mistrust.

Nissan's Chief Operating Officer Toshiyuki Shiga said in the southwestern Chinese city of Chengdu that Japanese car manufacturers were having difficulty in holding big, outdoor sales promotion campaigns, which may have hurt August sales.

"Overall, not only for Nissan but also all Japanese makers, we have been hit by a drop in sales, especially August sales. That means there is some impact," Shiga told reporters on the sidelines of an auto conference.

"It is very difficult to conduct big sales promotional campaigns, especially promotional events outdoors."

Nissan has said it sold 95,200 vehicles in China in August against 98,100 in July. But the drop could also be due to an economic slowdown in China, the world's biggest auto market.

Nissan and other Japanese manufacturers were advised by local government officials to tone down sales campaigns and slow other sales activities to avoid becoming targets, Shiga added.

Mazda Motor Corp's (7261.T) China head, Noriaki Yamada, told reporters in Shanghai last week that there had been a slight impact on the number of visits by customers after the anti-Japanese protests. "I cannot say there won't be any impact on business in the future," Yamada said.

Many Japanese car makers are banking on China's auto market as a driver of growth. Earlier on Thursday, a senior executive at Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) said the firm aims to sell up to 1.8 million cars annually in China by 2015, up from about 900,000 cars it sold last year.

Sino-Japanese ties, plagued by a bitter wartime past and present rivalry over regional clout, have been strained recently by a flare-up of a feud over rival claims to the uninhabited islands, known as the Diaoyu in China and the Senkaku in Japan.

PRACTICAL CONSUMERS

In August, Japan's coast guard detained and deported Chinese activists who sailed from Hong Kong and landed on the islets.

China is also angry over a plan by Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda's government to purchase the islands, which are near potentially huge maritime gas fields. Noda decided on the purchase after the governor of Tokyo, Shintaro Ishihara, a harsh critic of China, proposed his own plan to buy the islands.

Crowds of anti-Japanese protesters took to the streets in several Chinese cities after last month's detention, including in Shenzhen where small groups overturned Japanese cars and shouted slogans denouncing Japan's claim over the islands.

"To improve the China-Japan relationship, the key is that Japan take the initiative to stop activities harming Chinese sovereignty," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said.

Some analysts questioned how much of an impact the diplomatic row would have on Japanese car sales.

"Many Chinese consumers are practical, they might not like Japanese before the war, but they don't mind driving a Toyota or Nissan if the quality and price are good," said Sheng Ye, associate research director for Greater China at industry consultancy Ipsos.

Despite the bitter legacy of the past - Japan occupied large parts of China in the 1930s and 1940s - and current diplomatic jousting, deep economic ties mean both governments are eager to keep the feud from worsening. Two-way trade grew 14.3 percent in 2011 to a record $345 billion.

"Of course, a few members of the public in both countries are getting a bit excited after the landing by Hong Kong activists. But I believe the both governments have responded calmly," Japanese Deputy Prime Minister Katsuya Okada told reporters.

"Our basic stance remains unchanged that we must deepen our mutually beneficial relationship based on strategic interests."

Seeking to improve ties, a group of Japanese lawmakers plans to travel to China later this month, an aide to one of the lawmakers said, although the trip has not been finalised.

But whether Noda will meet Chinese President Hu Jintao on the sidelines of an Asia-Pacific leaders' summit in Vladivostok this weekend is up in the air, a Japanese official said.

Both countries face leadership changes soon, so giving the matter their full attention is tough - one reason some Japanese business executives are concerned.

"Indeed, it is a source of anxiety," Tadashi Yanai, chairman and president of Fast Retailing Co (9983.T), Asia's largest apparel retailer, told Reuters this week, referring to Japan's territorial row with China and a separate feud with South Korea.

"It seems hard to read the future," Yanai said, adding, however, that he still planned to open more stores in China."

[Martian]

Different tiers to boycott Japanese cars

I have devised a simple and painless boycott pledge to suit your comfort level.

Platinum member: You pledge to boycott Japanese cars for life unless the Japanese return the Diaoyu Islands to China.

Gold member: You pledge to boycott Japanese cars for ten years unless the Japanese return the Diaoyu Islands to China.

Silver member: You pledge to boycott Japanese cars for five years unless the Japanese return the Diaoyu Islands to China.

Bronze member: You pledge to boycott Japanese cars for one year unless the Japanese return the Diaoyu Islands to China.

Okay, I'll make my pledge now. I think I can fulfill the terms and conditions for Silver membership. The old Honda CRV is a great car, but the Diaoyu Islands are more important. I'll think about renewing my membership in five years and consider upgrading myself to a Gold member.

Who would like to make a pledge?

[iwinit]

I think I can be a platinum member. My 1-year old BMW 535i is currently in service to replace a problematic catalytic converter. My brand new 2013 Mercedes-Benz GLK350 has weird noise and might need to be brought in for tests. I wish these German cars could be as reliable as Japanese cars. Nonetheless, I will not buy any more Japanese cars in my life no matter how reliable they are.

I'm also a fan of mid-size pickup trucks. In this segment, Toyota Tacoma and Nissan Frontier are the best. But I will settle for an American one.

[marchpole]

German、French or Chinese cars，but never ever Japanese cars or anything that carries a Japanese brand for that matter。So I gather I am a Platinum Member in Martian's book。

[sobank]

sobank, on 07 September 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

Any german car more expensive than fully loaded passat, is a piece of sh|t.

dont waste your money on bmws and mercedez. get a faster volks wagon with 280hp if you want the power.

P.S. my friend never buys jap car. so i guess he is already in plat club

[iwinit]

"Any german car more expensive than fully loaded passat, is a piece of sh|t."

Every enthusiast will disagree with you. I'm not an enthusiast. I don't race. But I love the driving dynamics of a rear-wheel drive BMW. Agility, precise handling, endless power during acceleration, powerful brakes. They thrill me everyday.

[PakShah]

I completely with you. We should oppose all injustices.

Could you please give us the background information for the Diaoyu Islands conflict.

Thanks,

PakShah

[Martian]

PakShah, on 07 September 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

I completely with you. We should oppose all injustices.

Could you please give us the background information for the Diaoyu Islands conflict.

Thanks,

PakShah

China was the first to discover and claim the Diaoyu Islands in 1403

The Diaoyu Islands were discovered and claimed by China in 1403 (see citation below).

Using gunboats, Japan stole the Diaoyu Islands from China in 1895.

We want the Diaoyu Islands back without having to drop megaton thermonuclear bombs on Tokyo.

A boycott on Japanese cars is a peaceful mean of recovering stolen Chinese territory from Japan.

Say "Yes" to peace and boycott a Japanese car today!

Citation:

Islands not for sale, China tells Japan

"Whether from a historical or legal perspective, the Diaoyu Islands incontrovertibly belong to China.

According to international law, the sovereignty of territories belongs to those who first name and assume jurisdiction over them.

A written record of China's sovereignty over the Diaoyu Islands can be traced back to the early 15th century. In 1403 the book Shun Feng Xiang Song (Voyage with Tail Wind) has a reference to the islands calling them 'Diaoyutai'."

[Dizasta]

My personal suggestion to our Chinese friends is to buy Chinese cars, SUVs and commercial vehicles. That way, not only would the Chinese people be empowering China's economy, but also encouraging the Chinese car manufacturers to become better, more refined and design cars with higher quality that their demand increases not only in China, but around the world.

In the turbulent times of today, where US, EU & UK are becoming increasingly weak economically. It is the right time for China to

[Martian]

Chinese state media calls for boycott of Japanese goods

If you're ethnically Chinese, please join our movement to boycott Japanese goods. This will weaken the Japanese economy and deprive the Japanese military of financial resources.

If you're not ethnically Chinese, I implore you to join our moral campaign to boycott Japanese goods and peacefully reclaim China's Diayou Islands. You will have my undying gratitude. Thank you!

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China aims at Japan's economy in island protests

"China aims at Japan's economy in island protests
September 16, 2012
By LOUISE WATT, Associated Press

BEIJING (AP) — Chinese are trying to hurt Japan economically for leverage in a bitter dispute over contested islands, turning to angry protests and calls for boycotts of Japanese businesses, abetted in part by China's government.

Sporadic protests in China over the past week became larger and at times violent and spread to at least two dozen cities over the weekend. Protesters torched a Panasonic factory and Toyota dealership in the eastern port of Qingdao, looted a Heiwado Co. department store in the southern city of Changsha and ransacked Japanese supermarkets in several cities. Though larger numbers of police imposed more order on demonstrations Sunday, they fired tear gas to subdue rowdy protesters in the southern city of Shenzhen. In nearby Guangzhou city, protesters broke into a hotel that was next to the Japanese Consulate and damaged a Japanese restaurant inside.

Japan has demanded that China ensure the safety of Japanese citizens and businesses. "Unfortunately, this is an issue that is impacting the safety of our citizens and causing damage to the property of Japanese businesses," Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda told NHK, Japan's public broadcaster, on Sunday.

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Sunday he is concerned that island disputes in the Asia-Pacific region could spark provocations and result in violence that could involve other nations, such as the United States.

While it urged protesters not to resort to violence, China's government has also encouraged the use of economic pressure in the dispute over Japan's control over the East China Sea islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China. China's National Tourism Administration ordered travel companies last week to cancel tours to Japan over the weeklong National Day holiday in early October and promised to compensate any businesses for costs they could not recover, said a lawyer who saw the written order and asked not to be identified because the document is not for public use.

The scale and violence are the worst in recurring waves of anti-Japanese protests since 2005, when lingering grievances over Japan's occupation of parts of China in the 1930s through World War II brought Chinese into the streets. Since then, China's economy has supplanted Japan's as the world's second largest and its diplomatic clout and military firepower have soared. State broadcaster China Central Television on Sunday showed Chinese naval forces conducting firing drills in the East China Sea, though it did not give a date for the exercises.

Tensions have been growing for months over the East China Sea islands, since a right-wing nationalist Japanese politician vowed to buy them from their private owners to better protect them from Chinese encroachment. When the Japanese government purchased the islands this week to keep them out of the politician's hands, China reacted angrily, sending marine patrol ships inside Japanese-claimed waters around the islands.

State media, which answer to the ruling Communist Party, joined ordinary Chinese in calling for boycotts of Japanese goods. One regional newspaper ran a list of well-known Japanese brands along with calls for a boycott. China Central Television halted advertisements for Japanese products on two of its main channels over the weekend, according to China National Radio.

Nissan President and CEO Carlos Ghosn told reporters in Hong Kong last week that though so far the dispute had not had a discernible impact on sales in China, it might if it degenerates "into something more serious."

Imports from Japan are off 6 percent so far this year compared with the first eight months of last year, according to Chinese government figures.

A manager of a Sony laptop store in Shanghai said fewer people were coming into his shop. "We sold more than 100 last month, while in these 13 days in September, we sold fewer than 10," manager Yan Long said last week. "We all know these products are made in China, but with a Japanese brand, but it's just the way it is."

Calls for boycotts in previous rounds of China-Japan tensions have fizzled, so it's unclear whether this time will be any different. The Japanese and Chinese economies have robust trade and economic ties, and Japan is a major investor, its businesses providing jobs in manufacturing and services. A boycott or trade fight would likely hurt the Chinese economy at a time its growth is rapidly slowing and the Chinese leadership is worried about civil unrest.

At a Guomei electronics store in Beijing — teeming with flat-screen TVs, cameras and stereo systems — consumers seemed divided. "We should ban their products," fumed 70-year-old former soldier Sun Zhiyi as he left the store. "Japan's ambition is growing bigger and bigger. Our government is too weak."

Others, however, praised Japanese products for their good value. "Their quality is good and I will still buy them," said 20-year-old bank clerk Yu Jinsheng, shopping for a camera.

In 2010, China temporarily stopped exports to Japan of rare earth metals used in high-tech manufacturing after Japan arrested a fishing boat captain whose trawler collided with two Japanese patrol boats off the islands.

China could also threaten Japan with sanctions like it did with the United States in 2010 over Taiwan or cancel trade delegations, but this is unlikely because it could have a detrimental effect on trade relations, said Sarah McDowall, a London-based senior Asia-Pacific analyst at IHS.

"They need each other," she said.

Beijing is treading a careful line, wanting to pressure Japan over the islands and appear a staunch defender of Chinese national interests, without encouraging violence. Protesters in Beijing and several other cities carried portraits of Chinese revolutionary leader Mao Zedong. Though the current leaders use Mao as a rallying symbol, his radical policies have been abandoned and so carrying his poster is a safe, backhanded way of criticizing the government.

On Saturday, protesters in Beijing numbered in the thousands and nearly breached a metal retaining wall in front of the Japanese Embassy. On Sunday, security personnel outnumbered the protesters, who threw water bottles, bananas, tomatoes and eggs at the embassy and chanted slogans.

State media appealed for people to be "rational" on Sunday, in contrast to their more combative language last week. "The expression of patriotic feelings should not come at the cost of disrupting domestic social order," Xinhua wrote in a commentary.

Censors also stepped up their policing of social media to prevent news of protests from spreading. Users of China's popular Twitter-like Sina Weibo site couldn't search for the term "anti-Japan protests" on Sunday and videos of protests once posted quickly disappeared.

Further complicating matters, Japan's newly appointed ambassador to China, Shinichi Nishimiya, died Sunday, three days after collapsing near his home in Tokyo. No official cause of death was released. He had been appointed ambassador on Tuesday, and was to assume his new post next month.
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Associated Press television producer Aritz Parra, reporter Charles Hutzler and researchers Henry Hou and Flora Ji in Beijing, reporter Eric Talmadge in Tokyo, and photographer Eugene Hoshiko and researcher Fu Ting in Shanghai contributed to this report."

[gnak]

u see all those protest across china

with ppl trashing japanese owned businesses etc...

basically targeting anything japanese or japanese related

this is shameful behaviour... no different from those muslims pissed at america

cus of a film that shits on their religion...

on a side note i bet most of these protesters are unemployed... got nothing else better to do

than give china a bad image aboard.

[Martian]

Time to get rid of the Japanese parasite

Those Chinese protesters are patriots.

Japanese sell millions of cars worth billions of dollars in China. China sells zero cars in Japan.

Japan needs China. China does not need Japan. It is time to drive out the Japanese parasite from the Chinese $8 trillion economy.

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At Gnak, I would appreciate it if you would stop making ridiculous comparisons. I don't like your anti-China propaganda.

Muslim protesters killed the American ambassador and three other Americans in Libya. Chinese protesters haven't harmed anyone. The two are not equivalent in any way.

We can't expel the Japanese if we merely hold signs and let the Japanese conduct business as usual. It is imperative to disrupt and shut down Japanese manufacturing plants and retailers. China has ample capacity to replace the Japanese carmakers and electronics sellers.

[gnak]

Martian, on 17 September 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

At Gnak, I would appreciate it if you would stop making ridiculous comparisons. I don't like your anti-China propaganda.

i have a holistic view on china i see it for its good and bad

Martian, on 17 September 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

We can't expel the Japanese if we merely hold signs and let the Japanese conduct business as usual. It is imperative to disrupt and shut down Japanese manufacturing plants and retailers. China has ample capacity to replace the Japanese carmakers and electronics sellers.

yea u boycott their products... not going around looting, burning destroying and vandalizing private property no matter who's the owner

[saint]

http://imgur.com/a/Y7oIp

The chinese goverment dosent want to fight war with any country, they are hoping this vent of anger by chinese people will gradually die down.

[gnak]

saint, on 17 September 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

http://imgur.com/a/Y7oIp

The chinese goverment dosent want to fight war with any country, they are hoping this vent of anger by chinese people will gradually die down.

great link i post some images here to show martian this behaviour is not patriotic


Rioters in Qingdao demolish shops.

A Toyota dealership in Shanghai is set on fire

A woman discovers her Japanese brand car has been demolished

[blueazure]

martian what is the update on the Zotye Z300 sedan etc ?  are chinese auto makers in a position to challenge toyota and honda ?

[iwinit]

It is impossible to complete prevent these criminal behavior happening during the protests which are often becoming emotional. However, I do believe it is only a small number of individuals. Most of the protests are peaceful. And they should continue until all Chinese realize that every citizen has a responsibility for his country.

[kmc]

Don't forget any banning of products of Japan will effect Chinese trade with US or EU also which Chinese Govt can't afford for now.

[Martian]

At BlueAzure, Chinese carmakers have the capacity to produce millions of additional cars. If we can force the Japanese out of the domestic Chinese market, we can replace all Japanese car sales with Chinese makes. It is the same effect as Google leaving the Chinese market and having its market share taken by Baidu.

http://www.chinadail...nt_15746071.htm

"Sep 10, 2012 – The study found that the average utilization of capacity among automakers in China has dropped to 67.3 percent today from 85 percent in 2010."

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At KMC, I don't follow your logic.

What does a Chinese boycott of Japanese goods have to do with the U.S. and E.U.?

It seems like you Indians are constantly invoking the U.S. and E.U. for no reason.

This is a boycott of Japanese goods, not American or European goods.

American and European car manufacturers are delighted at the boost to their sales in China, which is the world's largest car market.

http://www.businessw...aler-group-says

"Sales of Japanese-branded passenger cars fell last month in China, compared with gains of more than 10 percent for German, American and South Korean vehicles, according to China Association of Automobile Manufacturers. Nissan, the biggest Japanese automaker by sales in China, said on Sept. 6 that deliveries in the country have been affected as it cut back on marketing events in the wake of anti-Japan demonstrations that first started last month."

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At Gnak, is it necessary for me to post dead bodies of Americans killed by Muslims to prove the difference to you? Are you really that stupid?

American congressmen have smashed Japanese cars and Toshiba products in the past. The Chinese protesters have merely used the same tactics as American congressmen.

On the other hand, you are intentionally trying to smear Chinese people by invoking Muslim violence. Why don't you equate Occupy Wall Street with Muslim violence? The analogy would be equally ridiculous.

http://www.telegraph...land-chain.html

"However, there have been no reports so far of serious injuries to Japanese citizens in China."

[gnak]

Martian, on 17 September 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

At Gnak, is it necessary for me to post dead bodies of Americans killed by Muslims to prove the difference to you? Are you really that stupid?

did me comparing chinese and muslim hurt u that much?

apart from libya where everybody has guns...

this comparison does hold ground

Martian, on 17 September 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

American congressmen have smashed Japanese cars and Toshiba products in the past. The Chinese protesters have merely used the same tactics as American congressmen.

did those congressmen walk down a road and smash every car that was parked there just because it was japanese?

wat do u dun understand about, its a criminal act to destroy private property

[Martian]

At Gnak, you're an anti-China troll. This means I'll ignore all of your future posts.

I gave you the opportunity to expose yourself as anti-Chinese. Anyone can pollute my threads.

You have wasted enough of my time.

[Krad]

lol, as soon as someone posts a counter-opinion to martian.....he say's you are anti-China and that he will ignore what you say.

Basically he is the self-declared legitimate voice of the whole Chinese people and label's dissenting opinions as "anti-China".

Look at the facts, a number of Chinese have acted immaturely here....so they have definitely brought shame upon the Chinese people as a whole.

Destroying private property is a crime, whether done for nefarious purposes or in the heat of emotion.

The cops standing by and letting it happen does not bode well for the general investment climate.

The litmus test will be to see if these are allowed to escalate or if Chinese govt. decides to prosecute these irresponsible members of society.

China cannot afford to start a trade war with Japan....these will inevitably draw in other countries as well.....when China has been working so hard to get fewer trade restrictions to their markets.

[Martian]

Stop posting garbage in my threads

No, his analogy was completely inappropriate. Gnak was trying to besmirch Chinese by smearing us with Muslim killings of Americans. It was obvious what he was trying to do.

You (Krad) are also a well-known anti-China troll.

If this nonsense continues, I will ask the moderators to either ban you two or I will leave this forum.

You two have a choice. Go and create your own anti-Chinese threads in this sub-forum and attract your own readers. I don't appreciate it when trolls like you two (Gnak and Krad) keep posting garbage in my threads.

If I must, I will leave this sub-forum and my readers can continue reading my posts on other forums (e.g. AsiaWind or ChineseDefence).

You two can decide whether you want to keep posting crap in my threads and force the moderators to choose between us.

You don't see me posting crap in your threads. Why are you constantly trolling my threads? You two are as bad as any anti-Chinese Indian troll that I've encountered in the last three years.

This thread is about Sino-Japanese relations. Troll Gnak has derailed it by claiming Chinese protests are equivalent to Muslim protests. Firstly, Muslim protests do not belong in this thread. Secondly, Muslim protesters have killed Americans and created tensions in American-Muslim relations.

Once again, none of that belongs in this thread. In conclusion, Gnak is clearly an anti-China troll who has derailed this thread with his anti-Chinese posts.

In the three years that I have been on PakistaniDefence, I've had problems with only three members.

1. Caesar
2. Gnak
3. Krad

You three anti-China trolls have been relentless in spreading your anti-China propaganda in my threads.

[Krad]

Where did I say I supported his analogy?

It seems YOU are the one that's putting word's in people's mouths and implying links where there were none.

It's also ironic that you follow the Chinese Communist govt. philosophy of sheer autocracy and repression of other views.

Last time I checked, this is a FORUM....where people can come and post in WHICHEVER threads they want to....as long as they stay WITHIN the forum guidelines.

Please show me where either gnak or I have violated the forum guidelines (no personal attacks, spamming etc...) in this thread?

Or are you trying to get a new rule to have only pro-Chinese govt. people post in your threads?

NOTHING has been derailed, we are still VERY on topic, talking about the Chinese response to the Japanese actions and whether it was mature or not.

If you feel that these vandal's actions are deemed worthy of supporting and even encouraging....please say so....but accept that others may not share that opinion.

You starting a thread, does not give you ownership over it. If you want to hear only people singing praises on the Chinese govt. and agreeing with every single thing you say....you are welcome to start another forum and control who can post there.

Seriously, it makes me wonder if you are on the payroll of the Chinese govt... the way you take the slightest criticism to mean something nefarious and illegal and want some kind of ironclad clampdown to deal with it (or leave in a huff if you can't get your way).

It's human emotion that the Chinese people are displaying here.....they are human after all (no different from anyone else in the world)....doesn't mean what some of them did should be excused. Thats why there are LAWS.

[Martian]

Trolling and derailing threads are against the rules on all forums.

You three (Caesar, Gnak, and Krad) are constantly trying to hide behind the rules. That's baloney. You're posting off-topic anti-Chinese crap in my threads.

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General guideline on all forums.

"Trolling". Do not post in order to anger other members or intentionally cause negative reactions. For a given post, this can be a subjective call, but a pattern of such posting or an especially egregious case will get you banned. Basically, don't try to pick fights. Knowingly posting false information is also prohibited.

[iwinit]

It's ok. Let them criticize China/Chinese. These people have lived in Western world for much of their lives and they, just like most westerners, subconsciously put themselve on a moral highland. Just ignore them.

Looting is wrong. There is no excuse for that. But by no means it's the big picture of what's happening in China. Most protesters are peaceful.

Do the few criminals make a bad image for China? It depends on who you are. Those who exagerrate these incidents already had a bad image of China in their minds. Friends of China understand China's anger against Japan and I don't think they will have a negative feeling about China just for few criminals. Having said that, I don't give a damn what people think China's image is. For a long time, I really hate that China always acts as peaceful and tolerating. China needs strong leaders who have balls. Any country that dares to mess with China will have to face revenge from China at whatever economic cost.

[Martian]

No. There is a difference between trolls and people who comment negatively about China.

I don't care about anti-China comments in the proper threads.

I do care about persistent anti-China trolls that try to piggyback off of my threads. I work hard on my posts and these three anti-China free-riders (Caesar, Gnak, and Krad) try to spread their anti-China propaganda off of my hard work.

I rather pack my bags and make my posts on forums that do not permit this sort of unreasonable behavior.

I want to thank Marchpole for his support over the years.

[blueazure]

trolls are best ignored..

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back to topic
a history update on the island issue would be welcome

[Caesar]

Martian, on 17 September 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

In the three years that I have been on PakistaniDefence, I've had problems with only three members.

1. Caesar
2. Gnak
3. Krad

Oh so I am number-1 on  your list of "enemies"  .... I am really Honoured !!

Martian, on 06 September 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

If we can organize Chinese consumers, I bet we can push the Japanese economy into recession.

Japanese economy is already in recession Genius.

Also Japanese have hundreds of factories and businesses in China employing thousands of Chinese not to mention Billions in investment. What are you gonna do, close all these and make your own people unemployed??? You really are a Genius Martian .... keep up the good work !!

[kmc]

Martian, on 17 September 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

At KMC, I don't follow your logic.

What does a Chinese boycott of Japanese goods have to do with the U.S. and E.U.?

It seems like you Indians are constantly invoking the U.S. and E.U. for no reason.

This is a boycott of Japanese goods, not American or European goods.

American and European car manufacturers are delighted at the boost to their sales in China, which is the world's largest car market.

If China bans Japans products then only US & EU will come into picture otherwise they will not.

I hope China will not Let this tension to continue. Let us wait for few more days

Caesar, on 18 September 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

Also Japanese have hundreds of factories and businesses in China employing thousands of Chinese not to mention Billions in investment. What are you gonna do, close all these and make your own people unemployed??? You really are a Genius Martian .... keep up the good work !!

+1

[kmc]

well well China is taking action


China cleans up after angry anti-Japan protests, though tension remains

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In Beijing, the bitterness spilled over to the nearby U.S. Embassy, with about 50 protesters surrounding the car of U.S. Ambassador Gary Locke and trying to block him from entering the compound.

Locke told reporters Wednesday that Chinese authorities were “very quick” to move the demonstrators away.

“It was all over in a matter of minutes, and I never felt in any danger,” he said.

The U.S., a close ally of Japan, has said it is staying out of the territorial dispute.

The incident came amid heightened vigilance for American diplomats following violent attacks on U.S. embassies in Libya, Yemen and Egypt. The embassy said it has asked China’s government to do everything possible to protect American facilities and personne

l.

http://www.washingto...f0e8_story.html

whenever US says it will not mediate it will make sure the gap will widen between disputers.

[Krad]

So any response from the moderators for you martian for your crying?

Or you going to ignore the threats you made to leave this forum (AS USUAL)....because people challenge your opinions.

Stop being such a little crybaby, try arguing back for once instead of looking for moderators to shut down the other voices in this forum.

Otherwise you will convince no one with the "hard work" you do. So called "hard work" being copying and pasting news stories heh.

I guess its hard work for you since you live on the internet and post repeatedly on tons of defense websites....maybe its your job haha.

[clibra]

what Martian proposed is boycott Japs car, not burn it or any other violence.

image posted by gnak is simply violence, it has nothing to do with this thread.

Acturally, violence did happened in the recent anti-jap marches, but most of the marches are peacefull.

[Krad]

Martian said:

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We can't expel the Japanese if we merely hold signs and let the Japanese conduct business as usual. It is imperative to disrupt and shut down Japanese manufacturing plants and retailers. China has ample capacity to replace the Japanese carmakers and electronics sellers.

So mere peaceful protests are not enough.

Disrupting and shutting down plants and retailers requires violence...so I'll leave it to you whether he condones such actions.

Somehow making the parallel between the muslim rage on the movie and this rage of the chinese protestors is not allowed....but he is allowed to make a parallel between chinese people smashing privately owned cars and U.S politicians smashing imported cars in a show (in a controlled, planned and limited way).

The majority of the muslim protests are also peaceful....just like the Chinese protests.

Yes people have died unlike the Chinese one (thankfully)....but that doesn't mean that there is not some degree of similarity between the two reactions....in both cases, the excesses are both prompted by human nature and are unforgivable.

[gnak]

Innocent Bystander Seriously Injured Amid Anti-Japan Protest

51-year-old Li Jianli was bludgeoned over the head by a steel implement just because he was driving — with his family — a Japanese car. He is now partially paralyzed.



a video of “9·15” Xi’an Japanese car owner Li Jianli severely injured in beating has been revealed/exposed. This video features a relatively complete recording of the incident, further restoring the truth. This video shows that after the Corolla was surrounded, Li Jianli had a brick in his hand protecting his car, had a conflict with the suspected criminal, and was knocked to the ground after being hit 4 times by the latter.

below, this is the douche responsible for the attack....

[PakShah]

On the Diaoyu Islands conflict, I give the Chinese my moral support.

THe Chinese should reject Japanese goods the same way Pakistanis reject Indian goods.

[iwinit]

PakShah, on 29 September 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

On the Diaoyu Islands conflict, I give the Chinese my moral support.

THe Chinese should reject Japanese goods the same way Pakistanis reject Indian goods.

Thank you!

[michael2000]

gnak, on 29 September 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

    Innocent Bystander Seriously Injured Amid Anti-Japan Protest

51-year-old Li Jianli was bludgeoned over the head by a steel implement just because he was driving — with his family — a Japanese car. He is now partially paralyzed.

Is this the result of  5000 years of civilization?

Video:


In the video you can hear the broken bone...crack...crack...

[kmc]

gnak, on 29 September 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

Innocent Bystander Seriously Injured Amid Anti-Japan Protest

51-year-old Li Jianli was bludgeoned over the head by a steel implement just because he was driving — with his family — a Japanese car. He is now partially paralyzed.



a video of “9·15” Xi’an Japanese car owner Li Jianli severely injured in beating has been revealed/exposed. This video features a relatively complete recording of the incident, further restoring the truth. This video shows that after the Corolla was surrounded, Li Jianli had a brick in his hand protecting his car, had a conflict with the suspected criminal, and was knocked to the ground after being hit 4 times by the latter.

seen lot in my place, but never............................... had in such a helplessness

[rungroot]

China should just invade and retake it.  Show the world that the dragon had awaken.