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[rungroot]

Brother Aliph
Akram Awan sahib is not molvee he is renowned scholar from Naqshbandia Silsala (according to my knowledge).

Just to support your point and clarify, when you say he is not a molvee, rather he is a renowned scholar, that means that he is far FAR more knowledgable than an average molvee regardless of any silsila or maslak or fiqh.

[Speedray]

True these Scholars place more weight on "Flags from Khurasan" narrative over "Ghazwa-e-Hind" narrative. The only problem is that Black flag hadith talks about Khurasan army killing Muslims like they have never been killed before and ends with all Muslim unifying under the command of Mehdi. In between there are events which Thawban (RA) can’t remember and Thawaban (RA) is the one who has narrated the Hadith. I would really like to know what these scholars think those missing events are? That will suddenly lead from Muslim Civil war to Muslim becoming a powerful force under Mehdi?

I heared in one of discussion of Dr Israr .. he said there wont be any Ghazwa e Hind but yes an army of Khorasan will go to Palestine  at the time of Imam Mehdi .... the hadiths of conquer of Dehli ..are  graded weak by many scholars.. Considering the reward for participating in this war and the importance of it, as these ahadees tell, they should have been narrated by more companions of the Prophet and should have been there in more books of ahadees.

i agree with Ababeel bro , Sunan Nisai is in Sehah Sittah ..  but confusion how come a hadith in Sehah  Sittah could be weak hadith.. a question which only those scholars can explain who are calling this hadith as weak Hadith...

May Allah forgive me  if I am wrong ...  but  Allah knows main aim is to understand the hadith with open mind instead of blindly following Zaid Hamid   ..  I respect  him when he speaks about Patriotism but I disagree with him when he goes with NATIONALISM ..

My opinion is with  Dr Israr from Pakistan , Dr Zakir from India  , Dr Javed Ahmed Ghamidi from Pakistan + many other  Scholars who  strongly oppose   Zaid Hamid's speec   using the above mentioned hadiths  for political or military motives to  invade India  or more bluntly speaking .. Pakistan  army conquering  Dehli, Calcutta, Banglore , Mumbai - upcoming Ghazwa Hind  as one of the last signs of Judgement Day..


Intellectual Reason to disagree  with Islamic point of view  :

1)   None of these ahadiths  is found in reliable soruces like Bukhari, Muslim, Mu’atta etc. None of above mentioned  five ahadees are found in Sihah-e-Sitta.  ( set of  the most authenticate books of ahadiths after Quran)

2)   it must be remembered that it would have been very easy for Muslim conquerors of India in the past, men like Mahmud of Ghazni, Shihabuddin Ghori, Timur, Nadir Shah and so on, to present the hadith about the ghazwat ul-hind and wield it as a weapon to justify their attacks on the country. The corrupt ulema associated with their courts could well have suggested this to them had they wished. However, no such mention is made about this in history books. In the eighteenth century, the well-known Islamic scholar Shah Waliullah of Delhi invited the Afghan warlord Ahmad Shah Abdali to invade India and dispel the Marathas, which he accepted, but yet Shah Waliullah, too, did not use this hadith as a pretext for this.


3)  The hadiths mentioned above  are narrated through a single chain. Reported only once through one companion of the Prophet.

4)  Considering the reward for participating in this war and the importance of it, as these ahadees tell, they should have been narrated by more companions of the Prophet and should have been there in more books of ahadees.

5)  Lets suppose.. what if they are authentic ? still We don`t have any history report telling us about the use of these ahadees in the past by Muslim rulers or conquerors, even those who did invade India or waged a war on it. If they were respected and authentic ahadees, we should have such history reports... these ahadiths are  ONLY  extra-ordinary highlighted by  our Defence Analyst of Pakistan.. Zaid Hamid..


Islamic Scholars of the World  who disagree with concept of  UPCOMING Ghazwa e Hind :

• Dr Israr
• Javed Ghamidi
• Maulana Abdul Hamid Numani
• Mufti Sajid Qasmi
• Maulana Mufti Mushtaq Tijarvi of the Jamaat-i Islami Hind
• Ayotullah Fadlallah

PS : I appreciate  Zaid Hamid when he speak about Patriotism in youth .. if we see .. 98% of his work is excellent  .. but I disagree when speak about NATIONALISM in youth  + I request all people here who are close  to Zaid Hamid or in contact with him to convince him on this issue ...  

[rungroot]

What I heared in one of discussion of Dr Israr .. he said there wont be any Ghazwa e Hind .... the hadiths u r mentioning are weak by many scholars.. only they explain why they are calling Ghazwa e Hind hadith  as a weak hadith..

Yaar don't talk about Dr. Israr Ahmed.  I respect him but at the same time, I am very suspicous of him for a number of reasons:

1.  I smell deep, hidden hatred in him for shia muslims and as such, being a pan-Islamist, I take a very serious note of this.
2.  He is always critisizing (and rightly so) the Muslims of Pakistan for not being able to implement Shariat but never ONCE does he acknowledge that it is BECAUSE of Pakistan that he is openly able to preach the implementation of Shariat in the nation (just try that in india and see what happens to him).
3.  He never critisizes muslims of India based on the cold hard fact that since they did NOT migrate  to Pakistan, they are now at the mercy of hindu nut-cases of india (case in point, gujrat).  He never once critisized muslims of india and said that "agar itni hi tumhari izzat hay idhar, zara Babri Masjid to dubara taameer karwa kay batao)?

The same goes for Dr. Zakir Naik.  I really like him but alas, he is at the mercy of hindus.   In one of his speeches, a hindu bluntly asked him a question if he was proud of india.  Dr. Zakir Naik answered that yes he is.  Excuse me?  Even a blind man can tell that if there was no pressure on him, he would have answered that "india makes a man responsible for the cold blooded murder of 5000+ muslims in less than a week the governor of gujrat.  india prevents the rebuilding of a very historical mosque that was ripped apart by terrorist hindus.  indian law enforcement and army idolly stands by and watched the rape, murder and piledge of christian indians at the hands of the terrorist hindus.  And you ask me if I am proud of india???  The HELL NO I'M NOT PROUD OF NO india".  But he couldn't.  He wouldn't DARE.  He'll disappear the very next DAY!

The list goes on and on.  Hum Pakistani hi milay hain ussay critisize karnay ko, india kay musalman to jaysay baray apnay deen pay qayam aur dayam hay (yeah,right).  So I have some very serious issues with him and take everything he says with a grain of salt.

[Ababeel]

I heared in one of discussion of Dr Israr .. he said there wont be any Ghazwa e Hind but yes an army of Khorasan will go to Palestine  at the time of Imam Mehdi .... the hadiths of conquer of Dehli ..are  graded weak by many scholars.. Considering the reward for participating in this war and the importance of it, as these ahadees tell, they should have been narrated by more companions of the Prophet and should have been there in more books of ahadees.

Speedray Bro please watch these two videos of Dr. Israr. Start from midway of the first link where they start talking about black flags and then Ghazwa-e-hind. By the way I agree with Rungroot point of Muslim unity and Dr. Israr, I agree with Maulana Ishaq on this.

Azaan TV: Exclusive Interview with Dr. Israr Ahmed

Link 1
Link 2

To see the full interview click here
http://www.azaantv.tv/intellecttalk_detail.asp?str_mid=33

In the above video Dr. Israr makes the following points.

- Talking about Ghazwa-e-Hind and Abu Huraira (RA) hadith of capturing Hindu leaders in shackles, Dr. Israr says in his personal opinion this was Muhammed Bin Qasim campaign.

- Talking about the second hadith of Ghazwa-e-Hind of Thawban (RA) mentioned in Sunan Nasi, Dr. Israr says the following that in his opinion there are two groups being discussed here not necessarily the same army that will capture Hind and fight with Isa (AS). But he does say the following that he has a hunch (guess) that once Afghanistan & Pakistan become Islamic (I suppose he is talking about Khilafa) that they will expand eastwards and westwards on one hand conquering Jerusalem and fighting along side Isa (AS) against Dajjal and on eastward front conquering Hindustan (Ghazwa-e-Hind).

i agree with Ababeel bro , Sunan Nisai is in Sehah Sittah ..  but confusion how come a hadith in Sehah  Sittah could be weak hadith.. a question which only those scholars can explain who are calling this hadith as weak Hadith...

The hadith of Thawban (RA) in Sunan Nasai is sahih as far as I know, but since you asked about 6 books of Hadith I will say what little I know on this subject as side note and not to derail this topic into hadith disucssion.

Sahih books- They are compilation of Sahih Hadith, where author main purpose and objective is to only report the Sahih Hadith, thats the compilation genre for a Sahih work. If one is looking for All Sahih Hadith then one will turn to Sahih works.

Sunan books- They are compilation of Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (Pbuh), where author main purpose and objective is to compile those hadith that pertain to sunnah aspect for a Muslim daily life. The compilation genre is focused more towards sunnah (act of worship) of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) than to compile all Sahih hadith, thats why many scholors have written secondry book on the Sunan book identiying Sahih hadith and week Hadith in the sunan works. So in Sunnah Works if one wants to find all the hadith related to Nikah one can find it easily.

Musnad books- They are compilation of Hadith with primary narrator in mind, the compilaton and collection genre is not Sunnah or Sahih hadith rather which Sahabi or Tabayeen transmitted the hadith, thats why you find Musnad chapters to be the name of the transmitters. Agan this work will contail Sahih and week hadith as the intended genre was to categorize hadith according to the narrator. This is helpful because if one want to search for all hadiths that are narrated from a companion then its easy to find in this type of book.

and there other books of hadith with different compilation genre in mind, so  no need to go into them in this thread. As for Sah-e-stittah it doesnt have a linguistic meaning rather it means widely accepted books, which mean its contain Sahih works which are authentic and Sunan works which vast majority are Sahih but they do include some week hadith, because of the intended compilation genre for sunan works was little bit different from a Sahih work.

[rungroot]

Speedray Bro please watch these two videos of Dr. Israr. Start from midway of the first link where they start talking about black flags and then Ghazwa-e-hind. By the way I agree with Rungroot point of Muslim unity and Dr. Israr, I agree with Maulana Ishaq on this.

Azaan TV: Exclusive Interview with Dr. Israr Ahmed

Link 1
Link 2

To see the full interview click here
http://www.azaantv.tv/intellecttalk_detail.asp?str_mid=33

In the above video Dr. Israr makes the following points.

- Talking about Ghazwa-e-Hind and Abu Huraira (RA) hadith of capturing Hindu leaders in shackles, Dr. Israr says in his personal opinion this was Muhammed Bin Qasim campaign.

- Talking about the second hadith of Ghazwa-e-Hind of Thawban (RA) mentioned in Sunan Nasi, Dr. Israr says the following that in his opinion there are two groups being discussed here not necessarily the same army that will capture Hind and fight with Isa (AS). But he does say the following that he has a hunch (guess) that once Afghanistan & Pakistan become Islamic (I suppose he is talking about Khilafa) that they will expand eastwards and westwards on one hand conquering Jerusalem and fighting along side Isa (AS) against Dajjal and on eastward front conquering Hindustan (Ghazwa-e-Hind).




The hadith of Thawban (RA) in Sunan Nasai is sahih as far as I know, but since you asked about 6 books of Hadith I will say what little I know on this subject as side note and not to derail this topic into hadith disucssion.

Sahih books- They are compilation of Sahih Hadith, where author main purpose and objective is to only report the Sahih Hadith, thats the compilation genre for a Sahih work. If one is looking for All Sahih Hadith then one will turn to Sahih works.

Sunan books- They are compilation of Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (Pbuh), where author main purpose and objective is to compile those hadith that pertain to sunnah aspect for a Muslim daily life. The compilation genre is focused more towards sunnah (act of worship) of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) than to compile all Sahih hadith, thats why many scholors have written secondry book on the Sunan book identiying Sahih hadith and week Hadith in the sunan works. So in Sunnah Works if one wants to find all the hadith related to Nikah one can find it easily.

Musnad books- They are compilation of Hadith with primary narrator in mind, the compilaton and collection genre is not Sunnah or Sahih hadith rather which Sahabi or Tabayeen transmitted the hadith, thats why you find Musnad chapters to be the name of the transmitters. Agan this work will contail Sahih and week hadith as the intended genre was to categorize hadith according to the narrator. This is helpful because if one want to search for all hadiths that are narrated from a companion then its easy to find in this type of book.

and there other books of hadith with different compilation genre in mind, so  no need to go into them in this thread. As for Sah-e-stittah it doesnt have a linguistic meaning rather it means widely accepted books, which mean its contain Sahih works which are authentic and Sunan works which vast majority are Sahih but they do include some week hadith, because of the intended compilation genre for sunan works was little bit different from a Sahih work.

And I also think that Dr. Israr comes down too hard on women.  I mean, inka bas chalay to yeh sirif hijaab ki jaggah yeh farz karday kay aurat ghar say baahair nikal hi nahi sakti aur ghar may BHI tokri ka burqah pahayn kay baithi rahay aur bas.  I mean, come on, gimme a break, this break will turn every muslim woman into a baaghi, he is just too harsh.  Sorry but I smell a serious issue of shuevanism in his words when he talks about women.  He even critisized Saudi women and said that fine they go out side with their husbands in a burqah on the top but do alot of make up underneath.  Aray yaar woh burqay kay neechay chahay make up karay chahay jewelrey pehnay, TUMHAY KIA TAKLEEF HO RAHI HAY, yeh uska aur uskay mia ka maamla hay yaar, tum kiyon beech may naak ara rahay ho?   He even critisized that Saudi women are wearing mini-skirts at home.  Oh come on dude.  Aray bhai farz ki jiyae keh agar koi aurat apnay ghar ki chaar deevari may bachoan ki nazroan say door apnay mia ko chahay make up karkay dikhaye, chahay mini skirt pahayn kay dikhaye, chahay KUCH bhi karay, aray jayz hay yaar, mia biwi kay mamlah hay, aik intimate aur pyaar bhara rishta hay, TUM KIYON MIA BIWI KAY BEDROOM MAY GHUSKAY AIK THANAYDAAR BANNAY KI KOSHISH KAR RAHAY HO???  

[Ababeel]

Coming back to the topic following is a 40 page book by Professor Dr. Asmatullah on this topic of Ghazwa-e-Hind. The same 5 hadith are also mentioned here.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14792666/Gazwa-e-Hind

[Ababeel]

Found this on Sunni Forum posting this as is, interesting comentary

Re: Query regarding hadeeth about india

Asslamo Allaikum,

Hadeeth Number One:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/D...Doc=3&Rec=4781

أخبرني ‏ ‏محمد بن عبد الله بن عبد الرحيم ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏أسد بن موسى ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏بقية ‏ ‏قال حدثني ‏ ‏أبو بكر الزبيدي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أخيه ‏ ‏محمد بن الوليد ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏لقمان بن عامر ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عبد الأعلى بن عدي البهراني ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ثوبان مولى رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال ‏
‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏عصابتان ‏ ‏من أمتي ‏ ‏أحرزهما ‏ ‏الله من النار ‏ ‏عصابة ‏ ‏تغزو ‏ ‏الهند ‏ ‏وعصابة ‏ ‏تكون مع ‏ ‏عيسى ابن مريم ‏ ‏عليهما السلام ‏

Thawban (RA) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "Two groups of my Ummah Allah has protected from the Hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with 'Eessa son of Maryam (AS)" (Nasai & also mentioned in Ahmed & Tabarani.).

Commentary by Shayhul-Hadeeth Maulana Muhammad Sarfarz Khan Safdar:

This Hadeeth illustrates that a time will come when Ahlul-Islam will get sick and tired of Indian oppression and will do Jihad with India and apparently this has begun. From the creation of Pakistan (within the huge landscape of India) until now, the Hindu oppressors have indeed inflicted significant hardship on the Muslims, countless Muslims have been murdered (Shaheed) and their properties have been destroyed. Moreover, the oppression in Kashmir is not hidden from any sensible individual. Although some Muslim organisations are “voluntarily” engaged in Jihad but over 53+ Muslim states are shamelessly silent (on the issue of Kashmir) and afraid to upset their Masters (America and its confederates) …But a time will come when Muslims (those with honour and dignity) will take on India and be successful.

Hadeeth Number Two:

Translation: Na'im b. Hammad in al-Fitan reports that Abu Hurayrah, radhiAllaahu 'anhu, said that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, mentioned India and said, "A group of you will conquer India, Allah will open for them [India] until they come with its kings chained - Allah having forgiven their sins - when they return back [from India], they will find Ibn Maryam in Syria." (Kanzul-Ummal)


Commentary by Shayhul-Hadeeth Maulana Muhammad Sarfarz Khan Safdar:

Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) mentioned India and described that “Your army will engage in Jihad against India and Allah (SWT) will grant it victory. Alhumdolillah Allah (SWT) granted victory to the Mujahideen and Pakistan Army in Kargil (and its surroundings) and Nawaz Shareef (the American stooge) turned it into defeat. A time will come when the Army of Muslims will bring the rulers of India in handcuffs, chained (to the neck) and Allah (SWT) will forgive the sins of the entire Army. When this Army will return victorious they will witness Isa Ibn Maryam (RA) in Syria

Hadeeth Number Three:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/D...Doc=3&Rec=4780


حدثني ‏ ‏محمد بن إسمعيل بن إبراهيم ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏يزيد ‏ ‏قال أنبأنا ‏ ‏هشيم ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏سيار أبو الحكم ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏جبر بن عبيدة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏ ‏قال ‏
‏وعدنا رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏غزوة ‏ ‏الهند ‏ ‏فإن أدركتها أنفق فيها نفسي ومالي وإن قتلت كنت أفضل الشهداء وإن رجعت فأنا ‏ ‏أبو هريرة ‏ ‏المحرر ‏

Abu Hurayrah (RA) said, "The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) promised us the conquest of India. If I was to come across that I will spend my soul and wealth. If I am killed then I am among the best of martyrs. And if I return then I am Abu Hurayrah (RA) the freed." (Nasai & also mentioned in Ahmed & Hakim.).

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread...ndia-Hind/page9

[Ababeel]

Also found this on Sunni Forum interesting question

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread...ndia-Hind/page8

Originally Posted by Muadh_Khan  

Asslamo Allaikum,

Question for Ulama:

Ghazwa is a technical term in Islam for a war in which Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) himself participated.
Why is this war (in India) called Ghazwa by Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam)?

Walikum-us-salam.

There are two types of ghazwat.

Ghazwat-e-Waqiya: These include those wars which were fought during the times of Rasoolulah (SAWW). These can be further divided into "ghazwa" and "surriyya".

Ghazwat-e-Mo'uudah: These include the future wars which have been predicted in the hadeeths of Rasoolulah (SAWW).

Please have a look at the attached image, where I have gathered the required information.

[Oracle]

Yaaro, "Gazwa" to pata naheen 5 years main ho, ya 500 years baad.
filhaal drone attacks hi band karwa dain to bari meherbani.

[rungroot]

Yaaro, "Gazwa" to pata naheen 5 years main ho, ya 500 years baad.
filhaal drone attacks hi band karwa dain to bari meherbani.

Bankay, pipliya hatado, droan attacks band hojayain gae.

[Oracle]

Bankay, pipliya hatado, droan attacks band hojayain gae.

parwanay, drones foj kay zamanay main shuru huay thay. foj ko kaho band karway.

[rungroot]

parwanay, drones foj kay zamanay main shuru huay thay. foj ko kaho band karway.

Bankay I know magar bohat kam thay.  Aap ki is "democrazy" kay zamanay may 100 guna barh gaye hain, apni is democratic government ko kahain keh PAF ko orders day day, ACM Rao nay to bohat pehlay keh diya tha keh PAF is more than capable of stopping drone attacks but since this is coming from a supposed "ally", the government has to take an executive decision and order us to shoot them down.  Ab zardari aur gilirani kay moo par dollars ki tape lag gayee hay to kia karain.

[Oracle]

ahh, hamari fauj kitni majboor fauj hay.

[Aliph Ahmed]

ahh, hamari fauj kitni majboor fauj hay.

Exactly!

Jub independed thi Musharraf kay zamanay may tub logon ko problem.
Ab jub government kay under may hay tub bhi logon ko problem.

Dono sorton may problem hi problem.

Wasiay the Democracy government was supposedly going to end these drone attacks not to mention 50% reduction in major public consumption items. Yeh alag baat hay kay drone attacks have increased 100%+ and cost of living has increased 50%.

Anyways,

Lets get back to the topic, My understanding is that Ghazwa e Hind will start within 5 years.....

[Ababeel]

Exactly!
Lets get back to the topic, My understanding is that Ghazwa e Hind will start within 5 years.....

Exactly lets stay on topic, drone attacks can be discussed in another thread.

[rungroot]

Exactly lets stay on topic, drone attacks can be discussed in another thread.

Uhm, yeah okay, so uhm, speaking of the topic, we all concur that Ghazwa e hind will happen.  Let's take some solid steps in preparing for it, shall we?

[Ababeel]

Posting this because its related to the topic of this thread.

Question posed to Dr. Israr: What do you think about Future of Pakistan?

Start from Part 1 @ 4:50 minute onwards

Part 1
Part 2

Khizar-e-Waqt Azz Khalwate Dasht-e-Hijaz Ayaid Baroon
Qarwaan Zeen Waadiyaan Door-o-Daraaaz Ayaid Baroon

The Imam of his time shall Emerge from the land of Hijaz
Caravan that will lend its support to Imam shall Emerge from this valley (Pakistan)

[faizan khaliq]

I think it will start from kashmir
a low intensity prolonged conflict between kashmirees and Pakistani forces on one side and indian army on other side
after loss of kashmir hnidu extremist reaction will spread it all over India
and Pakistan will be forced to intervene
however a lot will happen in Pakistan before that
the present economical set up will not be able to support kashmir war
so after the start of kashmir war Pakistan will go through a revolution
where moderates will be defeated-cornered by Islamic powers
Who will change peace economy to interest free war economy
However it still confusing whether this will happen before Americans leave Afghanistan or after
But the chances are after American ouster

[Aliph Ahmed]

I believe once India realizes losing her foothold in Afghanistan to Pakistan is inevitable, she will as a last resort try to stir trouble on the INDO-PAK border.

What India will start as a calculated small skrimish will end up as a full fledged war after Pakistan retaliates massively.

India having a buniya mentality will try her best not to let go to waste her investments in Afghanistan and hence the corridor option.

In my opinion, she will try to carve out a route to Afghanistan through the Gilgit and Baltistan area. As per the news, most of India's latest modernization is mountain and high altitude specific. The lastest order of 155mm towed artillery being one such example.

and I belive this is where the 4th and last final war started by India will take place which will result in Pakistan conquering all of India.

[seacad]

A more neatly compiled list of "Spiritual Dimensions of Pakistan" where Zaid Hamid discusses the complete details of Naimutullah Shah Wali's book. Each episode is roughly 30 min long, and the details that this book has described concerning every detail that has happened with Pakistan and India upto this point is just amazing



Episode one
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDH-5-VPfeE...feature=related
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRtTebSutbM...feature=related
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUVbkIDrMk4...feature=related
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/24/vTb3aWFNLas

Episode 2

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/17/NNls-vepPVc
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/14/OUIRsSyLl6I
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/21/a30yjdEVfJs

Episode 3

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/22/lMqk2WZTS_4
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/23/tQzayFtQM3U
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/31/bzqZFXXXowQ

Episode 4

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/5/ZMYeKzb87rI
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/2/J9xaG7Uaf2g
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/10/Nb6ktJwvdEM
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/25/W_SXlDW1oB0

Episode 5

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/0/QRIuRQ3ZRsg
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/3/YxmgwCjQXCA
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/5/dQHEA_jfzuk
Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/0/GDZM_HaqLnU

Episode 6

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/2/hAsYgsRpUGE
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/0/ADcNBb8Z9R8
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/1/uWnwxgxntvo

Episode 7

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/1/rakGOxmUfpk
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/3/CCa_oh7Y0Rk
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/0/zNixBT5QRa0

Episode 8

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/2/NTx59wV1RlY
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/1/Y35b9KlUf5c
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/user/GobletG#p/search/0/pCLOvbF-gcU

[Tamerlane]

Events are moving at a very fast pace at the moment and I believe all these things will happen within a few years.

According to the hadith when the Muslim army finishes with Ghazwa e Hind Jesus (RA) will be present and the army will move to help him. The Mahdi (AS) will come before Jesus, so the Mahdi will be present at the same time as Pakistan is clobbering India, inshallah.

Who's going to occupy India? It won't be the Taliban or their terrorist helpers inside Pakistan who blow up women and children. The war with India will be fought and won by the Pakistan Army and massive reserve forces made up of the common people of the country. The Army can't do it by itself and the civilians cannot do it by themselves. There has to be a general mobilization of the population and every citizen has be be given military training. That's why I recommend a paramilitary reserve force of over 10 million.

The military campaign against India is likely to be fought in a "post-nuclear" war situation. Any major invasion of either country is likely to result in a nuclear exchange and people assume that is the end of the war, but in reality the vast bulk of the populations of both countries will still be alive and there's no reason to stop fighting at that point. In fact, in a post-nuclear situation Pakistan will have the advantage. This will be because once India has used up whatever advanced weaponry they've begged, borrowed or stolen from Russia, America and Israel then it will come down to hand to hand fighting and then Pakistanis will slaughter the vegetable eating Indians.

Knowing the Hindus' deep seated fear of Muslims I can't see India attacking Pakistan alone. They will do it before America leaves Afghanistan. As we can see for ourselves how the war against Pakistan has been massively increased in the last 2-3 years. The war has already started and we're going through the softening-up phase. The Americans softened up Iraq, including aerial attacks, for over 10 years before going in. That's exactly what's happening with Pakistan at the moment - a joint American-Indian softening-up process before moving in for the kill.

So the Ghanzwa-e-Hind has already stared and going on in a big way. What's happening in Pakistan is not even a low-intensity conflict, it's actually a medium-intensity conflict and it's destroying the country from top to bottom. But most people are asleep and are more interested in stabbing other Pakistanis in the back.

The Americans and Israelis are planning to attack Iran soon. That may be the trigger for India to make a move on Pakistan. The Americans will probably give them a guarantee of jamming Pakistan's nukes. In fact all the thousands of American troops positioned inside Pakistan will probably launch a massive attack on Pakistan's nuclear infrastructure and if the Pakistan Army has the courage to kill them then that will act as a trip-wire for America to land forces inside Pakistan.

When this war heats up believe me it won't be pretty for Pakistan. Americans coming from the west, Indians coming from the east, Blackwater attacking inside the cities, all the TTP suicide bombers attacking the mosques, shops, etc. Zardari and his men providing full support to the enemies.

Unfortunately this is the only way for Pakistanis to wake up. Today when someone warns them of the dangers they get laughed at and called war-mongers and conspiracy theorists. When the cities are occupied and large numbers of people are dead then people will accept the truth. That is when the Pakistani counter attack will start.

If Pakistan's nukes are suppressed or neutralized America's interest in Pakistan ends. They won't want to waste their lives to go beyond that. Then India has to finish the job and then they'll find that their weapons won't save them from enraged Pakistanis.

At that point practically every Pakistani male of fighting age (42,633,765) will want to take up a gun and go to India. That's when doom will come to them for what they've done. And inshallah we'll take revenge for all the bombs and terror they're sponsoring. Their leadership will be captured, including the extremist Hindu terrorists, and brought to Islamabad and hung in front of live TV. No mercy will be shown to their leaders because by that time they may have millions of Pakistani lives to pay for. And it is a high chance that Pakistan will have to sacrifice millions of lives to win this war.

If Pakistanis had been a bit more clever we would have been preparing for all of this. But unfortunately most people are happy to bury their heads in the sand like ostriches and pretend nothing is happening. The whole country is being attacked and collapsing around them but people are lost in kabutar bazi  and shatranj.

During the time Pakistan is semi-occupied and looking like it's been beaten, that is the time when the Americans will go for regime change in Saudi Arabia. That is what will bring about the three-way fight for the kingdom. One sponsored by the US, and two others will fight for power and even during haj people will be killed in vast numbers. That will be the signal for the arrival of the Mahdi.

Once the Mehdi arrives the Pakistanis will feel a great morale boost and then they will fight. Then the Dajjal will come. By the time the war with India ends another few years would have passed and that is when Jesus will come.

By the time the Pakistanis go to the aid of Jesus Pakistan will probably have recreated it's nuclear arsenal because those weapons will be very necessary for fighting armageddon. All the warmongers and criminals will be exterminated from the face of the earth. After that the golden age of Islam will begin, inshallah, the most prosperous and peaceful period in human history. And that should last hundreds of years.

It is really the millions of people from advanced countries that become Muslim under the influence of Jesus who will make the Islamic world great, scientifically, technologically and in every other way.

That's my guess about the chronology of events.

[rungroot]

Maulana Akram Awan on Ghazwa e Hind (sorry if it's already been posted before):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeii9Ls-_Y

[haroons222]

Ok so i havent kept up with this Ghazwa e hind reading, but i noticed the "U.S. warning to India that attack imminent on Delhi"....and i naturally read that as"A staged attack on India since Mumbai attacked failed to bring enough pressure".......Crap, a high profile, multinational event like IPL is probably what these zionists pacifists are looking for, get as many ppl/nations against Pk as possible    .............and did u notice that before IPL, some unknown (supposedly) Al Qaeda group, 302 brigade or something threatened IPL:S....so its a mess and i think some black op is around the corner....ah these war mongorers will never let ppl rest in peace.

[faizan khaliq]

good analysis  tamelane sahib, apparently we heading in that direction however in the chronology of events fall of Iran seems
a reality

[seacad]

Ok so i havent kept up with this Ghazwa e hind reading, but i noticed the "U.S. warning to India that attack imminent on Delhi"....and i naturally read that as"A staged attack on India since Mumbai attacked failed to bring enough pressure".......Crap, a high profile, multinational event like IPL is probably what these zionists pacifists are looking for, get as many ppl/nations against Pk as possible   .............and did u notice that before IPL, some unknown (supposedly) Al Qaeda group, 302 brigade or something threatened IPL:S....so its a mess and i think some black op is around the corner....ah these war mongorers will never let ppl rest in peace.

Damn, never thought of that, what better way of attacking/killing people from all over the world like england, australia, south africa and then getting them all on India's side by blaming it on Pak. Could be something to watch out for in the future

[haroons222]

good analysis  tamelane sahib, apparently we heading in that direction however in the chronology of events fall of Iran seems
a reality

I was SHOCKED to see Ahmedenejad call the mumbai attacks as staged attacks by the zionist because if i remember Iran was always close to India, closer then Pk anyway,esp. in the 90s and before...it really does tell you how geopolitics has changed soo drastically in the last 10-12 yrs!!

[haroons222]

Damn, never thought of that, what better way of attacking/killing people from all over the world like england, australia, south africa and then getting them all on India's side by blaming it on Pak. Could be something to watch out for in the future

I have my fingers crossed, but it does show you how easy it is for them. and its not like these ppl care.
I honestly believe the lankan team attack was a RAW operation using local assets.And its funny how india blames both of these on LeT...mumbai and Lahore,even before the Pakistanis finished their investigation

[faizan khaliq]

Damn, never thought of that, what better way of attacking/killing people from all over the world like england, australia, south africa and then getting them all on India's side by blaming it on Pak. Could be something to watch out for in the future

count on it inshallah we will defeat this mighty coalition if at all it happens I have absolutely no doubt about the outcome , they can bring it on

[sfhussain]

Tamerlane pretty much sumed it up. The miscalculation in arrogance works in our favor. I would like to put some positive news:
In the Mush era, PA was not much of a fighting force - Now it is batttle hardened and the commander of the swat opration is DCGS.
Ex-army personnel are being inducted into the paramilitary forces (reserves call up) and other police are being trained by PA.
The economic situation in Pakistan is already at War like state and we do not loose much.
The trigger for Indian attack can also be the "terror strike in delhi" or removal of the present elite being resisted by western forces (disguised a fighters for democracy) with Ghadari and N groups appealing for international help to 'save" democracy.
I hope these "aman ki aasha a$$holes" taste Indian occupation - the Mir Jaffars need to taste the medicine thay has inflicted on us.
Victory has to be ours, Insha-Allah.

[haroons222]

Tamerlane pretty much sumed it up. The miscalculation in arrogance works in our favor. I would like to put some positive news:
In the Mush era, PA was not much of a fighting force - Now it is batttle hardened and the commander of the swat opration is DCGS.
Ex-army personnel are being inducted into the paramilitary forces (reserves call up) and other police are being trained by PA.
The economic situation in Pakistan is already at War like state and we do not loose much.
The trigger for Indian attack can also be the "terror strike in delhi" or removal of the present elite being resisted by western forces (disguised a fighters for democracy) with Ghadari and N groups appealing for international help to 'save" democracy.
I hope these "aman ki aasha a$$holes" taste Indian occupation - the Mir Jaffars need to taste the medicine thay has inflicted on us.
Victory has to be ours, Insha-Allah.

Yea PA has finally woken up to the threat...actually they always were aware, Mush was just too pro-U.S. to do anything abt it...hence his easy departure.Anyhow,i still doubt U.S. would every openly attack and challenge PA...see for them to SUPPORT THIS AMAN KI ASHA crowd, they have to physically interfere in Pakistan and they are in no position to do so.One could argue that they can ask India to do their bidding but even then,i highly doubt India would risk anything major like that,i might be underestimating their stupidity though.This is why their plan is to weaken us internally using this nationalist groups and these terror activities.This is a critical 2-3 yrs, if we can push the TTP further or eliminate it, remove these ghadar clowns from power, and keep a lid on BLA etc, we can basically negate their 10 yr old plan...it would make it very hard for them.In another 5 yrs, with further induction of J-10 and alot more JF-17,i doubt the indians would ever think abt an attack and hopefully our friendlies would be back in power in Afghanistan and JUST MAYBE after we clean up the parliament, we will have some sane proPakistani as the premier for once in many a decades.

[sfhussain]

i still doubt U.S. would every openly attack and challenge PA...

It is miscalculation or weakness that causes war. In this case for the west it will be miscalculation and in Bhindia's case underestimatiing Pakistan and grossly overestimating themselves.

just imagine the scenario playing on CNN and BBC that valient "forces of democracy" fighting the 'old establishment" which calls for "humanitarian" intervention OR theb terrorists operating in Pak are most likely gooing to take over the 'nukes" with Ghadari and n calling for "international help. There are so many scenario's.

I would like to call to salauddin's saying 'Be Prepared". Assumptions can be fatal in our case.

[seacad]

Some important details about Ghazwa-e-hind from Naimutlullah's Shah Wali's book

-The conflict will heat up and officially start in the Gilgit area

-It will start based on a MAJOR LIE (ie staged false attack like Mumbai drama)

-Conflict will spread into Lahore and Lahore will either be taken or occupied

- Conflict will last either 6 months or 6 years (most probably 6 years)

-Kafirs blood will fill up the river Indus 3 times (ie the kafirs will reach upto River Indus but will suffer so many casualties there)

-Muslims from around the world NOTABLY from Iran and Turkey will come to aid Pakistan and that's when "entire Hindustan will be made PAK" and their leaders will be captured and brought home in chains InshAllah


Now some people have said that the false flag operation that will start the conflict might be a dirty bomb going off somewhere and being blamed on Pak,  however I doubt this as a nuclear attack or a dirty bomb attack would give india incentive to attack all of Pakistan at once, not just the Gilgit area. Therefore in my opinion it'll be a mumbai-style attack that will be blamed on some "terrorist camp" inside Pakistan (maybe in that area) and that's how the conflict will start.

[Oracle]

Some important details about Ghazwa-e-hind from Naimutlullah's Shah Wali's book

-The conflict will heat up and officially start in the Gilgit area

-It will start based on a MAJOR LIE (ie staged false attack like Mumbai drama)

-Conflict will spread into Lahore and Lahore will either be taken or occupied

- Conflict will last either 6 months or 6 years (most probably 6 years)

-Kafirs blood will fill up the river Indus 3 times (ie the kafirs will reach upto River Indus but will suffer so many casualties there)

-Muslims from around the world NOTABLY from Iran and Turkey will come to aid Pakistan and that's when "entire Hindustan will be made PAK" and their leaders will be captured and brought home in chains InshAllah


Now some people have said that the false flag operation that will start the conflict might be a dirty bomb going off somewhere and being blamed on Pak,  however I doubt this as a nuclear attack or a dirty bomb attack would give india incentive to attack all of Pakistan at once, not just the Gilgit area. Therefore in my opinion it'll be a mumbai-style attack that will be blamed on some "terrorist camp" inside Pakistan (maybe in that area) and that's how the conflict will start.

get a life. Nemat wali thing is fraud.
it is foolish to build history and future on top of such lame stories.
Although we always need to be prepared for any agression by India.

[Oracle]

Maulana Akram Awan on Ghazwa e Hind (sorry if it's already been posted before):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeii9Ls-_Y

rungroot, Akram Awan ki yah baat bhi sun lo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3Xj4TrzKM

[Tamerlane]

rungroot, Akram Awan ki yah baat bhi sun lo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3Xj4TrzKM

This guy just became zero in my view. He thinks that he owns Ghazwa-e-Hind and no one else has a right to talk about it without his permission. He says he's never met Zaid Hamid and then he launches a tirade against him. Also, doesn't he have a link to the anti-Zaid Hamid site on his own Facebook account, so he's obviously got a problem with ZH.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ameer-Muhamm...an/164819744462

It's probably correct to assume that the same people who are running the ZHE Facebook site are also running this guy's site. Those Hameed brothers in Germany.

See these people are all fighting to get supporters for their own selves. If someone asks him why would he tell them to support Zaid Hamid? He would want them to support himself. Bet he's not happy that he's got 179 fans and Zaid Hamid has 54,000.

It's kind of sad how the Naqshbandia Sufi order has been corrupted in Pakistan because I'm a fan of the Naqshbandia Sufis as led by Sheikh Nazim of Cyprus.

[seacad]

get a life. Nemat wali thing is fraud.
it is foolish to build history and future on top of such lame stories.
Although we always need to be prepared for any agression by India.

Nobody's building on anything, just studying and preparing. You dont believe in this guy's work? That's your right and freedom to do whatever you want. So stop lurking around and bitc#ing in this thread and let the people who want to prepare for this thing talk amongst themselves.

[Oracle]

Nobody's building on anything, just studying and preparing. You dont believe in this guy's work? That's your right and freedom to do whatever you want. So stop lurking around and bitc#ing in this thread and let the people who want to prepare for this thing talk amongst themselves.

what a low life.
have some shame and stop deceiving naive people.

[faizan khaliq]

get a life. Nemat wali thing is fraud.
it is foolish to build history and future on top of such lame stories.
Although we always need to be prepared for any agression by India.

Ghazwat-ul hind was used by Hafiz saeed of jamatuddawa as well
by ameer akram awan
and now zaid hamid
about naimatullah shah wali
his prediction of future are in line with this hadith
Wars are waged on sound plans but help of Allah is their
sometime in shape of getting idea, opportunity, and sometime natural phenomenon like flood rain etc
and of course many other ways.However India is at peace they have our river blocked,civil war with in our country
why they will attack it is us who need to go to war for survival
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V1JcyR7TRA...feature=related
baat yeh bhi ghalat nahien keh rahay

[Oracle]

Ghazwat-ul hind was used by Hafiz saeed of jamatuddawa as well
by ameer akram awan
and now zaid hamid
about naimatullah shah wali
his prediction of future are in line with this hadith
Wars are waged on sound plans but help of Allah is their
sometime in shape of getting idea, opportunity, and sometime natural phenomenon like flood rain etc
and of course many other ways.However India is at peace they have our river blocked,civil war with in our country
why they will attack it is us who need to go to war for survival
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V1JcyR7TRA...feature=related
baat yeh bhi ghalat nahien keh rahay

I prefer to stay quiet about Ghazwa e Hind topic but I don't have any doubt about Nemat wali predictions. it is full of baseless fabrications.

[seacad]

what a low life.
have some shame and stop deceiving naive people.

I deceive no one, I presented information for us to debate about. If you dont believe in it you could have simply said so without using smart @$$ insulting remarks. Now you start having shame when talking to your elders and stop acting like a teenage girl on her period. (see how it feels when someone disagrees with you while using insulting remarks? You show respect and you'll get respect)