Indian Missiles are Superior to Chinese in Quality, Says Expert
After India successfully testfired its first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) Agni-5 a week ago, there were mixed reactions from all over the world. Although the West certainly acknowledged India's missile growth, the other end of the world does not seem very happy about it.
It definitely changed certain equations between troubled neighbours India and China. Some of the immediate psychological effects were already felt in media reports from both countries.
The official response from the Chinese government was more or less straight whereas the test did not go down well with the Chinese media. Much of the media reported how the Chinese nuclear arsenal is quite stronger than that of India and how India is no match for China.
However, Srikanth Kondapalli, an expert on India-China relations and a professor in Chinese studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, is of a slightly different opinion.
Kondapalli says: "No doubt when it comes to quantity, Chinese missiles are overwhelmingly superior. But when it comes to the quality of the missiles Indian missiles have a slight advantage over Chinese missiles due to certain reasons."
China has 47 ICBMs, 800 IRBMs (Intermediate-range Ballistic Missile) and 1,500 SRBM (Short-range Ballistic Missiles).
Kondappalli cites three main factors on why Indian missiles have a slight advantage over its counterpart.
Propellant
Most of the Chinese missiles are liquid propellants whereas many of the Indian missiles are solid propellant including the recently launched Agni-5.
Liquid propellants take 10 days to 2 weeks to fill the barrels in order to ready the missiles and there is no surprise in doing that and this will be a delayed strike. But Indian missiles can strike anytime from anywhere.
Accuracy
When it comes to accuracy level of the missiles, once again the Indian missiles score over the Chinese. The Circular Error Probable (CEP) of India specific "DF21" missiles which are deployed in traditional Tibet is much lower compared to India's China-specific missile.
The Chinese missiles are in the inaccuracy range 600 metres while Indian missiles have an inaccuracy of 20 metres. This means Indian missiles have a higher probability of hitting the target right.
MIRV
Many of the Indian missiles have the technology of Multiple Independently Targetable re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) in them. In simpler terms, one carrier can launch more than one missile, say 10 missiles and at 10 different targeting locations. And this cannot be shot down.
The effectiveness of such missiles were already seen when Saddam Hussein used them during the Iraq-Israel war. Once again very few Chinese missiles have this technology when compared to India.
Kondapalli says: "Imagine if you throw 10 stones and I will retaliate with only one stone but both are creating the same effect on each other. India is in such an advantage."
Amid fears of the western powers joining hands with India, China is trying hard to avoid such situation.
"In the background of the talks happening between India, US and Japan, in the background of 10-year defence cooperation in 2005, in the background of the 123 civil nuclear agreement between the US and India, in the background of Malabar exercises, the Chinese statement on India getting trapped by the western powers looks obvious," says Kondapalli.
Also, even the official position of the Chinese is trying to divert attention. The recently launched Agni-5 which has a range of 5,000 kilometres is bound to be China-specific. Even though the official information from the Indian authorities does not state it in so many words, it seems quite clear while reading between the lines.
On the contrary, Chinese authorities claim the recent Agni-5 has a range of 8,000 kilometres and it is Europe-specific. This is clearly to divert global attention from the real issue and trying to isolate India from other nations, according to Kondapalli.
None of the government statements, journals, policies and not even the India media stated it is Europe-specific.
"Although no one would want to state it explicitly, the subscript is the US, India and Japan are ganging up against China. This could be the logical inference," Kondapalli says.
Adding to that, China has territorial disputes with Japan and has disputes with India over oil wells and staple visa issues. These frictions are constant with all other nations which is because China did not maintain a healthy relationship with them, concludes Kondapalli.
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Indian Missiles Are Superior To Chinese In Quality
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:43 PM
what the hell is this idiot talking about. China has been deploying solid fuel MIRVs since 2006. And this idiot thinks that they are in better state than china. American defence department suspected it in 2006 that they are making LACM with nukes (per wiki).
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:50 PM
sobank, on 27 April 2012 - 11:43 PM, said:
what the hell is he talking about china has been deploying solid fuel MIRVs since 2006. And this idiot thinks that they are in better state than china.
Chinese do have solid fuel MIRV's but thats why Mr.Kondapalli is saying that "Most of the Chinese Missiles are liquid fuel"...besides other two factors are also there which he is citing like Accuracy and MIRV
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:06 AM
India is working with Russia in missile production and there is no doubt that Russians have one of the most sophisticated missile technologies. So if we look it like that then I guess we can believe that. Some one please post the detail parameters of Chinese and Indian Missile so that we can discuss that easily. "
@ vishwaprasad why dont you do that for the sake of transparency?
@ vishwaprasad why dont you do that for the sake of transparency?
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:29 AM
vishwaprasad, on 27 April 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:
Chinese do have solid fuel MIRV's but thats why Mr.Kondapalli is saying that "Most of the Chinese Missiles are liquid fuel"...besides other two factors are also there which he is citing like Accuracy and MIRV
The thing I really hate about you indians is your pathetic state of mind. You are one of those sub-intgelligent species who just keep of talking rubbish and keep on using the word BUT. You have no logic, you have no reasoning, you have no courage, you have no honour or dignity. You as a nation are a bunch of eunuchs.
Humanity's past on this planet is based on the biggest Lie in History--and the same Lie will destroy humans in future! The Truth is infront of us and yet we refuse to accept it, we refuse to see it, we refuse to listen to it. Humans are intelligent and yet the dumbest beings ever!
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:50 AM
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Indian Missiles are Superior to Chinese in Quality, Says Expert
After India successfully testfired its first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) Agni-5 a week ago, there were mixed reactions from all over the world. Although the West certainly acknowledged India's missile growth, the other end of the world does not seem very happy about it.
It definitely changed certain equations between troubled neighbours India and China. Some of the immediate psychological effects were already felt in media reports from both countries.
The official response from the Chinese government was more or less straight whereas the test did not go down well with the Chinese media. Much of the media reported how the Chinese nuclear arsenal is quite stronger than that of India and how India is no match for China.
However, Srikanth Kondapalli, an expert on India-China relations and a professor in Chinese studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, is of a slightly different opinion.
Kondapalli says: "No doubt when it comes to quantity, Chinese missiles are overwhelmingly superior. But when it comes to the quality of the missiles Indian missiles have a slight advantage over Chinese missiles due to certain reasons."
China has 47 ICBMs, 800 IRBMs (Intermediate-range Ballistic Missile) and 1,500 SRBM (Short-range Ballistic Missiles).
Kondappalli cites three main factors on why Indian missiles have a slight advantage over its counterpart.
Propellant
Most of the Chinese missiles are liquid propellants whereas many of the Indian missiles are solid propellant including the recently launched Agni-5.
Liquid propellants take 10 days to 2 weeks to fill the barrels in order to ready the missiles and there is no surprise in doing that and this will be a delayed strike. But Indian missiles can strike anytime from anywhere.
Accuracy
When it comes to accuracy level of the missiles, once again the Indian missiles score over the Chinese. The Circular Error Probable (CEP) of India specific "DF21" missiles which are deployed in traditional Tibet is much lower compared to India's China-specific missile.
The Chinese missiles are in the inaccuracy range 600 metres while Indian missiles have an inaccuracy of 20 metres. This means Indian missiles have a higher probability of hitting the target right.
MIRV
Many of the Indian missiles have the technology of Multiple Independently Targetable re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) in them. In simpler terms, one carrier can launch more than one missile, say 10 missiles and at 10 different targeting locations. And this cannot be shot down.
The effectiveness of such missiles were already seen when Saddam Hussein used them during the Iraq-Israel war. Once again very few Chinese missiles have this technology when compared to India.
Kondapalli says: "Imagine if you throw 10 stones and I will retaliate with only one stone but both are creating the same effect on each other. India is in such an advantage."
Amid fears of the western powers joining hands with India, China is trying hard to avoid such situation.
"In the background of the talks happening between India, US and Japan, in the background of 10-year defence cooperation in 2005, in the background of the 123 civil nuclear agreement between the US and India, in the background of Malabar exercises, the Chinese statement on India getting trapped by the western powers looks obvious," says Kondapalli.
Also, even the official position of the Chinese is trying to divert attention. The recently launched Agni-5 which has a range of 5,000 kilometres is bound to be China-specific. Even though the official information from the Indian authorities does not state it in so many words, it seems quite clear while reading between the lines.
On the contrary, Chinese authorities claim the recent Agni-5 has a range of 8,000 kilometres and it is Europe-specific. This is clearly to divert global attention from the real issue and trying to isolate India from other nations, according to Kondapalli.
None of the government statements, journals, policies and not even the India media stated it is Europe-specific.
"Although no one would want to state it explicitly, the subscript is the US, India and Japan are ganging up against China. This could be the logical inference," Kondapalli says.
Adding to that, China has territorial disputes with Japan and has disputes with India over oil wells and staple visa issues. These frictions are constant with all other nations which is because China did not maintain a healthy relationship with them, concludes Kondapalli.
After India successfully testfired its first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) Agni-5 a week ago, there were mixed reactions from all over the world. Although the West certainly acknowledged India's missile growth, the other end of the world does not seem very happy about it.
It definitely changed certain equations between troubled neighbours India and China. Some of the immediate psychological effects were already felt in media reports from both countries.
The official response from the Chinese government was more or less straight whereas the test did not go down well with the Chinese media. Much of the media reported how the Chinese nuclear arsenal is quite stronger than that of India and how India is no match for China.
However, Srikanth Kondapalli, an expert on India-China relations and a professor in Chinese studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, is of a slightly different opinion.
Kondapalli says: "No doubt when it comes to quantity, Chinese missiles are overwhelmingly superior. But when it comes to the quality of the missiles Indian missiles have a slight advantage over Chinese missiles due to certain reasons."
China has 47 ICBMs, 800 IRBMs (Intermediate-range Ballistic Missile) and 1,500 SRBM (Short-range Ballistic Missiles).
Kondappalli cites three main factors on why Indian missiles have a slight advantage over its counterpart.
Propellant
Most of the Chinese missiles are liquid propellants whereas many of the Indian missiles are solid propellant including the recently launched Agni-5.
Liquid propellants take 10 days to 2 weeks to fill the barrels in order to ready the missiles and there is no surprise in doing that and this will be a delayed strike. But Indian missiles can strike anytime from anywhere.
Accuracy
When it comes to accuracy level of the missiles, once again the Indian missiles score over the Chinese. The Circular Error Probable (CEP) of India specific "DF21" missiles which are deployed in traditional Tibet is much lower compared to India's China-specific missile.
The Chinese missiles are in the inaccuracy range 600 metres while Indian missiles have an inaccuracy of 20 metres. This means Indian missiles have a higher probability of hitting the target right.
MIRV
Many of the Indian missiles have the technology of Multiple Independently Targetable re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) in them. In simpler terms, one carrier can launch more than one missile, say 10 missiles and at 10 different targeting locations. And this cannot be shot down.
The effectiveness of such missiles were already seen when Saddam Hussein used them during the Iraq-Israel war. Once again very few Chinese missiles have this technology when compared to India.
Kondapalli says: "Imagine if you throw 10 stones and I will retaliate with only one stone but both are creating the same effect on each other. India is in such an advantage."
Amid fears of the western powers joining hands with India, China is trying hard to avoid such situation.
"In the background of the talks happening between India, US and Japan, in the background of 10-year defence cooperation in 2005, in the background of the 123 civil nuclear agreement between the US and India, in the background of Malabar exercises, the Chinese statement on India getting trapped by the western powers looks obvious," says Kondapalli.
Also, even the official position of the Chinese is trying to divert attention. The recently launched Agni-5 which has a range of 5,000 kilometres is bound to be China-specific. Even though the official information from the Indian authorities does not state it in so many words, it seems quite clear while reading between the lines.
On the contrary, Chinese authorities claim the recent Agni-5 has a range of 8,000 kilometres and it is Europe-specific. This is clearly to divert global attention from the real issue and trying to isolate India from other nations, according to Kondapalli.
None of the government statements, journals, policies and not even the India media stated it is Europe-specific.
"Although no one would want to state it explicitly, the subscript is the US, India and Japan are ganging up against China. This could be the logical inference," Kondapalli says.
Adding to that, China has territorial disputes with Japan and has disputes with India over oil wells and staple visa issues. These frictions are constant with all other nations which is because China did not maintain a healthy relationship with them, concludes Kondapalli.
Nothing would be more pleasing to the Chinese and other anti-Indian elements to let them believe their own superiority over their launch of Agni-V. Now they feel invincible as if nothing can touch them which I am totally comfortable with.
It is better for India's adversaries not to respond to such Indian belief. Such belief is meant to be India's downfall. We should make every effort to help reinforce it and work on ways to counter them, secretly.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:55 AM
vishwaprasad, on 27 April 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:
"Imagine if you throw 10 stones and I will retaliate with only one stone but both are creating the same effect on each other. India is in such an advantage."
Yes, please do imagine it. Really do it.
I imagined it, and I visualized 10 destroyed Indian towns. Smoking ghost towns, end of life.
On the other hand, Indian missile didn't do anything as China has effective anti-missile batteries, that stopped the Indian missile dead on her tracks.
What quality and quantity of anti-missile batteries does India have?
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:46 AM
The Quality remark is weak however Chinese have only seriously fixated themselves on MIRVs after DF-21D.
DF-41 (In development - 10 warheads) Mobile unlike SS-18
DF-31 (Configs: 1 , 3 , 5 depending on payload)
DF-21 (India Specific)("Solid Fuelled") Used to be single warhead, however, that changed a while ago.
http://www.stevequay...ts.missile.html
How many warheads is the Agni team planning?
In comparison:
An old standard soviet missile
SS-18 SATAN
DF-41 (In development - 10 warheads) Mobile unlike SS-18
DF-31 (Configs: 1 , 3 , 5 depending on payload)
DF-21 (India Specific)("Solid Fuelled") Used to be single warhead, however, that changed a while ago.
http://www.stevequay...ts.missile.html
How many warheads is the Agni team planning?
In comparison:
An old standard soviet missile
SS-18 SATAN
205 Ton missile plus Thermonuclear warheads 10-15
10,200–16,000 km
Edited by Magnus, 28 April 2012 - 11:37 AM.
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Russia reportedly has 88 SS-18 systems, most of them deployed at the Dombarovsky missile base in the Orenburg Region, in the southern Urals.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:30 PM
Caesar, on 28 April 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:
The thing I really hate about you indians is your pathetic state of mind. You are one of those sub-intgelligent species who just keep of talking rubbish and keep on using the word BUT. You have no logic, you have no reasoning, you have no courage, you have no honour or dignity. You as a nation are a bunch of eunuchs.
Let us remind these cowards
Muhammad bin Qasim (rh) despite being heavily outnumbered was able to conquer Sindh and Multan
Mahmud Ghaznavi (rh) was able to inflict much damage upon them despite being heavily outnumbered
Muhammad Ghori (rh) had a fraction of the army that Prithviraj had yet he conquered Dehli and established long lasting Islamic rule in India
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 01:03 AM
CEP has to take into account the yield of the warhead being devliered.
It doesnt matter if you have a high CEP for a massive warhead....when the explosion will cover in the dozens of kilometers.....plus or minus 600 meters means next to nothing.
You only need low CEP if your warheads are of a tactical nature and have small yield.
Big city buster MAD warheads dont need sigma 6 precision. What they do need are MirV tech and other countermeasures to prevent their detection and interception to ensure the MAD strategy holds.
It doesnt matter if you have a high CEP for a massive warhead....when the explosion will cover in the dozens of kilometers.....plus or minus 600 meters means next to nothing.
You only need low CEP if your warheads are of a tactical nature and have small yield.
Big city buster MAD warheads dont need sigma 6 precision. What they do need are MirV tech and other countermeasures to prevent their detection and interception to ensure the MAD strategy holds.
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