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[1Pakistani]

Putting the pending criminal case to one side, what chances does anybody think Amir has in the Swiss Court of Sports Arbitration? Do you think his sentence can be reduced or suspended? Maybe they'll fine him heavily and put him in some kind of rehabilitation programme. Any thoughts on this for discussion. Does anybody know much about this court?

If what Sobank wrote above, about case against Aamir, are the real points on which he was convicted than in my personal view he should be found not guilty. It was for ICC to prove the case against Aamir and not for Aamir to prove his innocence.

The judges based their judgement on assumptions and presumptions. It was for ICC to prove that indeed Aamir was involved in it.

Let me quote Sobank summary:

the night before no ball, text was send. It is speculated that it was sent to aamir. aamir says that he didnt receive it. Even if he did, he cannt read english so he would not know what was written in it.

so a mer speculation that text was sent to Aamir, no evidence Aamir received it and Aamir denied receiving it. Hence, mere speculation is not sufficient to establish someones guilt. Need sold evidence.

In terms of his english knowledge again ICC had to prove he can read english

ICC do not believe that aamir cannot communicate in english

again no evidence he can communicate in written form, not oral form. No evidence by ICC..

again mere speculation.

aamir has witness who gives reasons for no balls but this explains the no balls but they do not explain why they are delivered at the exact moments as predicted.

ICC refuses to accept the "coincident". They think that communication timings were not a coincidence.

again flawed.

First of all the video itself is doubtful. There is no time or date stamp on it and there is no evidence that it was recorded prior to the events. (I HAVNT READ THE JUDGEMENT HENCE ASSUMING NO EVIDENCE, otherwise there would have been alot of movement in the media about the video)

So ICC had to prove that the video indeed was recorded prior to the events. Than they indeed had to prove aamir carried it out on conspiracy and it should not have been for Aamir to prove that it was coincident.

I find alot of problems with the above. Unless there is evidence not disclosed, I find the verdict against Aamir flawed, no wonder they wanted to give him less sentence, I guess their whole objective was to keep him out of the world cup and damage Pakistan's chance of winning.

[1Pakistani]

Absolutely Bull$hit.

Ive read the whole report and there is evidence to suggest that Aamir agreed to bowl those no balls, the phone records do not show any evidence of what was discussed and those were mere logs, those may as well be that Majeed was their manager and they could be talking about anything from sponsorship to perhaps personal matters.

Yes the timing is questionable but given there is not a single extract of the messages or recorded calls available than how can ICC claim to have established the case beyond reasonable doubt is beyond me.

I am also surprised how Aamir's lawyer was questioning the video tapes and than decided not to contest that but rather relied on ICC to prove their case.

Butt does say that he asked Aamir to bowl in certain way which led to the no ball, quite reasonable explanation and one that can create doubt.

ICC failed to disucss the nature of relationship between Majeed and the Players, he was their manager and the phone calls could explain nothing...

No wonder Aamir's lawyer was confident Aamir walking away free and also his decision to challenge the verdict.

In my view ICC have NOT PROVEN THEIR CASE BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

Mere inferences and presumptions and nothing else.

[Shazman]

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[PS:Annonymous]

If what Sobank wrote above, about case against Aamir, are the real points on which he was convicted than in my personal view he should be found not guilty. It was for ICC to prove the case against Aamir and not for Aamir to prove his innocence.

The judges based their judgement on assumptions and presumptions. It was for ICC to prove that indeed Aamir was involved in it.

Let me quote Sobank summary:



so a mer speculation that text was sent to Aamir, no evidence Aamir received it and Aamir denied receiving it. Hence, mere speculation is not sufficient to establish someones guilt. Need sold evidence.

In terms of his english knowledge again ICC had to prove he can read english

again no evidence he can communicate in written form, not oral form. No evidence by ICC..

again mere speculation.



again flawed.

First of all the video itself is doubtful. There is no time or date stamp on it and there is no evidence that it was recorded prior to the events. (I HAVNT READ THE JUDGEMENT HENCE ASSUMING NO EVIDENCE, otherwise there would have been alot of movement in the media about the video)

So ICC had to prove that the video indeed was recorded prior to the events. Than they indeed had to prove aamir carried it out on conspiracy and it should not have been for Aamir to prove that it was coincident.

I find alot of problems with the above. Unless there is evidence not disclosed, I find the verdict against Aamir flawed, no wonder they wanted to give him less sentence, I guess their whole objective was to keep him out of the world cup and damage Pakistan's chance of winning.

Apparently, this is what the world has come to. Speculation, i never knew that there is a law in the world that can convict someone on sheer speculation? i mean WTF, Haroon Logart is a man with a mission and it seems that he has accomplished it.

[haroons222]

Whatever the case, one thing is for sure. Amir needs to get a better lawyer and he needs better advisers.I mean after this incident, he hung around with Butt, his lawyer should have laid it on Butt, like Asif did. If he had just done that, and ask for clemency, he could have been should mercy.

[sobank]

it was show of hand so no bet on it.............. (as far as i can remember). video was given to authority on the day of the matc . Apparently before the balls were delivered.

[sobank]

Tribunal judgement highlights weak defence

Osman Samiuddin

February 10, 2011
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Players/Officials: Mohammad Amir | Mohammad Asif | Salman Butt
Teams: Pakistan

Late on Wednesday, the ICC finally put online the full judgment of its independent tribunal in the spot-fixing hearing along with the verdict on Pakistani cricketers Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir. The 102-page edited and encrypted report of the independent tribunal is not available to readers in England and Wales to prevent its details from prejudicing the trial of the three cricketers by the UK's Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), which pressed criminal charges against them.

Butt, Asif and Amir were banned on Saturday for ten, seven and five years respectively and so far only Amir has since stated his clear intention to appeal. The charges brought against the players by the ICC related to the fourth Test at Lord's against England last summer, for bowling pre-planned deliberate no-balls at the behest of player-agent Mazhar Majeed. The plan was brought to light through an undercover investigation by the News of the World.

The judgment is unusual from most other legalese-heavy documents as it charts an entertainingly written and fascinating course through the entire case. One of the central questions of the case, it acknowledges early on, was whether the no-balls were "fluke or fix?" On basis of probability alone and Majeed's video-taped conversation, confirmed by the judgement to have been recorded before the event and not after, it concludes that the no-balls were in fact, a fix.

Then, the interactions between Majeed and Mazher Mahmood, the tabloid's investigative reporter responsible for the story, are carefully and extensively detailed. At one stage it is revealed that Mahmood was tipped off about the whole thing by "a well-placed person in Pakistan cricket."

The relationship between Majeed and the players is also reconstructed, in vivid narrative; he was, officially, as acknowledged by the players, their 'agent'. But the judgement focuses, in painstaking detail, on the number of text messages and phone calls exchanged between and among the three; the evidence placed on record, in fact, seems to be extensive, based mostly on the NOTW videos and tapes, but significantly, also Met Police transcripts and phone records.

When discussing the actual event of the three no-balls reference is made to ESPNcricinfo's BBB commentary, as well as Sky TV's commentary, expressing surprise at the margin of Amir's no-balls in particular.

From the actual hearing, held in Doha from January 6-11, a clear picture emerges of the differences in the defence of the players and indeed the weakness of their cases, confirming some of the reportage of the time. At one point, when the report begins to detail the defence, it says, "The position of the players against whom charges have been brought as to how it was that MM [Majeed] was able to predict the three no balls and the timing of their execution changed over time….By the end of the hearing before us, however, Mr Butt's position was that MM must have had inside information but that it had not come from him. Mr Amir did not proffer any explanation other than fortuity. Mr Asif's position was that MM must have had inside information, but suggested that Mr Butt was its source.

"It therefore followed that the three players' defences before us were different. Mr Butt accepted there was a fix, but denied that he was a part of it. Mr Asif asserted that Mr Butt was a part of a conspiracy and that he himself was, as we shall explain, the unwitting instrument of Mr Butt. Mr Amir denied his involvement in any fix, the existence of which he did not formally accept." Later it confirms the report that Asif's defence of the no-ball was that Butt had told him to "run faster", which caused him to over-step.

Much information comes to light on a game in St Lucia as well, during the World T20 last May, for which Butt and Kamran Akmal were sent notices by the ACSU. ESPNcricinfo had reported the story at the time, but more details of the interaction between Butt and Majeed are available here.

The one positive - and it is truly a relative one - is that the money found in the rooms of Butt and Amir could not be proved beyond reasonable doubt to have been for the fix. "While Mr Majeed enriched himself to the tune of GBP 150,000, there is no appropriately proven evidence before us that the three received any direct monetary reward at all for their wrongdoing…..We are not satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the monies, found in their hotel rooms, were payoffs for the fix."

The judgement also details the range of witnesses presented by all sides, whose testimonies were either in person, written or over the telephone. Among the list of the ICC's 15 witnesses, were Pakistan coach Waqar Younis and captain Shahid Afridi, whose testimonies were taken over the phone, and intriguingly, Northamptonshire coach and former England fast bowler, David Capel, who gave a written statement. Among the players, there was no witness for Amir, while only coach Mohammed Haroon gave written testimony for Asif. On Butt's side however, were written testimonies by former Pakistan coach Geoff Lawson, former Pakistan bowler Abdul Qadir, Pakistan's strength and conditioning coach David Dwyer and Azhar Hussain Zaidi, a prominent Pakistani club cricket organiser and sports store owner.



"It therefore followed that the three players' defences before us were different. Mr Butt accepted there was a fix, but denied that he was a part of it. Mr Asif asserted that Mr Butt was a part of a conspiracy and that he himself was, as we shall explain, the unwitting instrument of Mr Butt. Mr Amir denied his involvement in any fix, the existence of which he did not formally accept."



As the judgment heads towards the verdict and sanctions, the spirit of one tribunal member, Albie Sachs, emerges clearly. Sachs was an eminent anti-apartheid activist in South Africa, and whose slant through the hearing has been a more forgiving one. It is noted early that the failure to acknowledge guilt stands against the players throughout, as ESPNcricinfo reported on Wednesday, but the reasons against life bans are also eloquently laid out.

It believed the Oval and Lord's charges were part of a one-off. The judgment says, "Fortunately for them an [un]promising career in spot-fixing was nipped in the bud by the News of the World investigation... it was a trial run. The purpose was not to influence any outcome or to serve as the basis for betting." That no money was proved to have been paid to them for the fix also goes against the life ban. Finally, the tribunal argues that spot-fixing is less serious than match-fixing, so it would have been harder to give out longer bans - even though the judgment insists the penalties given out are harsh. Five year sanctions, it says, are far from being "a mere slap on the wrist."

The themes of rehabilitation and redemption, so clear in the judgments on Butt and Asif and important to a man of Sachs' stature and background, are particularly lucid and reasoned. "Repentant sinners have in other areas, including the sporting, made the best teachers," it says, after recommending that the pair be involved in education programmes to warn young players of the ills of corruption.

The judgments concludes with a reference to the great Chicago Black Sox baseball fixing scandal, echoing the famous words of a distraught young fan to "Shoeless Joe" Jackson, one of the players involved: 'Say it ain't so, Joe.' The tribunal, the judgement says, "too wish in this case that it was not so."

[Miroslav]

Dhoni is the most assured and relaxed captain: Imran

Karachi, Feb 11 (PTI) India''s Mahendra Singh Dhoni is the most assured, relaxed and confident captain going into the forthcoming World Cup, according to former Pakistan captain Imran Khan.

The former great said India''s biggest strength is their captain who has the respect of his players.

"He is the most assured and relaxed captain in this tournament and he has the respect of his players. He is also a very astute tactician and a matchwinner on his day," Imran said on the ''Geo Super'' channel.

Imran, who led Pakistan to the title in 1992 World Cup, said India are the clear favorites to win the title on current form. That they are one of the co-hosts only adds to it.

"On the sub-continental wickets their batting will be a powerhouse. They have two quality bowlers in Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan Singh and have taken a very wise decision by including leg-spinner Piyush Chawla in their bowling line-up," he said.

Describing Virender Sehwag and Yousuf Pathan as two of the cleanest and most powerful hitters in the game today, Imran said the two had the potential to destroy any side.

"They have immense ability to hit the ball and once they get going it is difficult to stop them. And given the superior quality of the bats today they become a dangerous pair."

Imran, however, pointed out that Sehwag demonstrated very little foot movement and is vulnerable to the incoming ball.

"That is his only weakness because he plays the outgoing ball well as he is very good at the cut shot. But I think to contain him you need to bring the ball into his pads. Probably the best bowler against him would have been Mohammad Asif."

The former skipper felt India had so much talent at their disposal that they would find it hard to select the eleven.

"I think on the sub-continental wickets teams would be better served playing an extra bowler. In March the weather is hot and by experience I know that pitches at this time of the year are very flat in India and terrific for batting."

The cricketer-turned-politician also said that Zaheer and Harbhajan would play key roles for India.

"They are their best bowlers and I think Zaheer is in the best bowling form of his life. He has the ability to reverse swing and move the ball both ways. While Harbhajan will be crucial to India''s chances as he comes into bowl at a very crucial time and is capable of taking wickets and also containing," Imran said.

The former captain is also excited about the prospects of watching Chawla in action. "I have always believed it is essential to have a leg-spinner in one-day cricket because they are attacking bowlers. India have taken a wise decision to pick the leg-spinner and he will give them the edge over the non-Asian teams."

Imran also said that the dew factor would play a key role in the tournament. "Mark my words it is my prediction the dew factor will be crucial in deciding matches in this tournament. In day night matches teams batting second will always have a huge advantage."

http://in.news.yahoo...210400-388.html

[1Pakistani]

Apparently, this is what the world has come to. Speculation, i never knew that there is a law in the world that can convict someone on sheer speculation? i mean WTF, Haroon Logart is a man with a mission and it seems that he has accomplished it.

It was pathetic judgement in my honest opinion. They had not evidence to convict them and they relied on circumstantial evidence, the issue with which is that the chain of events can not break and in this case I can not even see a chain of event let alone being broken.


In relation to the statistician saying the chance of Aamir bowling those no ball was 1 to 1.5 million and for Asif to bowl that no ball was 1 to 100 ( chance it was a fluke and not a case of fix).

The judges state that since the odds are such for Aamir than it must be a fix and not fluke.

Well information for judges is that the odds of dying in a plane crash is 1 to 5.4 million (in first world air lines) SO DON'T PEOPLE DIE IN AIR CRASH? I guess that too must be fixed. Odds of two plane crashing head on in mid air is 1 in hundreds of millions but it TOO happened.

So how can the judges say that such odds are not possible and make an assumption that it was fix, thus meaning they did not really prove any agreement between the players and the fixer.


Than the worst part of the evidence was the text message which was send to the Journalist which read " Yaar after you finish your current over then 3 overs" text back...

according to the tribunal this was sent by mistake to the journalist when it was meant for Aamir, there is NO EVIDENCE to show that this was meant for Aamir. But ICC decided hey indeed it this message which was sent to Aamir without any evidence of it. So this WHOLE THING WAS ON PRESUMPTION.


There are so many flaws, I can point out so many doubts in the evidence that to suggest these players were found guilty beyond reason doubt is absurd and retarded.

I thought they had good evidence but after reading the report I am scratching my head to find where the agreement and how were the players guilty especially AAMIR..

[Shazman]

It was pathetic judgement in my honest opinion. They had not evidence to convict them and they relied on circumstantial evidence, the issue with which is that the chain of events can not break and in this case I can not even see a chain of event let alone being broken.


In relation to the statistician saying the chance of Aamir bowling those no ball was 1 to 1.5 million and for Asif to bowl that no ball was 1 to 100 ( chance it was a fluke and not a case of fix).

The judges state that since the odds are such for Aamir than it must be a fix and not fluke.

Well information for judges is that the odds of dying in a plane crash is 1 to 5.4 million (in first world air lines) SO DON'T PEOPLE DIE IN AIR CRASH? I guess that too must be fixed. Odds of two plane crashing head on in mid air is 1 in hundreds of millions but it TOO happened.

So how can the judges say that such odds are not possible and make an assumption that it was fix, thus meaning they did not really prove any agreement between the players and the fixer.


Than the worst part of the evidence was the text message which was send to the Journalist which read " Yaar after you finish your current over then 3 overs" text back...

according to the tribunal this was sent by mistake to the journalist when it was meant for Aamir, there is NO EVIDENCE to show that this was meant for Aamir. But ICC decided hey indeed it this message which was sent to Aamir without any evidence of it. So this WHOLE THING WAS ON PRESUMPTION.


There are so many flaws, I can point out so many doubts in the evidence that to suggest these players were found guilty beyond reason doubt is absurd and retarded.

I thought they had good evidence but after reading the report I am scratching my head to find where the agreement and how were the players guilty especially AAMIR..

As fustrated as we all are, wer'e just gonna have to wait for the outcome of the appeal to the court of sports arbitration. I'm sure his lawyer will argue these points. He said he will appeal. The biggest worry is the pending criminal case....

[Miroslav]

Ireland beat Zimbabwe in practice match.

Pakistan whooped Bangladesh. Misbah and Ahmed Shahzad scored centuries.

Miro

[Miroslav]

ICC investigates Salman Butt TV deal

The ICC is investigating whether Salman Butt has breached the terms of his 10-year ban for spot fixing by becoming a studio pundit for a Pakistan TV channel during the World Cup. Five years of Butt's term were suspended on the condition of him making no further breaches of the code and participating in an anti-corruption education programme under the PCB.

http://www.espncrici...ory/501107.html

[Miroslav]

Geez, Canadians were almost there against England.

http://www.espncrici...tch/473332.html

Miro

[Shazman]

This is a great blog and comments post I found in last week's The Independent. Nice to see some sympathy for Amir from english quarters.

Independent Blog

James Lawton: Banishment of brilliant young hope Amir is the greatest scandal of all

The ICC put three cricketers in the dock but you have to ask the whereabouts of the people who were in charge of Amir's well-being

Cricket's ruling body seems to believe it has achieved both closure and a measure of justice with the decision to hand out bans, all effectively for five years, to Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir. Closure? Justice? Who on earth is kidding whom?


Butt was the captain of a team said to be easily compromised and diverted by betting interests. Asif was of mature age but with a deeply problematic, controversy-strewn past which included a ban for illegal drug use. Amir was a boy. But now they are thrown into the same sack and tossed away.

No doubt if and when all three Pakistani cricketers appear in an English courtroom to answer criminal charges we will get a rather more forensic examination of their relative guilt or innocence, and, if the former is the case, a more appropriate level of punishment.

In the meantime, however, it is necessary to see that the real issue is so much wider, and crucial to the game's credibility, and because of this we can only shake our heads at the declaration of the International Cricket Council's chief executive Haroon Lorgat.

He says: "We've demonstrated that we will do everything that we need to do to ensure that the sport is free of corruption." This is a pretty thought for cricket to take into the upcoming World Cup but it scarcely bears a moment's examination.

The deepest horror of the whole episode is the one that has hardly been brushed by the bans which, realistically, have ended the international careers of the older players, Butt and Asif, and which banish the brilliant teenager Amir until he is 23 years old.

It is the alleged corrupting of Amir even as he took his first steps towards what even the most conservative judges of outstanding talent rated as potentially one of the greatest of careers.

The ICC put three cricketers in the dock but you have to ask the whereabouts of the people who were in charge of Amir's well-being, the Pakistani officials who left their team quarters open to the forays of a man charged with setting up irrefutable evidence that he could, for an agreed fee, engineer corrupt behaviour on the field?

No one was saying that if proven guilty Amir should escape any form of punishment, only that there should be an understanding of his quite grotesquely vulnerable position.

The lightly educated product of a poor Punjabi village, Amir brought little knowledge of the world and still less of the amounts of money he was told were available not to throw a match but merely add a couple of entries to the extras total. The case against Amir is that he bowled two pre-ordained no-balls among a stream of superb deliveries.

It if is true, as the ICC decided, of course he was wrong but, against the background of all we know about the culture of Pakistani cricket, the long-term laxity in the face of corruption, sufficiently so to be cast into the wilderness for five years?

Freddie Flintoff, whose heroic performances for England pushed him into an income group beyond the dreams of any of his Pakistani contemporaries, believes so. He argues fervently for zero tolerance. He may be right when he says that he carries with him an overwhelming majority of the cricket public. However, there are times when mere rectitude leaves us some way short of a just solution.

Making Amir a sacrifice might make a lot of people feel better. But then maybe they are a little too easily, and a little too cruelly, pleased.

[Rooh Afza]

ICC investigates Salman Butt TV deal

The ICC is investigating whether Salman Butt has breached the terms of his 10-year ban for spot fixing by becoming a studio pundit for a Pakistan TV channel during the World Cup. Five years of Butt's term were suspended on the condition of him making no further breaches of the code and participating in an anti-corruption education programme under the PCB.

http://www.espncrici...ory/501107.html

Salman butt should take the ICC to court for impeding his right to earn a living. The TV channel is not owned by the ICC and the ICC can't stop Butt from getting a job with another company. This is ridiculous. ICC is a mafia.

[Miroslav]

Salman butt should take the ICC to court for impeding his right to earn a living. The TV channel is not owned by the ICC and the ICC can't stop Butt from getting a job with another company. This is ridiculous. ICC is a mafia.

ICC has some rules.

They were on Dhoni as well for doing an ad for SONY who is a competitior of one of the WC-2011 sponsor.

Salman butt should take the ICC to court for impeding his right to earn a living.

He should rather try to focus on his ban lifting.

Miro

[visioninthedark]

Is anyone watching the Pakistan vs. England warm-up match going on right now ....

Pak bowling ... not too bad .... England 53/2 in 12 overs

Strauss and Trott gone ...

[1Pakistani]

ICC has some rules.

They were on Dhoni as well for doing an ad for SONY who is a competitior of one of the WC-2011 sponsor.



He should rather try to focus on his ban lifting.

Miro

Dhoni is not banned and is currently an active player under BCCI contract. Thus him appearing for another company was cause of concern, but Butt is not currently active nor does he have a board contract.

Butt is banned from all cricketing activity which are linked to official board of Pakistan and this case PCB and if he does any other cricketing activity which is unrelated to PCB than ICC can go and f.u.k themselves.

[sobank]

Honestly, butt better make deals left and right. Even after two years, his time as a batsman will be up. Newer players are doing much better. Would you honestly believe that he will be able to make place even after two years? Today the newer players are scoring frequently. Hell two years from now, Asif will find it difficult to find a spot, who the hell is this butt. I mean dont forget that as a batsman he is average player if not lesser.

Dude better make as many deals as he can.

[sobank]

Ok heard official anthem and I was like wtf...........................

Does Pakistan has any official cricket song for this world cup?

[sobank]

just heard.......... no the stadium is not ready................ another LCA in making. Man honestly, cannt you guys host one event properly!!!!

[1Pakistani]

just heard.......... no the stadium is not ready................ another LCA in making. Man honestly, cannt you guys host one event properly!!!!

BTW they still have outstanding payment to make to the contractors for Commonwealth Games.

Yeh I heard mumbai stadium has been declared unsafe by the fire department

[Miroslav]

just heard.......... no the stadium is not ready................ another LCA in making. Man honestly, cannt you guys host one event properly!!!!

If you are referring to Mumbai then the stadium is already cleared by ICC.

Some clearances with Fire Department are due which will be done in no time.

Kolkata one match is shifted to Bangalore, rest are going to happen there.

Miro

[Miroslav]

and the world cup has begun.

India is batting first in Mirpur against Bangaldesh and are 42/0 in 6 overs.

Team India - Sehwag,Tendulkar, G Gambhir, V Kohli, Yuvraj Singh, MS Dhoni*†, YK Pathan, Harbhajan Singh, Z Khan, S Sreesanth, MM Patel.

Team Bangladesh - Tamim Iqbal, Imrul Kayes, Junaid Siddique, Mushfiqur Rahim†, Shakib Al Hasan*, Raqibul Hasan, Naeem Islam, Mahmudullah, Abdur Razzak, Shafiul Islam, Rubel Hossain

Miro

[Miroslav]

wtf...........................

When Saqlain Mushtaq hid his wife in cupboard

Saqlain said that he had to hide his wife because the team management had instructed all players to send back their wives and children after the team qualified for the super sixes stage of the World Cup.

http://www.cricbeat....is-wife-in.html

Miro

[sobank]

When Saqlain Mushtaq hid his wife in cupboard

Saqlain said that he had to hide his wife because the team management had instructed all players to send back their wives and children after the team qualified for the super sixes stage of the World Cup.

http://www.cricbeat....is-wife-in.html

Miro

lol. and after 10 years of marriage, he probably locks her in the cupboard in home before going to hotel to make sure that she doesnt follow

[Miroslav]

lol. and after 10 years of marriage, he probably locks her in the cupboard in home before going to hotel to make sure that she doesnt follow

The guy seems to have become a decent and a religious person these days.

The last ODI he played was in 2003 where as test was in 2004.

Any idea why he is not playing anymore? He is only 34 which is not a retiring age for a spinner.

Miro

[Miroslav]

Tendulkar is run out India 86/1 (12.5 ov)

Miro

[MoThSmOkE]

Lets hope the subcontinent teams make an exit in the 1st round.

[Miroslav]

Lets hope the subcontinent teams make an exit in the 1st round.

I dont know about others but India isn't making 1st round exit this time.

Miro

P.S: - India 370/4 (50.0 ov)

[Pak-Eye]

^ So far Bangladesh is giving hard time to endianz

189/3 after 32.4 overs

Good luck

[Skull-Buster]

For a moment there it seemed like Bnagladesh had a real shot. It would have been great if they had beaten india.

[Aliph Ahmed]

I am supporting Canada !

[MoThSmOkE]

Shazman:

Where did I discredit them? Dude read my post again.

Lets hope India is next.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Pakistans wins by 21 runs over Bangladesh in the Asian Cricket Cup.

The target was 263

Pakistan had 262 runs, played 50 overs

Bangladesh reached to 241 runs, played 48.1 overs.

A very close call for the Bangladesh cricket team, well played by them.


Peace

[butterfly]

Very poor Pakistani performance against BD. BD should have won. Why can't Pakistanis bat.

We don't have a specialist one day or twenty20 team. Msbah shouldn't be in one day or twenty20. Afridi never does anything with the bat. Cheema is poor. Our fielding is the worst of any international team.

I think there should be more competition for places in the Pakistan side.

IF THEY DONT PERFORM THEN THEY SHOULD BE OUT.

[seacad]

Very poor Pakistani performance against BD. BD should have won. Why can't Pakistanis bat.

We don't have a specialist one day or twenty20 team. Msbah shouldn't be in one day or twenty20. Afridi never does anything with the bat. Cheema is poor. Our fielding is the worst of any international team.

I think there should be more competition for places in the Pakistan side.

IF THEY DONT PERFORM THEN THEY SHOULD BE OUT.

Yes I think Bangladesh deserved to win. Younis and Misbah have no shame like cricketers of other countries, they should have gracefully retired from one-days and 20/20's when they had the chance. But like little bachay they want to play everything. Azhar Ali (who scored a 50 in his last match and averages 46 in limited overs cricket) and Hammad Azam (who can bowl and is shamelessly never used by misbah) should be in the team in place of them. Razzaq should also be in the team instead of asad shafiq (who should just stick to tests).

Afridi is a very good bowler, he is NOT A BATSMAN, it is just a fortune when he happens to click with the bat so that is why he is in team. Cheema (who is 32 yrs old, pretty old for a quick bowler) is decent not poor, but I agree there are a TON of other YOUNG bowlers who should be in the team instead of him (like Asad Ali, sadaf hussein etc.)

lets see what happens with Sri Lanka and Ind!

[Simpleton]

Not a cricket afficionado, and definitely don't follow the sport, but from my very myopic viewpoint, every game has an objective, and that is winning, and in my humble opinion winning in this game depends on how many runs a team makes, so without discounting the importance of factors that limit the oppositions score (bowling and fileding), the emphasis or the winning aspect of any team is the batting. When Pakistanis speak of keeping so and so because of their bowling prowress, I feel they neglet a fundamental component of the psyche needed to win a match/series; in other words by focusing on bowling it's like "damage control", in other words a defensive mindset, not an aggressive "offensive" mindset. Perhaps Pakistan would be better off with inducting batsmen instead of bowlers and all-rounders.

[sobank]

When we said it first time to our friends, they joked about it. But now things are out in open.

Edited by sobank, 11 March 2012 - 06:06 PM.