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[aamirzs]

http://www.dawn.com/...id-revenge.html

FAISALABAD, March 11: In a rare departure from the usual inhuman practice in which women suffer acid assaults at the hands of men, a young man got his face badly burned when a girl allegedly threw the burning chemical at him in a village near here on Sunday.

Hailing from Marzipura, 21-year-old Mohsin told police that he was standing near a bus stop when Nabeela, 20, arrived there, threw acid at him and escaped.

Mohsin said he had started ignoring Nabeela for some time which led her to take the extreme step. Mohsin provided little detail about his affairs with the girl.

Lyallpur Town SP Zahid Gondal told Dawn that the girl had been taken into custody on the basis of Mohsin’s statement.
Mohsin was admitted to Allied Hospital where his condition was described as stable.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

sad thing, women were hurled with acid now men are also going through the same.



why is charmine quiet now, she should make a new documentary, thus again win a oscar; and receive the award wearing non-Pakistani clothes in the usa and put Pakistani clothes again when she is in Pakistan.
And of course, give the honour of the award to the women who were attacked with acids.



Besides, she hasn't come with any public statements which organizations she is an active member in helping women who are attacked with acid thrown at their faces!
And the release of the documentary should be have be done in Pakistan first, educating her own people first, being pro-active to create an umbrella-organization to protect women in Pakistan, but again charmine isn't better than other Pakistani showbizz related females who would try to pursue their own career and personal interests by creating pr-stunts or pr-reputation.

And another thing, after the release of the documentary, Pakistani girls are feeling miserable in western based socities when discussing the matter in schools while being hurled with mocking insults such as
"so you are a Pakistani girl/woman; is/are your coming husband going to the same" or "are your father or brother going to throw acid at your face if you try to marry a man who they disliked"

charmine's documentary has might put a light on the issue, but on the other hand she is also been a part of generalizing the Pakistani society and the Pakistani people - both national overseas based.

a very well balanced and objective focus on the issue with hasb e haal ; starts from 2:15 -


Peace

[butterfly]

Jezba.....intesting.

But amazing what both men and women will do for love or is it just sex? We will never know.

Reminds of the song.....'if I can't have you............(can't remember the rest lol)'

[blueazure]

Jazba-e-Kashmir, on 12 March 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

sad thing, women were hurled with acid now men are also going through the same.



why is charmine quiet now, she should make a new documentary, thus again win a oscar; and receive the award wearing non-Pakistani clothes in the usa and put Pakistani clothes again when she is in Pakistan.



Peace

the documentary by that fake sharmeen obaid is a disgust and insult to Pakistani nation. there are matters 10x more serious than acid throwing,, i can also bet that more women have actually died in drone attacks compared to those who have had their faces burnt, why doesnt sharmeen go to tribal areas and make a documentary on the drone victims there , about how the people live in perpetual fear of a buzzing sound of death ? will it get an oscar ?

[ISI2003]

documentaries like that are to push the western feminist agenda on countries like Pakistan (in the west men know the game "man always bad/wrong, women always right")

apply the western mentality, and the story will go "the boy had it coming to him ... he must have done something to this girl", and our media will dig into any possible "relationship", even though that was also the justification given by men who have done this to women who have scorned them in marriage proposals

media reports will reflect this the double standard in news coverage, just watch and see

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

blueazure, on 12 March 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

the documentary by that fake sharmeen obaid is a disgust and insult to Pakistani nation. there are matters 10x more serious than acid throwing,, i can also bet that more women have actually died in drone attacks compared to those who have had their faces burnt, why doesnt sharmeen go to tribal areas and make a documentary on the drone victims there , about how the people live in perpetual fear of a buzzing sound of death ? will it get an oscar ?

no it wouldn't brother blueazure; again that is what hasb-e-haal takes it exitpoll in; that no american-critical movie or documentary would never ever pass through the oscar-jury.



butterfly;
lol @ regarding the song.

agreed upon not to know whether if it is love or sex behind such attacks; but again there is a big sexual frustration in the Pakistani society and unfortuneatly many issues to propose for a girl's hand such as cast, background, education, money, dowry, and the mindset of "what-other-people-would" which is in fact a enslaved mindset.

Peace

[sobank]

guessing..................... guy "screwed" around girl and then dumped her and girl took the revenge. And my 50 cents say that guy had it coming.

For all those who are really pissed about documentary:
I have not watched it. So i cannt passed the judgment on oscar worthy or not. But my question is are you mad that she made a documentary or that she got and oscar? And what would be your stand if the documentary is actually oscar worthy?




If I cannt have you
I dont need nobody baby.
Girl it got to be you
I want the real thing.



Yes it is my favorite song from 90s or maybe late 80s

Song is called Real Thing (If I cannt have you) by tony di bart. Go on youtube and you will get it. There are many versions but I only like the dance remix which is much more psychadelic than any other one.

[sobank]

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agreed upon not to know whether if it is love or sex behind such attacks; but again there is a big sexual frustration in the Pakistani society and unfortuneatly many issues to propose for a girl's hand such as cast, background, education, money, dowry, and the mindset of "what-other-people-would" which is in fact a enslaved mindset.

Lots of things: love and sex is rather simplyfying the situation.

- ego : how dare she/he refuse me.
comes from financial/social standing in the society. sometime its just pure ego.

- ego/social attitude towards marriage: bivi ho kay aisa karti hay!!! Tu to hay he apni maan ka ghulam.
Marriage problems. Mostly coming from not the couple but the people surrounding them. Bad advices etc.

- No education: Well dont need to explain this one. But yeah actually educated people have different approach to break ups ( i mean educated as in handling life not university degrees).

[butterfly]

Sobank--- Salam u alyqum bro ...hope you have been well

Love and sex may be a simplification but these youngsters watch a movie and think its the real thing. They go bananas over nothing. Even if a girl like a boy and vies versa the families usually don't allow it. Financial constraints of the individual's make it impossible for them to be with who they want to be....check this out and sorry for caps.....IF A BOY OR A GIRL ARE FORCED TO MARRY AGAINST THEIR WILL, THENTHE MARRIAGE IS NOT ACCEPTED BY Allah. SO THEY ENFORCE THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTER TO ZINA THAN TO ALLOW THEIR WISH. This is Pakistani Islam.  Better zina than allow choice yet choice is what's encouraged in Islam.


You know you are so correct regarding others putting their CHUMCHAS in marriages. The couples in Pak rarely have a chance to live as they wish to. The boy rarely can give his wife money as there are plenty before her. It's a constant fight and struggle for the couple.

Still I don't get the barbarity of acid attacks.

Regarding the film and Oscar......well she may have picked a subject that's not so moorland to some but in my opinion it's very important as these barbaric acts have no place in any society. Yes I agree had she made a film regarding drones she wouldn't have won even a wooden spoon. Now that she has this Oscar maybe she can move to ther subjects. We are too busy criticising but those that are criticising I ask you.....WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? Someone even pointed to her clothes and that she wears western clothes in the west......well don't you wear trousers and shirts or do you go out in London or NY in a lungi and pug? Come on guys.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Butterfly; on the issue on wearing non-Pakistani clothes; yes i wrote that in my early post and stand by it firm as a rock due to the oscar-winning lady won it as a Pakistani individual and woman, she took her exitpoll in an internal Pakistani matter and wanted to show the talent as a Pakistani director/producer that can make an international, excellent and globally recognized award for her hard work.
it is nothing to do as an individual wearing lungi, pug or shalwar kameez, even if i know several Pakistani men wear pagri and shalwar kameez - that is a sideissue due to it is on a personal level.

She had the global oppurtunity to show the cultural glamour of Pakistani fashion and culture which the country is enriched with as well! Since that is the country she is from, making a documentary about her own country's internal matter - again; at least she could have shown her Pakistani side wearing traditional Pakistani outfit, reflecting the same average acid-hurled women from the documentary. Symbolically, showing she is not only a director but also an activist for her own Pakistani sisters, mothers and daughters, and is on the same line as them. And finally catching the audience; that she can be both at the same time rather than becoming a typical western.director with the mindset of " me and i" at the end when the PR has been succesful.
E.g. every African leader or famous African individual wears their traditionel clothing regardless which kind of event they are invited to or take part of. Something Pakistanis can learn from, remember your roots, show your roots and cherish your roots and culture.
I can say this; I have not made a documentary and shown the whole wide world the social injust issues in Pakistan and contributing more biased views about Pakistan - like if there aren't enough in the first place.
Lets say e.g. I make a documentary about marriages in Pakistan, bring acid-hurled women or men in the big picture, caste, ego, dowry related issues and bring in western/international funded/supported NGOs who dont do anything at all. Show the world, here is a country with nuclear technology but at the same time has a medival mindset and a rich elite that has no interests in resolving social matters in the society eventhough financially they could support to educate and eradicate the issue.

E.g. if I get an oscar award, getting succesful PR and when everything is settled to the dust no one really cares about me, since the showbizz must go on. At this point; i have used and exploited an internal Pakistani society's matter for my own agenda/agendas to gain an oscar award while the Pakistani people would not even be shown the documentary at the first place without knowing how the documentary has maligned them as a society and shown them in bad perspective in the west or infront of the global audience. Secondly; while having a Pakistani background; I wear a typical black suit and white shirt with a typical red tie to fit in. At this point it is all about me and no focus on my looks and roots are different, where i could infact show which country I am related to and of course stand firm I am not going to lose hope in Pakistan.
Lets say e.g. when I arrive to Pakistan I suddenly wear traditional Pakistani clothing just because the Pakistani mediachannels want an interview with me and to gain public support among the Pakistani people; that I am "one of yours afterall" when the whole world and Pakistani mediachannels have shown I have worn something entirely different when receiving an oscar award. Judging upon this everyone would think, be a man and stand by who you are, right?

No - for me it not going to become succesful, because I do not want be deceived as a Pakistani at the first place. I personally get really angry when Pakistanis reach and gain international recognization that they don't show their traditional wearing and their own culture. The point is; the western media and it's audience first checks looks and secondly colourful clothing that catches the audience's eyes. She missed the chance to show her colourful culture by wearing Pakistani traditional clothes. Then it can be thought is this not double-standards to gain two different audiences while one could have the courage to stand firm as a person is at the first place. At the end - for some it might not matter anything but being as Pakistanis we know if the slighest chance is given, we promote Pakistan! I have always done it like that, if anyone asks me about the internal matters; i would admit there are problems and matters, but nevertheless i stand firm by my poor people need us and by financially supporting children or people, mass education is a great option.
And I have no trust in the western media that would give 100% biased views about the country whenever the slightest chance is given.
charmine is a director afterall, she is not stupid of not knowing how easy the Pakistani people are to manipulate and deceived through the media. And it has not been publically stated when the documentary is going to be shown on Pakistani mediachannels at the moment, or maybe never because Pakistani sentiments are going to give her a harsh time to defend her "little" oscar-award project of her's.

Nevertheless; if someone got insulted and felt bad about the cloth-wearing issue - my apologies. But afterall, everyone might have had analysis about media, videos, music-videos, adverts and text-analysis reflecting adverts in primary school and in college, so I am sorry if the clothing related issue became to harsh for some; but for my personal point of view is that charmine is going to go through a hot debate when the documentary is aired in Pakistan.


Peace

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Multan:

A girl's brothers set fire to a boy
65% of the burned boy's body is burned; doctors are trying to save the boy's health.

source: Dawn News - Live news update



ARY News bulletin says; the girl's brother put him on fire because she and the boy got married because they liked each other.

Peace

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

the other day i was listening to the radio and took qucik notes about the whole issue.

The report was about a documentary made by an israeli-Arab director. The issue was a girl was raped and sexually abused by her own uncle thorughout her whole life. The reaction of the innocent girl was not to tell anyone since it would effect her family's reputation and leading into eventually no one would marry her sisters if she spoke up about the incident.

Please do note that the documentary did not have any world premiere, but still a western audience hears about this.
The original audience was 250 Palestinian college girls while the director herself was present when showing her work/documentary,
This creates a heat debate after the documentary ends.
The director's agenda is to create awareness in the Palestinian society.
The audience; Palestinian college girls, have angered and frustrated sentiments. Their comments are such as; they've never heard anything about the issue. One girl says, if her own father did anything like that, she would kill him. Another says this might happen on the West Bank.

The girls tell the director and the rest of the audience, this kind of documentary and content is alwyas shown to the women/girls, this should be shown to the boys/men so they know the negative mental-side-effect of sexual abuse women/girls go through.

The point of writing these notes are; the director did what she did; to create a debate among her own Palestinian community.
She did not intend to gain an oscar-award because she cared about showing her own people, which she was succesful in doing so.
This is what immature Pakistani directors should learn from, to show your work to your own Pakistani people that are going to be the fundamental domestic audience regardless what happens.

Yet again, the problem lies when western news-agencies put "negative eyes" on a local and internal matter in a community, thus interferring in any matter like western governments and the western mindset has always been like that for 400-500 years.


Peace