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[Tamerlane]

The stage seems to be set to blame Pakistan and the ISI for the next false flag terrorist attack. We need to start thinking about how we'll deal with it.

The current crusades were launched after the false flag on America (911) was blamed on Muslims. No proof has yet been presented to justify American claims. In fact, a hundred questions about it still remain unanswered. Unfortunately no Muslim country has officially challenged the official American version of the event so the general belief still prevails that Muslims were to blame for it and every single Muslim in the world is somehow guilty.

Later the British, Australians, Spanish also arranged attacks on themselves to join the American crusade. Lastly the Indians did the Bombay drama and blamed Pakistan and the Pakistan government has never properly challenged the Indian accusation.

Now the stage has been set for the next event. Hilary Clinton has said that the next attack on America will come from Pakistan and the American Military Chief has said that the next attack on India will come from Pakistan. The ISI has been demonized and the WikiLeaks have pinned the blame on the ISI for the American defeat in Afghanistan. The Western public mind has been prepared to blame Pakistan just like OBL was demonized before 911 so that when it was executed the American media blamed OBL while 911 was still going on. It is easy to visualize the next terrorist attack during which the TV channels will be blaming Pakistan, ISI, LeT as the event is happening.

We need to get our strategy right on how we will deal with the next big one.

1) Will it be in America or India?
2) Will Pakistan be given any time to respond or will it come under attack immediately. The Indian cold start doctrine might come into play.
3) Will Zardari accept the blame or will Pakistan call it a false flag?
4) How will the Pakistani media handle it? Their performance till now has been pathetic and a lot of the media have business deals with the US and India.
5) Will Pakistan be given an ultimatum to surrender like Musharraf was threatened with being bombed back to the stone age?
6) Will Pakistan give in or stand its ground?
7) Will Pakistan accept American/Indian bombing of its territory in order to avoid a full scale war?
8) Will Pakistan start attacking the Afghan Taliban in order to avoid being bombed?
9) If Pakistan stands up to American/Indian threats what will be the consequence?
10) Will the Americans be able to take control of Pakistan's nukes or at least render them in-operational while India attacks without fear?
11) Will Pakistan shut down the American supply routes?
12) Will the Americans try to occupy Baluchistan to restore supply lines?
13) Will the American-backed TTP start a massive suicide bombing campaign in Pakistan?
14) Will American forces enter Pakistan? From Afghanistan or the sea?
15) Will the Pakistan military fire on the Americans or will they fight with India while still treating America as a dear old friend?
16) Will Blackwater do large scale sabotage inside Pakistan?
17) Will the CIA-backed Zardari be eliminated or not?
18) What will be the outcome?

Another possibility is that the idea of a false-flag to be blamed on Pakistan is just a tactic to scare Pakistan into doing what the enemies want and in reality they have no plan to actually do it. By just making it seem like they'll do it they may be able to coerce Pakistan into bending to their wishes.

The reason to believe that they'll actually do it is that American cannot leave without finishing the job within Pakistan, and that job is to de-nuke it. That is the reasons the Americans are in Afghanistan and they WILL NOT go before this job is done. For years they've tried to destroy Pakistan internally by regime change, economic collapse, suicide bombings, BLA, TTP, Zardari etc but Pakistan is still standing. The Yugoslavia doctrine has so far failed to work in Pakistan. According to their calculations Pakistan should have collapsed by now but since it hasn't they may need to do a direct attack.

From India's perspective this is the golden opportunity that they could only dream about. The Americans and NATO sitting in Afghanistan ready to help India finish off Pakistan. They will never get this opportunity again so they have to take the risk now. They must have been assured by the Americans about suppressing the nukes.

[Aliph Ahmed]

Geedar ki jab maut ati hay to wo shehar ka rukh karta hay. India Pakistan ka rukh karayga.

[safdar]

Im a bit confused with the topic and you’re 18 point post! I’m going to answer both of you’re question of what is the overall out come of such an attack by USA and what we should do to prevent such an outcome, If its inevitable that USA will concoct such a plan to attack Pakistan then I think its games over for Pakistan, period!. And in that case, we only have one option left and yes you have guessed it we take India down with us, because after USA attacking and leaving Pakistan in about 10 years time we will be at the mercy of  Hindus for another 100 years to come and our children will never forgives us, because unlike Iraq we don’t have oil to rely on, we will have no external investment we don’t have it now and its never after we are living in the stone ages! basically we will never recover.

It’s live a 100 years of misery as slaves or live as a lion for one day and leave a stark reminder to those of who we were when we were present on this earth as Pakistanis.

The reason why I say this is because if USA has gone through all that trouble to plan an attack on its own soil and it carries out that attack and kills its own people, then Pakistan could even call the white house the kaba and do hajj there all year round and even that would not avert a USA attack on Pakistan because the whole purpose of doing a terrorist attack in USA was to destroy Pakistan, as it is much more cost effect and economical to destroy Pakistan then to trust it with a puppet regime and keep an eye on.

Pakistan cannot be de-nuked in a rhetorical sense by taking away its nukes, that does not make a nuclear state a non nuclear state, Pakistan has an indigenous nuclear deterrent and to root that out from its roots is not an easy tasks in fact if its not done properly (meaning even destroying nuclear facilities and collecting nuclear waste) it could just inflate the risk of an terrorist nuclear strike else where because scientists and documentation the knowledge and essence of that technology will still remain. In that sense we are looking at a big scale operation by USA to dismantle Pakistan’s nuclear capability right down to its possible improvised ideas by the next generation in the future and a lot of people will die in that process.

We cant directly stave off an attack by USA unless we risk heavy damage in retaliation and that is exactly what USA would want, then the only logical option is to some how not allow this plan of USA to be carried out by USA without an incident, meaning that we have to derail that plan to extent that it becomes farce and it gets global attention not due to the plight of Pakistan but due to a threat that could engulf the whole of south Asia.

On the other hand I quite like you’re point 8, if it get us off the hook, why not, because we could also kill karzai off in the process.

[sfhussain]

Im a bit confused with the topic and you’re 18 point post! I’m going to answer both of you’re question of what is the overall out come of such an attack by USA and what we should do to prevent such an outcome, If its inevitable that USA will concoct such a plan to attack Pakistan then I think its games over for Pakistan, period!.

Confused is acceptable - game over absoluely not. With 100+ nuclear tipped missiles the Pakistani target will be Indian, Western and Israeli Power projection areas - Air bases, diego garcia naval bases, core/army HQs etc. The net result will be western, Israeli and Indian ability to effectively project power in Pakistan will be reduced. The Western Expeditionary Forces will be reduced to more than hostages. The Western/israeli bitches know this and will not risk this resoponse.

Pakistan did not make nukes for as ornaments. They will be used and in a manner that will surprise the enemies.

It will be more like Western sanctions with hindu dogs coming acroos the border. We can handle that and the outcome will not be to Indian liking.  In this scenario Pakistan will cut off supply routes for the western Bitches. I doubt the situation will go beyond threats as long as Western Forces are in Afghanistan.

The scenario we need to plan for is post exit situation in Afghanistan.

And in that case, we only have one option left and yes you have guessed it we take India down with us, because after USA attacking and leaving Pakistan in about 10 years time we will be at the mercy of Hindus for another 100 years to come and our children will never forgives us, because unlike Iraq we don’t have oil to rely on, we will have no external investment we don’t have it now and its never after we are living in the stone ages! basically we will never recover.

That is more like a Hindu wet  dream.

Pakistan's response will be to call in the threat.

[faizan khaliq]

1.We need base exchange with Chinese,we give them few in Pakistan and get few on pacific coast line in China but question is will chinese go that far and if they do yankees won,t think of war.
2.Indians have to face their Waterloo  and there is no escape to it .Musharaf time was best for them to resolve issues with Pakistan but now when the tide has turned why should we
3.Their combination can be defeated if Chinese help us and can be contained if Chinese don,t
4.This john cary  and Brit PM is bullshit and we have to look eye to eye with white buggers or we will be made to fight at their terms.

[Ababeel]

1) Will it be in America or India?

My hypothesis is that its irrelevant, attack on Pakistan is not easy and the bulk of fighting will be tasked to Indians (cannon fodder) not US. Indians will be asked to do the job.

2) Will Pakistan be given any time to respond or will it come under attack immediately. The Indian cold start doctrine might come into play.

Simply going by violation of Pakistani airspace by Indians after Mumbai attacks, most likely cold start!

3) Will Zardari accept the blame or will Pakistan call it a false flag?

Zardari will accept blame, but Zardari and PPP government is irrelevant. Orchestrating a regime change in Pakistan is a childs play, so much experience has been gained over the years & current political dynamic is such that this time army will not even be needed to get out of the barracks to bring about a change.

4) How will the Pakistani media handle it? Their performance till now has been pathetic and a lot of the media have business deals with the US and India.

Initially each Media outlet will base it outlook on its own political affiliations and preferences. Those who will be promoting nationalist views will gain popularity in the long term, while those who will spread pessimism will enjoy fame for a day or week.

5) Will Pakistan be given an ultimatum to surrender like Musharraf was threatened with being bombed back to the stone age?

ultimatum would be given prior to false flag (most likely already has been given), Pakistan refusing to submit will cause for extreme measure of false flag. Although Pakistan would be told not to go non-conventional during the attack, or face catastrophic consequences.

6) Will Pakistan give in or stand its ground?

Pakistan will not be given ultimatum, most likely its already has been given, but extreme pressure would be placed on Pakistan not to go non-conventional. Most likely Pakistan will accept this pressure.

7) Will Pakistan accept American/Indian bombing of its territory in order to avoid a full scale war?

Indian bombing no way! Pakistan will respond.
US troops presence & bombing west of Indus, Pakistan will not directly engage the US most likely through proxy.

8) Will Pakistan start attacking the Afghan Taliban in order to avoid being bombed?

No! Once Pakistan has been isolated in International community and under attack for supporting Afghan resistance, then Pakistan at that point will start supporting Afghan Taliban. If one gets blamed and punished for eating ice cream, then at that point might as well eat ice cream. So far Pakistan has maintained communication with Afghan resistance, and has not supported them. Afghan Taliban have been getting support from Oipum trade, Road Tax, Black market weaponary, and other regional players like Iran. Pakistan strategy would be to orchestrate fall of Kabul regime, which Pakistan has not done due to WOT but that will most likely change!

[Ababeel]

9) If Pakistan stands up to American/Indian threats what will be the consequence?

Pakistan is going to stand up against India, and Indians will be asked to do a job with massive help from international community. If US attack Pakistan it will be under the guise of WOT, an open attack by US on Pakistan will be catastrophic for US interest in the region and for India & Pakistan.

Attack on Pakistan will be well calculated to ensure victory for India, while US put pressure from western borders, assumption would be that Pakistan will not survive. The mere fact that covert tricks have not worked in Pakistan has led to the desperation and need for a control conventional conflict, its in the interest of all parties to keep it conventional, going non-conventional is MAD and counterproductive to strategic interests. Assumption is that what could not be cracked through covert means and tricks, need to be done now by controled conventional means. The idea is to isolate Pakistan internationaly, orchestrate a conventional blow, all the while put extreme pressure on Pakistan to remain conevtional. There is a reason why the Indians are hawkish and confident about cold start as if they are dead sure (have guaranttees & assurances) that this conflict will remain conventional.

10) Will the Americans be able to take control of Pakistan's nukes or at least render them in-operational while India attacks without fear?

It’s hard to believe all of Pakistani nukes would be neutralized, but I see Pakistan under immense pressure not to go nuclear.

11) Will Pakistan shut down the American supply routes?

Its anybody guess at this point. If its not shut down completely then still there is no guarantee that supply route would be secured.

12) Will the Americans try to occupy Baluchistan to restore supply lines?

Strong possibility, and Yes there is a good chance that Anti-Pakistan Sardar who dont want to work within the framework of Pakistani state and are calling for Independence will be in the forefront to declare independence. The only problem is, like Afghanistan, Balochistan can be galvanized on ethnic nationalism and religious fervor. Anti-state Sardar have been invoking ethnic nationalism, while the only thing holding the religious tide from Qandahar sweeping down south to Balochistan is ISI. Anti state Sardars need to understand that there is no guarantee that ISI will uphold that wall of protection if India attack Pakistan and Balochistan decides to go independent.

13) Will the American-backed TTP start a massive suicide bombing campaign in Pakistan?

TTP is already defeated though not out, it will most likely split and loose steam.

14) Will American forces enter Pakistan? From Afghanistan or the sea?

Yes! Thats what Hillary meant, not necessarily a full attack on Pakistan. A False flag gives the case for that.

15) Will the Pakistan military fire on the Americans or will they fight with India while still treating America as a dear old friend?

Will fight India openly b/c India will attack Pakistan openly, with US my guess is that it will be covertly via proxies.

16) Will Blackwater do large scale sabotage inside Pakistan?

Most likely!

17) Will the CIA-backed Zardari be eliminated or not?

An attack on Pakistan will any case be end of Zardari.

18) What will be the outcome?

Allah only knows how much damage Pakistan will face, but I doubt Pakistan will be out.

[platinum786]

In such a scenario, we're probably going to get nuked, so you may as well nuke your enemy first.

We need to have nuclear missiles armed and aimed at India and Israel, ready to deploy if we feel our nuclear infrastructure is attacked. There is no point waiting to be de-fanged and then whine like a b1tch, just strike at the first sign of trouble, and accept shahadat.

Before any nuclear strike however, at the first declaration of war, or when it is inevitable, we need to take out the US carriers and bases in our region and the middle east, even if this means using nuclear weapons in middle eastern countries. Without their invasion force, they'll need at least a month or two to re-arm, and the cost of the first blow will make them think twice at least.

As for India, if the USA plan to attack, guarunteed the Indians will too. Move the armies to the border, first strike on frontline bases, surge the troops forward, attack infrastructure.

We won't survive any such war, but we need to ensure at the end of it, we destroy as much of American and allied power as possible and ensure there is no India and no Israel on the face of the earth.

[sfhussain]

Without their invasion force, they'll need at least a month or two to re-arm, and the cost of the first blow will make them think twice at least.

With their force projections bases levelled, with casualties and body bags etc - there will be punitive strikes bit western and indian will be finished as war mongerers. Israelis wont be as arrogant any more.

This will put china and russia centre stage - world changes.

[Tamerlane]

The biggest danger is the enemies underestimating the ferocity of the Pakistani response to any attack. It encourages them to attack.

Unfortunately Pakistan is taken for granted and the recent history of Pakistan continuously surrendering its interests in the face of Indian/American threats gives the enemies the impression that Pakistan will surrender once again and will not have the guts to respond aggressively, especially with nuclear weapons.

Especially with the white man like US and UK Pakistan lies down like a mat for them to walk over. They will never take it seriously that Pakistan has the guts to attack them. Even after the British Prime Mother calling Pakistan a terrorist nation Zardari is going to kiss their asses.

As of now the actual actions Pakistan has taken are all submissive and the only tough talk we ever hear is on PDF. If I was an American I would listen to the submissive talk of the Pakistani rulers, not what we say on PDF.

Sad but that's the truth.

[rungroot]

In the very likely event of another false flag operation, we as a nation, as a people MUST be proactively ready to stand firm with our Pak Armed Forces and denounce the american false flag operation for what it exactly is; a low down dirty trick to create more crap on the face of this earth.  We must start raising the alarm bells against this NOW and we also must sent a clear message that this "you are with us or against us" BULLSH!T is going to result in them getting burried dead in their piglike hooves!!!

We can't expect anything but apologies from our government but as a nation united with its armed forces, we must send a clear message that says that they have fooled the world for the last time and now we will punish them like no nation in the history of mankind has ever been punished before.  WE MUST PUT THE FEAR OF GOD ALL MIGHTY IN THERE BLACK HEARTS IN SUCH A HARSH WAY THAT THEIR NEXT 30 GENERATIONS WILL BE BORN SHIVERING WITH FEAR ON THE NAME OF THE GREAT NATION AND THE NEXT SUPER POWER Pakistan

[Tamerlane]

Assembling the evidence for high liklihood of coming third world war
David Edward Standridge, 30 July, 2010

In no particular order, these are the salient points that are converging, rapidly, screaming out our inexorable collision with National disaster:

–Very high levels of saber-rattling by lots of influential people, both in the US and abroad, both “allies” and “enemies” in recent weeks, moreso than usual.

–Huge build-up of Naval forces, US and Israeli, munitions, in Gulf AO.

–Key positions in US military, all branches, held by Israeli dual citizens

–Israeli control of communications in US, most other vital infrastructure; –”Mysterious” series of mass pollution disasters in Gulf of Mexico, Mississippi River and Great Lakes region—(NOTE–Israeli companies “guard” or control many of the United States’ fresh water supplies, as well as many other critical strategic infrastructure components. Frighteningly, they even are in charge of security for our nuclear arsenal! Remember the “missing” nuke a couple of years ago-still unaccounted for?)

–American dollar, the entire US economy, on the verge of collapse;

–Chinese high-ranking finance official publicly declaring the US is “insolvent” (NOTE–as oil is mostly priced in dollars, war in Persian Gulf would raise the dollar, as price of oil would skyrocket. Would also destroy threat of Iranian Oil Bourse)

–American Majority nearly in open revolt over relentless Socialist policies of Obama Administration and Congress, i.e., Tea Parties, anti-illegal invasion movement, the militia movement growing larger than ever in the past two years alone. The Majority is finally standing up, and they are mad as hell.

–A revolution is, for the first time since 1861, a very real possibility.

–High potential for violent confrontation, racial tensions. Black/White and White/Mexican antagonism being stoked by government and media to the boiling point…record arms and ammo sales since Obama inaugurated-possible Mossad assassination or birth certificate scandal becoming mainstream. Gun-owning Majority Americans MUST be decimated for realization of the “Jewish Utopia”…and they are already behind schedule, largely due to internet.

–Wikileaks black-op by Mossad/CIA to push for Lieberman bill to “regulate” internet-gatekeeping, at best, kill-switch at worst…MUST be accomplished before the conflagration begins.

–US combat troops may be cut-off and annihilated overseas, leaving skeleton crew for CONUS.

–Huge civilian “shortage” of critical battlefield medications, many for nuke treatment, also some for euthanasia; vast numbers of cheap coffins in holding areas all over US.

–Easy to blame Obama for open border policy if “backpack” WMD hits US city/i.e., stampede the herd into Holy War against Islam, possibly impeachment, revolution, CWII.

–Many Israeli embassies read “hot” for nuke material, blackmailing government. Also, with 9-11.

–Agitating North Korea in blatant attempt to stir-up hostilities, full-scale war. Could be used as excuse to destroy our main creditor, China, and wipe out the debt to them.

DEDUCTION:

Israel adheres to the Talmudic doctrine that THEY are the “chosen”, and all others must submit to their rule, period, no matter the scope of destruction, death and suffering (even of their own, “lesser brethren”).It is well known to many that Israel is quite willing to embroil the major powers in a suicidal war, leaving them to pick up the pieces, and assert themselves as the sole superpower in the world. They, the “Learned Elders” have always throughout their history, sought nothing less than total domination of the entire WORLD, and everyone in it. Remember, the blue stripes on the Israeli flag represent the Nile and the Euphrates rivers, again even though their entire raison d’etre is global conquest, Eretz Israel is simply their “heartland”, with the Temple “rebuilt” at Jerusalem, at the site of The Dome Of The Rock.

A likely scenario, considering the above evidence, is that the US will have one or more cities attacked–probably with nukes or some other WMD.

It will, necessarily, be a mass-casualty event, dwarfing the “shock and awe” of 9-11.

Iran, N Korea, possibly Russia, China, someone (Pakistan?) will be blamed (they may even resuscitate Osama Bin Laden for the event, as Wikileaks says, “yeah, he’s been hangin’ out in Pakistan all this time(!)”) but it is, of course, the Mossad and their US collaborators who are the ones who will carry out this mass slaughter of Americans.

It is very alarming that the Jewish controlled media could steer us into conflict with Russia and/or China (wipe out our unpayable debt obligation), as well as Iran, or whomever else the Jews command us to “sic”. After all, despite even the power of the internet, Americans were brought onboard to invade Iraq, FOR NO REASON. The media is, today, MUCH less influential than then, therefore the necessity of clamping down on the internet.

Massive retaliation by US/Israeli forces…The next, most opportune time for any air assault is 10 August-a new moon. It should be considered, also, that the US/Israel may simply strike Iran around that date, whether we have been attacked yet or not-but, the System is, definitely, preparing for mass-casualty events and radiological casualties, perhaps as “retaliation by turrsts”-right-o.

Something is just around the bend, America, something that will utterly change our world forever!

Just my analysis of geopolitical events and the stories being pushed by the MSM, and studying our national political situation; could be wrong, of course-AND I HOPE SO! If not, though, it can’t hurt to do what we should be doing, anyway : physically, mentally, and spiritually PREPARE!

David Edward Standridge, 30 July, 2010

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/07/...hird-world-war/

[Tamerlane]

If the false-flag is done in America then it will involve some kind of nuclear element. I believe that the Americans WILL do an event on themselves because they need to justify the large-scale use of nuclear weapons which is the only way they can destroy Iran and Pakistan for the sake of Israel.

The likely scenario is that they'll blow up a ship in a second-tier American port city. The ship will be filled with dirty-bomb material and cause radioactivity in the area. The US government will create a panic by evacuating the city. They will blame Pakistanis for transporting the dirty-bomb in a container.

The American public will then demand nuclear retaliation on Pakistan and Iran. America will threaten to destroy Pakistan with nuclear bombing unless Pakistan surrenders and hands over its nuclear weapons to American forces. They have the JSOC sitting in Afghanistan which specializes in seizing nuclear material. And Blackwater is also present to help out.

The scenario I'm predicting, if it happens, I can't see any Pakistani ruler, civilian or military, resisting the threat of full scale nuclear annihilation. This would be 100 times worse than the threat to Musharraf. I can visualize them surrendering the nukes and telling the Pakistani public how they saved the country.

[Tamerlane]

I don't want to create despair by saying all this. I know 100% that ultimately victory will inshallah be ours but we're going to go through hell first. Islamic prophecies predict the coming wars and also predict victory for Muslims.

No need to fear death. We're going to jam-pack Paradise with Pakistanis.

[sfhussain]

No need to fear death. We're going to jam-pack Paradise with Pakistanis.

No despair - i rather see the arabs do the "jam pack" - as they are the ones who started the "Arab" vs "Jewish" stuff. Pakistanis I see them as Ghazis in Ghazwa Hind.

The American public will then demand nuclear retaliation on Pakistan and Iran. America will threaten to destroy Pakistan with nuclear bombing unless Pakistan surrenders and hands over its nuclear weapons to American forces.

Pakistan will not surrender it weaponry - rather it would go on "Very High Alert" and take Pre-Emptive action. This choice is NOT linked to any "leaders" or "COAS".

Some will disagree - Let time tell - it is not far off. I still remember the time to explode the nukes and before - the "XXX" pundits including the JI jamiatias (indian agents) spewing all that BS - with kadoo ganja nawaz in even stronger position but to no avail.

[sfhussain]

1. ISI – Pakistan - http://www.smashinglists.com/10-best-intel...s-in-the-world/
Formed 1948
Jurisdiction Government of Pakistan
Headquarters Islamabad, Pakistan
Agency executive Lieutenant General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, PA Director General

With the lengthiest track record of success, the best know Intelligence so far on the scale of records is ISI. The Inter-Services Intelligence was created as an independent unit in 1948 in order to strengthen the performance of Pakistan’s Military Intelligence during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947. Its success in achieving its goal without leading to a full scale invasion of Pakistan by the Soviets is a feat unmatched by any other through out the intelligence world. KGB, The best of its time, failed to counter ISI and protect Soviet interests in Central Asia. This GOLD MEDAL makes it rank higher than Mossad. It has had 0 double agents or Defectors through out its history, considering that in light of the whole war campaign it carried out from money earned by selling drugs bought from the very people it was bleeding, The Soviets. It has protected its Nuclear Weapons since formed and it has foiled Indian attempts to attain ultimate supremacy in the South-Asian theatres through internal destabilization of India. It is above All laws in its host country Pakistan ‘A State, with in a State’. Its policies are made ‘outside’ of all other institutions with the exception of The Army. Its personnel have never been caught on camera. Its is believed to have the highest number of agents worldwide, close to 10,000. The most striking thing is that its one of the least funded Intelligence agency out of the top 10 and still the strongest.

[faizan khaliq]

1.I doubt NATO is any position to wage war on Pakistan ,Yanks won,t bite the hand which give them money and Chinese influence will not let it happen
2,This is pro Zionist lobby who want to pitch yanks against Pakistan. Are the yanks that stupid well  if they are still Pakistan will stand
3.Pakistan might pull out of this war on whatever and nothing will happen

[Caesar]

China will veto any such move -- end of the story before it even starts. US can't act unilaterally without Security council backing. India will have to act alone and I don't think vege eating morons can do anything.

There are plenty of cards still to be played. I hope one of them is ICBM -- this alone will shut everyone and everything down in the West.

Thank you.

[Pak-Eye]

China will veto any such move -- end of the story before it even starts. US can't act unilaterally without Security council backing. India will have to act alone and I don't think vege eating morons can do anything.
Thank you.

Caeser, you do realize what happened to UN and its resolutions before Iraq invasion ...

A dying super power will go to any extent for her zionist ... sorry national interests

[Caesar]

Caeser, you do realize what happened to UN and its resolutions before Iraq invasion ...

A dying super power will go to any extent for her zionist ... sorry national interests

Just to elaborate a bit more, a Chinese VETO means "Don't You Dare Attack my Ally"...... that should be enough warning to anyone including US.

It is not as easy as guys are making it to be.

[Tamerlane]

GORDON DUFF: FALSE FLAG NUKE ATTACK ON U.S. JUSTIFIED….”KING’S TORAH”
August 2, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff

ISRAEL TO USE IRANIAN AND Pakistani DUPES IN DIRTY NUKE PLOY
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

This week, the last piece fell into place.  The National Research Council, part of the National Academy of Science, heavy on politics and light on science, announced that America was no longer able to track nukes threatening our shores.  Their report titled Nuclear Forensics: A Capability at Risk, released last week, outlines the details of a secret study requested by the Departments of Homeland Security, Defense and Energy, specifically the National Nuclear Security Administration.   The gist of the story is easy, if a nuke goes off in America, dirty nuke in Times Square, one in a container at a port, anywhere, America won’t be able to tell who made it.  Not a word of the report is true.  It is wild speculation and disinformation written in broad language with no hard science, written for a reason.

A powerful group within the United States, one with influence over the press and the ability to derail an investigation as was done with 9/11, has been “tasked” with laying the groundwork for a terrorist attack on America, one using nuclear material.  This report, unneeded, and highly inaccurate was printed in the New York Times to provide “cover.”  It isn’t just this report, the pieces are falling together around the world.  The Wiki-Leaks story, pre staging Pakistan’s ISI as a terrorist organization, a story built out of almost no information but fleshed out with massive speculation by “operatives” in the press is part of the process.

The Defense Authorization Act of 2006 allows, “in case of a terrorist attack” for the president to declare marshal law, disband congress and rule by executive decree.  With the suspension of habeas corpus by the Military Commissions act, also in 2006, America as we know it officially comes to an end the second a weapon of mass destruction in used.  Only then will America learn who has been pulling the strings all along, who is scripting Wolf Blitzer and Glen Beck.

British Prime Minister David Cameron’s attacks on Pakistan, made from New Delhi last week, seen by most as a serious political blunder, are part of the narrative.  We will get to more background on a younger David Cameron later.

Another piece of the puzzle involved a federal task force, Defense, Energy, FBI, descending on a warehouse in Greenfield, Indiana under the guise of a “records search.”  This “Waco style” assault on a facility storing furniture for college dorm rooms was much more than it seemed.  No case, criminal or civil, provided any underlying reason for the search.

Further, the bizarre tale of rumored missing nukes, illegally transported on a B-52 from Minot AFB to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana, a major Defense Department scandal, is meant to create, not only fear and doubt, but “plausible deniability” if a weapon is exploded inside the US.  These, however, are not, by far, the only missing nuclear weapons America has to fear as we will get into later.

Two recent attacks, the “Times Square Fizzler” and the Detroit “Crotch Bomber” were both amateurish affairs except for a couple of things.  Both perpetrators had strong ties to Israeli organizations, one actually employed by an Israeli-American financial firm, the other the son of Israel’s primary partner in their defense industry complex in Nigeria.  None of this was reported or investigated once discovered.  It was shoved under the rug immediately.  When cursory investigations of both suspects showed travel histories only possible with significant help from an intelligence agency, both stories disappeared from the news entirely.  It is as though everyone involved vanished from the face of the earth like the second person arrested in Detroit or the “well dressed Indian” who aided the “Crotch Bomber” onto the plane in Amsterdam.

LEGAL JUSTIFICATION FOR ATTACKS ON GENTILES

Conservative interpretations of Jewish law, currently being used to justify resettlement of Palestinians and even total removal of all non-Jews from greater Palestine and adjacent areas have long been used to justify acts such as the attack on the USS Liberty, bombings of US facilities in Egypt and, less openly, “false flag” terror attacks attributed to Muslims but performed by Israeli security forces.  Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira and Rabbi Yosef Elitzur, seen as the ethical conscience behind the Netanyahu government have taken the following position as reported by Jonathan Cook:

“In the 230-page book, Shapira and his co-author, Rabbi Yosef Elitzur (The King’s Torah,currently Israel’s best selling book)  argue that Jewish law permits the killing of non-Jews in a wide variety of circumstances. They write that Jews have the right to kill Gentiles in any situation in which “a non-Jew’s presence endangers Jewish lives” even if the Gentile is “not at all guilty for the situation that has been created”.  

The book sanctions the killing of non-Jewish children and babies: “There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.”  

The rabbis suggest that harming the children of non-Jewish leaders is justified if it is likely to bring pressure to bear on them to change policy.  The authors also advocate committing “cruel deeds to create the proper balance of terror” and treating all members of an “enemy nation” as targets for retaliation, even if they are not directly participating in hostile activities.” (false flag terrorism)

This rationale allows deadly force to be used against Christians if their deaths advance the cause of Israeli security even if only through economic profit.  Thus, if an attack such as 9/11 were to lead to America fighting wars against enemies of Israel or if, as in Afghanistan, Israeli companies were to profit from weapons or narcotics sales, any deaths of gentiles, no matter how innocent, would be justified by Jewish law as stated in the Torah.

Were an attack on the United States to bring that country to war against Iran, even if that attack were perpetrated by Israelis, it would be legal according to Israeli law, the same law being relied upon for justice in the attack on the Mavi Marmara.

More often however, attacks on Israel itself are believed to have been staged, not only to instill the population with fear and rage but to continue the “holocaust” tradition of Jewish victimhood as a justification for policies that have led to 62 vetoes in the United Nations by the US, vetoes against sanctions imposed against Israel for violations of international law.

We expect increased attacks on Israel, quickly tied to Hezbollah and Iran, attacks that will either involve no casualties or the deaths of either foreign workers or Russian emigres.  This pattern has been used repeatedly, such as the March 18 “attack” killing a lone Thai ”guest” worker time to coincide with the visit of the European Union’s high commissioner for security, Catherine Ashton, a critic of Israel’s apartheid policy in Gaza.

On a side note, 400 children of “guest workers” are being expelled from Israel this week.  Eventually all will be expelled, guilty of destroying “the Jewish character” through lack of “racial purity.”

When the US and Israel released Sharam Amiri, alleged Iranian nuclear scientist, we learned one thing.  There is an inventory of Muslims, perhaps arrested, perhaps kidnapped, maybe lured into custody, rendition, imprisonment or “cold storage,” whatever you want to call it.  Each one has an elaborate “legend” built around them, describing them as a “lone gunman” or “terrorist mastermind.”  This is the group that will supply the names and photographs we will see after the next terror attack.

As Wayne Madsen described to us this week, this was the process the CIA and Mossad used to create Osama bin Laden from nothing.  The organization we know of as Al Qaeda is, in itself, a false creation, an invention initially to serve as terrorist when we needed them and as enemies when we needed them too:

Press clips gathered by the CIA and discovered in the National Archives’ stored CIA files point to an agency keenly interested in any leaks about the highly-classified CIA-Mossad program to establish Osama Bin Laden and the most radical elements of the Afghan Mujahidin as the primary leaders of the anti-Soviet rebels in the 1980s.

WMR [Wayne Madsen Report] has pored through the CIA files and a complicated picture emerges of America’s and Israel’s top intelligence agencies, in cahoots with Saudi Arabia, establishing financial links and carve out intelligence programs to provide manpower and financial support to Bin Laden and his allies in Afghanistan. It was these very elements that later created the so-called “Al Qaeda,” which the late British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook described as nothing more than a “database” of CIA front organizations, financial supporters, and field operatives. However, one component omitted by Cook in the Al Qaeda construct is the Israeli participation.”

A pattern of evidence is emerging that “cold storage” dupes and CIA/Mossad nurtured organizations may have had a hand in, not only the Mumbai attacks but the London and Madrid bombings as well.  Additional trails are leading to attacks on American troops inside Iraq and Afghanistan and against security forces inside Pakistan, particularly against Pakistan’s ISI, primary target of press stories on the recent Wiki-Leak.

Continued...

[Tamerlane]

AMERICA AND THE “TORY NUKES”

There are two reasons to attack America’s “forensic capabilities” when it comes to nuclear weapons.  A leak the press chose not to cover, one bringing Israel under scrutiny for egregious violations of international treaties on Nuclear Proliferation, treaties Israel has never signed, were brought to the surface recently.  Back on September 22 1979, Israel and South Africa tested a nuclear device, an 18.2 kiloton bomb.  This test in a remote area of the Indian Ocean was detected by America’s VELA satellite system and confirmed by acoustic sensors.  A forensic signature of this weapon was developed, not only through optics but through particle emissions.  When an identical weapon was detonated by North Korea on May 25, 2009, a question was raised.  How did a nuclear weapon built by Armscor, an Israel company operating in South Africa, end up in North Korea?

This is the story of the “Tory nukes,” nuclear weapons purchased by Margaret Thatcher in 1991 from South Africa under a secret authorization describing the weapons as “cylinders.”  Those involved in putting this bombs into special containers, transporting them to Durban and then off to a container storage facility in Oman from which they disappeared are now filling volumes.  When the weapons containers which had laid unguarded for months in a container yard in Oman were forwarded to the United States for dis-assembly in accordance with treaty requirements, only concrete blocks were found.  The disappearance has been directly tied to two arms traders who ran illegal trafficking for Israel and South Africa during the Iran-Iraq War.

The accused were business partners in the “Ollie North era” Reagan hijinks known as Iran Contra.  The “thieves” were connected to the highest levels of, not only Israeli intelligence but the CIA as well.

Israel says Saddam stole the weapons.

As late as 2003, Tony Blair used this “tale” to back what Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg calls “the illegal invasion of Iraq.”  Blair had financial incentives to back the invasion, several million of them, as secret letters leaked to the press but never printed have shown.

PRIME MINISTER DAVID CAMERON, DR. DAVID KELLY AND ARMSCORE

Back in 1990, a very young David Cameron, later to become Prime Minister David Cameron, was offered a free trip to South Africa, paid for by Israeli owned Armscor, a nuclear weapons manufacturer.  Cameron was supposedly working with Dr. David Kelly investigating weapons of mass destruction in South Africa.  In fact something much different was going on.  On January 16, 2005, Tim Shipman, Defense Editor of the Sunday Express released the following story, one never reported in US papers.  Today, Dr. David Kelly is dead, clearly murdered because of what he knew and David Cameron is in India carefully reading from a script written in Tel Aviv.  This is the 2005 story from the Express:

”Dr. David Kelly, the weapons expert who died in mysterious circumstances after the Iraq war, may have been about to reveal alarming details concerning missing nuclear weapons. Sources familiar with Dr Kelly’s work with South Africa’s security services say he also knew damaging details of how nuclear weapons decommissioned by South Africa were lost in the Middle East in 1991……..

DR. DAVID KELLY, "SUICIDED" MISSING NUKE WHISTLEBLOWER

Informed experts who have contacted the Sunday Express claim the missing nuclear weapons found their way to Iraq.  The claims raise new questions about the extent of Dr Kelly’s knowledge of British security secrets, which some insiders believe may have contributed to his death.  Some believe he may have been silenced to prevent him revealing more secrets to the media.  The South African weapons allegedly went missing in Oman on their way to be decommissioned in the US and may have then been smuggled to Iraq.  A source claimed: “Dr Kelly knew about the South African nukes because he worked for research facilities there.

Over the last year intelligence sources in both Britain and America have told journalists they believe that whatever Doomsday arsenal Saddam Hussein had accumulated before the second Gulf War was smuggled into Syria before the Spring 2003 invasion.

Last month the Sunday Express revealed that MI5 investigators looking for details of Dr Kelly’s involvement with the South African government, seized his laptop computers after he died. The coroner charged with investigating the Government scientist’s death has said he will not reopen the case.”

While British and American troops stormed across Iraq in 2003, searching for these missing nukes, defense experts now fear they had been in Israeli hands all along, a secret Dr. David Kelly was no longer willing to keep, one that led to his death.  The missing containers may easily have been transferred to the Netherlands, Nigeria or even the United States, perhaps even Indiana or Toledo as is now rumored.  British police have raided the homes of many involved in the missing weapons, seizing computers, personal papers and “frightening the hell out of people.”  Some of those terrorized are scheduled witnesses for the Iraq War inquiry.

ONLY AMERICAN DEAD CAN PRE-STAGE THE IRAN ATTACK

This summer, Turkey and Brazil negotiated a deal with Iran to remove any nuclear fuel that could be used for weapons development.  It was exactly what everyone had been asking for.  President Obama ignored it and pushed for sanctions demanded by Israel.  Russia cancelled the sale of an S300 air defense system to Iran and voted to back sanctions against its ally, Iran also.  The relationship between Tel Aviv and the Russian oligarchs, seen so clearly during the Jonathan Pollard spy scandal, had reappeared for public again though no news organization picked any of this up.

With secret Israeli bases, believed used for transit of narcotics from Afghanistan, ringing Iran, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and other nations in the region, and US supplies and munitions in place or being delivered through Black Sea ports, only American public opinion is holding up an attack on Iran, despite the fact that Iran’s president Ahmadinejad has requested an immediate conference with President Obama to “settle outstanding issues.”

UPSTAGING 9/11

Even though Iran is isolated, even from its Islamic neighbors, it has a substantial defensive capability.  Iran can quickly destroy all gulf region oil production facilities and close off shipping to that region, an act likely to collapse all western economies in days.  Militarily, however, Iran is unable to defend itself against the vast technological superiority of the United States.  However, after a decade of wars with Iraq remaining, not only unstable but increasingly so, and the United States facing defeat in Afghanistan, the American people are unlikely to want to begin a new conflict, especially with an adversary much more powerful than either  Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel as the only ally, a country the United States has no mutual defense treaty with and no ability to sustain conflict beyond its own immediate borders for more than 48 hours.

Earlier this year, Israeli military historian Dr. Martin Van Creveld announced Israel’s “King Torah” policy toward the “gentile nations:”

“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital…most European capitals would become preferred targets for the Israeli air force.”

The legal justification for a nuclear attack is in place, part of Israeli law.  The will to do so is there if such an attack can be pulled off and few doubt Israel’s ability who have seen the power of the Israeli lobby in Washington and have spoken of their control of the press, such as with the recent media castration of director Oliver Stone.

The tools are in place.  Israel is believed to possess two Hiroshima sized nuclear weapons, weapons that can be used freely because the media is ready to claim them to be “stolen” by Muslims if told to do so.  The third weapon was exploded by North Korea with the media blackout leaving Israel as the only possible source for this weapon.  No nation has the power to black out a leak like that one, not a leak that exposes Israel as a rogue arms dealer, first to apartheid South Africa, then Libya and both Iraq and Iran during their war and finally North Korea.

The ground is prepared, America is now stripped of “forensic” ability to track nuclear explosions, so the cover story tells us.  Israel still threatens the world with the missing nukes, weapons reason tells us they control.  Any container in any port, any truck, any warehouse could hide these weapons, anywhere in the United States.

When it happens, the vast majority of Americans will find the trail left, Pakistanis, Iranians, all as planned.  They will immediately call for the destruction of the Islamic world as is intended by Israel.  The internet will be shut down, congress sent home and anyone mentioning that only Israel profits and that only Israel could have done it will be imprisoned, as intended.

They learned from 9/11.  Too many questions were asked.  They won’t make the same mistake again.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/02/go...ied-king-torah/

[Caesar]

On PakDef, H Khan is a prominent member and Admin. His signatures say:


Pakistanis (irrespective of their standing in society) exult gossip, paranoia, superstition, and conspiracy theories more than the science of history- H Khan


And this is so freaking true!!!

[haroons222]

On PakDef, H Khan is a prominent member and Admin. His signatures say:


Pakistanis (irrespective of their standing in society) exult gossip, paranoia, superstition, and conspiracy theories more than the science of history- H Khan


And this is so freaking true!!!

Funny coming from a guy who is obsessed with the extra-terrestrial



JK....NOTHING BUT LOVE!

[Pak-Eye]

Funny coming from a guy who is obsessed with the extra-terrestrial



JK....NOTHING BUT LOVE!

That was nasty ...

[SurvivoR]

Well we all know that any US Administration nowadays is a Zionist puppet, hence it would be a good move if Pakistan in such times acts boldly and point some its missiles towards Tel Aviv as well. India stepping in would be a welcome uniting factor for us all, even the brainwashed TTP would be willing to go against these "Kuffaar"...

Anyway, honestly this time around the false flag would need to be even greater than 9/11 for them to attack Pakistan, considering this attack takes place with in the US homeland. Probably a small nuke blast. Does anybody recall those nukes that went missing from the US Air force inventory some time back. What happened to them? Did they find em, officially i mean? They seem to be too concerned for us when they are the ones losing nukes!!!

Anyway, we need to be proactive and be ready for any eventuality of a false flag op.

Pakistan ka ALLAH Haafiz. Inshallah.

[faizan khaliq]

On PakDef, H Khan is a prominent member and Admin. His signatures say:


Pakistanis (irrespective of their standing in society) exult gossip, paranoia, superstition, and conspiracy theories more than the science of history- H Khan


And this is so freaking true!!!

he represent a particular class of Pakistani,s

[Caesar]

Funny coming from a guy who is obsessed with the extra-terrestrial



JK....NOTHING BUT LOVE!

Not surprised such comments coming from you. You are a perfect example of people whose lives depend on GOSSIPS.

At least I think "Cosmic" -- you think "Cheap". I am glad I am not one of your types.

So when's US invading Pakistan??  .... what a fruit cake!!

[Caesar]

he represent a particular class of Pakistani,s

He represents 'Educated' Pakistanis whose thinking is based on healthy logical debates, and whose actions are where their mouths are -- unlike some here, example the Fruit cake I just mentioned above, who have nothing better to do than to spread rumours about their own country.

[faizan khaliq]

He represents 'Educated' Pakistanis whose thinking is based on healthy logical debates, and whose actions are where their mouths are -- unlike some here, example the Fruit cake I just mentioned above, who have nothing better to do than to spread rumours about their own country.

I am talking of being too pro western , too biased  once it come to yanks , sorry but to be paranoid is better than closed eyed pigeon.Education does not mean pro Americanism  hope you are not H khan yourself.What rumours you talks about  one should anticipate the danger and plan for worst ,if worst does not happen it is good but if it does then one should be ready

[Tamerlane]

Unfortunately Caesar is just trying to derail the thread. Instead of saying why he's certain America won't do another false-flag he's just calling people conspiracy theorists and fruitcakes.

Calling someone a conspiracy theorist is like a Jew calling someone an anti-semite to shut down a discussion when they run out of arguments.

Anyways, this thread is about if it happens how will we deal with it. I don't really want to discuss why if won't happen. If Caesar is sure it won't happen then he can open his own thread about how the Americans are as harmless as Santa Claus bringing presents.

[Caesar]

Anyways, this thread is about if it happens how will we deal with it.

Tamer it doesn't take an Einstein to understand that a thread based on "If it Happens" is still nothing more than a rumour machine. And to top that off the thread is opened in "PD/PDF think tank" section. I fail to comprehend why should a rumour mill be opened in a Think Tank section rather than in the main section just like any other thread based on rumours? Your assertion of thread derailment are absurd cause I am pointing to the truth rather than participating in your rumours and spreading despair.

The main reason I am against such threads is cause it is doing us harm than good. It spreads despair and negative attitude in general Pak masses, who are already struggling with their basic needs. Our main goals here on PDF should be to present Pak in as positive way as possible, and concentrate on the good news rather than multiplying on a bad news.

We do a lot of india bashing, and we know for sure a lot of their people live below poverty lines, but their media or such forums never potray such a negative picture of they own  country.

I also don't like the fact that people have double standards -- US is helping Pak people in they hour of need due to catastropic floods. And yet some here don't want to acknowledge this good deed and still think this as a US ploy, specially some fruitcakes here.

Personally I do have concerns about some of the Western activities here but I also know that such activities cannot be carried out without the involvement of our own military and government. I also have concerns about the next false flag but such flags are nothing more than pressure tactics. It is not an easy thing to challenge a nuclear armed country.

[Tamerlane]

Discussing this issue is not tantamount to spreading despair. We're talking about something that has a very real possibility of happening. I can start posting tons and tons of articles about why I think it might happen but I want to keep the scope of this discussion within a narrow band so I'm not doing that.

1) We're not discussing if 911 was a false-flag or not. I believe it was and if you don't then we could discuss it elsewhere. Same with 7/7 in London and others like Bombay.
2) We not discussing if America will do it or not. I think it is very possible. If you think it won't then we can discuss it elsewhere.

What we are discussing is if it happens.

Any Think Tank worth its salt will discuss every possibility even it's only got a remote chance of happening. Pakistan and Pakistanis has been blamed for many things recently and it's a legitimate scenario for us to talk about.

Why should it spread despair to brainstorm various scenarios? We're not saying that we'll lose.

If you don't like it then you're welcome to ignore it but please don't try to derail the thread.

[Caesar]

1) We're not discussing if 911 was a false-flag or not. I believe it was and if you don't then we could discuss it elsewhere. Same with 7/7 in London and others like Bombay.

Here is a question: When 9/11 happened US had the world support, and it could have attacked any country it wished to, and yet it did not attack Pakistan. Why??? If Pakistan is the biggest threat as per you and one or two others here than why US not take that golden opportunity and attack Pakistan?

[faizan khaliq]

Here is a question: When 9/11 happened US had the world support, and it could have attacked any country it wished to, and yet it did not attack Pakistan. Why??? If Pakistan is the biggest threat as per you and one or two others here than why US not take that golden opportunity and attack Pakistan?

Once we plan war then we plan aftermath as well.The US have not been able to contain Afghanistan how would a country of our size would be tackled.US might not had reached Afghanistan.The only possibility was they come in India and stage their invasion from there but again It was too big a gamble and scope of war would have extended beyond the capability of US even plus they got what they wanted and preferred to secure our strategic depth before doing something to us and lastly the Nuclear power is not attacked before securing their Nukes and that is where ISI and CIA are pitched against each other for Pakistan occupied Afghanistan is nightmare and constant source of instability with in our main land we have to secure it from foreign occupation whether it is occupied by USSR or US

[Tamerlane]

Here is a question: When 9/11 happened US had the world support, and it could have attacked any country it wished to, and yet it did not attack Pakistan. Why??? If Pakistan is the biggest threat as per you and one or two others here than why US not take that golden opportunity and attack Pakistan?

Because like I said in the first post the assumption was that Pakistan would collapse by now. Terrorism, BLA, TTP, regime change, economic collapse, media demonization, inserting India into Afghanistan, giving weapons to India, Blackwater, drone attacks, suicide bombing - everything that is possible has been done to Pakistan. Very few countries would have survived this punishment yet Pakistan is still standing. It's called the Yugoslavia Doctrine and not surprisingly Richard Holbrook presided over the collapse of that country.

Secondly, at that time they had very little information on Pakistan. Now, not only is Pakistan softened up, but they have 100 times more data on Pakistan and 1000's of agents inside the country.

Thirdly, the purpose is to collapse the whole Muslim world. That's why Bush said it will take 30 years to win this war. It's a long term process to eliminate all resistance in the Islamic world and to secularize it. As part of this process they need to go for one country at a time. Practically no Muslim country is left that has not been bombed by the Americans and their allies. The last two major Muslim powers that remain are Iran and Pakistan, and guess what, these are the countries they're concentrating on now.

This will not be the end. They're going to finally go for Saudi Arabia once there's no military resistance left in the Muslim world.

But, like I said, if you want to have a long discussion on this topic please create another thread about American objectives in the region.

[Caesar]

But, like I said, if you want to have a long discussion on this topic please create another thread about American objectives in the region.

And this shows your lack of understanding of the situation -- American objectives in the region and Pakistan are tied together. You cannot discuss one without the other. Anyhow, continue on with your false flag thing...i promise not to interfere anymore in this particular discussion.

[Tamerlane]

Another thing to note is that the Americans have a strategy of staying within a threshold beyond which Pakistan may panic and do something rash or turn openly against them. Ever since 911 there's a pattern of them getting more and more aggressive with Pakistan. Every time Pakistanis get used to a certain level of American aggression they increase the pressure by a notch. That's why they tested with drone attacks and as people got used to them the attacks have been increasing. Even in this forum new attacks are barely mentioned as everyone has become used to it.

The analogy is of boiling a frog. If you put it in hot water it jumps out but if you boil it slowly it gets cooked and dies. Pakistan is being boiled like a frog.

If they stay in Afghanistan for another 10-20 years there won't be much of Pakistan left. Time is against us as the economy goes into reverse, Zardari loots the country and the population explodes. All the time India is prospering and growing like crazy. No development is possible in Pakistan while the Americans are in Afghanistan.

The game changer for them is that they cannot sustain themselves in Afghanistan for 10-20 years as the Taliban grind them into mincemeat. That's why they have to speed things up with Pakistan as they cannot go without completing their mission regarding Pakistan, which is to de-nuke it.

Thats's why the danger level is rising for Pakistan because the more desperate the US becomes in Afghanistan the more likely they are to go for the big kill, namely a false-flag.

[Pak-Eye]

Here is a question: When 9/11 happened US had the world support, and it could have attacked any country it wished to, and yet it did not attack Pakistan. Why??? If Pakistan is the biggest threat as per you and one or two others here than why US not take that golden opportunity and attack Pakistan?

No disrecpect Caeser, but what threat a counry like Vietnam posed to America? Yet US attacked her with no world support

Your posts most of the times are very logical and at times putforth questions from new angles

Think, once America is done with Iran ... who will be the next target, logically speaking?

And would it be easy for America to attack Pakistan? Not at all; infact it would be night mare for them specially when we are nuclear and have China card as well ... but will that stop them?

It actually relates to religion; I know its not your cup of tea; but do realize this war is hundreds of years old; to put it in most concise way;

1.Its between monothiesm vs anything non-monothiesm AND
2. It has to do with the obsession of Zionists to rule the world once again, even if that means destruction of half of the world

These two points are the core of the world events today

[safdar]

Confused is acceptable - game over absoluely not. With 100+ nuclear tipped missiles the Pakistani target will be Indian, Western and Israeli Power projection areas - Air bases, diego garcia naval bases, core/army HQs etc. The net result will be western, Israeli and Indian ability to effectively project power in Pakistan will be reduced. The Western Expeditionary Forces will be reduced to more than hostages. The Western/israeli bitches know this and will not risk this resoponse.

Pakistan did not make nukes for as ornaments. They will be used and in a manner that will surprise the enemies.

It will be more like Western sanctions with hindu dogs coming acroos the border. We can handle that and the outcome will not be to Indian liking.  In this scenario Pakistan will cut off supply routes for the western Bitches. I doubt the situation will go beyond threats as long as Western Forces are in Afghanistan.

That is more like a Hindu wet  dream.

Pakistan's response will be to call in the threat.

When you say that, are you saying that Pakistan should neutralise any American threat within the vicinity and reach of Pakistani nuclear delivery systems! That means that we need targets in the middle east and in Afghanistan as well as Europe and the Indian ocean (well, we might as well nuke the sea bed while were at it), and you think that America will not have any contingency/containment plan in order just in case such scenarios emerge. Lets take a little lesson from history: USA never ventured into Iraq in the first war due to Iraq possessing scud missiles and potentially armed with biological warheads, however USA did attack Iraq the second time round but this time they had the patriot missile system to defend against the Iraqi scuds. Now, how do we know for sure that most of our delivery systems will not be intercepted? our fighters have very little chance to deliver and our missiles have a 50/50 chance of hitting the target (due to smaller yields and longer range) as well as a 50/50 chance of not being intercepted by some missile defence system USA will no doubt have installed prior to an open Attack on Pakistan.

Now before you start saying that I'm being negative or overzealous about USA ability and technology, let me explain, that I would say leaving USA out of a direct nuclear confrontation is in our best interest because one we don't have the capability to attack USA on its home soil and we in return invite total annihilation from every angle available, even the Russians for brownie points will lob what ever nuclear waste they have left from Chernobyl on Pakistan. No doubt half of India will also die due to the easterly wind jet stream and the fallout aftermath, but thats besides the point, the point is to turn this hindu wet dreaming into bed wetting and that could only be achieved if we take out india ourselves.

don't you think attacking India with nukes is a far more better option for Pakistan then attacking USA. Lets face it, its not like we invite a full nuclear strike from USA and NATO if we nuke India because they don't care much about India just like they don't care about Pakistan. Infact even attacking Israel is as good an option then attacking USA because on these two targets (India and Israel) we can inflict far more damage then what we could inflict on USA with every thing we've got. Surely that should send out a stark warning to USA of any over confident ambitions of USA de-nuking Pakistan.  

I hope about Pakistan calling the threat you're NOT talking in the light of current politicians state Pakistan is in, where politicians are toothless to even express dismay at retarded comments, and starting world war 3 is totally out of their capabilities. however what you say is only possible if there was a military coup, the president killed and the military taking the matter of national defence wholly upon itself, and all of that within days of any impending threat.