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[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

A focus on what women go through in their daily lives, in Pakistan:

http://www.dunyanews.tv/play_program_video...36&pid=2875


Peace

[Simpleton]

Link

Wronged victim in blasphemy case tries to lead a normal life
Published in The Express Tribune, July 28th, 2010.
By Rabia Mahmood
17 hours ago

LAHORE: Zaibunnisa, the victim of a false blasphemy allegation, has spent 14 years locked up in a mental facility.

Zaibunnisa has recently been reunited with her family, although her lawyer Aftab Ahmad Bajwa had previously said that her family had not pursued her case, and had forgotten about her. Her lawyer had also said that Zaibunnisa suffered from schizophrenia.

Speaking to Express 24/7, Zaibunnisa appeared alert and said she recognised her younger sister.
A resident of Maari Danish Mandan village in Suhala area, Zaibunnisa was charged with desecrating the Holy Quran by a local cleric, Qari Mohammad Hafeez, 14 years ago. Then a divorcee, Zaibunnisa, was financially dependent on her nephews. Her only sister, Azizunnisa, says the nephews had lied to the police and the family about Zaibunnisa’s case.

“All these years, I thought my sister was dead,” said Azizunnisa. “They [the nephews] told me she was dead and then I found out that they told the police she didn’t have any relatives.”

It was a report on Express News that caught the family’s eye. They contacted a lawyer, and are in the process of rehabilitating her.

Zaibunnisa spent nine years behind bars without a trial – and another five years at the Punjab Institute of Mental Health. This transfer took place when a sessions judge in Rawalpindi was informed that Zaibunnisa had been diagnosed with chronic schizophrenia.

Psychiatrist Dr Tahir Pervaiz said that Zaibunnisa had not received treatment during her imprisonment. “She has not fully recovered. She needs institutionalised care, social skills and regular medicines,” he said.

A petition to the Lahore High Court brought the case to light again on July 22, when the court asked the complainant and investigation officers to provide evidence against Zaibunnisa. They could provide no evidence of the crime.

Zaibunnisa’s counsel, Bajwa, claims that the people who filed the false case against her will face very few consequences if they are ever tried. “Section 182 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC) clearly mentions that if anyone makes a false allegation against a person and the court acquits that person, then the complainant is guilty. The punishment for this is six months and a fine,” Bajwa said.

Published in The Express Tribune, July 28th, 2010.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Hasb-e-Haal on the issue of young girls working as maids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IxpX0XR8ck


Hasb-e-Haal on the issue one Dowry/Jahayz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAy61k1N01E

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Khanewal: husband tortures wife over expecting third girl
husband in Khanewal tortured his wife after knowing through ultrasound that she will give birth to a third daughter. On neighbors’ tip-off, the woman was freed.
26-year-old Samina of Ahmed Pur Sayyal got married to Muhamamd Ali of Khacha Khoh some five years ago and she gave birth to two daughters. After this, Ahmed started to torture her. Now, he knew about the third daughter through ultrasound. He tied his wife with a bed. Neighbors informed woman’s uncle. They reached Samina’s home with her mother and freed her. Samina gave birth to a baby girl in the car. Police have registered a case against her husband.


http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MTAjTmlkPTE5MTA2



Vehari: Husband strangles to death wife

Vehari: Husband strangles to death wife A husband in Vehari strangled to death her wife over a domestic dispute.
Muhammad Yousaf drugged her wife and strangled her to death. He spread the news that his wife got killed due to heart attack. Parents of Sahista casted doubt and informed the police. Police arrested Yousaf and sent dead body for post mortem. Police told that Yousaf has confessed his crime.

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MTAjTmlkPTE5MTA3


Man kills wife, daughter over ‘honour’
A callous man killed his wife over ‘honour’ and confessed to murdering his 17-year-old daughter as well 6 months ago at Lahore, Dunya News reported on Tuesday.
Rehmat, resident of Ghaziabad, killed his wife Allah Rakhi and was going to bury her in his house when police arrested him.
The accused confessed to killing his daughter Surraya (17) as well and buried her inside his house. The police excavated Surraya’s body from the house. Police are investigating the accused.

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MTAjTmlkPTE5MTAw

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

- A man who treats a woman like a princess is a proof that, he is born and brought up in the arms of a Queen.


Abu Hurairah (May Allah Bless his soul), reported: Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "Take my advice with regard to women: Act kindly towards women. For they were created from a rob, and the most crooked part of a rib is its uppermost. If you attempt to straighten it; you will break it, and if you leave it alone, it will remain crooked, so act kindly towards women".



Once Hazrat Musaa (May Allah bless him) asked Allah: O Allah what do you do when you are happy? Allah said, "When I am Happy. I make it iran." Hazrat Musaa asked again, when you are much happier? Allah said: "I send guests". Hazrat Musaa then asked what you do when you're happy the most? Allah Replied: "i Create daughters!!".


Happy Muslim Husband and Wife can be found on Facebook....

Peace

[from5to7]

- A man who treats a woman like a princess is a proof that, he is born and brought up in the arms of a Queen.

Thats a good quote.

[Skull-Buster]

One of my aims in life is to establish a womens rights NGO in Pakistan one day inshAllah. Nowadays all the so called womens rights activists are neo-liberals who are doing nothing but exploiting the misery of women in Pakistan to further their agendas. Its very sad that even when Islam has given so much rights to women, you hardly find any Islamic NGO for womens rights in Pakistan.

[abdulsidd]

Good article which touches a bit on women's status in Pakistan, although it generally deals with women's status in Islam:

http://www.jannah.org/sisters/shatter.html

[Archangelesk99]

Too many women's rights is only going to lead for problems in society.......a female is inferior to a male in many ways......all cultures have recognised this since time immemorial

[haroons222]

Link

Wronged victim in blasphemy case tries to lead a normal life
Published in The Express Tribune, July 28th, 2010.
By Rabia Mahmood
17 hours ago

LAHORE: Zaibunnisa, the victim of a false blasphemy allegation, has spent 14 years locked up in a mental facility.

Zaibunnisa has recently been reunited with her family, although her lawyer Aftab Ahmad Bajwa had previously said that her family had not pursued her case, and had forgotten about her. Her lawyer had also said that Zaibunnisa suffered from schizophrenia.

Speaking to Express 24/7, Zaibunnisa appeared alert and said she recognised her younger sister.
A resident of Maari Danish Mandan village in Suhala area, Zaibunnisa was charged with desecrating the Holy Quran by a local cleric, Qari Mohammad Hafeez, 14 years ago. Then a divorcee, Zaibunnisa, was financially dependent on her nephews. Her only sister, Azizunnisa, says the nephews had lied to the police and the family about Zaibunnisa’s case.

“All these years, I thought my sister was dead,” said Azizunnisa. “They [the nephews] told me she was dead and then I found out that they told the police she didn’t have any relatives.”

It was a report on Express News that caught the family’s eye. They contacted a lawyer, and are in the process of rehabilitating her.

Zaibunnisa spent nine years behind bars without a trial – and another five years at the Punjab Institute of Mental Health. This transfer took place when a sessions judge in Rawalpindi was informed that Zaibunnisa had been diagnosed with chronic schizophrenia.

Psychiatrist Dr Tahir Pervaiz said that Zaibunnisa had not received treatment during her imprisonment. “She has not fully recovered. She needs institutionalised care, social skills and regular medicines,” he said.

A petition to the Lahore High Court brought the case to light again on July 22, when the court asked the complainant and investigation officers to provide evidence against Zaibunnisa. They could provide no evidence of the crime.

Zaibunnisa’s counsel, Bajwa, claims that the people who filed the false case against her will face very few consequences if they are ever tried. “Section 182 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC) clearly mentions that if anyone makes a false allegation against a person and the court acquits that person, then the complainant is guilty. The punishment for this is six months and a fine,” Bajwa said.Published in The Express Tribune, July 28th, 2010.

And i think that is the concern alot of ppl have.If a personal levels false allegations, the punishment should be alot stricter...she wasted 14 yrs of her life and now shes mentally disturbed, and her tormentors get off with a slap on the wrist, that isnt fair!If the punishment of blasphemy is death, the punishment of false allegation should be life in prison or atleast 10 yrs AFTER paying damages to the affectee...something tought like that is the only way to stop morons from using it.

[BelligerentPacifist]

One of my aims in life is to establish a womens rights NGO in Pakistan one day inshAllah. ...

If I'm around at that time, I might join your cause.

[visioninthedark]

Too many women's rights is only going to lead for problems in society.......a female is inferior to a male in many ways......all cultures have recognised this since time immemorial

you got to be kidding me? you can't be serious ......

[Jahan]

Too many women's rights is only going to lead for problems in society.......a female is inferior to a male in many ways......all cultures have recognised this since time immemorial

Dude come on!

Too many women's rights??

All human beings have a set of fundamental rights - this is what we're talking about. We're not talking about implementing some neo-feminist agenda in Pakistan. Let's just meet the basic human rights.

[Archangelesk99]

Dude come on!

Too many women's rights??

All human beings have a set of fundamental rights - this is what we're talking about. We're not talking about implementing some neo-feminist agenda in Pakistan. Let's just meet the basic human rights.

You are even more stupid than I first assumed, and so is the second member above.  Do you think the culture in usa and uk of feminism which lead to 54% divorce rate just sprouted overnight??  Divorce rate in uk and usa was 4% in 1960.  Then certain things had been implemented there since the 1970s and early 1980s, the effects of which showed up in the late '90s.  All it takes is one mental woman who is a judge and can pass laws (because they are inherently inferior they will feel the need to assert themselves) to upset the balance of a society, just as all it takes is one mental guy with a pistol to cause havoc on a train.  Look at the situation in turkey and india.  Both countries are having social upheavals of family because of their proclivity to emulate the west.  And if you think Pakistan or any country is immune from this disease..............you are sadly mistaken!

[Pak-Eye]

- A man who treats a woman like a princess is a proof that, he is born and brought up in the arms of a Queen.


Abu Hurairah (May Allah Bless his soul), reported: Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "Take my advice with regard to women: Act kindly towards women. For they were created from a rob, and the most crooked part of a rib is its uppermost. If you attempt to straighten it; you will break it, and if you leave it alone, it will remain crooked, so act kindly towards women".



Once Hazrat Musaa (May Allah bless him) asked Allah: O Allah what do you do when you are happy? Allah said, "When I am Happy. I make it iran." Hazrat Musaa asked again, when you are much happier? Allah said: "I send guests". Hazrat Musaa then asked what you do when you're happy the most? Allah Replied: "i Create daughters!!".


Happy Muslim Husband and Wife can be found on Facebook....

Peace

Subhanallah!

[Jahan]

You are even more stupid than I first assumed, and so is the second member above.  Do you think the culture in usa and uk of feminism which lead to 54% divorce rate just sprouted overnight??  Divorce rate in uk and usa was 4% in 1960.  Then certain things had been implemented there since the 1970s and early 1980s, the effects of which showed up in the late '90s.  All it takes is one mental woman who is a judge and can pass laws (because they are inherently inferior they will feel the need to assert themselves) to upset the balance of a society, just as all it takes is one mental guy with a pistol to cause havoc on a train.  Look at the situation in turkey and india.  Both countries are having social upheavals of family because of their proclivity to emulate the west.  And if you think Pakistan or any country is immune from this disease..............you are sadly mistaken!

Who's talking about implementing these 'certain things' that you're afraid of?

We're talking about basic rights. As in, the right to education, the right to marry of their own free will, the right to feminine healthcare, protection from domestic abuse, protection from honour killings etc. Things which in many cases are severely lacking in Pakistan. No one's talking about implementing any extreme feminist agenda so cut out the aggressive bull$hit. No one's impressed.

As for female judges, Islam allows and promotes female scholarship so there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.

[Archangelesk99]

Who's talking about implementing these 'certain things' that you're afraid of?

We're talking about basic rights. As in, the right to education, the right to marry of their own free will, the right to feminine healthcare, protection from domestic abuse, protection from honour killings etc. Things which in many cases are severely lacking in Pakistan. No one's talking about implementing any extreme feminist agenda so cut out the aggressive ********. No one's impressed.

As for female judges, Islam allows and promotes female scholarship so there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.

Obviously living in the west has diluted however much 'Pakistani' you purport to be.  
1. education.......yes they should get equal education opportunity.  But if they don't.........who cares???  Even after 30000000 sterling-pounds invested in free tuition for them, women have contributed almost nothing to inventions or new research in uk.  That's because they think differently and some mental woman promulgated laws in the '70s there due to 'historic grievances' against them.  Now race is a different matter because the relations between man-woman is much different than race-race.
2. right to marry of their own free will.........Who cares?  Arranged marriages are part of asian cultures for both sexes and since man is the superior in charge of a family, women get slightly less say in matters of marriage.
3. healthcare......I see both men and women in developing countries having lack of medical access.  Is it men's fault that women need 50000 more things??  
4.  protection from abuse...........who cares??  Punish domestic abusers but at the same time......some females will get slapped and that's cause to start shouting that the sky is falling??
5.  honour punishment.........bad but I'd rather have a society too strict than not strict enough.....anyday!!!  Anyplace and anyday!!!  

PS. Don't curse in a public venue.  This is another sign of your 'dilution'

[Tropicana]

When some people grow up  after being abandoned by their mother, they may have a very low view of women, others who saw their father beat their mothers may think its ok and part of 'culture" to beat women...

However it is definitely strange if someone doesnt fall under the above categories and yet have a low view of women......

[visioninthedark]

When some people grow up  after being abandoned by their mother, they may have a very low view of women, others who saw their father beat their mothers may think its ok and part of 'culture" to beat women...

However it is definitely strange if someone doesnt fall under the above categories and yet have a low view of women......

Well said.

[Jahan]

If being Pakistani means relegating women to the status of second class citizens, I have no interest in being Pakistani. I was raised up in a conservative household that taught me to respect women because they were my grandmothers, mother and sisters. Disrespecting women means disrespecting these sacred relations.

1. right to marry of their own free will.........Who cares?  Arranged marriages are part of asian cultures for both sexes and since man is the superior in charge of a family, women get slightly less say in matters of marriage.

Right to marry of their own free choice is guaranteed in Islam. Culture does not supercede religion, as much as you may like.

Allah orders Muslims in the Quran: "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good." --- Al-Quran 4:19

No one is talking about banning arranged marriage, since this is clearly a prevalent cultural practise and not really very harmful. But in Pakistan, many women are forced to marry someone against their will, and this should not be allowed.

2. healthcare......I see both men and women in developing countries having lack of medical access.  Is it men's fault that women need 50000 more things??  

Many conservative families in Pakistan do not allow their women to go to hospital for healthcare related issues because of the chance that a non-related male will examine them. This is particularly true for many of our Pushtoon brothers. I know of several of these cases. This needs to be changed. It does't have anything to do with liberalism. Plenty of women die every year in Pakistan from easily treatable conditions.

3.  protection from abuse...........who cares??  Punish domestic abusers but at the same time......some females will get slapped and that's cause to start shouting that the sky is falling??

I think as a Society of civilised human beings we all have an imperative to care. Domestic abuse is sky-high in Pakistan. In Britain, the Pakistani community has one of the highest rates of domestic abuse amongst any minority community. This is not just a case of being 'slapped around' (and even if it were, it's still wrong). Many women in Pakistan are thrased black and blue by their no-good husbands, whilst still expecting to work and support the family.

Have a look at this: Acid Terrorism Against Women In Pakistan

It's not just domestic abuse. Violence against women in Pakistan is at incredible levels and since most women in Pakistan are financially dependent on male relatives who are often the cause of the abuse, they are trapped in cycles of violence.

4.  honour punishment.........bad but I'd rather have a society too strict than not strict enough.....anyday!!!  Anyplace and anyday!!!  

This is just a cop-out. Rather than have a too-strict society or a too-liberal society, we should try and stick to the middle ground. Why go to the extremes? Clearly honour killing is a problem in our country. We need to fix it and not hide behind silly labels.

Which country do you live in?

[visioninthedark]

Jahan bhai sahab .... excellent post. Fully support your comments here.

[Archangelesk99]

Right to marry of their own free choice is guaranteed in Islam. Culture does not supercede religion, as much as you may like.

Allah orders Muslims in the Quran: "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good." --- Al-Quran 4:19

There are also many surahs such as this one (4:30 if I recall correctly):

"Men are the possessors of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them first, and leave them alone in their sleeping places; then finally beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is great!"

Common in most cultures traditionally as well

No one is talking about banning arranged marriage, since this is clearly a prevalent cultural practise and not really very harmful. But in Pakistan, many women are forced to marry someone against their will, and this should not be allowed.

Agreed, forcible marriage using coercion is undesired

Many conservative families in Pakistan do not allow their women to go to hospital for healthcare related issues because of the chance that a non-related male will examine them. This is particularly true for many of our Pushtoon brothers. I know of several of these cases. This needs to be changed. It does't have anything to do with liberalism. Plenty of women die every year in Pakistan from easily treatable conditions.

Again agreed.  Now we're moving from lack of healthcare products and hygiene to something more drastic.  You've changed your argument my good chap tsk tskkk!  

I think as a Society of civilised human beings we all have an imperative to care. Domestic abuse is sky-high in Pakistan. In Britain, the Pakistani community has one of the highest rates of domestic abuse amongst any minority community. This is not just a case of being 'slapped around' (and even if it were, it's still wrong). Many women in Pakistan are thrased black and blue by their no-good husbands, whilst still expecting to work and support the family.

Lock those domestic abusers up.  I'm not going to lock a man up for hitting a woman in an outburst though.  If a daughter has done something stupid like 'dating' then she's going to get the teeth knocked out of her in any normal asian family, most likely by her mother  

Have a look at this: Acid Terrorism Against Women In Pakistan

if the denizens of those countries want to change this, it's their affair.  But no external influence (uk/usa/europe etc.) must come into play

This is just a cop-out. Rather than have a too-strict society or a too-liberal society, we should try and stick to the middle ground. Why go to the extremes? Clearly honour killing is a problem in our country. We need to fix it and not hide behind silly labels.

Again agreed but as said previously by me.....if the choice is too strict (too much honour) versus too liberal (too less honour) I will gladly take the former

Which country do you live in?

I attend medical school in usa

[Jahan]

So barring one thing, we are in agreement.

Then why say this: "You are even more stupid than I first assumed, and so is the second member above." (post #14). Why start the name-calling?

There are also many surahs such as this one (4:30 if I recall correctly):

"Men are the possessors of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them first, and leave them alone in their sleeping places; then finally beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is great!"

But you see there is a difference in Islam between what is allowed and what is recommended.

The permissibility of 'beating' in this verse does NOT equate to domestic abuse as it is practised in many households through Pakistan.

Have a listen to Khalid Yasin, who is a Salafi scholar. See what he says:

Khalid Yasin - Wife Beating in Islam

Again agreed.  Now we're moving from lack of healthcare products and hygiene to something more drastic.  You've changed your argument my good chap tsk tskkk!  

Firstly, how are you agreeing with me on this? You dismissed what I said by saying: "Is it men's fault that women need 50000 more things??" Which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that many women in Pakistan are denied this right.

Secondly, you are misquoting me. I did not use the word 'products' or 'hygeine' anywhere.

I stated that women in Pakistan are deprived of 'the right to feminine healthcare' - I don't about the US but here in the UK, after Emergency Medicine wards, Obs & Gynae departments are some of the most comprehensive and busiest departments in hospitals. Female healthcare is a distinct branch of Medicine, and denying a woman access to it is nothing less than criminal. This is incidentally also one of the first few things the Taliban did when they took power in 1996, banned all women (including Obstetricians and Gynaecologists) from working and preventing any women from being treated by a male doctor.

Those few female doctors who were allowed to work then had problems travelling to work alone.

Essentially, 50% of the population had no recourse to basic healthcare.

I attend medical school in usa

Do you plan to return to Pakistan afterwards?

[Jahan]

Jahan bhai sahab .... excellent post. Fully support your comments here.

Thank you

[noxiouspython]

Aoa


Wow strange how this thread turned out.

Anyways, sad indeed how people can act so brutally.

btw - someone I know was murdered by his wife - so you know it's not always one sided. And another person I know, his wife beats him up in public as well... However, that's not the norm.

w/salaam

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Karachi: father killed 2 teenage daughters

A man killed his two teenage daughters and injured his wife and another daughter in Karachi, Dunya News reported on Saturday. As per details, in Sachhal Goath, Zameer Bhutto opened fire in the house as a result his two teenage girls Maria Bhutto, 18 and Dur-e-Shawar, 14 died on the spot while another daughter Farzana Bhutto and wife Habiba Bhutto sustained critical bullet injuries. The police have arrested the accused

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MTAjTmlkPTE5MjAw



Karachi: Dead body of a girl and an unconscious boy found form hotel room
A dead body of a 20-year old girl belonging to Islamabad was found from a hotel room in Karachi; where as 22-year old boy belonging from Sheikhupura was also found unconscious in the hotel room.
According to the police, the dead body found from hotel located at MT Khan Road is of a 20-year old girl Beenish who belongs to Model Town, Islamabad. The report for her being lost was also lodged by her family in the Siahala police station, Islamabad. The unconscious boy found from the hotel room has been identified as 22-year old Kareem Ullah from Sheikhupura who was a student at Model College Rawalpindi. The hotel administration confirmed that Beenish and Kareem Ullah came to the hotel yesterday evening. Six empty packs of sleeping pills were also recovered from the scene.
http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MTAjTmlkPTE5MTY5


Lahore: Husband’s brutal torture upon wife

In the area of Shadbagh, Lahore, a husband along with his brothers brutally injured his wife due to which both her arms and legs were broken.
A resident of Shadbagh, Lahore, Shazia was brutally tortured by her husband and his brothers due to which her both legs and arms were broken. The family of Shazia then lodged a complaint against her husband in Shadbagh police station; however police refused to file a case against him. Shazia has now been shifted to a hospital and her condition is stated to be critical.
http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MTAjTmlkPTE5MTk0

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Faisalabad: rape accused held

Police have arrested the two accused who raped a disabled school teacher.
As per details, a disabled school teacher complained that 3 persons have raped. The police registered a case against 2 identified and 1 unidentified persons and claimed that two nominated accused of school teacher were held while third would be arrested soon

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9OCNOaWQ9MTkxODc=


- No mercy should be shown to the criminals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Multan: Property disputes claims minor’s life
In an astounding incident, a man along with his daughters killed his two-month old granddaughter in Shah Rukn-e-Alam area of Multan, Dunya News reported on Tuesday.
As per reports, siblings of one Shakir, resident on J-Block, Shah Rukn-e-Alam Colony, Multan, had an argument with him over property dispute. The exchange of hot words led the father of Shakir to snatch his daughter. When the callous man returned the child to her parents she was in a dead state. The grieved parents filed a report in New Multan Police Station against the uncles, aunts and grand father of the deceased minor. The dead body has been shifted to Nishtar Hospital for autopsy. News Comments

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MTAjTmlkPTE5NDc4

[Memphis]

Do you think the culture in usa and uk of feminism which lead to 54% divorce rate just sprouted overnight??  Divorce rate in uk and usa was 4% in 1960.  Then certain things had been implemented there since the 1970s and early 1980s, the effects of which showed up in the late '90s.  All it takes is one mental woman who is a judge and can pass laws (because they are inherently inferior they will feel the need to assert themselves) to upset the balance of a society,

That's a bunch of rubbish and you know it.

:)

While it may be true that the "process" of acquiring a divorce is much easier now than it ever was before, it is NOT so merely through the growing "rights" that women are enjoying (it is still very much a male-dominated society btw). The "role" of a woman in the 1950's and 1960's was thought to be very different, and women were looked upon as second class citizens. A wife wanted to at all times please her husbands, even at her own expenses and even at the face of extreme hardship and/or abuse. Therefore, most women were scared to "come forward," or separate not only because they feared for their own safety but also because it carried a profound social stigma (hence "breaking up the family" was an unforgivable and selfish thing to do).

Do you know that over 30% of women around the globe have experienced some kind of abuse (being beaten, coerced into sex, or other) at least ONCE in their lifetime!? That's serious, and the figure may be much higher since many cases are never reported! You can't sit here and tell me all's handy dandy and that's an acceptable status quo.

Here's some fodder for thought: Ironically, you will find that New Jersey (a state in the US) which has championed and implemented quite a few state laws pertaining to women's rights and domestic abuse... still has one of the LOWEST divorce rates in the nation!

So dont be narrow-minded.

Take a chillpill dude.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Hasb-e-Haal on increasing divorce-ratings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pDaMadJwYE

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Man throws acid on wife and daughter in Karachi A man threw acid on his wife and daughter due to family disputes in Shah Faisal Colony Karachi on Monday night.


According to police, the man threw acid on his wife and daughter while they were asleep. Neighbors and relatives of the women arrived at the house and tortured the man. The women were shifted to the hospital where the girl succumbed to injuries and the woman was also not declared out of danger. Dunya News learnt that both the women had US nationality. Police has arrested the man and started its investigation after registering the case.


http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MiNOaWQ9MjAyOTI=

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Awaam ki adalat – Tv advertisments and Women – 12th february 2012

http://www.zemtv.com...-february-2012/

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Provocative or just pure sense?


"When asked about her Hijab by Journalists and how it is not proportionate with her level of intellect and education, she replied:

“Man in the early times was almost naked, and as his intellect evolved he started wearing clothes. What I am today and what I’m wearing represents the highest level of thought and civilization that man has achieved, and is not regressive. It’s the removal of clothes again that is regressive back to ancient times” - Noble Laurette from Yemen, Tawakul Karman


Source: Bollywood Boycot by Pakistanis


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[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

(Edhi Foundation Pakistan) A Good Step by Pakistani Working Womens Society:

STOP promoting Nudity

For Selling Your Fabrics

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[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Newsanchors in Arab countries wear hijaab, while no Pakistani anchor wear a hijaab;
http://www.facebook....53844416&type=1


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Jazba-e-Kashmir, on 14 April 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Newsanchors in Arab countries wear hijaab, while no Pakistani anchor wear a hijaab;

We know the reason. Asma Sherazi had to leave Geo because of her hijab. Now look at all the newsanchors, I wonder whats the criteria for hiring women in media because most of them talk nonsense and are so ill-mannered (holds true for men as well). Just because they look gorgeous, talk loud (and I so hate it when a man/ woman gets loud) and have the "skill" of manipulating statements of politicians, they are IN. So basically, you have expanded your job from enlightening people over issues to the extent ofupdating then about all the latest trends. Naseem Zehra and Asma Sherazi are perhaps the only experienced anchorpersons when it comes to private channels but then there are already lot of over-rated women so perhaps nobody bothers listening to them (and perhaps we like it when these anchorpersons get loud like illiterate women). Having said that, whats in the "head" that this hijab covers is lot more important.

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Fatima47:

yes, what is in the head is important. True and no doubt about that.
On the other side, going by your statement, there is nothing wrong a if a bald Pakistani woman is an anchor and journalist, since what's inside the bald head that is important rather than her hair that makes her attractive.


Nevertheless, nothiing is wrong if a hijaabi woman is an anchor or a journalist. That would just promote the morale among the girls and women who wear hijaab or burqas to become active roles in the society. It would make them more courageous, like a person they can relate to in the media and the harsh groundrealities in the Pakistani society.


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Jazba-e-Kashmir, on 14 April 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Fatima47:

yes, what is in the head is important. True and no doubt about that.
On the other side, going by your statement, there is nothing wrong a if a bald Pakistani woman is an anchor and journalist, since what's inside the bald head that is important rather than her hair that makes her attractive.

What I meant was that if all these channels do not change their policy and keep feeding us with the same bollywood and the bollywood-type stuff, is it even going to matter if the anchorperson comes with hijab or without it? I remember there was a time when hijab was introduced as a fashion but it never got famous with people.

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Nevertheless, nothiing is wrong if a hijaabi woman is an anchor or a journalist. That would just promote the morale among the girls and women who wear hijaab or burqas to become active roles in the society. It would make them more courageous, like a person they can relate to in the media and the harsh groundrealities in the Pakistani society.

Certainly, there is nothing wrong with it but one thing I am quite sure about is that even if they come with hijab, girls/ women wont be able to relate to them. Being a woman, I know how things work here and media has a huge responsibility here. Nobody follows the anchorpersons for any thing, perhaps if the morning show hosts start covering their heads, girls might follow them.

Edited: By the way hijab itself is not even an issue. The issue is immodesty that has engulfed the whole media and hence the people. We have grown immune to it and it does not make any difference. Its these advertising trends that depict women as a symbol of lust, who can be won by any man who gives them a chocolate, or gives her ride on a bike, or brushes his teeth with close-up etc (the list is really too long). The whole advertising pattern is a disgrace to women and we seriously need to discourage it (and few people including me have just begun with practical steps, lets hope the efforts dont go waste, ameen).

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I understand and a good thing that, you clearified about the media channels' policies.

I agree about the responsibility media has in Pakistan, but anchorpersons do have till some extent an influence on the public opinion though.

Anyways; apart from that aren't Pakistani showbizz people, meaning actresses, models actors, producers and directors an attraction for Pakistanis who look up to? Or want to copy their superficial lifestyle and so forth?

And since you are in Pakistan, unlike us/me overseas born or based Pakistanis, could you give more info on how things work since you are a woman.


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I think what Pakistani girls/ women look at are these fashion designers who are actually controlling the fashion conscience of people and they were brought to this limelight by the same media. More and more private channels made our society a totally consumer society where we get  nothing to eat but still learn to make Chinese, where it is even hard for poor people to cover themselves with rags and we hear about designer wears, designer bags and everything. I mean seriously, its these designers who “enlighten” people about the latest trends. Before the launching of private channels, I wonder if someone had even heard of any designers in Pakistan. But with the trend-setting morning shows and their wardrobes (of course designed by the same designers) ,  the state of materialism we got into was really appalling. So most of the women waste two hours a day at least to watch these shows and get updates about whats in and whats out. Those who don’t have enough time, just  have a glimpse to see what exactly the host is wearing. Till a few years ago, large textile mills like Gul Ahmed, Al-Karam were the pioneers of every fashion but since designers were not making a lot of money because of their exclusive bridal and party dresses that were designed for a particular filthy rich class, they also jumped into textile designing and every designer launched his/ her brand of lawn prints so now women love to boast as regards to which designer-wear they are wearing, whether its JJ, HSY, Deepak Parwani, Sana Safinaz or some other tom dick or harry, our public is mad with the obsession of designers. Anchorpersons don’t have a role to play here.  Nobody looks at them as fashion divas and then most of the girls/ women do not even watch talk shows.