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[HKK]

What Ahmedinejad, what Aerdogan, whoever, dont think anyone from straits of Malaca to western shores of Africa can come anywhere close to him

[test]

Imran is the leader that Pakistan needs, not the leader that Pakistan deserves

[ajaj]

test, on 30 March 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Imran is the leader that Pakistan needs, not the leader that Pakistan deserves

True, we deserve people like Zardari ...

[Caesar]

LOL look at the video .... words do not match his mouth literally. Looks like someone has just played a video of him against one of his other speeches. LOL

[Skull-Buster]

Caesar, on 30 March 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

LOL look at the video .... words do not match his mouth literally. Looks like someone has just played a video of him against one of his other speeches. LOL

Nothing is wrong, its just that in the latter part of the clip the audio and video are out of sync. Other than that the audio and video are from the same speech.

[Felicius]

IK needs to take tuitions from Mahatir.

[HKK]

Shehz, on 30 March 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

IK needs to take tuitions from Mahatir.

On what? Mahatir was good for his own people but unfortunately his leadership skills end there. IK is his own league. He can not only be good for Pakistan but perhaps could represent Ummah more forcefully and intellectually. How many in western world would bother to listen what Mahatir or Ahmednijad has to say?

[rungroot]

1.  First off, Imran Khan is NOT an Islamic leader, he is a "MUSLIM" leader.
2.  Secondly, his heart is in the right place but he needs to stop worrying about what others think and ONLY worry about doing what is right according to the Quran and sunnah.  Only then can he be considered as an Islamic leader.

[Caesar]

Oh a "Muslims Leader" ...... I see. By the way he did have a lot of girl friends, he was a sex symbol and he also has a kid from one of his girlfriends. I am glad that the mullahs are becoming "modern" and don't want to kill IK anymore. Apparently they were issuing 'fatwas' on him being a 'jew' and a 'western boy' sleeping around with chics. Now they are happy to have him as a "great islamic leader" !!

[ajaj]

Caesar, on 31 March 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

Oh a "Muslims Leader" ...... I see. By the way he did have a lot of girl friends, he was a sex symbol and he also has a kid from one of his girlfriends. I am glad that the mullahs are becoming "modern" and don't want to kill IK anymore. Apparently they were issuing 'fatwas' on him being a 'jew' and a 'western boy' sleeping around with chics. Now they are happy to have him as a "great islamic leader" !!

Your Point? People change during their life. The core issue is whether a person realizes their wrongdoing and comes back to his real purpose in life.

[Caesar]

ajaj, on 01 April 2012 - 04:44 AM, said:

Your Point? People change during their life. The core issue is whether a person realizes their wrongdoing and comes back to his real purpose in life.

What a silly question .... the point being look at the deception and lies of these so called 'religious leaders' and Pak people in general who just a few years back called him a jew and what not. And now since their arses are being held hostage by their own "Elected representatives" and their so called "military" they are so desperate that they are willing to go back the person they shunned.

[rungroot]

Caesar, on 31 March 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

Oh a "Muslims Leader" ...... I see. By the way he did have a lot of girl friends, he was a sex symbol and he also has a kid from one of his girlfriends. I am glad that the mullahs are becoming "modern" and don't want to kill IK anymore. Apparently they were issuing 'fatwas' on him being a 'jew' and a 'western boy' sleeping around with chics. Now they are happy to have him as a "great islamic leader" !!

That's why I called him a Muslim leader, I.e. A leader who is a Muslim and not an Islamic leader.

And by the way caesar,  I would seriously advise you to fear Allah and learn to stop holding people's personal sins of the past against them once they have repented. Or else be ready to have Allah bring forward every single thing you did wrong in your life, regardless how big or how small it may be, even if you had repented.  If you expect your past to be forgiven and your repentance to be accepted, then learn to forgive the past of others instead of holding it against them.  It's not like IK stole millions or billions from the national treasury.  He drank, had girlfriends, a mistake most Muslim men living in the west make.  Some persist and justify it (bad)  but most repent like IK (good).  All of us living in the west have made this mistake to some degree including myself as I'm sure you have as well.  I repented and am hopeful that Allah will forgive me as he has promised in the Quran, therefore I am willing to overlook the past of someone else as well just I expect my past to be overlooked.  You should do the same.  Ziada doodh kay dhulay paatay khan bannay ki koshish na karo.

[khh]

Caesar, on 31 March 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

Oh a "Muslims Leader" ...... I see. By the way he did have a lot of girl friends, he was a sex symbol and he also has a kid from one of his girlfriends. I am glad that the mullahs are becoming "modern" and don't want to kill IK anymore. Apparently they were issuing 'fatwas' on him being a 'jew' and a 'western boy' sleeping around with chics. Now they are happy to have him as a "great islamic leader" !!

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Excellent remarks bro....Exactly true....

[HKK]

Caesar, on 31 March 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

Oh a "Muslims Leader" ...... I see. By the way he did have a lot of girl friends, he was a sex symbol and he also has a kid from one of his girlfriends. I am glad that the mullahs are becoming "modern" and don't want to kill IK anymore. Apparently they were issuing 'fatwas' on him being a 'jew' and a 'western boy' sleeping around with chics. Now they are happy to have him as a "great islamic leader" !!

Your Jahalat means no bound. This is what I dispise most about the so called liberals who think they are allamas but they are not.  Try reading about some of the Sahabas and how they lead their lives before converting to Islam. If someone got a sort of past , which is of personal nature, its between Allah and that person. Specially if that person has repent it and no longer on the same path, you cannot hold him for his past deeds. Account him on things which effect other humans. Did he kill someone? took bribery, is he corrupt? did he commit treason to the country? IK has done more for his fellow countrymen then rest of Pakistanis let alone some armchair warriors here on this forum.

[Skull-Buster]

Mahathir did wonders for his country. All good work should start from home. And he did just that. For me, Mahathir is the greatest Muslim ruler of the post-colonian era. I lived in Malaysia and I saw how radically he transformed his country. Its just mind boggling. Imran Khan cannot be compared to Mahathir simply because IK has yet to be in a position of power. Right now he is only words, when we will see his actions then only will there be room for comparison.

[Caesar]

HKK, on 02 April 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Your Jahalat means no bound. This is what I dispise most about the so called liberals who think they are allamas but they are not.  Try reading about some of the Sahabas and how they lead their lives before converting to Islam. If someone got a sort of past , which is of personal nature, its between Allah and that person. Specially if that person has repent it and no longer on the same path, you cannot hold him for his past deeds. Account him on things which effect other humans. Did he kill someone? took bribery, is he corrupt? did he commit treason to the country? IK has done more for his fellow countrymen then rest of Pakistanis let alone some armchair warriors here on this forum.

LOL ... the thing I really hate is arguing with fools and illiterates because one has to lower down to their pathetic standards and still loose!! But here it goes .... now read what i am writing and learn from a 'liberal'.

The companions of prophet you are talking about were "non-muslims" who converted in islam and changed their lives. Last time I checkd IK was a born muslims. People change no doubt......but the basic laws of the religion do not change. Meaning that a sin in Islam ... example fu..king chics and having bastar.d kids is a sin and a punishable crime. Therefore it is against the rules of Islam to appoint a leader who has a sinful character such as IK.

Keeping these basics in mind, for mullahs and other idiots to now say that it is ok to appoint IK as a 'Muslim' leader of Pakistan simply shows the height of hypocrisy and illiteracy.

So stop this drama of calling IK as a 'Muslim' or 'isamic' leader. IK is leader because he is LITERATE, LIBERAL and comprehends the challenges of MODERN WORLD due to his western education and his experience in the West. Due to this experience he is best placed to lead this country. His education and literacy gives him the ability to speak "English" and communicate fluently with the audience. And by the way even IK has never said that he is a 'Muslim' leader .... yes he has said that he is a Pakistani leader.

[Miroslav]

Caesar, on 04 April 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

IK is leader because he is LITERATE, LIBERAL and comprehends the challenges of MODERN WORLD due to his western education and his experience in the West. Due to this experience he is best placed to lead this country. His education and literacy gives him the ability to speak "English" and communicate fluently with the audience. And by the way even IK has never said that he is a 'Muslim' leader .... yes he has said that he is a Pakistani leader.

Since like button is still not working. +1

[platinum786]

Caesar, on 04 April 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

LOL ... the thing I really hate is arguing with fools and illiterates because one has to lower down to their pathetic standards and still loose!! But here it goes .... now read what i am writing and learn from a 'liberal'.

The companions of prophet you are talking about were "non-muslims" who converted in islam and changed their lives. Last time I checkd IK was a born muslims. People change no doubt......but the basic laws of the religion do not change. Meaning that a sin in Islam ... example fu..king chics and having bastar.d kids is a sin and a punishable crime. Therefore it is against the rules of Islam to appoint a leader who has a sinful character such as IK.

Keeping these basics in mind, for mullahs and other idiots to now say that it is ok to appoint IK as a 'Muslim' leader of Pakistan simply shows the height of hypocrisy and illiteracy.

So stop this drama of calling IK as a 'Muslim' or 'isamic' leader. IK is leader because he is LITERATE, LIBERAL and comprehends the challenges of MODERN WORLD due to his western education and his experience in the West. Due to this experience he is best placed to lead this country. His education and literacy gives him the ability to speak "English" and communicate fluently with the audience. And by the way even IK has never said that he is a 'Muslim' leader .... yes he has said that he is a Pakistani leader.

I agree and disagree. He's certainly not an Islamic leader as he's not categorised himself as such, and his policies aren't specifically Islamically orientated. You can however call him a Muslim leader, because he is just that, a Muslim, and a "leader". In the same way any other Muslim who chose to label themselves as "Muslim" and as a "leader" would be a Muslim leader, albeit a self declared one.

Regarding the issue of sin and atonement, I'm not all that educated in matters of religion and how shariah would work in an Islamic state, but every time an Islamic ayat is uttered, we start with the words Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem we refer to Allah as merciful.

regarding the influence of east/west/north/south... He's not the only Western educated leader we had. Most of the sell outs who have put us in this mess are western educated. Read the guys book, he attributes his change in life to his experiences in Pakistan and Islam.

[rungroot]

Yaar Platy,

There is no doubt that Imran Khan was a typical iconic sports figure who played and partied hard like most famous iconic sports figures. But who the hell are we to close the doors of repentance on anyone?  he is no Islamic scholar by any means but from what I could tell, he changed himself a lot after there death of his mother.  there has been no scandal on him that came forth as starting after his mother died.  Thats a pretty good indication that he has changed his ways.  So who the hell are we to close the doors of repentance on anyone when Allah never closes those doors.

Ceaser, you seem to have an allergy with anyone being a Muslim leader.  what gives???  A Muslim leader will only be an individual from among us, it aint gonna be an angel from the heavens, which means that he will have his share of past mistakes like the rest of us. It seems like you are expecting some one flawless and perfect like Huzur-e-Pak S.A.W., that happened over 1400 years ago, no more prophets now, aint gonna happen.

[platinum786]

Bro, I'm not judging him, I'm just saying his party and his leadership are not Islamic, by definition. That is not to say they are un-islamic, ie, in contradition to Islam, but what i am saying is they don't deliberately portray themselves as an "Islamic" party. The party and it's policies are not driven by religion, what i have read of it is in line with islamic principles.

Let me give you an example as to what I would consider an "Islamic party", a party who's policies included;
- Taking steps to take us away from the riba based economic model the world relies on today.
- Taking steps towards giving the people of the land their rights in accordance to Islam (which PTI is saying it will do, but it doesn't define these rights based on religious law)
- Bring the legal framework of the country align with Sharia


etc etc etc. I don't mean Iran, or KSA etc, I mean taking steps towards becoming like Malaysia etc.

PTI if it gets into power, will hopefully take us in that correct direction, but as definition they don't state they will be looking to put steps into place so in the future caliphate standard of governance can be setup.

Edited by platinum786, 04 April 2012 - 01:17 PM.

[rungroot]

Really? When did they portray themselves as an Islamic party? I missed that somehow..

[platinum786]

My mistake, please re-read.

[rungroot]

Lol, okay. Man, as long as their principals are close to Islam, I am willing to support them, as long as they're leaning towards an Islamic system, it would be easier to pull them in as opposed to some diehard secular party that is a yankee concubine like the ppp mqm or even the pml.

we also need to understand that an Islamic system probably wont come into effect by some party of Maulanas who only say "qaal Allah, qaal ul Rasool" and nothing else.  It would need a pragmatic leader who would know how implement what Allah and Rasool ordered with hikmah and wisdom.  Believe me, how you enforce and instill Islamic law has a lot to do with whether the masses flock towards Islam or turn away from it.  Our ultimate aim should be make the masses accept Islam and its commandments with understanding, not shove it down their throats.

[waz]

He is educated, articulate, good looking, can enchant people and most importantly is honest and has done a great deal for Pakistan. I hope the people of Pakistan see sense and let go of the Bhuttos, Sharifs, MQM, Military and every other political curse on this country.

[HKK]

Caesar, on 04 April 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

LOL ... the thing I really hate is arguing with fools and illiterates because one has to lower down to their pathetic standards and still loose!! But here it goes .... now read what i am writing and learn from a 'liberal'.

The companions of prophet you are talking about were "non-muslims" who converted in islam and changed their lives. Last time I checkd IK was a born muslims. People change no doubt......but the basic laws of the religion do not change. Meaning that a sin in Islam ... example fu..king chics and having bastar.d kids is a sin and a punishable crime. Therefore it is against the rules of Islam to appoint a leader who has a sinful character such as IK.

Keeping these basics in mind, for mullahs and other idiots to now say that it is ok to appoint IK as a 'Muslim' leader of Pakistan simply shows the height of hypocrisy and illiteracy.

So stop this drama of calling IK as a 'Muslim' or 'isamic' leader. IK is leader because he is LITERATE, LIBERAL and comprehends the challenges of MODERN WORLD due to his western education and his experience in the West. Due to this experience he is best placed to lead this country. His education and literacy gives him the ability to speak "English" and communicate fluently with the audience. And by the way even IK has never said that he is a 'Muslim' leader .... yes he has said that he is a Pakistani leader.

When I said that your "Jahalat" or illietracy/ignorance mean no bound, i really meant it.


I know your kind far too well. You lot have typical mindset which make it difficult to understand some basic facts of life. Reasoning is something you lot are not good at but making fun of others is perpatual habit. You lot remind me of isrealite jews who despite having numereous prophets didnt budge.

First you dismissed rather boorishly the video altogether. was it was your reading glasses or hearing aid missing or both!!??


When I mentioned Sahaba, the point was that when Allah being Rahman and Raheem can fogive us lot the humans when we come to the right path, same logic goes to those humans who are born muslims, who since their childhood believe in Allah. If IK has repent from his past and is on the right path, which he is, then who are you or anyone else to point fingers? since you been so touchy about Islamic laws and sins, and if you want to go into nitty gritty, let me ask you quite frankly. Are you the Ceaser the greater present as a evidance when IK was banging those chics, because according to islam laws, three witness are needed to prove adultery in Islamic court. If you cant bring forth those witness, then you rather take the chill pill and shut that gob.


The reason why IK is putting the liberals nuts on fire is simple. He was one of their own rather their role model. For him to shun liberalism and move to right path, is a bitter pill which these lots are finding it difficult to swallow.