^^ musharraf made many decisions to please US declaring LeT as terrorist outfit being one, this is a fact which your denial cannot change, musharraf was not democratically elected nor he made decisions with any counselling of sort,,
as of today, hafiz saab roams freely in Pakistan, he was on tv last night giving interviews, 'terrorists' and 'outlaws' dont come on tv , esp those with bounties , LeT is at best in standby mode and will be reactivated soon to greet you in kashmir,, meanwhile i suggest you get you back fixed , find a job with some chartered carrier flying rusty beechcrafts and not waste time here for nothing ;- )
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^^ musharraf made many decisions to please US declaring LeT. this is a fact which your denial cannot change
I am not denying anything. Pleasing to US or not thats your presiden't fault. He should have shown them middle finger. But now that LeT is declared terrerist by Musharraf and not revised by Gilani / Zardari don't blame us for propaganda and lobbying.
If we are liars then Musharraf / Zardari / Gilani should tell the US accordingly and ask them to shut up, since they haven't obviosuly the US is playing tricks. No point in showing fingers to India or its lobbying. Nothing stopped Pakistan from counter lobbying.
blueazure, on 05 April 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:
meanwhile i suggest you get you back fixed ,
Thank you. Its almost recovered, just need daily excersices.
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find a job with some chartered carrier flying rusty beechcrafts
If I could fly, I could fly with IAF itself, what was the need to leave?
I found a good job though and with your blessings doing well.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:37 AM
Miroslav, on 05 April 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:
I am not denying anything. Pleasing to US or not thats your presiden't fault. He should have shown them middle finger. But now that LeT is declared terrerist by Musharraf and not revised by Gilani / Zardari don't blame us for propaganda and lobbying.
gillani /zardari came into power via a brokered deal with musharraf ( read NRO ) , US was a prime party in such an arrangement where the new 'democratic' setup agreed to protect US interests and further their designs, Pakistani politics is messed up .
as for JuD , it is still banned yet hafiz saab has been cleared of all charges twice
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If we are liars then Musharraf / Zardari / Gilani should tell the US accordingly and ask them to shut up, since they haven't obviosuly the US is playing tricks. No point in showing fingers to India or its lobbying. Nothing stopped Pakistan from counter lobbying.
rulers in Pakistan, whether military or civil have always put their own agendas first ( most of the time ) whilst national interest took second stage, this applies esp to musharraf and the current setup who were/are incapable of standing up to US bullying and take a stand. i would not expect them to safe guard Pakistan's vital interest. prime proof of this is weekly drone attacks . as for their lobbying ,it is primarily there to stay in power if anything else
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:40 AM
Miroslav, on 05 April 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:
Thank you. Its almost recovered, just need daily excersices.
If I could fly, I could fly with IAF itself, what was the need to leave?
If I could fly, I could fly with IAF itself, what was the need to leave?
did i read somewhere that ejections end an aviator's career ?
was it a MiG 21 ?
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I never ejected. Getting personal doesn't help in healthy discussions.
Not necessarily it ends aviator's career.
If the aviator is physically fit he flies back. May be not on fighters again but on helo's or transport. or thats IAF at least.
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Not necessarily it ends aviator's career.
If the aviator is physically fit he flies back. May be not on fighters again but on helo's or transport. or thats IAF at least.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:25 AM
i suggest the Pakistan gov't announce a 10million $$$ head money on colonel prohit for his role in samjhota express bombing ,
Lt Col Purohit supplied RDX for Samjhauta Express blast: ATS to court
http://zeenews.india...483779news.html
Last Updated: Saturday, November 15, 2008,
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Nashik, Nov 15: Mumbai Anti-Terrorist Squad has claimed on Saturday that Lieutenant Colonel Shrikant Purohit, who was arrested in connection with the Malegaon blast, was also involved with the 2007 Samjhauta blast.
ATS told Nashik court that the accused had used RDX to carry out the blast in which 68 people were killed.
Putting an end to all speculation, the anti-terror branch of Mumbai Police said that Army RDX was used and not sourced from across the border.
Purohit procured 60 kg of RDX from Jammu and Kashmir in the year 2006, a part of which is suspected to have been used in Samjautha Express train explosion and Malegaon blasts, Maharashtra police told a court here on Saturday. But what is intriguing is that the investigation agency has no clue about the remaining RDX.
This theory came in sharp contrast with the earlier investigation of Samjhauta blast, in which, it was concluded that not RDX, instead, IED and some liquid chemicals were used.
Seeking extension of police custody of Purohit, special prosecutor for Maharashtra ATS Ajay Misar told the court that Purohit had believed to have 60 kgs of RDX in his possession which he had got from Jammu and Kashmir. Purohit gave a portion of the RDX to one Bhagwan who is suspected to have used in Samjhauta Express blast, Misar said.
The RDX is also suspected to have been used in Malegaon bomb explosion on September 29 this year, due to which Purohit's interrogation is necessary, Misar told the court.
Purohit, arrested in connection with Malegaon blast, was on Saturday produced before a Nashik court, where ATS sought his further police custody in order to interrogate him thoroughly and the court granted it till November 18.
Purohit, who was with Military Intelligence, had told the authorities that he had thrown RDX into the Jhelum river, the special counsel said.
However, it is suspected that he transported the RDX to Deolali in Nashik, he said.
Earlier, the Lt Colonel had said to the court that he was not ill treated by the ATS personnel as claimed by his family.
Lt Col Purohit supplied RDX for Samjhauta Express blast: ATS to court
http://zeenews.india...483779news.html
Last Updated: Saturday, November 15, 2008,
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Nashik, Nov 15: Mumbai Anti-Terrorist Squad has claimed on Saturday that Lieutenant Colonel Shrikant Purohit, who was arrested in connection with the Malegaon blast, was also involved with the 2007 Samjhauta blast.
ATS told Nashik court that the accused had used RDX to carry out the blast in which 68 people were killed.
Putting an end to all speculation, the anti-terror branch of Mumbai Police said that Army RDX was used and not sourced from across the border.
Purohit procured 60 kg of RDX from Jammu and Kashmir in the year 2006, a part of which is suspected to have been used in Samjautha Express train explosion and Malegaon blasts, Maharashtra police told a court here on Saturday. But what is intriguing is that the investigation agency has no clue about the remaining RDX.
This theory came in sharp contrast with the earlier investigation of Samjhauta blast, in which, it was concluded that not RDX, instead, IED and some liquid chemicals were used.
Seeking extension of police custody of Purohit, special prosecutor for Maharashtra ATS Ajay Misar told the court that Purohit had believed to have 60 kgs of RDX in his possession which he had got from Jammu and Kashmir. Purohit gave a portion of the RDX to one Bhagwan who is suspected to have used in Samjhauta Express blast, Misar said.
The RDX is also suspected to have been used in Malegaon bomb explosion on September 29 this year, due to which Purohit's interrogation is necessary, Misar told the court.
Purohit, arrested in connection with Malegaon blast, was on Saturday produced before a Nashik court, where ATS sought his further police custody in order to interrogate him thoroughly and the court granted it till November 18.
Purohit, who was with Military Intelligence, had told the authorities that he had thrown RDX into the Jhelum river, the special counsel said.
However, it is suspected that he transported the RDX to Deolali in Nashik, he said.
Earlier, the Lt Colonel had said to the court that he was not ill treated by the ATS personnel as claimed by his family.
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A worrying move
THE announcement by the US of a $10m bounty on Jamaatud Dawa leader Hafiz Saeed raises more questions than it answers. Washington links its decision to the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks. The post-9/11 world has witnessed many bizarre events. But such a huge reward for targeting a man who has never attempted to hide himself and who moves about freely and addresses large crowds appears absurd. After 9/11, it took a decade for the world’s remaining superpower, with seemingly unlimited intelligence capability, to track down Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden. So, how did Hafiz Saeed, who was not in hiding, get on the list?
Of the many explanations, the obvious deduction is that Washington wishes to appease New Delhi and bring more pressure to bear on Islamabad to make it amenable to its demands. There is also the view that after the ISI cracked down on CIA assets here it is now the latter agency’s turn to turn the screw on its Pakistani counterpart. Dr Ghulam Nabi Fai’s arrest in the US is also being explained in these terms, while Hafiz Saeed, too, is widely viewed as an asset of the security establishment. These arguments may be plausible, but it is also true that Pakistan has an appalling record of bringing to justice those wanted for terrorism here or abroad. The pace of the trial of those behind the Mumbai carnage is a case in point. It has been some years since the tragedy took place and Pakistan arrested some key members of the LeT as alleged perpetrators. Even though the government claimed to have sufficient evidence against them, the in-camera trial has made little progress.
Meanwhile, key figures of the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba (part of which later morphed into JuD) and armed militants such as Jaish-i-Mohammad ‘assets’, continue to have complete freedom of movement across the country. In this context, it is disturbing that, under the cover of the pro-establishment Difaa-i-Pakistan Council, Hafiz Saeed is being wrongly projected as a non-militant religious scholar, even though it is widely known that the outlawed LeT was created by him. Even now, most members of the banned outfit draw inspiration from his jihadi teachings. The responsibility, then, is Pakistan’s to rein in Hafiz Saeed, probe allegations of terrorism against him and to take action if he is found to be involved in cross-border militancy. For its part, America should realise that by announcing head money for someone not in hiding it is setting a dangerous precedent. It would have been wiser to apply diplomatic pressure on Pakistan to get its message across.
http://dawn.com/2012...-worrying-move/
THE announcement by the US of a $10m bounty on Jamaatud Dawa leader Hafiz Saeed raises more questions than it answers. Washington links its decision to the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks. The post-9/11 world has witnessed many bizarre events. But such a huge reward for targeting a man who has never attempted to hide himself and who moves about freely and addresses large crowds appears absurd. After 9/11, it took a decade for the world’s remaining superpower, with seemingly unlimited intelligence capability, to track down Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden. So, how did Hafiz Saeed, who was not in hiding, get on the list?
Of the many explanations, the obvious deduction is that Washington wishes to appease New Delhi and bring more pressure to bear on Islamabad to make it amenable to its demands. There is also the view that after the ISI cracked down on CIA assets here it is now the latter agency’s turn to turn the screw on its Pakistani counterpart. Dr Ghulam Nabi Fai’s arrest in the US is also being explained in these terms, while Hafiz Saeed, too, is widely viewed as an asset of the security establishment. These arguments may be plausible, but it is also true that Pakistan has an appalling record of bringing to justice those wanted for terrorism here or abroad. The pace of the trial of those behind the Mumbai carnage is a case in point. It has been some years since the tragedy took place and Pakistan arrested some key members of the LeT as alleged perpetrators. Even though the government claimed to have sufficient evidence against them, the in-camera trial has made little progress.
Meanwhile, key figures of the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba (part of which later morphed into JuD) and armed militants such as Jaish-i-Mohammad ‘assets’, continue to have complete freedom of movement across the country. In this context, it is disturbing that, under the cover of the pro-establishment Difaa-i-Pakistan Council, Hafiz Saeed is being wrongly projected as a non-militant religious scholar, even though it is widely known that the outlawed LeT was created by him. Even now, most members of the banned outfit draw inspiration from his jihadi teachings. The responsibility, then, is Pakistan’s to rein in Hafiz Saeed, probe allegations of terrorism against him and to take action if he is found to be involved in cross-border militancy. For its part, America should realise that by announcing head money for someone not in hiding it is setting a dangerous precedent. It would have been wiser to apply diplomatic pressure on Pakistan to get its message across.
http://dawn.com/2012...-worrying-move/
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'Singh willing to discuss Kashmir, Hafiz Saeed internal issue'
Last Updated On 05 April,2012 About -3870 seconds ago
Manmohan Singh is ready to discuss Kashmir with President Zardari claims PM Gilani.
In reply to Ch Nisar’s inquiry as to why President Zardari is visiting India, PM Gilani, during the joint parliament session, said that the President is going on an unofficial visit. But he added that Indian PM is willing to talk Kashmir with President Zardari during his visit. “President Zardari has long desired to visit Ajmer,” he added.
Prime Minister Gilani also said: “We are as patriotic as anyone else. There would be no compromise on the sovereignty of Pakistan.”
About the US placing bounty on JuD chief Hafiz Saeed, PM Gilani said that it is Pakistan’s internal matter. He said the judiciary in Pakistan is independent and if any concrete evidence against Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief was provided, action would be taken against him according to the law of the land.
The PM said a similar case was referred to the court in the past, in which the judiciary acted independently and set the accused free after founding no evidence.
http://dunyanews.tv/...MiNOaWQ9NzQxODc=
Won’t come under pressure on Hafiz Saeed issue: FO
Foreign Office Spokesman expressed hope that US would respect Pakistani courts.
During weekly media briefing on Thursday, Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit said that Pakistan would not come under pressure over US announcement of bounty against Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed.
Responding to a question, the spokesman said that Pakistan would prefer to receive concrete evidence to proceed legally rather than to be engaging in a public discussion on this issue.
He underlined that in a democratic country like Pakistan, where judiciary is independent, evidence against anyone must withstand judicial scrutiny.
The US this week announced $10 million bounty, highest after Taliban supreme commander Mullah Muhammad Omar, on Hafiz Saeed.
Pakistan’s right wing parties say the US announced the bounty at the behest of India who blamed Saeed of launching attacks on Mumbai in 2008 in which 166 people were killed.
http://dunyanews.tv/...MiNOaWQ9NzQxMzY=
Why is Zardari going to India, asks Nisar
Last Updated On 05 April,2012 About -1784 seconds ago
NA Opposition Leader Ch Nisar Ali Khan says President Zardari should reveal purpose of Indian visit.
Addressing in the joint session of parliament, Ch Nisar said that President Zardari should take the august house into confidence as to why he wants to visit India at this point in time. He said that India is not willing to send hockey and cricket teams to Pakistan while on the other hand the Pakistani president is intending to go on an unofficial visit to India.
The opposition leader said the precarious situation in the region should not be left at the mercy of unofficial visits. He said that Hafiz Saeed is a citizen of Pakistan and allegations of terrorism against him are baseless. “Will bounties would continue to be fixed on Pakistanis’ heads like this forever,” Nisar questioned.
http://dunyanews.tv/...MiNOaWQ9NzQxODY=
Last Updated On 05 April,2012 About -3870 seconds ago
Manmohan Singh is ready to discuss Kashmir with President Zardari claims PM Gilani.
In reply to Ch Nisar’s inquiry as to why President Zardari is visiting India, PM Gilani, during the joint parliament session, said that the President is going on an unofficial visit. But he added that Indian PM is willing to talk Kashmir with President Zardari during his visit. “President Zardari has long desired to visit Ajmer,” he added.
Prime Minister Gilani also said: “We are as patriotic as anyone else. There would be no compromise on the sovereignty of Pakistan.”
About the US placing bounty on JuD chief Hafiz Saeed, PM Gilani said that it is Pakistan’s internal matter. He said the judiciary in Pakistan is independent and if any concrete evidence against Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief was provided, action would be taken against him according to the law of the land.
The PM said a similar case was referred to the court in the past, in which the judiciary acted independently and set the accused free after founding no evidence.
http://dunyanews.tv/...MiNOaWQ9NzQxODc=
Won’t come under pressure on Hafiz Saeed issue: FO
Foreign Office Spokesman expressed hope that US would respect Pakistani courts.
During weekly media briefing on Thursday, Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit said that Pakistan would not come under pressure over US announcement of bounty against Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed.
Responding to a question, the spokesman said that Pakistan would prefer to receive concrete evidence to proceed legally rather than to be engaging in a public discussion on this issue.
He underlined that in a democratic country like Pakistan, where judiciary is independent, evidence against anyone must withstand judicial scrutiny.
The US this week announced $10 million bounty, highest after Taliban supreme commander Mullah Muhammad Omar, on Hafiz Saeed.
Pakistan’s right wing parties say the US announced the bounty at the behest of India who blamed Saeed of launching attacks on Mumbai in 2008 in which 166 people were killed.
http://dunyanews.tv/...MiNOaWQ9NzQxMzY=
Why is Zardari going to India, asks Nisar
Last Updated On 05 April,2012 About -1784 seconds ago
NA Opposition Leader Ch Nisar Ali Khan says President Zardari should reveal purpose of Indian visit.
Addressing in the joint session of parliament, Ch Nisar said that President Zardari should take the august house into confidence as to why he wants to visit India at this point in time. He said that India is not willing to send hockey and cricket teams to Pakistan while on the other hand the Pakistani president is intending to go on an unofficial visit to India.
The opposition leader said the precarious situation in the region should not be left at the mercy of unofficial visits. He said that Hafiz Saeed is a citizen of Pakistan and allegations of terrorism against him are baseless. “Will bounties would continue to be fixed on Pakistanis’ heads like this forever,” Nisar questioned.
http://dunyanews.tv/...MiNOaWQ9NzQxODY=
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:58 PM
Hafiz Saeed is Pakistan's internal matter: PM Gilani Updated 9 hours ago
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Gilani said on Thursday that the issue of Hafiz Saeed was Pakistan's internal matter. Prime Minister Gilani was addressing the joint session of Parliament during which he called upon the US to provide concrete evidence against Saeed.
“Our judiciary is free and and if any concrete evidence against Hafiz Saeed was provided, action would be taken against him according to the law."
The United States has announced a $10 million reward for credible evidence against Hafiz Saeed who is alleged to be the mastermind of the Mumbai attacks.
Speaking about future relations with the US, the Prime Minister informed Parliament that the Parliamentary Committee on National Security was busy finalizing proposals.
When asked what would be the agenda of President Zardari’s visit to India, Gilani responded that the President was visiting India in his private capacity to pay homage to great saint Moeenuddin Chisti (R.A) in Ajmer Sharif.
"Even if any policy matter is discussed during the meeting with the
Indian Prime Minister, we will take the Parliament into confidence,"
http://www.geo.tv/Ge...l.aspx?ID=43075
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Gilani said on Thursday that the issue of Hafiz Saeed was Pakistan's internal matter. Prime Minister Gilani was addressing the joint session of Parliament during which he called upon the US to provide concrete evidence against Saeed.
“Our judiciary is free and and if any concrete evidence against Hafiz Saeed was provided, action would be taken against him according to the law."
The United States has announced a $10 million reward for credible evidence against Hafiz Saeed who is alleged to be the mastermind of the Mumbai attacks.
Speaking about future relations with the US, the Prime Minister informed Parliament that the Parliamentary Committee on National Security was busy finalizing proposals.
When asked what would be the agenda of President Zardari’s visit to India, Gilani responded that the President was visiting India in his private capacity to pay homage to great saint Moeenuddin Chisti (R.A) in Ajmer Sharif.
"Even if any policy matter is discussed during the meeting with the
Indian Prime Minister, we will take the Parliament into confidence,"
he added.
http://www.geo.tv/Ge...l.aspx?ID=43075
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:26 AM
i request the mods to modify all posts by indians on this thread which label a respectable Pakistani citizen as a 'terrorist' on zero grounds. this is a Pakistani forum and no one should be allowed to do propaganda here against Pakistani's
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this thread should better be locked since nothing concrete is there against hafiz saab and there are mere conjectures and theories. some members are merely posting for the sake of propaganda
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this thread should better be locked since nothing concrete is there against hafiz saab and there are mere conjectures and theories. some members are merely posting for the sake of propaganda
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:13 AM
Thankyou blueazure. I am glad that you said that, but you should of said little earlier before this post went to the 2nd page. Now Indians will say that, "we were allowed before by mods to post those links where some Pakistanis were labelled as terrorists, why not now, and don't blame us for propaganda and lobbying against Pakistan, we are just posting those links"
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Well said chaps, I don't see why we should accept innocent ppl being called terrorists, especially those acquitted by the courts of law. I ask ppl refrain from it, or they will find thier posts deleted.
Anyone concerned with double standards or goalposts shifting should go to forums where that isn't the case. Pakistanidefenceforum.com loves members who hate Pakistan.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 03:37 AM
Can you please point out the post in which an Indian member has got personal with Saeed or has called him a terrerist? Just for my own reference.
I have always maintained that he was a leader of an organization which was declared terrerist none other than the Government of Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
Precisely why the Americans no longer wants his head but proof which will convict him. The purpose of the bounty changed within 48 hours which was posted here by an Indian member only.
A. Lt.Col.Purohit is under arrest and being tried. He is not declared guilty yet.
B. The RDX theory never got proved as both Army and CAG (Controller Auditor General) found no discripency in the RDX stock.
Innocent till proven guilty thats what your defence was for Saeed so now who is playing double standards?
Rest you are welcome to put a bounty on his head. May be Zardari should declare it tommorrow when he is in India.
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I have always maintained that he was a leader of an organization which was declared terrerist none other than the Government of Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
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we should accept innocent ppl being called terrorists, especially those acquitted by the courts of law.
Precisely why the Americans no longer wants his head but proof which will convict him. The purpose of the bounty changed within 48 hours which was posted here by an Indian member only.
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i suggest the Pakistan gov't announce a 10million $$$ head money on colonel prohit for his role in samjhota express bombing ,
Lt Col Purohit supplied RDX for Samjhauta Express blast: ATS to court
Lt Col Purohit supplied RDX for Samjhauta Express blast: ATS to court
A. Lt.Col.Purohit is under arrest and being tried. He is not declared guilty yet.
B. The RDX theory never got proved as both Army and CAG (Controller Auditor General) found no discripency in the RDX stock.
Innocent till proven guilty thats what your defence was for Saeed so now who is playing double standards?
Rest you are welcome to put a bounty on his head. May be Zardari should declare it tommorrow when he is in India.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 09:12 AM
Hundreds of Pakistanis took to roads on this cheap move by America and Pakistanis have all the right to protest because the moment a person's name is put in hit list of drone strikes or a bounty is announced on someone's head, he is deprived of his right to a free and fair trial. We all are subject to due process of law and no one should be an exception to it. Yes, I agree that Pakistan has a horrid record of bringing terrorists to trial but same holds true for India, Israel, America and many other countries of the world. Dragging law and ethics in game of major powers is tantamount to making fun of all these notions. The statement from America that bounty was announced to collect the evidence should tell us enough that only America is playing cheap to make Pakistani authorities go on their knees (well, they already are). And why on earth are we giving it so much hype? I mean we will see IF AT ALL this bounty would make any difference.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 12:22 PM
platinum786, on 06 April 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:
Anyone concerned with double standards or goalposts shifting should go to forums where that isn't the case. Pakistanidefenceforum.com loves members who hate Pakistan.
what?. Sarcasm much.
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platinum786, on 06 April 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:
Well said chaps, I don't see why we should accept innocent ppl being called terrorists, especially those acquitted by the courts of law. I ask ppl refrain from it, or they will find thier posts deleted.
Anyone concerned with double standards or goalposts shifting should go to forums where that isn't the case. Pakistanidefenceforum.com loves members who hate Pakistan.
Anyone concerned with double standards or goalposts shifting should go to forums where that isn't the case. Pakistanidefenceforum.com loves members who hate Pakistan.
All and everyone of us is a terrorist. If you believe in Allah then you are a terrorist. I personally have no issue if this puts the fear in their hearts. They will never accept us until we become like them. I for one will never be like them.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 05:48 AM
Miroslav, on 05 April 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:
I was rather pointing out musharraf blacklisting LeT as terrerist organization.
Under pressure or not Hafiz's own country blacklisted his freedom fighting movement as terrerist.
Once this is done, Indian lobbying, lies, propaganda doesn't matter. Pakistan itself made this blunder of declaring them terrerists to begin with. Hence no point in pointing finger at India or US.
Musharraf is no zamuriyat. There is no typical zamooriyat excuse. The guy was a 4 star general and a commando so please don't come up with pressure excuses.
Countries like Vietnam and Cuba without any 4 star commando general showed their middle finger to US and unlike Pakistan these countries were not a nuclear power either.
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Under pressure or not Hafiz's own country blacklisted his freedom fighting movement as terrerist.
Once this is done, Indian lobbying, lies, propaganda doesn't matter. Pakistan itself made this blunder of declaring them terrerists to begin with. Hence no point in pointing finger at India or US.
Musharraf is no zamuriyat. There is no typical zamooriyat excuse. The guy was a 4 star general and a commando so please don't come up with pressure excuses.
Countries like Vietnam and Cuba without any 4 star commando general showed their middle finger to US and unlike Pakistan these countries were not a nuclear power either.
Miro
Mush was a puppet of freemason/Zionst criminals. Whatever he did was to please them, nothing to do with Pakistan as a state and its strategic interests and goals.
Hafiz Saeed is not an issue here to be honest. The issue is Kashmir. Forget about Mushy labelling him terrorist or not. Your founding father Nehru signed on international forum, the UN that india will conduct plebesite to honour Kashmiries will weather they want to be part of india or Pakistan but since backtracked on it. What does that make india? a terrorist state? after all we are not talking about an individual but a state as a whole here.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAg3XUJsjk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_0F2IJEfmE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBJDy6GdlFo&feature=related
Liya jayega tujh se kam, duniya ki imamat ka
In Pakistan's yay or nay, the fate of other nations will be sealed. Insha Allah.
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Liya jayega tujh se kam, duniya ki imamat ka
In Pakistan's yay or nay, the fate of other nations will be sealed. Insha Allah.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:18 AM
butterfly, on 10 April 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:
What if someone makes him disappear for $10mln. Then use the fund to recruit a thousand like him all armed to the teeth?? ! If one looks there is always a bright side.
We all hear a lot about such bounties announced from time to time but I have never seen these guys giving it to anyone in real. There was this man who gave them information about Saddam, there were these rebels who killed Gaddafi but then what happened? Enlighten me if it was really given to someone in past.
"Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its sufferings..."
Al-Quran 27:62.
"The test of courage comes when we are in minority, the test of tolerance comes when we are in majority”.
Al-Quran 27:62.
"The test of courage comes when we are in minority, the test of tolerance comes when we are in majority”.
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:51 AM
HKK, on 10 April 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:
Hafiz Saeed is not an issue here to be honest. The issue is Kashmir. Forget about Mushy labelling him terrorist or not. Your founding father Nehru signed on international forum, the UN that india will conduct plebesite to honour Kashmiries will weather they want to be part of india or Pakistan but since backtracked on it. What does that make india? a terrorist state? after all we are not talking about an individual but a state as a whole here.
Pakistan has also signed quite a few agreements with UN and India and haven't acted accordingly.
Do google on Tashkent and Simla agreements to begin with.
That is not the issue here though.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 01:47 AM
simla and tashket( if im not mistaken ) were post war agreements regarding terms of cease fire and status of LoC , Pakistan stuck to its part , cant say about india ( which in 82' ventured beyond NJ9842 )
either way, its very idiotic of you to compare UN resolutions and simla/tashkent agreements,,
Hafiz Saeed is not an issue here to be honest. The issue is Kashmir. Forget about Mushy labelling him terrorist or not. Your founding father Nehru signed on international forum, the UN that india will conduct plebesite to honour Kashmiries will weather they want to be part of india or Pakistan but since backtracked on it. What does that make india? a terrorist state? after all we are not talking about an individual but a state as a whole her
thats the thing about indians, they never answer when presented with core questions and start moving in circles while at the same time presenting conjectures !
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either way, its very idiotic of you to compare UN resolutions and simla/tashkent agreements,,
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Hafiz Saeed is not an issue here to be honest. The issue is Kashmir. Forget about Mushy labelling him terrorist or not. Your founding father Nehru signed on international forum, the UN that india will conduct plebesite to honour Kashmiries will weather they want to be part of india or Pakistan but since backtracked on it. What does that make india? a terrorist state? after all we are not talking about an individual but a state as a whole her
thats the thing about indians, they never answer when presented with core questions and start moving in circles while at the same time presenting conjectures !
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 02:14 AM
blueazure, on 12 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:
simla and tashket( if im not mistaken ) were post war agreements regarding terms of cease fire and status of LoC , Pakistan stuck to its part , cant say about india ( which in 82' ventured beyond NJ9842 )
either way, its very idiotic of you to compare UN resolutions and simla/tashkent agreements,,
thats the thing about indians, they never answer when presented with core questions and start moving in circles while at the same time presenting conjectures !
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either way, its very idiotic of you to compare UN resolutions and simla/tashkent agreements,,
thats the thing about indians, they never answer when presented with core questions and start moving in circles while at the same time presenting conjectures !
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Just like you maintain your point of view and position of your country we also maintain point of view and position of our country.
Our point of view is Kashmir is ours and we haven't violated any resolution or agreement.
Where as it is Pakistan which has violated bilateral agreements like Tashkent and Simla.
I can give instances with links / events but then thats not the topic here.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:03 AM
Indians are the biggest lying basta.rds on this planet .... a bunch of lying drag queens I have say. They build castles in the sky and when you ask them for proof they scream like whor.es.
Ok what if I say Indian PM is a killer and I want him extradited to Pakistan; wouldn't you ask me ok man what proof do you?
INDIANS HAVE ZERO PROOF ON THIS PERSON.
Ok what if I say Indian PM is a killer and I want him extradited to Pakistan; wouldn't you ask me ok man what proof do you?
INDIANS HAVE ZERO PROOF ON THIS PERSON.
Humanity's past on this planet is based on the biggest Lie in History--and the same Lie will destroy humans in future! The Truth is infront of us and yet we refuse to accept it, we refuse to see it, we refuse to listen to it. Humans are intelligent and yet the dumbest beings ever!
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:46 AM
Miroslav, on 12 April 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:
Just like you maintain your point of view and position of your country we also maintain point of view and position of our country.
Our point of view is Kashmir is ours and we haven't violated any resolution or agreement.
Where as it is Pakistan which has violated bilateral agreements like Tashkent and Simla.
I can give instances with links / events but then thats not the topic here.
Miro
Our point of view is Kashmir is ours and we haven't violated any resolution or agreement.
Where as it is Pakistan which has violated bilateral agreements like Tashkent and Simla.
I can give instances with links / events but then thats not the topic here.
Miro
without going into what tashkent and simla agreements were or not, relevant or not, the ground reality is that Kashmir issue is there since August 47, right after the creation of Pakistan and india, and it was india who backtracked on it for not upholding the pledge of plebicite, the basic democratic principal on which both Pakistan and india were created. So if right from the beginning india is playing mishevious games, and the track record it has , Pakistan on the other hand is not bound to play fair
www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAg3XUJsjk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_0F2IJEfmE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBJDy6GdlFo&feature=related
Liya jayega tujh se kam, duniya ki imamat ka
In Pakistan's yay or nay, the fate of other nations will be sealed. Insha Allah.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_0F2IJEfmE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBJDy6GdlFo&feature=related
Liya jayega tujh se kam, duniya ki imamat ka
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 11:32 AM
Caesar, on 12 April 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:
Indians are the biggest lying basta.rds on this planet .... a bunch of lying drag queens I have say. They build castles in the sky and when you ask them for proof they scream like whor.es.
Ok what if I say Indian PM is a killer and I want him extradited to Pakistan; wouldn't you ask me ok man what proof do you?
INDIANS HAVE ZERO PROOF ON THIS PERSON.
Ok what if I say Indian PM is a killer and I want him extradited to Pakistan; wouldn't you ask me ok man what proof do you?
INDIANS HAVE ZERO PROOF ON THIS PERSON.
All they have in proof is that confession of Bhagwan-Mujhy-maaf-kare Islamic extremist terrorist Ajmal Kasab.
In logoun ki aqal per white rednecks se zyada parde pare howe hain.
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- There is excess salt in my chicken karahi .. i think ISI is involved
- I pissed three times today,, it is a conspiracy by ISI
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 12:28 AM
Nelson Mandela needs a special waiver to visit the United States. In 2008.
You read that right. The former president of South Africa, an icon in the struggle against apartheid, cannot enter this country without special permission.
It’s a hold over from the past — and a travesty. Fortunately, Rep. Howard Berman of California, the new chairman of the House International Relations Committee, is trying to fix the problem.
He has introduced legislation that would remove from U.S. databases any notation that would characterize current and former members of South Africa’s African National Congress — the anti-apartheid organization that Mr. Mandela once headed — as terrorists. It’s long overdue. Click hereto read the text of the bill.
South Africa’s apartheid regime banned the ANC in 1960 and its leaders were either imprisoned (like Mr. Mandela) or forced into exile. The organization engaged in armed struggle against apartheid for decades and was branded a terrorist group by both South Africa and the United States.
Apartheid eventually collapsed under the weight of internal and external pressure. In 1990, the ANC became a legal political party and four years later, it won a landslide general election victory and Mr. Mandela became South Africa’s first black president.
The United States no longer considers the ANC a terrorist group. But because it was designated as such by the South Africa’s long-discredited apartheid regime, its current and former members still show up on America’s travel and terrorism watch lists.
Until recently, State Department officials preferred to grant ANC members waivers for travel to the United States on a case-by-case basis. They feared a more permanent exemption would open the floodgates to similar requests by other former terrorist groups. But that objection apparently now has been wisely dropped.
As Mr. Berman has correctly observed: “The ANC sets an important example: It successfully made the change from armed struggle to peace. We should celebrate this transformation, and not continue a policy that is nearly two decades out of touch with reality.”
http://theboard.blog...andelas-record/
You read that right. The former president of South Africa, an icon in the struggle against apartheid, cannot enter this country without special permission.
It’s a hold over from the past — and a travesty. Fortunately, Rep. Howard Berman of California, the new chairman of the House International Relations Committee, is trying to fix the problem.
He has introduced legislation that would remove from U.S. databases any notation that would characterize current and former members of South Africa’s African National Congress — the anti-apartheid organization that Mr. Mandela once headed — as terrorists. It’s long overdue. Click hereto read the text of the bill.
South Africa’s apartheid regime banned the ANC in 1960 and its leaders were either imprisoned (like Mr. Mandela) or forced into exile. The organization engaged in armed struggle against apartheid for decades and was branded a terrorist group by both South Africa and the United States.
Apartheid eventually collapsed under the weight of internal and external pressure. In 1990, the ANC became a legal political party and four years later, it won a landslide general election victory and Mr. Mandela became South Africa’s first black president.
The United States no longer considers the ANC a terrorist group. But because it was designated as such by the South Africa’s long-discredited apartheid regime, its current and former members still show up on America’s travel and terrorism watch lists.
Until recently, State Department officials preferred to grant ANC members waivers for travel to the United States on a case-by-case basis. They feared a more permanent exemption would open the floodgates to similar requests by other former terrorist groups. But that objection apparently now has been wisely dropped.
As Mr. Berman has correctly observed: “The ANC sets an important example: It successfully made the change from armed struggle to peace. We should celebrate this transformation, and not continue a policy that is nearly two decades out of touch with reality.”
http://theboard.blog...andelas-record/
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