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[haroons222]

Well i dont want to get into this Ghazw e hind debate, ill just assume that its pretty inevitable India will get some ideas one day, sadly for the region and we should be prepared for it. As far as this Aalim is concerned, and the scholars in Pk in general, i only have one complaint, they have for the most part failed to mobilize people.Now if ZH does have a tainted past, lets assume for a second, atleast as the leader of a movement, he has charisma, presentation, knowledge, motivation, drive...while this Aalim seems like he is in pain just talking.If ZH does use his material, why is he able to get a much much larger following and what are these ppl doing?If his tarika is not as affective in mobilizing ppl,then maybe he should let others do something they as a group or him as an individual has been unable to do.

[Oracle]

Now you start having shame when talking to your elders and stop acting like a teenage girl on her period.

I guess you are not a female. still it looks bad to share family experiences on a defence forum.

[sfhussain]

To get back on the Topic (I am no fan of Zahid Hamid). But looking and analyzing the current Geo-political Storm surrouding Pakistan - We should not ignore wali-ullah's revelations (not predictions).

The Kuffar Blood in the River (khyber or Indus) can be western, indian or munafiqs. But it seems highly probabable that certain quaters in the west want to play the "Indian card". The post US exit scenario from Afghanistan is what will acccelerate the events.

Also as of now Delhi is on a very high red terror alert. With half PA busy with on the western borders, the Indians have never missed a chance before (1971, siachen, etc) - I see no reason that they would miss it now.

The only part of wali-ullah's revelations which is not a foregone conclusion factually is the duration of the conflict and the final outcome.

Pakistan is in a State of War - The "Taleban" are they munafiqs/kuffar?? or the Kuffar are something additional.

"No lights for miles" - is this the loadshedding or the another worse scenario.

"Ghadar" refers to the present situation with thousands being killed every month or worse to come??

Whether you believe or not! We are in the middle of it!

Prepare, prepare and remember the day of judgement.

[faizan khaliq]

To get back on the Topic (I am no fan of Zahid Hamid). But looking and analyzing the current Geo-political Storm surrouding Pakistan - We should not ignore wali-ullah's revelations (not predictions).

The Kuffar Blood in the River (khyber or Indus) can be western, indian or munafiqs. But it seems highly probabable that certain quaters in the west want to play the "Indian card". The post US exit scenario from Afghanistan is what will acccelerate the events.

Also as of now Delhi is on a very high red terror alert. With half PA busy with on the western borders, the Indians have never missed a chance before (1971, siachen, etc) - I see no reason that they would miss it now.

The only part of wali-ullah's revelations which is not a foregone conclusion factually is the duration of the conflict and the final outcome.

Pakistan is in a State of War - The "Taleban" are they munafiqs/kuffar?? or the Kuffar are something additional.

"No lights for miles" - is this the loadshedding or the another worse scenario.

"Ghadar" refers to the present situation with thousands being killed every month or worse to come??

Whether you believe or not! We are in the middle of it!

Prepare, prepare and remember the day of judgement.

River Indus starts from almost China passes through NORTHERN AREAS which happens to be focus of attention of west and India.The center of gravity in next war might not be down south but these areas.If we orientate this revelation and The indian obsession with  mountain divisions(somewhere on banks of Indus  this show can happen) things might make sense

In next conflict ``no light for miles``might be mass causalities from some kind of nuclear exchange or load shedding
Taliban will be lost in the flood of events
however I agree with you that we might be in start phase  of ghazwatul hind

[sfhussain]

however I agree with you that we might be in start phase of ghazwatul hind

PA, PAF and PN are not oblivious - We just got the second AWAC and rest are rumored by June. US missile frigate is being transfered to PN. Chinese ambassodor has recently met top officials and the meetings continue.

India will probably go for cold start on Lahore and vicinity with the main thrust in Kashmir/Northern areas - An Indian obsession since Siachen adventure.

We are preparing, but generally our public is not fully aware or head in the sand syndrome.

[sfhussain]

Pak gets two P-3C Orion aircraft today
http://www.nation.com.pk/Pakistan-news-new...-aircraft-today
Published: April 30, 2010

WASHINGTON (APP) – The US will hand over two upgraded P-3C Orion Reconnaissance Aircraft to Pakistan on Friday (today) to help boost maritime security capability of the key member of the multinational task force. Pakistan will receive the surveillance maritime aircrafts in Jacksonville, Florida, at a ceremony, to be attended by Vice-Admiral Shahid Iqbal HI (M), Chief of Staff Pakistan Navy, Islamabad’s Ambassador to the United States Hussain Haqqani and senior US Naval officers.
Being a critical anti-terrorism partner of the international community, Pakistan is currently commanding the Combined Task Force 150 (CTF-150), having already fulfilled the responsibility three times. The area of responsibility of the CTF-150, which operates under the Coalition Maritime Campaign Plan, stretches from Strait of Hormuz to Red Sea, covering 2.4 million sq miles and bordering 14 nations along the Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea, Horn of Africa and Red Sea.
Pakistan is due to get in phases a total of seven P-3C orion aircrafts that are being upgraded by global security company Lockheed Martin.
According to a spokesman of the Pakistani embassy in Washington, the acquisition of the aircraft reflects growing cooperation between the US and Pakistani navies, that have been cooperating closely in stemming illegal activities at sea.
Recently, Pakistan’s Naval Chief Admiral Noman Bashir also visited Washington, and was decorated with the prestigious US Legion of the Merit award. As major non-NATO ally of the US, Pakistan will also acquire USS McInerney frigate later this summer under foreign military funding.
The warship, to be known as PNS Alamgir, will be sailed to Pakistan early the next year after its refurbishment in accordance with Pakistan Navy’s requirements.

[haroons222]

How does posting 140,000 soldiers on our western front affect our ability to fight on the eastern border?Is there a reserve force that we can call on and is it possible to give the Afghan taliban in our lands a free hand to deal with the TTP...would they comply?

We are distracted, the black ops in the form or terror threat in India can be an excuse for a cold start and not to sound pessimisstic but our airforce with future induction and JF-17 numbers not high enough isnt in a strong position while india has the air superiority for the time being until we built up our JF-17 numbers and get j-10s...so the next yr or so is the best time India gets...

[faizan khaliq]

-----------------PA, PAF and PN are not oblivious-----------
not really but for sure they are direction less.The US withdrawal is such a lollipop that Pakistani military leadership is giving concession over concession to USA in Pakistan where as leaving afghanistan is US decision and they are not doing any favor to us  why we are allowing these marines and other people on our soil
and CIA to recruit agents .This overconfidence might cast us dearly in future conflict.
war on two fronts is less dangerous than war on three fronts.The third dimension will be from inside and very dangerous nation is already divided and on the streets and self styled mujahideen groups are coming up like mushrooms.Unfortunately Pakistan Army is putting themselves in deeper quagmire by trying to avoid external war and take the lead, sorry for this confusing post but ground situation is more confusing and dangerous

[seacad]

Great, now what:

U.S., Britain issue Mumbai warnings

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/0...dex.html?hpt=T2


Canada warns of imminent terror threat in India

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/05/...id=rssnewsworld

[Felicius]

There will be more than just India and Pakistan, many nations will be involved in tomorrow's war.

[haroons222]

Whats with all these small time, unimportant countries issuing security warnings, NZ,CA??:S:S

[seacad]

TTP just claimed responsibility for the "attempted bombing" in Times Square New York. according to CNN.

Jesus Christ, can these ppl even come up with something credible?

[Oracle]

TTP just claimed responsibility for the "attempted bombing" in Times Square New York. according to CNN.

Jesus Christ, can these ppl even come up with something credible?

Jesus Christ ??

[haroons222]

Jesus Christ ??

Its ok, its SUN DAY:p

[Aliph Ahmed]

So it seems that the prediction of Nematullah wali is coming true.

After the chor (Zardari), a good ruler (Mushy is coming back!!!) will rule Pakistan. :)

[rungroot]

So it seems that the prediction of Nematullah wali is coming true.

After the chor (Zardari), a good ruler (Mushy is coming back!!!) will rule Pakistan. :)

Yaar what is so good about musharraf, do I have to remind you that is because of musharraf's nro that this laanti zardari is in power to begin with???

[haroons222]

Yaar what is so good about musharraf, do I have to remind you that is because of musharraf's nro that this laanti zardari is in power to begin with???

Even if those predictions are true,i doubt that good leader is Mush...and unless our political landscape changes drastically,i dont think it will be NS, and we'll have to wait even longer.

[Tamerlane]

According to prophecies we're going to have a fierce leader with a big beard and green eyes. He's going to rule with an iron grip.

Logic also tells us that the future leader of Pakistan will be a deeply Islamic strongman who will ruthlessly clean up the filth in the country and also stand up to the foreign enemies. This is the ruler who will also have the courage to send the Pakistan army to Palestine to confront the enemies of Islam.

We're talking about someone of the level of Salahuddin Ayubi.

It's not going to be Musharraf. But could be another general.

[Pathfinder]

According to prophecies we're going to have a fierce leader with a big beard and green eyes. He's going to rule with an iron grip.

Logic also tells us that the future leader of Pakistan will be a deeply Islamic strongman who will ruthlessly clean up the filth in the country and also stand up to the foreign enemies. This is the ruler who will also have the courage to send the Pakistan army to Palestine to confront the enemies of Islam.

We're talking about someone of the level of Salahuddin Ayubi.

It's not going to be Musharraf. But could be another general.

Saladin I would Say No We Need Baybers The Man who actually began to drive Crusaders out.

[sfhussain]

We're talking about someone of the level of Salahuddin Ayubi.

I agree, I hope to see him soon.

[Caesar]

According to prophecies we're going to have a fierce leader with a big beard and green eyes. He's going to rule with an iron grip.

Logic also tells us that the future leader of Pakistan will be a deeply Islamic strongman who will ruthlessly clean up the filth in the country and also stand up to the foreign enemies. This is the ruler who will also have the courage to send the Pakistan army to Palestine to confront the enemies of Islam.

We're talking about someone of the level of Salahuddin Ayubi.

It's not going to be Musharraf. But could be another general.

The prediction for this war came true a long time back--this was when Mongols were capturing and slaying Muslims everywhere but when they tried coming to the Sub-Continent, afghanistan areas they were defeated by the armies from this region. The Muslims of Sub Continent were the only ones who were able to defeat Mongols during the height of power of Mongols. Remember MOngols had comquered and destroyed all of middle East and had even captured Palestine. When the Muslim armies of the indian Sub Continent clashed with mongols head on and defeated Mongols this had a ripple affect and in coming times the Muslims armies in the middle east were able to hault the Mongols and defeated them.

So the prediction has come and gone.

I don't see anything new happening--I actually see dynamics of war changing. The real wars will be fought on the screens of the computers. In future things will drastically change with new energy sources powering humanity. They will come a time when humanity will unite and there will be no more wars on earth because the goal of all humans will become space exploration.

[sfhussain]

So the prediction has come and gone.

The initial phase of predictions can fit your mongol scenario with a contradiction of muslims being helped from the north and north west and fighting rages all the way across to tibet.

The other part of Imam and etc still remains open.

[Tamerlane]

THE MANIFEST DESTINY THAT AWAITS YOU

The narration of the man living at Kahuta, who saw RasulAllah sallallaho alaihi wasallam in his dreams for 3 consecutive days, standing beside the lake. Where on one side are the Kahuta Laboratories and on the other side is the small settlement, wherein the country's top nuclear scientists are resident, my neighbour. Muhammad Aazam (the one who saw the dreams) said:

"As I reached the bank of the river after chasing the Westerners who had stolen uranium from Kahuta, RasulAllah sallallaho alaihi wasallam was standing there. On his left was Ali ibn Abi Talib r.a. and on his right was Umar ibn al Khattab r.a. RasulAllah s.a.w. said "We will look after the supervision of Ghazwa e Hind (Conquest of India) ourselves and Khalid bin Waleed r.a. will be the Commander:"

Muhammad Aazam continued: "I asked "Yaa RasulAllah s.a.w., why not Umar ibn al Khattab (as Commander?)" He replied "He will be my advisor" I asked "RasulAllah s.a.w., why not Ali ibn Abi Talib (as your advisor)?" He replied "He will be Khalid bin Waleed's guide"

Khalid bin Waleed r.a. will be the Commander of Ghazwa e Hind, Ali ibn Abi Talib r.a. will be his guide and Umar ibn al Khattab r.a. will be RasulAllah s.a.w.'s advisor.

Zardari who? Nawaz Sharif who? Altaf Hussain who? Asfandyar who and Fazlur Rehman who?... The ground is being laid for someone else. For those, who shall rise above themselves (above their interests). Muhammad Aazam had a trunk filled with 8000 pages on Ghazwa e Hind. He commanded me to compile them all and then left. It was the morning of 2 July, 1999. He said coolly: "Martial law will be imposed one day"

Imran Khan was seated next to me when the old man innocently told Fozi, the First Secretary of the Afghan Embassy: "Taliban will not remain, Hazrat Umar r.a. handed over the flag to someone else."
He anxiously spoke up: "Haroon sahib, can I go to Kashmir?"

[Oracle]

THE MANIFEST DESTINY THAT AWAITS YOU

The narration of the man living at Kahuta, who saw RasulAllah sallallaho alaihi wasallam in his dreams for 3 consecutive days, standing beside the lake. Where on one side are the Kahuta Laboratories and on the other side is the small settlement, wherein the country's top nuclear scientists are resident, my neighbour. Muhammad Aazam (the one who saw the dreams) said:

He claims some guy saw Holy Prophet (SAWW) in person in start and end. dream is mentioned nowhere except in middle. nice way to attract "believers"

uchi moj malangaan di..

you don't need a waliullah to predict for a martial law in Pakistan. it has become a natural part of our historical spiral (not circle)

[HKK]

I think the perparation of this Ghazwa was done in the 11 years of Zia Shaheed rule. Since then those perparation have slowed down but I think whatever he did is more then enough. The man had some sort of aura about him. He was not only regular on his Salah but also used to offer tahajjud and if I am not mistaken, by offering tahajjud, one can open doors to the world of spiritualism. There was some sort of spiritualism about him and the way he ruled.

[Tamerlane]

He claims some guy saw Holy Prophet (SAWW) in person in start and end. dream is mentioned nowhere except in middle. nice way to attract "believers"

uchi moj malangaan di..

you don't need a waliullah to predict for a martial law in Pakistan. it has become a natural part of our historical spiral (not circle)

Nowhere is the writer claiming that anyone met the Prophet (PBUH) personally. Anyone who thinks so is delusional. It is clearly stated that it was a dream.

The concept of dreams as being potentially true is very well established in Islam, both in the Quran and hadith. The whole story in the Quran about Hazrat Yusuf (AS) is based on his dream and how it came true and how he used to interpret the dreams of other people, including the Pharaoh.

Abu Huraira (ra) narrates: The Prophet (pbuh) said: "Whoever has seen me in a dream, has in fact seen me, for Satan does not appear in my form" (Sahih Muslim, vol. 4 p 1225 no 5635)

If a credible person like Haroon Rashid says that he met a credible person (Muhammad Azam his neighbour) who related his dreams to him then I would tend to believe that what he's saying is true.

[Ababeel]

What Kashmiri's are saying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAZNFBamFLI

What Indians are publicly saying, this program was aired on Indian channel AajTak Tv in Feb 2010, I was going to post it on PDF back then so that it can become an eye opener for some people on PDF, but they (TV Channel) blocked resident of certain countries from viewing it so I was not able to post it back then. Now after reading this thread recently I went back to these videos on youtube and noticed they were unlocked. Some interesting things are being mentioned here by the Bhindians openly about NWFP and Balochistan, If some one can download these videos before bhindians block these videos again as a record keeping that would be great. I recommed everyone to watch what bhindians are saying on their TV channels.

China has devised a dangerous plan to become the superpower

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5

[Oracle]

Nowhere is the writer claiming that anyone met the Prophet (PBUH) personally. Anyone who thinks so is delusional. It is clearly stated that it was a dream.

The concept of dreams as being potentially true is very well established in Islam, both in the Quran and hadith. The whole story in the Quran about Hazrat Yusuf (AS) is based on his dream and how it came true and how he used to interpret the dreams of other people, including the Pharaoh.

Abu Huraira (ra) narrates: The Prophet (pbuh) said: "Whoever has seen me in a dream, has in fact seen me, for Satan does not appear in my form" (Sahih Muslim, vol. 4 p 1225 no 5635)

If a credible person like Haroon Rashid says that he met a credible person (Muhammad Azam his neighbour) who related his dreams to him then I would tend to believe that what he's saying is true.

What is the meaning of "pooray Qadd kay saath"? if you have bothered to read my post, I have mentioned that he talks about dream only in middle.

Belief in dreams comes bundled with sufiism, you should believe in them especially when it supports your BT thing :-)
Ulma have divided openion. those who oppose it say that if a Sahabi of Rasul(SAWW) claims to see him in dream it's fine, but another person who has never seen him, can't and shouldn't claim about it.

I'v read that all places or faces you see in dreams are out of only familiar ones, that you have come across at some time in the past.
all the characters including villans, some of them you can't even recognize may be someone like your school bus driver, or some street shopkeeper from your dacades old memory.
I can say, most of locations I see in dreams are actual or distorted version of some familiar place in my life.

still we don't know much about dreams. isn't is amazing that your own brain creates complex situations and yet you don't know what to expect next?
And sometime you are amazed, happy, afraid, worried or frusterated at what is probably just an excercise of hidden parts of your own brain.

[Tamerlane]

Kia Mullah Toofani nay khawab kay bhi khilaf fatwa dey dia hey?

[Oracle]

Kia Mullah Toofani nay khawab kay bhi khilaf fatwa dey dia hey?

mullah toofani farmatay hain, jaisa kissi ka peer ho, usi tarah kay jhootay ya sachay khwab aatay hain.

[faizan khaliq]

What is the meaning of "pooray Qadd kay saath"? if you have bothered to read my post, I have mentioned that he talks about dream only in middle.

Belief in dreams comes bundled with sufiism, you should believe in them especially when it supports your BT thing :-)
Ulma have divided openion. those who oppose it say that if a Sahabi of Rasul(SAWW) claims to see him in dream it's fine, but another person who has never seen him, can't and shouldn't claim about it.

I'v read that all places or faces you see in dreams are out of only familiar ones, that you have come across at some time in the past.
all the characters including villans, some of them you can't even recognize may be someone like your school bus driver, or some street shopkeeper from your dacades old memory.
I can say, most of locations I see in dreams are actual or distorted version of some familiar place in my life.

still we don't know much about dreams. isn't is amazing that your own brain creates complex situations and yet you don't know what to expect next?
And sometime you are amazed, happy, afraid, worried or frusterated at what is probably just an excercise of hidden parts of your own brain.

1.I don,t think that anybody who sees Prophet PBH in his dream has ever been able to describe his PBH features at least whoever claimed just could not
2.Every human brain might have a chip like computer has which connects him to spiritual world  but it might be confusing true dreams are first step.
3.Dream is warning of subconscious brain or reflection of it and so far we have not been able to discover the full potential of the brain
4.Prophet used to encourage people to seek the interpretation of dreams but later on discontinued this practice.
5.In nutshell this dream is not a negative one but it encourages jehad for protection of Pakistan so on the merit nothing wrong
6.most of the time dreams are symbolic so  one has to be very careful with interpretation.

[HKK]

What is the meaning of "pooray Qadd kay saath"? if you have bothered to read my post, I have mentioned that he talks about dream only in middle.

Belief in dreams comes bundled with sufiism, you should believe in them especially when it supports your BT thing :-)
Ulma have divided openion. those who oppose it say that if a Sahabi of Rasul(SAWW) claims to see him in dream it's fine, but another person who has never seen him, can't and shouldn't claim about it.

I'v read that all places or faces you see in dreams are out of only familiar ones, that you have come across at some time in the past.
all the characters including villans, some of them you can't even recognize may be someone like your school bus driver, or some street shopkeeper from your dacades old memory.
I can say, most of locations I see in dreams are actual or distorted version of some familiar place in my life.

still we don't know much about dreams. isn't is amazing that your own brain creates complex situations and yet you don't know what to expect next?
And sometime you are amazed, happy, afraid, worried or frusterated at what is probably just an excercise of hidden parts of your own brain.

I am of the opinion that dreams , not all of them, can be true. Try to tell the ullema who says that only Sahaba can see Rasool Allah (SAW), what they say about Nooruddin Zangi, he wasnt a Sahaba. He saw Rasool Allah (SAW) for three consecitive nights which lead to the discovery of Christian plot to Naozubillah , dig his grave.

Dont discount these matters as some random mullah says so. There are people who are Walis and some are just born "Majzoobs".

Bhai meray, when you see Rasool Allah (SAW), you know it. Your heart and mind says so. Its not just random thing, there normally is reason behind it. Telling you from experience and I aint a mullah , far from it.

[Caesar]

Things like these are very dangerous for a lot of people in Pakistan who are illiterate, and go to shrines and believe in supernatural stuff. Look at the tactics here -- the guy is clever and deceptive as he claimed that he was DREAMING so that ordinary people can't critise him and he can still get away with his real ulterior motive.

[faizan khaliq]

oriya maqbool jan makes my day a good read indirectly linked to Ghazwa-i-Hind

http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwind...p;Date=20100626

[Oracle]

oriya maqbool jan makes my day a good read indirectly linked to Ghazwa-i-Hind

http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwind...p;Date=20100626

how is it "indirectly linked" to Ghazwa e hind?

[faizan khaliq]

how is it "indirectly linked" to Ghazwa e hind?

liberation of khurasaan or what ever is happening there is part of this war rather Khurasan will be a turning point , the second phase will be in Pakistan getting rid of these ''Anglo indians'' third phase may be unification of  Afghanistan and Pakistan and third may be taking on Indians or may be Indians with the support of rest of the world attack us.This is no prediction but event might be heading in this direction I doubt that Yanks will leave that easily

[sfhussain]

Threads are very illuminating - tamerlane thx for the insight.

[S.R.A.H]

Jesus Christ ??

sorry for bringing this old post. It just put a smile on my face.
I some times say 'HOLY Sh*t' too, don't know what it suppose to mean    I guess less hollywood movies and more Urdu dramas will do the trick.

[Ababeel]

THE MANIFEST DESTINY THAT AWAITS YOU

Someone made a video of this article

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3e9xkyJLK8

[Tamerlane]