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[HKK]

Think about ancient Pakistan
Think about Zulqurnain (AS), the two horned one.
Think about Gog Magog
Think about different places named after Prophet Suleman (Soloman) in Pakisan.
Think about the prophecy of Ghazwa-e-hind and more importantly its aftermath.
Think about the ancient tablet written in armanic (the language of Eesa (AS) (Jesus) ) in Kyber Paktoonkhawa.

And then watch this




Wakeup my country man. understand and acknowledge the glorious destiny Allah Jaley Jalalaho has set for you.

[gnak]

interesting

i take it from the documentary that pathans are distant relative of jews

[Caesar]

Glorious destiny?? You got to be kidding me.

Lets have a look shall we. According to this video pathans would follow their established culture even if it contradicts Quran. Hardly Islamic.

There is no DNA evidence to suggest that Pathans are decendants of Jews. In fact modern DNA research shows Pathans are indoeuropean. Unlike people DNA doesn't lie.

Lastly it is just another attempt by the extremists to potray "HOLY Warriors" present in Pakistan with "Jewsih" blood running in their veins to get some sort of "HOLY" stamp.

This video is Utter non sense I have to say.

[gnak]

Caesar, on 17 March 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

Glorious destiny?? You got to be kidding me.

Lets have a look shall we. According to this video pathans would follow their established culture even if it contradicts Quran. Hardly Islamic.

There is no DNA evidence to suggest that Pathans are decendants of Jews. In fact modern DNA research shows Pathans are indoeuropean. Unlike people DNA doesn't lie.

Lastly it is just another attempt by the extremists to potray "HOLY Warriors" present in Pakistan with "Jewsih" blood running in their veins to get some sort of "HOLY" stamp.

This video is Utter non sense I have to say.

there is compelling evidence from the video that pathans and jews have some connection

i dont think there ever been a study of DNA comparison between pathans and jews, so not entirely impossible they are not related

but i think its funny that most ppl on this forum view jews and israel enemies of islam

and here HHK is proud that he has jewish blood line in his ppl

[Simpleton]

We are all humans, so technically we are all inter-related. Personally I don't read too much into such stuff.  I'm more inclined towards Caeser's viewpoint on this particular issue.

[Caesar]

gnak, on 17 March 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

there is compelling evidence from the video that pathans and jews have some connection

i dont think there ever been a study of DNA comparison between pathans and jews, so not entirely impossible they are not related

but i think its funny that most ppl on this forum view jews and israel enemies of islam

and here HHK is proud that he has jewish blood line in his ppl

gnak before the forum went down due to maintenance I had posted clear DNA evidence of Jews and Arabs having great DNA similarities; in fact Jews and Arabs are from the SAME FAMILY ..... they are COUSINS. Now seriously do you hink Pathans are Arabs or jews? Have to actually SEEN a Pathan and have you actually seen a jew or an Arab??? The physical difference is VAST!!

There has been conclusive DNA testing done. The jews belong to Y haplogroup of J, whereas Pathans belong to Y haplogroup of L.

Now I can tell you this very confidently this is all BS .... why?? Cause part of my family roots are actually Pathan .... somewhere my forefathers who are called 'Maliks' intermingled with Pathans. They is no bloody way a Pathan looks like a jew!!

[gnak]

Caesar, on 18 March 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

gnak before the forum went down due to maintenance I had posted clear DNA evidence of Jews and Arabs having great DNA similarities; in fact Jews and Arabs are from the SAME FAMILY ..... they are COUSINS. Now seriously do you hink Pathans are Arabs or jews? Have to actually SEEN a Pathan and have you actually seen a jew or an Arab??? The physical difference is VAST!!

There has been conclusive DNA testing done. The jews belong to Y haplogroup of J, whereas Pathans belong to Y haplogroup of L.

Now I can tell you this very confidently this is all BS .... why?? Cause part of my family roots are actually Pathan .... somewhere my forefathers who are called 'Maliks' intermingled with Pathans. They is no bloody way a Pathan looks like a jew!!

i know arabs and jews are closely related, this wouldn't supprise anyone

but like it or not even if pathans are not genetically related to jews they do share

common cultural practices like shaking their heads while praying and etc

[Caesar]

gnak, on 18 March 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

i know arabs and jews are closely related, this wouldn't supprise anyone

but like it or not even if pathans are not genetically related to jews they do share

common cultural practices like shaking their heads while praying and etc

Actually Muslims and jews are probably the closet in terms of their religious and cultural practices. Example, they sacrifice the same way, they circumcise, etc.

The shaking of heads you are referrring to is widespread all over Pakistan in every city and village, it is not pathan specific. You just have a to go to a religious institute.

[HKK]

Caesar, on 17 March 2012 - 07:31 PM, said:

Glorious destiny?? You got to be kidding me.

Lets have a look shall we. According to this video pathans would follow their established culture even if it contradicts Quran. Hardly Islamic.

There is no DNA evidence to suggest that Pathans are decendants of Jews. In fact modern DNA research shows Pathans are indoeuropean. Unlike people DNA doesn't lie.

Lastly it is just another attempt by the extremists to potray "HOLY Warriors" present in Pakistan with "Jewsih" blood running in their veins to get some sort of "HOLY" stamp.

This video is Utter non sense I have to say.

To understand where I am coming from, there is one big and very important fact that people do not understand that from Adam (AS) to Mohammad (SAW), evrey single prophet was muslim and they preached nothing other then Islam. Be it Moses (AS) or Jesus (AS), they and their followers were muslims. There is no religion other than Islam since the beginning of time. But on Mohammad (SAW), Islam was completed and and sealed. Once we got this concept in our heads, it will make us understand better the ancient Paksitan as well , but that is another topic.

Firstly, this documentary was made by jews themselves, not muslims or Pathans. Secondly, dont assume that if Pathan and jews have common ancestory, that doesnt make Pathan jews, isrealite, yes maybe but not jews. Israel was btw nickname of Yaqoob AS (Jacob). and Bani Isreal means sons of Yaqoob. Thirdly, one is either blind or doesnt have glasses on for not to see the stark resemblance between Pathan and pure jews bar european Achkhanzie crap. Same long noses, same sharp facial features. It is the jews who believe the return of the lost tribes and then building of the temple of solomon. It is their prophecy not ours. But we have our own prophecy of Gazwa-e-hind. personally i am not interested in what will happen to india, it is a minor irritant, but the aftermath of Gazwa is the most interesting part, where the both jewish and muslim prophecy merge but for completely different and diverge reasons. Those tribes these present days jews are waiting for will come but not for the reasons they believe. They will be there to support the true messiha , Eesa-ibn-maryam (AS) who was rejected by those isrealities in holyland, against that false massiha , dajjal, who will be a jew and supported by jews.

[Caesar]

I respect your view point HKK although I respectfully disagree with it specially the fact that Gazwa-e-hind has already come and gone a long time back.

[HKK]

Caesar, on 19 March 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

I respect your view point HKK although I respectfully disagree with it specially the fact that Gazwa-e-hind has already come and gone a long time back.

I hear you, some people think it was done in the time of Mohammad bin Qasim. The problem with that is there are two distinct parts of prophecy. One is the war with hind and the triumph there, and the second part states that the same army who will finish off "Al hind" will join Eesa (AS) (Jesus) in Syria. Clearly this prophecy is for the future event and how things are developing in our region and middleeast, more one think about it, more it become clearer.

This american-indo-isreali nexus and their entranching in afghanistan, and from their dirty games against Pakistan, these are all attempts to stop this future event to take place. The secret societies who rule over west and working for the system of dajjal know our prochecies better then most muslims unfortunately.

[HKK]

One thing I would also like to add, just based on my personal oberservations, there is a stark resemblance in the way both Pashtu and hebrew sound. Hebrew is driven from Aramaic , the language of Essa AS (Jesus). I think most of the Pakistanis agree that Pashtu almost sound like alien language when compared to other regional languages and Urdu. There are hardly any similarities between Pashtu and other languages of Pakistan. Maybe, just maybe, Pashtu could be the modern form of defunct Aramaic. Bear in mind, there are number of years missing in the documented life of Essa AS (Jesus) and it is beleived that he made a journey to this part of the world. If he did make that journey, then the question arise , why? Why not Arabia, why not Europe? Could it be that he wanted to be among his own people. Remember, he only came as a prophet for israelite only, not Arabs or anyone else, it is another thing that those israelite in holy lands rejected him. Cant think of any other reason for him to make this journey far off from Palestine for any other purpose. I have read somewhere, that Imam Mahdi will drive his blood line both from Essa (AS) and Mohammad (SAW) and will have israelite features. If that journey was made by Essa (AS) , only Allah knows best, there is a strong chance that his blood line maybe carried on here in this part of the world among the Pathan tribes.


Is it just a conicident that Qais Abdur Rasheed, the first Pathan to embrass Islam is buried on Takht-e-Sulaiman (Throne of Solomon) in Baluchistan. He was 37th desendant of King Talut, the same Talut which is mentioned in Quran and who in western world is mentioned as King Saul. An un-named prophet mentioned in Quran (beleived to be Shamoyal, or Samuel in western world) appointed a commoner Talut to be king who will face might of Jalut and protect isrealites. Talut is the one who raised a small army against Jalut (Goliath). According to one Hadees, their numbers was exactly the same as the Mujaheeden of Badar. Young Daood (AS) (David) who didnt have the prophethood then was in Talut's army. Suleman AS (Solomon) was Daood (AS) son. Suleman AS was the last king of united isrealite kingdom and after his death it split between "israel" and "Judah". Suleman (AS) desendants later ruled over Judah, and it is Judah from where, the Jews beleive they lost their ten tribes.




Only Allah knows best.

[faizan khaliq]

If we look at Arabs, Kurds , jews and Pathans there are few similarities and their is distinctiveness attributed to each one of them as well. Cultural  similarities of habitat  might not be enough evidence of same genetic origin however it is assumed that Pashtunes are not Aryans but Somatic . The love of money , trade, mischievous nature is common between the Jews and Pashtoons but Pashtoons are warriors  and ferociously independent where as Jews are generally considered otherwise.
     The second question is of Khyber pass and khyber fort  of prophet times what can be the similarity or it is just a coincident.Hope they are not Jews of Khyber/Madina who ran away from Arabian peninsula and settled on ancient Khurasaan because those guys were fighter stock for sure.
There is an other question which about a report of a mysterious box in Qandhar  which contained few belongings of Prophet Muhammad PBH.Mullah Omar did saw them but these were reports of different western press section and I am unable to quote them but the stark similarity of jews using'' Box of sakeena'' which was lost and is still lost  again some kind of similarity but as a Muslim we hardly care for any race or racial stock is holier than others

[HKK]

^^ Even if we ignore the culture similarities, behaviour similarities (Xenophobia one of them), we cannot ignore how similar hebrew and Pasthu sound.

My understanding is that jews are known to be quite stubborn when it comes to their beliefs, so are Pathans. But how many of those jews living in israel can claim to be "pure" isrealite? I can bet my mortage that most of them are achkhanzi and kazars, hacked together in isreal from all over world specially from Europe, Russia, Poland, america, etc. How can these lot can claim to be isrealite when they are clearly europeans?

It is not the question of who is superior race or not, rather in my humble opinion , its the way of Allah to show these jews, kinda the expression "in your face", that the pure israelite in present times, the Pathans,  will come back to holly lands along with Mahdi and Eesa (AS) and confront these imposters.  There can hardly be anything more humilating for these so called jews /zionists of israel to be confronted by those who are more pure isrealite then themselves. Those wars will be faught not only by weapons but with the force of faith as well, for all to see. Here we got Muslims, not just Muslims but "fundamentalist" muslims or pure isrealite race , the Pathan, up in arms against the jews/zionsts. Can there more anything sweet and just then this by Almighty Allah. Surily he is the best planner.

Thanks for mentioning the "box of Sakeena". I didnt know about it but on googling, it turn out of the "Ark of Covenant". Subhan Allah, it really does make things very interesting. Do you have more letrature or links about what was found in Qandahar? The reason I am asking that When King Talut (Saul) was made king of isrealite by the command of Allah, the isrealites objected to his appointment, pointing to his commoner status and being poor. BUT, he was the custodian of "taboot-e-Sakina" or as they say "Ark of convenant". 37th desendant of King Talut was Qais Abdur Rasheed, the first pathan to embrace Islam. Also, the temple of Solomon that these freemason and zionist are longing to build, had this Ark. Solomon desendants were the rulers of Judah and from Judah, according to jews, they lost the "ten tribes".

Only Allah knows best.

[khh]

gnak, on 17 March 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

interesting

i take it from the documentary that pathans are distant relative of jews

But it doesn't matter if Pathans are distant relative of jews...in fact we are all sons/daughters of Hazrat Ibrahim(PBUH) even if we are Arabs or Jews...cuz arabs are the sons of Hazrat Ismail(PBUH) and Israelis and Europeans are the sons of Hazrat Ishaq(PBUH) who both are brothers and sons of Hazrat Ibrahim(PBUH)....So infact we all are inter-related to each other...The only thing dividing us now is the religions cuz some didn't follow the word of God/The Bible or the Holy Quran thats why the became each others  enemies....

[khh]

Caesar, on 19 March 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

I respect your view point HKK although I respectfully disagree with it specially the fact that Gazwa-e-hind has already come and gone a long time back.

I guess I'm gonna agree with U the Ghazwa-e- Hind part....I guess it already happened....some pplz are exploiting it for some international agendas.....

[HKK]

khh, on 02 April 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

I guess I'm gonna agree with U the Ghazwa-e- Hind part....I guess it already happened....some pplz are exploiting it for some international agendas.....

Mind enlightening us how it has already happened when the desend of Eesa AS hasnt happend yet let alone those armies joining him? Maybe you and Ceaser has seen it happen but the rest of humanity still waiting for second coming of Eesa (AS).

[faizan khaliq]

HKK, on 02 April 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

^^ Even if we ignore the culture similarities, behaviour similarities (Xenophobia one of them), we cannot ignore how similar hebrew and Pasthu sound.

My understanding is that jews are known to be quite stubborn when it comes to their beliefs, so are Pathans. But how many of those jews living in israel can claim to be "pure" isrealite? I can bet my mortage that most of them are achkhanzi and kazars, hacked together in isreal from all over world specially from Europe, Russia, Poland, america, etc. How can these lot can claim to be isrealite when they are clearly europeans?

It is not the question of who is superior race or not, rather in my humble opinion , its the way of Allah to show these jews, kinda the expression "in your face", that the pure israelite in present times, the Pathans,  will come back to holly lands along with Mahdi and Eesa (AS) and confront these imposters.  There can hardly be anything more humilating for these so called jews /zionists of israel to be confronted by those who are more pure isrealite then themselves. Those wars will be faught not only by weapons but with the force of faith as well, for all to see. Here we got Muslims, not just Muslims but "fundamentalist" muslims or pure isrealite race , the Pathan, up in arms against the jews/zionsts. Can there more anything sweet and just then this by Almighty Allah. Surily he is the best planner.

Thanks for mentioning the "box of Sakeena". I didnt know about it but on googling, it turn out of the "Ark of Covenant". Subhan Allah, it really does make things very interesting. Do you have more letrature or links about what was found in Qandahar? The reason I am asking that When King Talut (Saul) was made king of isrealite by the command of Allah, the isrealites objected to his appointment, pointing to his commoner status and being poor. BUT, he was the custodian of "taboot-e-Sakina" or as they say "Ark of convenant". 37th desendant of King Talut was Qais Abdur Rasheed, the first pathan to embrace Islam. Also, the temple of Solomon that these freemason and zionist are longing to build, had this Ark. Solomon desendants were the rulers of Judah and from Judah, according to jews, they lost the "ten tribes".

Only Allah knows best.

unfortunately not much except this that this covenant is there on a shrine near qandhar and allegedly carries some belongings of Prophet SAW .This article mentioned that the box is never  opened/shown but Mullah Omar after taking over the rule insisted upon opening it  and lost his consciousness after seeing inside unquote  this box is considered some kind of blessing and is guarded like  arc of covenant .
This story was published right after invasion of Afghanistan by Americans, to some saying though highly unsubstantiated this box would  be carried by Pashtoon in battles like ancient jews used to carry the covenant right into battle field. and their belief was that this Allah will give them victory because of this box which would carry belongings of their prophets.The similarity of belief caught my attention.Though this seems to be bit far fetched notion to say that this box can be lost'' arc of covenant ''
Allah knows the best

[khh]

HKK, on 02 April 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

Mind enlightening us how it has already happened when the desend of Eesa AS hasnt happend yet let alone those armies joining him? Maybe you and Ceaser has seen it happen but the rest of humanity still waiting for second coming of Eesa (AS).

Bro. don't get mad at me...Ghazwa - means when Rasool-Allah(Sallal-la-ho-Alaiheh-Wassallam)) is himself physically present within the battle against Kuffaar.....but as he is gone so any battle against kuffir can't be said as Ghazwa.....It is true that Imam-Mehdi will lead his Army against the Kuffar of this world either that is India , Israel or the West....and that battle or world war is realli very very near ..Insha-Allah....My guess is  that will start soon after the Nuclear world war III will happen....

[khh]

Another thing I want to mention here about the Third world war Nuclear that probably will happen in a situation going around the world...that will start soon after the Israel or US will hit Iran cuz that war will suddenly turn into Nuclear and will takeover the whole world can't be stopped untill 80-90% of the population will be evaporated alive....The remaining left from the Muslims will be the chosen ones including Hazrat Imam Mehdi and his followers. and his opponents will include the Dajjal and his followers....and Hazrat Imam- Mehdi will start his war with the sword to conqer the world for the establishment of Khilafat....Insha-Allah

[Caesar]

I sincerely hope this planet and its beautiful creatures and plants and its vast oceans are not brutilised and mudered by mad religious men and their nuclear weapons and programs. We are humans first, we have the same DNA structure, but yet we are happy to murder our own kind through wars and weapons of mass destruction. You may consider me as dreamer but I hope that our ONENESS will bring us together rather than our petty difference will lead to horrific death of this planet and its beautiful species. I donot believe in a God who would permit such a genocide..... full stop.

[khh]

Caesar, on 03 April 2012 - 06:13 AM, said:

I sincerely hope this planet and its beautiful creatures and plants and its vast oceans are not brutilised and mudered by mad religious men and their nuclear weapons and programs. We are humans first, we have the same DNA structure, but yet we are happy to murder our own kind through wars and weapons of mass destruction. You may consider me as dreamer but I hope that our ONENESS will bring us together rather than our petty difference will lead to horrific death of this planet and its beautiful species. I donot believe in a God who would permit such a genocide..... full stop.

I understand ure feelings...but I have one simple question from U ....Wasn't the God  of Abraham  is the one who braught the great flood of NOHA??....I mean killed all the humans on earth and just saved only the Hazrat Nooh and some of his followers only through the great Noah Arc....... What U gonna say about that God?.... isn't is the same God-Allah we believe?....or U don't believe in him cuz he killed all the humans on this earth....??
Or isn't he is the same God who was present and the Nuke was dropped on the Hiroshima and Nagasaki??
why this God didn't save the Japanese from the destruction of the Nuclear bomb...?? why they all got evaporated so mercilessly??....wasn't the Japanese pplz and their kids were innocent and beautiful pplz??
I guess we have read these stories of Hazrat Nooh(PBUH) and his nation through Holy Quran, BIBLE and TORAH or its not true??
If U have any better God than that let us know too.....

[HKK]

khh, on 03 April 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

Bro. don't get mad at me...Ghazwa - means when Rasool-Allah(Sallal-la-ho-Alaiheh-Wassallam)) is himself physically present within the battle against Kuffaar.....but as he is gone so any battle against kuffir can't be said as Ghazwa.....It is true that Imam-Mehdi will lead his Army against the Kuffar of this world either that is India , Israel or the West....and that battle or world war is realli very very near ..Insha-Allah....My guess is  that will start soon after the Nuclear world war III will happen....

I dont know how old/new member you are, but in older version of PDF, there was a pinned topic concerning "Ghazwa-e-hind". It was explained in detailed why it is called Gazwa. I am not mistaken there are two types of Ghazwas , one in which Prophet PBUH took part physically, and the second one in which he was/will be present spiritually.

[khh]

HKK, on 03 April 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

I dont know how old/new member you are, but in older version of PDF, there was a pinned topic concerning "Ghazwa-e-hind". It was explained in detailed why it is called Gazwa. I am not mistaken there are two types of Ghazwas , one in which Prophet PBUH took part physically, and the second one in which he was/will be present spiritually.

Sir! I have a question for U if U say that Rasool Allah (Sallala-ho-Alaihe Wasallam) will be present spiritually...okay lets think like that then do U have any example from the time of Sahabah after Rasool Allah Passed away from the world that any Ghazwa happened after that. I mean did Sahabah faught any Ghazwa after our beloved Rasool Allah (sallal-la-ho Alai he Wasallam) went away from us...?? If yes then I  can believe Ure definition of the spiritual presence of our beloved Rasool Allah for the battle to be claimed as Ghazwa....But I never heard any example of such battle or Ghazwa from our history..plz let me know if there was.....cuz our Sahaba's were the most beloved and God feared pplz on earth .....they fought for the glory of Islam only......Alhamdolillah!!!.......and Insha-Allah it will happen again.....Yes The Forces of Imam Mehdi are the chosen ones to complete the task of Rasool Allah(Sallal-Laho-Alaihe Wasallam) but still that war can't be called Ghazwa even though the spiritual help or the presence of Rasool Allah will be there....cuz Rasool Allah (Sallalla ho Alaiheh Wasallam) is alwayz with his followers.... I mean according to my little knowledge....Alhamdolillah!!

[faizan khaliq]

HKK yeh the box we discussed is in the dargah ''Halqa sharif'' the incident of mullah omar was confirmed by a local of qandhar who was there upto last month .No person is allowed to see that box,
The gazwa e hind is first phase of Armageddon  basically both events are inter related and with present developments  this seems quite near

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

faizan khaliq, on 03 April 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

HKK yeh the box we discussed is in the dargah ''Halqa sharif'' the incident of mullah omar was confirmed by a local of qandhar who was there upto last month .No person is allowed to see that box,
The gazwa e hind is first phase of Armageddon  basically both events are inter related and with present developments  this seems quite near

brother, sounds interesting. Could you please more details about the box and the near closing phase to the Armageddon.

Peace

[HKK]

khh, on 03 April 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Sir! I have a question for U if U say that Rasool Allah (Sallala-ho-Alaihe Wasallam) will be present spiritually...okay lets think like that then do U have any example from the time of Sahabah after Rasool Allah Passed away from the world that any Ghazwa happened after that. I mean did Sahabah faught any Ghazwa after our beloved Rasool Allah (sallal-la-ho Alai he Wasallam) went away from us...?? If yes then I  can believe Ure definition of the spiritual presence of our beloved Rasool Allah for the battle to be claimed as Ghazwa....But I never heard any example of such battle or Ghazwa from our history..plz let me know if there was.....cuz our Sahaba's were the most beloved and God feared pplz on earth .....they fought for the glory of Islam only......Alhamdolillah!!!.......and Insha-Allah it will happen again.....Yes The Forces of Imam Mehdi are the chosen ones to complete the task of Rasool Allah(Sallal-Laho-Alaihe Wasallam) but still that war can't be called Ghazwa even though the spiritual help or the presence of Rasool Allah will be there....cuz Rasool Allah (Sallalla ho Alaiheh Wasallam) is alwayz with his followers.... I mean according to my little knowledge....Alhamdolillah!!

I would like to request mods to restore the old "Gazwa-e-Hind" topic from old PDF version. I actually raised the similar questions as to why it is called Ghazwa. It was discussed to death pages after pages there. Hopefully once it is restored, you can read it yourself.

If it makes you feel comfy and you want to lable it a "War" as oppose to "Ghazwa", i have no objections to it, it is your personal point of view. BUT, the bottom line is, it an event that is bound to to happen in "FUTURE" not a thing of "Past" as it is tied to the second coming of Eesa (AS).

I am not claiming to be a Alim , rather just trying to connect dots from history to understand our prophecies in Islam, which in turn may help us understand the grand plan of Allah almight accordingly and may help us prepare better for the future.

[HKK]

faizan khaliq, on 03 April 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

HKK yeh the box we discussed is in the dargah ''Halqa sharif'' the incident of mullah omar was confirmed by a local of qandhar who was there upto last month .No person is allowed to see that box,
The gazwa e hind is first phase of Armageddon  basically both events are inter related and with present developments  this seems quite near

Subhan Allah bro. I have no clue about this dargah. Who are the custodian of this box and how it is kept safe, are there any pictures? I tend to beleive this could be the "arc of covenant" as it is the only "Box" known from the history.

Only concern is, if it is what I believe it is, considering the yanks and their masters freemasons/zionst are now in control of Qandahar, it could have been long gone and taken away.

Only Allah knows best.

[HKK]

Can mods please move this to other section of this forum. Most people cant reply in "Think tank" section.

[faizan khaliq]

here is one link
http://en.wikipedia....of_the_Covenant
this whole article give details , what has happened is once we refer to the documentary shown above , large number of Israelite ran away from Jerusalem after Babylonians ransacked the city , most popular myth was that Babylonians took it and went missing but what little details from the box at Qandhar is available is that this box is never shown to public owing different superstitions   ,It looks quite logical that during Babylonian invasion few priests or some fleeing jews took it and as per the documentary above it found its way Afghanistan.Barring Mullah omar story there very little I can say except speculation, Hope somebody from Qandhar might know more .

[khh]

faizan khaliq, on 04 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

here is one link
http://en.wikipedia....of_the_Covenant
this whole article give details , what has happened is once we refer to the documentary shown above , large number of Israelite ran away from Jerusalem after Babylonians ransacked the city , most popular myth was that Babylonians took it and went missing but what little details from the box at Qandhar is available is that this box is never shown to public owing different superstitions   ,It looks quite logical that during Babylonian invasion few priests or some fleeing jews took it and as per the documentary above it found its way Afghanistan.Barring Mullah omar story there very little I can say except speculation, Hope somebody from Qandhar might know more .

No. Mr. Mullah Umar only  had the Jubba/coat(Mubarak) of Rasool Allah (Sallalla-ho-Alaiheh Wasallam) enclosed in a box that came from heaven as a gift to our beloved Rasool (Sallallaho Alaiheh Wasallam) from Allah (Subhana hoo Wata-aala).....I heard it from the Afghan pplz . Its not the covenat of Arc......

[faizan khaliq]

khh, on 04 April 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

No. Mr. Mullah Umar only  had the Jubba/coat(Mubarak) of Rasool Allah (Sallalla-ho-Alaiheh Wasallam) enclosed in a box that came from heaven as a gift to our beloved Rasool (Sallallaho Alaiheh Wasallam) from Allah (Subhana hoo Wata-aala).....I heard it from the Afghan pplz . Its not the covenat of Arc......

Thanks for clarifying ,but nobody is allowed to see it  to the best of my information,however tabarkaat of holy prophet  PBH are open and can be seen on  youtube as well,and are in Badshahi,mosque Lahore , in Istanbul museum and few other places but their is ambiguity about this box alone   or may be this box was guarded like covenant of arc , the jews treated it.May be just a cultural similarity < I am in  no capacity to make such a historical claim.The old covenant would also carry tabrakaat of Mosses PBH and other prophets
Allah knows the best

[faizan khaliq]

HKK, on 04 April 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Subhan Allah bro. I have no clue about this dargah. Who are the custodian of this box and how it is kept safe, are there any pictures? I tend to beleive this could be the "arc of covenant" as it is the only "Box" known from the history.

Only concern is, if it is what I believe it is, considering the yanks and their masters freemasons/zionst are now in control of Qandahar, it could have been long gone and taken away.

Only Allah knows best.

yeh but jews know the truth possession of this covenant in unworthy hands can be counter productive, otherwise with muslim pashtoons their final battle notion is proving jews wrong

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

khh, on 04 April 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

No. Mr. Mullah Umar only  had the Jubba/coat(Mubarak) of Rasool Allah (Sallalla-ho-Alaiheh Wasallam) enclosed in a box that came from heaven as a gift to our beloved Rasool (Sallallaho Alaiheh Wasallam) from Allah (Subhana hoo Wata-aala).....I heard it from the Afghan pplz . Its not the covenat of Arc......

brother, thanks for the information.

Can you provide more information about the Blessed Jubba/Coat....

Thanks..Jazakallah

Peace :-)

[faizan khaliq]

some more information

https://sites.google.../mahdiwitharabs

[khh]

Jazba-e-Kashmir, on 05 April 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

brother, thanks for the information.

Can you provide more information about the Blessed Jubba/Coat....

Thanks..Jazakallah

Peace :-)

Once there was an article within the JANG newspaper magazine as well when Taliban overtook the control of Kabul.....cuz the history of that JUBBA Mubarak was given in that article.....I remember something that the ruler of Afghanistan at the time of Mughal emperors had a fight with the king of central asian state comprising of Taskkent and Bukhara area and captured this Jubba Muarak from him....later on down through generations the forefathers of Mullah Omer got it by some way.....If I'm not mistaken, but still I will try to find further and  correct info from the Afghan pplz.....

[faizan khaliq]

khh, on 06 April 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

Once there was an article within the JANG newspaper magazine as well when Taliban overtook the control of Kabul.....cuz the history of that JUBBA Mubarak was given in that article.....I remember something that the ruler of Afghanistan at the time of Mughal emperors had a fight with the king of central asian state comprising of Taskkent and Bukhara area and captured this Jubba Muarak from him....later on down through generations the forefathers of Mullah Omer got it by some way.....If I'm not mistaken, but still I will try to find further and  correct info from the Afghan pplz.....

It is not with Mullah omars family and probably never was and he is not from Qandhar province anyway , The jubba sharif is shown to anyone who want to see it even people from PKP would visit afghanistan to see it.Even from one article Mullah omar in one gathering where he claimed to be Ameer ul momineen showed this jubba to the people but  this article I read long time ago .Now about covenant of arc or casket of sakeena as known to Muslim is altogether different.,the most natural place where it is to be found is khurasan region.This is the only place where israelites survived with their tribal entity and they can claim pure linage as compared to the Jews of European origin, Allah knows the best

[HKK]

khh, on 03 April 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Sir! I have a question for U if U say that Rasool Allah (Sallala-ho-Alaihe Wasallam) will be present spiritually...okay lets think like that then do U have any example from the time of Sahabah after Rasool Allah Passed away from the world that any Ghazwa happened after that. I mean did Sahabah faught any Ghazwa after our beloved Rasool Allah (sallal-la-ho Alai he Wasallam) went away from us...?? If yes then I  can believe Ure definition of the spiritual presence of our beloved Rasool Allah for the battle to be claimed as Ghazwa....But I never heard any example of such battle or Ghazwa from our history..plz let me know if there was.....cuz our Sahaba's were the most beloved and God feared pplz on earth .....they fought for the glory of Islam only......Alhamdolillah!!!.......and Insha-Allah it will happen again.....Yes The Forces of Imam Mehdi are the chosen ones to complete the task of Rasool Allah(Sallal-Laho-Alaihe Wasallam) but still that war can't be called Ghazwa even though the spiritual help or the presence of Rasool Allah will be there....cuz Rasool Allah (Sallalla ho Alaiheh Wasallam) is alwayz with his followers.... I mean according to my little knowledge....Alhamdolillah!!

You can find the details here. Please refer to post #48

http://forum.pakista...pic=88454&st=40

[HKK]

faizan khaliq, on 06 April 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

some more information

https://sites.google.../mahdiwitharabs

I have read this link before posting this topic but , subhan Allah I overlooked this Surah

سورة الاٴعرَاف

وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ الْحُسْنَىٰ عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ بِمَا صَبَرُوا ‌٧-١٣٧

and the good word of your Lord was fulfilled in the children of Israel because they bore up (sufferings) patiently(137-7)

Though Allah used the past tense in above surah, but Quran is for all ages and times. If we look at the recent past, its is the pasthun belt right from Kyber Paktunkhawa to the southern Afghanistan which has suffered the most be it under soviet occupation or american.

Afghanistan has more or less become irrelavent due to huge migration of Pathans inside Pakistan since soviet war (btw People loath Shaheed Zia for this) . As of today's stats, population of Pathans in Pakistan outstripes that of in Afghansitan. There are more pathans in Karachi then in Kabul . Afghanistan will never be the same after yanks go packing, as the farsawani lot have shown their true colours during the occupation of afghanistan by yanks.

Some walis in Pakistan are of the view that soon Pakistan will have "green eyed" military man who will be, to put it mildly , of no nonsense type of nature.


Only Allah knows best.

[khh]

HKK, on 10 April 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

You can find the details here. Please refer to post #48

http://forum.pakista...pic=88454&st=40

Oh thanks bro. for the link....
from the definition of Ghazwa is different kinda battle in which Rasool Allah Sallal-laho Alai he Wassallam will not be present.....but it is called Ghazwa within the Rawayah(Quotation) . This Ghazwa is different (by definition as explained within the given reference book) from the one in which Rasool Allah (Sallal-laho Alai he Wassallam )  participated.....
Anywayz this battle or Ghazwa has already happened at the time of Mahmood Ghaznavi I guess......cuz I don't see anykinda prediction at the end times within the Hadiths......Cuz Hazrat Mahmood Ghaznavi caught the kings of India/Sominath in chains and captured everything(whole India) like it has been explained within the Hadiths.....
Offcoarse India will be recaptured by the Army of Hazrat Imam Mahdi......very soon (within next 2 to three years hopefully)....Insha-Allah.....and Allah knows the best......Alhamdolillah.....