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[Skull-Buster]

^^^ Interesting point to note that with this move, Pakistan is effectively telling the world that CIA is linked to the militant outfits in Pakistan.

[Felicius]

Skull-Buster, on 30 May 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

^^^ Interesting point to note that with this move, Pakistan is effectively telling the world that CIA is linked to the militant outfits in Pakistan.

It just fell in to place. I doubt the nitwits even realized it until now (till they read your post - "oh yeah that too!").

[Reality Bites]

Just finished watching "Aaj Kamran Kay Saath" and I never expected that my prediction willcome true so quickly.  Now Shakeel Afridi is claiming that he did not collect any samples that could lead directly to OBL or his family, if true then who was living in that house and who got killed.

So this episode kills the last evidence of OBL being in that house.

RB

[Ababeel]

dont know what to make of this, but this is second time this Zaki Khalid fellow is reporting form so called anonymous offical.

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Exclusive: More disclosures of the Abbottabad fiasco from Pakistani security officials

Terminal X Director and Chief Intelligence Analyst Zaki Khalid has received further input from Pakistani intelligence officials about the actual events that took place during the ominous Abbottabad raid last year. Following is the commentary by the scribe himself and his communication with two ISI officials in continuation of a previous interview which was posted earlier. We make it clear that the views expressed by the officials may not necessarily reflect those of Pakistan’s intelligence directorate.
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A security official from Pakistan’s premier intelligence directorate has said that during the fiasco that took place on May 2 2011, one of the Sikorsky stealth choppers that had the actual SEAL “Kill Team” on-board was not even allowed to land. On the contrary, it was subjected to a take-out fire from the Pakistani side. The Sikorsky chopper tried its best to pick up altitude before crashing in a bid to escape the area but during the process, more than a dozen SEALs jumped off from the height and fell on the ground. The chopper was detonated by the Navy SEALs themselves and in this process, all the SEAL team members were burnt alive and eventually dead. Their roasted corpses were mutilated and spread out around the alleged compound of Osama bin Laden. After that detonation, the area transformed into an ‘Ultra Red Zone‘.

A US Army Chinook came to quickly pick up the dead officers. By this time, I have been told, Pakistan’s Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani was fully informed of the situation at hand. This scribe has further been told that near the alleged compound is ‘a very sensitive asset‘ of the Pakistan military whose identity was kept classified. Fearing danger to the said asset, General Kayani immediately issued orders for 2 F-16s of the Pakistan Air Force to rush towards the nearby asset and hover over it.

As soon as the first stealth chopper crashed, the other rushed back immediately. The security official notes that there was a Pakistani Police mobile unit nearby that managed to fire some shots at the Chinook which managed to escape. The Infantry’s Quick Response Force based inside the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul was still far away.
The official noted that American military officials claimed Operation ‘Neptune Spear’ continued for 20 minutes after the first chopper’s crash. The official asked me, in a curious manner, “Does this mean the ghosts of the dead SEALs carried out the operation?”

After the Police van’s attempt to bring down the Chinook, two minutes passed by and the Commanding Officer of the Quick Response Force and Regional Officer Commanding ISI were present on the spot. In a few minutes, the ISI dispatched a rapid briefing to the GHQ in Rawalpindi with this most important line, “A foreign aircraft is flying over the airspace of Abbottabad”(referring to the Chinook that came for backup but was not allowed to land).

The official, while continuing to share vital information, said that barely a few seconds had passed after the brief was sent to the GHQ that a high-command was issued from General Kayani to the then Air Chief Rao Qamar Suleiman, “Engage and Kill”. People claim the F16s took flight at 1:05 am that night whereas the actual situation at hand was that General Kayani feared for the protection of the sensitive asset near that alleged compound. This makes it clear that the Pakistan Army was not aware of the actual ’Neptune Spear’ fiasco but rather inferred that foreign aircraft must have penetrated into Abbottabad’s airspace to attack the said asset. The Army’s top hierarchy was focusing solely on the protection of that asset whose destruction could have caused a major blow to the Pakistani military.
Says an investigating officer of the ISI, “I do not think the first chopper (Sikorsky) was fired upon. It might be that a SEAL must have planted explosives inside the chopper himself and jumped off to give a dramatic zest to the whole staged play”.

Meanwhile, the official who shared the backdrop of this story chipped in to add that in his personal opinion, what the investigating officer said can really be true. This, he says, is because ISI officials found a bag laden with explosives next to the compound. The official said it was similar to a proxy mine.

“The people present in the compound had their mouths taped and hands tied. They were not caged”, said the official. “If they were kept in custody (by the Americans) for such a long time, as claimed by US officials in the media that the operation was planned back in 2006, then the“terrorists” should have been locked up or caged. They were seized but not caged which directly leads us to believe the people arrested were simply play-along assets “pawns in the game”. Also, strains of Osama bin Laden’s DNA could also have been planted. And who better to do this handiwork than a doctor. In this case, the CIA’s asset, Dr. Shakil Afridi”.

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Note: Another disclosure on this issue will be made available soon.

http://pakdefenceunit.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/exclusive-more-disclosures-of-the-abbottabad-fiasco-from-Pakistani-security-officials/

[faizan khaliq]

Possibility is that actual operation was aimed at that '' sensitive installation'' and after losing seals and a chopper it was renamed for OBL killing? This story tells that all Yanks managed was destruction of Choper and recovery of dead bodies followed by successful withdrawal.

[Felicius]

Well, that theory is only plausible if we ignore the wives and dead son of OBL in that fiasco, as if they weren't there in that compound at all!

[Reality Bites]

faizan khaliq, on 31 May 2012 - 05:05 AM, said:

Possibility is that actual operation was aimed at that '' sensitive installation'' and after losing seals and a chopper it was renamed for OBL killing? This story tells that all Yanks managed was destruction of Choper and recovery of dead bodies followed by successful withdrawal.

I think that is what General Kiyani hinted on after a few days when he said that "we averted a big loss to nation by letting them go". You never know if there were local ground support already planted.

After reading this article, attack on Mehran action base might have been the second in the series.

RB

[platinum786]

I wouldn't read too much into these "leaks and exclusives". It could well be strategically placed misinformation my the armed forces, to stop them looking like, weak, unprepared sell outs. If this is the case, why play along with the Osama drama?

[Reality Bites]

platinum786, on 31 May 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

I wouldn't read too much into these "leaks and exclusives". It could well be strategically placed misinformation my the armed forces, to stop them looking like, weak, unprepared sell outs. If this is the case, why play along with the Osama drama?

Plati,

It is not necessarily disputing your opinion, but just a question: Based on the recent history of events, yes it seems understandable why people doubt top leadership of PA but is there credible evidence that they are sell outs?

Just curious

RB

[platinum786]

Nobody can say for sure, but it sure seems that way sometimes.

[HKK]

Apparently this kanjar used to be the middleman between the TTP terrorists and cia.


http://ummat.com.pk/...012/05/31/7471/

[SUPARCO]

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[Magnus]

Bill links aid to Dr. Afridi's release

WASHINGTON: US Senator Rand Paul has introduced legislation in the Senate which seeks to eliminate aid to Pakistan until the conviction of Dr. Shakil Afridi is overturned and he is released.

Paul has submitted another bill which seeks to grant Afridi US citizenship for his efforts in leading the United States to Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad.

Last week, Paul wrote a letter to US President Barack Obama, urging a delay in the release of foreign military financing to the government of Pakistan, and to hold all aid until Afridi, the informant who assisted intelligence services in identifying the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden, is released.

Earlier US State Department Spokesman Mark Toner said that the United States was still waiting for clarification from Pakistan regarding Dr. Afridi’s case. Last week it was revealed that Dr. Afridi was sentenced for his ties with a banned organization and not for helping the CIA in the hunt for Osama bin Laden.

http://www.thenews.c...Afridis-release

[Tipu-786]

I am reading this thread some are in favour of Dr Afridi ,  just a question what right does that mean, being a free democratic Pakistan we do what ever we like ...   Ehhhh  that mean one can sign or take on any job from outsiders with blind eye and follow their instruction for green $'s  without knowing what they going to do and who they are going to harm .. at the end claim that i know nothing  or i even don't know  i have a luliee and i am a man ... Buddy just gather your thoughts on that you guys might be good debater but think seriously what you saying.

  I am also in favour that people like Dr Afridi should be made a example must be given toughest punishment and we should educate our self that our smallest mistake in love of green money could lead to unthinkable disasters.....  

  onthe other hand why Dr Afridi become so important for uncle sam, coz they want more and more people like Dr Afridi who betrayed the nation  helping them and giving them what ever information and work they want. just imagine if you done some thing like that in usa   you will be vanished under patriotic law....  no media no news........

[SUPARCO]

Salaam,

At this rate, tomorrow they'll be linking a bill to aid for disarmament of Pakistani nuclear infrastructure.

Salaam