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Avalanche buries 100 Pakistani soldiers on glacier

SLAMABAD (AP) — An avalanche smashed into a Pakistani army base on a Himalayan glacier along the Indian border on Saturday, burying around 100 soldiers, the military said.
Helicopters, sniffer dogs and troops were deployed to the remote Siachen Glacier to rescue those trapped, according to a military statement.
The avalanche hit a battalion headquarters in the glacier's Gayari sector at 5:45 a.m, according to a security official who didn't give his name because he is not an official spokesman.
Siachen is on the northern tip of the divided Kashmir region claimed by both India and Pakistan.
Both countries station hundreds of troops there, who brave viciously cold temperatures, altitude sickness and high winds for months at a time. Troops have been deployed at elevations of up to 6,700 meters (22,000 feet) and have skirmished intermittently since 1984. The glacier is known as the world's highest battlefield.
More soldiers have died from the harsh weather there than combat.
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Avalanche buries 130 Pakistani soldiers in the Himalayas

Siachen Himalayan glacier is on the northern tip of the divided Kashmir region claimed by both India and Pakistan

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An avalanche smashed into a Pakistani army base on the Siachen Himalayan glacier close to India on Saturday, burying around 130 soldiers, a security official said. (Photo from Feb. 1, 2005)



ISLAMABAD — An avalanche smashed into a Pakistani army base on a Himalayan glacier close to India on Saturday, burying around 130 soldiers, a security official said.
Rescue efforts are under way on the remote and frigid Siachen Glacier, where thousands of Pakistani and Indian troops are based, the security official said. He spoke anonymously because the military had yet to release a formal statement.
He said the snow hit a battalion headquarters in the glacier's Gayari sector at 5:45 a.m.
Siachen is on the northern tip of the divided Kashmir region claimed by both India and Pakistan.
The two neighboring countries have deployed troops at elevations of up to 22,000 feet there. There have been intermittent skirmishes since 1984, and the region is known as the world's highest battlefield.
More soldiers have died from the harsh weather there than combat.

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[charia]

I pray may Allah help our jawwans to be safe.     ( Ameen)

[Sanguine]

charia, on 07 April 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

I pray may Allah help our jawwans to be safe. ( Ameen)

Ameen!

[platinum786]

Does anyone have news on rescue efforts? Perhaps those inside structures may survive, but I can't see much hope for those outside, under snow in these conditions. May Allah protect them.

[ali23]

I pray that Allah help our soldiers.

It was a battalion HQ with an attached company of soldiers. This is the reason for such a large number.

I hope that most of them are saved as the chances of being found decreases with increase in time.

[Caesar]

Very sad news indeed. Wasn't there any risk assessment done before a camp was set up there??? I mean come of man ..... army is a professional organisation and they should have people who do risk assessments. This is a huge loss!

[ali23]

Its not a new camp. It has been there for decades. It has igloos, structures dug inside the earth e.t.c e.t.c. Risk assessment was most probably done when it was set up.

However, I don't know know why it happened.

In western countries the snow level is monitored on mountains and if required an artificial avalanche is created using small explosions so that excess snow is removed from the mountains in order to reduce the chances of avalanches.

I don't know if PA has such a practice because before creating an artificial smaller avalanche the location of human population is taken into consideration (which in this case is the location of the camp from the mountains).

[Caesar]

ali23, on 07 April 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

Its not a new camp. It has been there for decades. It has igloos, structures dug inside the earth e.t.c e.t.c. Risk assessment was most probably done when it was set up.

However, I don't know know why it happened.

In western countries the snow level is monitored on mountains and if required an artificial avalanche is created using small explosions so that excess snow is removed from the mountains in order to reduce the chances of avalanches.

I don't know if PA has such a practice because before creating an artificial smaller avalanche the location of human population is taken into consideration (which in this case is the location of the camp from the mountains).

Yea but Risk Assessments are not just a one of thing; it requires doing periodically. It becomes even more important when you are in a hostile environment such as glaciers.

[platinum786]

Sometimes forces of nature can't be predicted. Without any facts about the situation we are merely speculating.

[ali23]

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Yea but Risk Assessments are not just a one of thing; it requires doing periodically. It becomes even more important when you are in a hostile environment such as glaciers.

Yes, off course. Data about the weather is obviously updated periodically as its a standard operating procedure in the armies around the world and more so in siachin because the air pressure, temperature e.t.c affect how a unit operates. Special lubricants, fuels and materials are also used in siachin because of the climate there.

[Panzer-kiel]

...may God help them all.....soldiers of 6 NLI.....!

[Caesar]

I hope they haven't given up on them and there is a rescue effort. This is a terrible loss !!!

[Ababeel]

May Allah swt help them ... this is terrible news

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Still no sign of survivors


Names of persons buried under snow slide in Gayari sector near Skardu.

Officers

• PA-32596 Lt Col Tanvir Ul Hassan

• PA-39548 Maj Zaka Ul Haq

• PA-105358 Capt Haleem Ullah( AMC)

Junior Commission Officers

• N/Sub Khurshid

• N/Sub Didar

• N/Sub Malik

• N/Sub Iftikhar

Havildar

• Hav Rehber

• Hav Haji Shafayat

• Hav Zakir

• Hav Gulfraz

• Hav Shah Nawaz

• Hav Musadiq

• Hav Rustam

• Hav Shad

• Hav Ghulam Muhammad

• Hav Sher Nayab

• Hav Ishaq

• Hav Tanvir

Lance Havildar / NaiK

• L/Hav Mustafa

• L/Hav Ghulam Qadir

• Nk Ashraf

• Nk Sartaj

• Nk Mudasar

• Nk Jabbar

Lance Naik / Sepoy

• Lnk Irshad

• Lnk Sami Ullah

• Lnk Sharafat

• Lnk Mustafa

• Lnk Himayat

• Lnk Altaf

• Lnk Mir Hussain

• Lnk Irfan

• Sep Ali Zar

• Sep Saleem

• Sep Malik Riaz

• Sep Jamil

• Sep Akhtar

• Sep Nadir Wali

• Sep Israr

• Sep Sajid

• Sep Naseer

• Sep Dildar

• Sep Zaman

• Sep Irfan Khalil

• Sep Waseem

• Sep Ehsan

• Sep Ashraf

• Sep Riaz

• Sep Shoaib

• Sep Iqbal

• Sep Mumtaz

• Sep Haider

• Sep Mehtab

• Zulqarnain

• Sep Ghulab Shah

• Sep Rehmat Wali

• Sep Nadeem

• Sep Nafs Ali

• Sep Nadeem Hashmi

• Sep Qurban

• Sep Muhammad Khan

• Sep Akbar

• Sep Ali Muhammad

• Sep Muhammad Ali

• Sep Amin

• Sep Fiaz

• Sep Shakeel

• Sep Siraj

• Sep Fazal Abbas

• Sep Javed

• Sep Javed

• Sep Sakhi Zaman

• Sep Sajjad Kazmi

• Sep Fida Hussain

• Sep Naeem

• Sep Shamim

• Sep Zakir

• Sep Nisar Hussain

• Sep Aurangzeb

• Sep Arshad

• Sep Sultan

• Sep Muhammad Hussain

• Sep Nasir

• Sep Ilyas

• Sep Mukhtiar

• Sep Fida Hussain

• Sep Zaheer

• Sep Naseer

• Sep Aftab

• Sep Adil

• Sep Muzamil

• Sep Sarfraz

• Sep Shameer

• Sep Soba Khan

• Sep Abid

• Sep Ishaq

• Sep Aksar Zaman

• Sep Najeeb Ullah

• Sep Siraj Ud Din

• Sep Jaffar

• Sep Ansar

• Sep Ishaq

• Sep Ghulam Rasool

• Sep Muhammad Hussain

• Sep Jumma khan

• Sep Muhammad Ali

• Sep Zakir Kawardo

• Sep Ghulam Mehdi

• Sep Ghazi Shah

• Sep Sana Ullah

• Sep Imtiaz

• Sep Hameed Ullah

• Sep Sadiq Gultri

• Sep  Gul Daz ( FS Sec)

Clerks

• Nk / Clk Ghulam Nabi

• Nk/ Clk Ghulam Ali

Cooks

• Sep/Ck Muhammad Ali

• Sep/Ck Karim

• Sep/Ck Ghulam Mehdi

Sweepers

• Moon Gul

• Asif

• Naveed

• Ali

Civilian (paid out of defence establishment)

• Jalil (Waiter)

• Hameed ( Waiter)

• Nasrullah (Barber)

• Muhammad Ameer (Barber)

• Waheed ( Canteen)

• Azeem (Canteen)

• Sarfraz (Dhobi)

• Wali (Dhobi)

• Noor Shah ali (Dhobi)

• Sabir (Tailor)

• Ghulam Rasool (NCB)   - Uncfm/Suspected

[suryakiran]

Hello,

People with trekking and mountaineering experience will vouch, that in those altitudes, winds and weather conditions can change in minutes. Impossible to predict mother nature's patterns there. And one is talking of Siachen here. Its a miracle there are soldiers manning those posts. Letting go of explosions would require clearances from both sides, lest they be taken as aggressive maneuvers. Only thing that can be done is strengthen infrastructure and provide for increased survivability through rations and clothing.

RIP.

[Sanguine]

Its been more than 24 hours and the chances of recovering any survivors are apparently bleak. May Allah keep our soldiers in His aman. Heard on a random news channel that COAS has also arrived there and is personally going to take care of the rescue operation. The incident is extremely shocking and should knock some sense into the decision makers and both sides need to save the ego and belligerent spirit for some other time and climb down from world's highest battlefield.

[Caesar]

Fatima, I understand what you are saying however, remember it is a Pakistan territory which India decided to raid. Pakistan is only defending what is hers. India needs to back off in good faith or this war will continue.

[blueazure]

suryakiran, on 08 April 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

Hello,

People with trekking and mountaineering experience will vouch, that in those altitudes, winds and weather conditions can change in minutes. Impossible to predict mother nature's patterns there. And one is talking of Siachen here. Its a miracle there are soldiers manning those posts. Letting go of explosions would require clearances from both sides, lest they be taken as aggressive maneuvers. Only thing that can be done is strengthen infrastructure and provide for increased survivability through rations and clothing.

RIP.

had it not been for you Indians who infiltrated it in first place and started this war , this mindless waste of life wouldn't have happened .  

last thing we need are your crocodile tears

[Sanguine]

Caesar, on 08 April 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

Fatima, I understand what you are saying however, remember it is a Pakistan territory which India decided to raid. Pakistan is only defending what is hers. India needs to back off in good faith or this war will continue.

I certainly agree with you on that. What I meant was that both countries need to realize that by making it a battlefield, they have achieved nothing and lost many precious lives. India, of course, needs to take the first step as she did by occupying the glacier.

[Simpleton]

Prayers go out for the victims and their loved one.  Pragmatically speaking, I believe there will be no survivors, because generally speaking the rarified atmosphere, plus burial under snow which compacts around a person with no personal detection bracelets, etc. plus the sheer number of victims and little to no above surface signs of where people are buried, plus logistical limitations to mount a large scale operation all go against the primary "golden hour" of successful post-avalanche survival.  This is a recovery effort in large parts.

[suryakiran]

Hello,

The logic that it is Pakistani territory is the Pakistani point of view. Indian point of view is that entire region is Indian territory. Both are stands to which we can keep arguing till time's end. Indian troops will not back down from Siachen for the next 10 years atleast. No point in me saying anything further, cause it will de-rail the topic. Let's not discuss this in this thread.

Blue, as far as I am concerned a dead man is a dead man. He cannot be classified into any living category. (Indian, Pakistani, brown, white, red etc etc). As an ex-military man, I would assume, you no that better than most people in this forum.

[blueazure]

so surya, the whole of azad kashmir, no check that, the whole of Pakistan is  fair game and is indian territory then ?

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yes, we respect our dead, we mourn them properly, last thing we need is a lecture on humanity from you

[1Pakistani]

blueazure, on 08 April 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

so surya, the whole of azad kashmir, no check that, the whole of Pakistan is  fair game and is indian territory then ?

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yes, we respect our dead, we mourn them properly, last thing we need is a lecture on humanity from you

What every sympathy I had for there mother.######.er indians ive lost that after this incident. To test the waters I went and read the comments on Indian papers, CNN and Washington Post and these Mother. ######.ers are celebrating our loss.......

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1Pakistani, on 08 April 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

What every sympathy I had for there mother.######.er indians ive lost that after this incident. To test the waters I went and read the comments on Indian papers, CNN and Washington Post and these Mother. ######.ers are celebrating our loss.......

Add some yanks in it too.  filthy and disgusting people.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Inna Nilahi Rajeoun

May Allah Bless the Martyred and fallen soldiers, May Allah Ease the pain of the victimized families and friends, May Allah Ease the pain of Pakistan. Ameen.


Peace

[Skull-Buster]

Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Rajiuoon

Any updates? Have any bodies been recovered? Any survivors? Please update us.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Hasb-e-Haal on the issue:

http://www.youtube.c...hBtlGWTo#at=108

[sobank]

[BaburMissile]

Heartfelt condolences to the martyrs of our nation. This is a terrible incident. Praying for survivors. Just wonder, has the president or prime minister visited Siachen to pay his respect and condolence to our forces?

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Khari Baat, Siachen Incident

http://www.zemtv.com...h-9th-apr-2012/

[sobank]

Any news?

[ali23]

Some Pictures of COAS visit.

[ali23]

This handout photograph taken on April 8, 2012, released by the ISPR shows an aerial view of Pakistani troops searching for avalanche victims.—AFP

Note the vehicles on the right. This will help in judging the scale of the avalanche.

[ali23]

Okay i heard a little bit about the base from my relatives who were there many years ago. It is more than a kilometer away from the mountain (where the snow originally was). There is a small river moving alongside the base. Normally due to increase in temperature the snow from the nearby mountain would fall into the river or stop well short of the base in a snow slide. However, this time it was huge. It covered a big distance and covered the base.

[ali23]

Some more pictures









Despite weather hazards, rescue work continues at Gayari. A total of 452 person including 69 civilians are employed on relief efforts. 2 Dozers, 2 JCB (Earth Mover), 3 Excavator and 2 dumpers are working day and night on the site. Five points have been identified on the site where rescue work is in progress. Two points are being dug with equipment while three points are being dug manually.
Foreign rescue teams, Six members German team, three member Switzerland team have arrived in Pakistan and waiting for weather clearance to proceed to Gayari. Seven members SPD team is using life detection kit and thermal imaging camera during the rescue operation.  

[pasha]

ali23, on 10 April 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

Some more pictures

Despite weather hazards, rescue work continues at Gayari. A total of 452 person including 69 civilians are employed on relief efforts. 2 Dozers, 2 JCB (Earth Mover), 3 Excavator and 2 dumpers are working day and night on the site. Five points have been identified on the site where rescue work is in progress. Two points are being dug with equipment while three points are being dug manually.
Foreign rescue teams, Six members German team, three member Switzerland team have arrived in Pakistan and waiting for weather clearance to proceed to Gayari. Seven members SPD team is using life detection kit and thermal imaging camera during the rescue operation.  

Thanks for the updates.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

thanks for the pictures brother!

can anyone confirm if Chinese and Turkish special forces are coming or have arrived to rescue Pakistani troops along with the actual Pakistani rescuers?

Peace

[Skull-Buster]

I know its tough to get machinery up there but there is little hope with what they are currently using. They need more heavy machinery for the job. That being said being buried in the freezing snow for 3 days, there is little hope now anyway. We can just pray for a miracle. May Allah save some souls.

[Felicius]

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