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[KudosBot]

CAME TO POST THIS.....





Saudis 'mull buying nukes from Pakistan'

King Abdallah of Saudi Arabia met Pakistan's prime minister, Raja Pervez Ashraf, in Jeddah a few days ago as Riyadh began sending its Special Forces to Pakistan for training.

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, July 25 (UPI) -- King Abdallah of Saudi Arabia met Pakistani Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf in Jeddah a few days ago as Riyadh began sending its Special Forces to Pakistan for training.

The Islamic countries, both dominated by the mainstream Sunni sect, have long had a particularly close relationship and these events heightened speculation Riyadh is trying to strike a secret deal with Islamabad to acquire nuclear weapons to counter Iran.

Abdallah's surprise July 19 appointment of Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the kingdom's ambassador in Washington in 1983-2005 and a veteran of its usually clandestine security policy, as his new intelligence chief may be part of murky mosaic linking Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Bandar played a key role in the clandestine arming of by the United States and Saudi Arabia, via Pakistan's intelligence service, of the Afghan mujahedin during the 1969-79 Soviet invasion.

Bandar's appointment as the head of Saudi Arabia's General Intelligence Presidency, its foreign intelligence service, was one of several critical security related command changes made in recent days.

These took place as the kingdom, the world's largest oil exporter, faces a swarm of regional challenges, the most prominent of which is nuclear wannabe Iran.

As the confrontation between the United States and Iran over Tehran nuclear program builds up in the Persian Gulf, Riyadh is increasingly looking eastward to longtime ally Pakistan, the only nuclear Muslim power, for support.

"As Iran becomes more dangerous and the United States becomes more reluctant to engage in military missions overseas, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia may find that renewed military and nuclear cooperation is the best way to secure their interests," observed Christopher Clary and Mara E. Karlin, former U.S. Defense Department policy advisers on South Asia and the Middle East.

Writing in The American Interest, they noted: "As the United States re-examines its military posture toward South Asia and the Middle East in the context of its withdrawals from Iraq and Afghanistan, it must explicitly consider the possibility of a Saudi-Pakistan nuclear bargain.

"The failure to take such a scenario seriously could promote its occurrence."

U.S. plans to effectively withdraw militarily from Afghanistan in mid-2013, as it did in Iraq last December, have intensified Pakistani concerns about Islamic jihadists.

This mirrors Saudi suspicions that after Iraq and Afghanistan it can no longer rely on the United States for protection.

The Saudis too face a jihadist threat, particularly from al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula that's based in neighboring Yemen.

It's long been believed that the Saudis bankrolled Pakistan's nuclear program, in the 1970s and '80s and now wants some reciprocity in the shape of readymade nuclear weapons, paid for by massive financial aid for Islamabad.

Israel's Debkafile Web site, considered close to Israeli intelligence and which sometimes posts reports considered to be disinformation, claimed in December 2010 that Pakistan has set aside two nuclear weapons for Saudi Arabia.

These, it said, are believed to be stored at Pakistan's nuclear air base at Kamra in the north.

At least two giant Saudi transport planes sporting civilian colors and no insignia are parked permanently at Kamra with aircrews on standby," Debka reported.

"They will fly the nuclear weapons home upon receipt of a double-coded signal from King Abdallah and the director of General Intelligence," who now happens to be Prince Bandar, reported to be close to the monarch.

The Saudis have of late portrayed their high-tension rivalry with the Iranians as a new, menacing chapter in the 1,300-year-old struggle between Sunni and Shiite Islam.

"The stakes are enormous," says Bruce Reidel, a former counter-terrorism specialist with the CIA wrote in the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel.

"Pakistan has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. It will soon surpass the United Kingdom as the fifth-largest nuclear arsenal.

"It's the sixth-largest country in the world in terms of population. It will soon surpass Indonesia as the country with the largest Muslim population."

A leading Saudi royal, Prince Turki al-Faisal, who headed the GIP in 1977-2001, warned U.S. and British military chiefs meeting outside London June 8, 2011, that Tehran's acquisition of nuclear arms "would compel Saudi Arabia ... to pursue policies which could lead to untold and possibly dramatic consequences."

[sobank]

Notice that there is no base for the news.

[Magnus]

UPI junter munter writing style


Bandar played a key role in the clandestine arming of by the United States and Saudi Arabia, via Pakistan's intelligence service, of the Afghan mujahedin during the 1969-79 Soviet

invasion.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/T.../#ixzz21hRiR4xc

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as Riyadh began sending its Special Forces to Pakistan for training.

Reason: experiences in Yemen.

Edited by Magnus, 25 July 2012 - 10:40 PM.

[SaudiArabian]

I've reached the conclusion that UPI.com speaks lots of gibberish when it comes to KSA

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as Riyadh began sending its Special Forces to Pakistan for training.

KSA was sending its forces to Pakistan several years before that war even started.

Edited by Shehz, 27 July 2012 - 04:47 PM.

[rungroot]

Magnus, on 25 July 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

UPI junter munter writing style


Bandar played a key role in the clandestine arming of by the United States and Saudi Arabia, via Pakistan's intelligence service, of the Afghan mujahedin during the 1969-79 Soviet

invasion.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/T...46;./#ixzz21hRiR4xc



Reason: experiences in Yemen.

Woh to sab theek hay but what's up with  half naked dudes ???  What're  they, Yemeni special  forces???
And what the hell are they eating, what is that,  raw meat ???

[Magnus]

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Woh to sab theek hay but what's up with half naked dudes ???

Survival training

Saudis ^^

Raw meat (yep)

[1Pakistani]

rungroot, on 26 July 2012 - 05:26 AM, said:

Woh to sab theek hay but what's up with  half naked dudes ???  What're  they, Yemeni special  forces???
And what the hell are they eating, what is that,  raw meat ???

Yes raw meat. In one of ISPR drama regarding Swat operationg SSG trainees are made to eat raw meat and blood.

[waz]

The story is a complete BS. Pakistan will never gives nuclear weapons to any state. However a nuclear umbrella to the Saudis may have some truth.

As for the rest, being able to obtain raw meat and blood is considered a luxury, on combat duty. Even if you had access to it cooking it on an open flame would not take long.  What they should be eating is boiled leaves and assorted nuts.....

[SaudiArabian]

waz, on 26 July 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

As for the rest, being able to obtain raw meat and blood is considered a luxury, on combat duty. Even if you had access to it cooking it on an open flame would not take long.  What they should be eating is boiled leaves and assorted nuts.....

yaar they shouldn't be doing any of that garbage. Saudi Special Forces are trained on surviving on eating snakes and scorpions and worms and lizards and anything they can find in the Saudi mostly-desert environment.

troops should be trained on joint team-work, sharpshooting to make every bullet counts and tactics. not eating rabbits raw meat.

this sort of classical traditional pointless training doesn't win wars.

[safdar]

waz, on 26 July 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

The story is a complete BS. Pakistan will never gives nuclear weapons to any state. However a nuclear umbrella to the Saudis may have some truth.

Its more like nuclear sharing, for example Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Turkey all have nuclear stock and weapons to deploy at their behest.

Lets say if Iran acquires nuclear weapons and threatens KSA. Would you expect Pakistan to step in the middle and take the bullet or give some weapons to KSA and expect MAD to prevail?

KSA getting pak nukes isnt going to weaken Pakistan but make it stronger.

[caliph]

safdar, on 26 July 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

KSA getting pak nukes isnt going to weaken Pakistan but make it stronger.

++++1

[HKK]

safdar, on 26 July 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

Its more like nuclear sharing, for example Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Turkey all have nuclear stock and weapons to deploy at their behest.

Lets say if Iran acquires nuclear weapons and threatens KSA. Would you expect Pakistan to step in the middle and take the bullet or give some weapons to KSA and expect MAD to prevail?

KSA getting pak nukes isnt going to weaken Pakistan but make it stronger.

As long as Pakistan got firm control over the nukes deployed in SA. With all due respects to saudis, they got to much ingress of yanks and any Pakistani nuke outside Pakistan can easily come to hunt us back if used in some sort of flase flag operation.

[safdar]

HKK, on 27 July 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

As long as Pakistan got firm control over the nukes deployed in SA.

Of course, we could hold on to the launch codes just like NATO does for other non-nuclear states with nukes, also maintain the nukes. But if KSA is considering then its only a matter of time before America steps in and offers KSA a even better deal. Just like KSA is considering nuclear energy to free up subsidised oil America is the first one to muscle in on the deal.

[Felicius]

SaudiArabian, on 26 July 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

I've reached the conclusion that UPI.com speaks lots of gibberish when it comes to KSA



KSA was sending its forces to Pakistan several years before that war even started.

So Saudi forces don't come to Pakistan for training any longer?

[rungroot]

On a side note, I think that Pakistan should sell 50 or so nuclear warheads to ksa but for a billion a piece (that'll settle our national debt)
  But the warheads should be made hacker proof and the guidance coordinates should be hard coded to israel so that the Saudis can't nuke Iran.  We should also sell a dozen or so nukes to Iran in exchange for unlimited supply of oil but hard code the guidance coordinates to israel so that they can't nuke Saudi Arabia.   See? Problem solved, all three of us (Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia) will be happy with israel being the only looser.  We have well over 200 warheads I think and can afford to sell a few.

Hey it'll be like a male-female-male porno 3some between the Saudis, Iranis and the israelis (just guess which one is the female getting reamed left and right)!!!  

Pakistanis can be the cameraman!!!

[SaudiArabian]

Shehz, on 27 July 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

So Saudi forces don't come to Pakistan for training any longer?

they still do.

point being is that sending them to Pakistan for training is NOT a consequence of the Houthi-Saudi war as that UPI.com article claims.

[Caesar]

Saudis are probably the biggest terrorist nation ..... WHY??

Think about this, most of 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, Terrorist Osama Bin Laden was Saudi, most of the main Al Queda leaders are Saudis, most of the terrorists in Afghanistan are SAUDIS -- EVEN A KID KNOWS THESE SAUDIS ARE THE TERRORISTS, and a terrrosit state collorabating with the West to spread terrorism.

Saudis are the single biggest source of terrorism in Pakistan.

JUST LOOK AT THE FACTS AND THERE WILL REMAIN NO DOUBT WHO THE REAL TERRORISTS ARE.

[platinum786]

Pakistan should not sell anyone nuclear weapons. If anyone wants nuclear weapons, they should grow a set of stones, and then produce their own. Pakistan if asked should help KSA setup their own plants for the production of nuclear weapons.Muslim countries should have the courage to become nuclearised nations. Especially since we can use Iran's ambitions as a drama to give them a "reason". If Pakistan, Iran, KSA and Turkey were nuclear armed the dynamics of the world would change in our favour.

Edited by platinum786, 28 July 2012 - 06:07 AM.

[butterfly]

No pointing selling nukes as the PPP will eat the money regardless. A deal should be set up wher Pak nukes forces are active in Saudi Arabia and in return Saudi airforce are active in Pakistan. If one country is attacked then they both must respond. This is whe we Muslims will move forward. Additionally Pakistani workers should be given preference for Saudi labour and our agri products and we buy more petro chem products from KSA.

[SLD10]

not worthy to deploy any strategic armament there ! there are many jews who looks like arabs. And for sure SA is infested....

[Felicius]

[SaudiArabian]

Shehz, on 04 August 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

+1

[Simpleton]

What a sad state of affair, weapons of mass destruction peddled or sought by a Muslim country from a Muslim country to target a Muslim country, while a Muslim country with said weapons was alleged to provide know how in the recent past to a Muslim country to perhaps use it in a scenario against a Muslim country or against a non Muslim country with a sizeable Muslim adjacent population, with the repurcussion of pulling in US/NATO into another conflagaration on Muslim lands with majority Muslim casualties.  It would be better if all Muslim countries shared and collaborated on a mutal defense pact under a shared nuclear umbrella.

[Synergy]

Experiential reality shows Saudi Arabia to be a clear friend of Pakistan, and Raafidi Iran to be a naked and open enemy. Only one with an ulterior agenda would dispute this.

[MoThSmOkE]

Becho yaar, ek nuke pe 1 billion $.

[PakSniper786]

Synergy, on 14 August 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

Experiential reality shows Saudi Arabia to be a clear friend of Pakistan, and Raafidi Iran to be a naked and open enemy. Only one with an ulterior agenda would dispute this.

It's quite funny how we Muslims are thinking these days, Oh! The Saudi's are our friends, the Iranians are our enemies.  We need to realize that at this point in time with the current setup there are no friends just permanent interests, if you've still not figured it out then reality in the near future will pull its rugs from under your feet.

One thing about Saudi lovers, is how they blast the Iranian lovers, while they love the Saudi's just as much as an Iranian lover.

[MoThSmOkE]

What can you say? The Saudi and Iranian funding has brainwashed us PDF simpletons as well.

[Synergy]

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It's quite funny how we Muslims are thinking these days, Oh! The Saudi's are our friends, the Iranians are our enemies.  We need to realize that at this point in time with the current setup there are no friends just permanent interests, if you've still not figured it out then reality in the near future will pull its rugs from under your feet.

Thank you, but you aren't bringing any new, profound revelation. This is the Strategic sub-forum. What did you think I meant by 'friend'? Holding hands and swapping Pokemon stickers in the school playground?

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One thing about Saudi lovers, is how they blast the Iranian lovers, while they love the Saudi's just as much as an Iranian lover.

Please save your naive "Pakistan First" attempt for anonymous forum posters who buy it. Good thing that those who matter in Pakistan see no equating between "Saudi Lovers" and "Iranian Lovers", and are well aware of the reality.