The Important Developments, Serious Discussion Options

[pingpong]

1) Just heard on Geo/Express News that India is closing its 16 consulates in Afghanistan. other source is Times of India

2) Iranian president visits Afghanistan. which is obviously concerns U.S Dawn

3) Hamid Karzai is to meet president of Pakistan today. Geo.tv

4) US leaders seek to find best way (meaning new/alternate way) to combat extremism Dawn

5) ISI chief gets one-year service extension Dawn

6) Army ready to meet security challenges: Kayani Dawn


Post Critical Analysis only please.

[saleemraja]

Afghan president should be meeting our army chief to negotiate Karzai's surrender terms. Hindu loving US agent needs to be kicked out with the Indians.

1) Just heard on Geo/Express News that India is closing its 16 consulates in Afghanistan. other source is Times of India

2) Iranian president visits Afghanistan. which is obviously concerns U.S Dawn

3) Hamid Karzai is to meet president of Pakistan today. Geo.tv

4) US leaders seek to find best way (meaning new/alternate way) to combat extremism Dawn

5) ISI chief gets one-year service extension Dawn

6) Army ready to meet security challenges: Kayani Dawn


Post Critical Analysis only please.

[1Pakistani]

1. ISI and PA has turned the table around on India and they are running to save their A$$. The last attack on Indian and interception of SUJA PASHA'S call, he probably knew indian were listening in, to Hamid Karazi to push India out of Afghanistan. The message is getting home. TTP is on the decline and India once again has tail between its leg and running home.

2. Well there has been of work done by TURKEY in this as well, i guess Iran is trying to ensure if Taliban do get into power they dont get involved in old conflict of the past which almost led to war between Iran and Afghanistan.

3. Well the SOB is now paying a visit after all he needs his stall in LANDA BAZAR where he can sell the cloths. He is no body after barking at Pakistan for years he has come to his daddy to seek some reward. I say leave him high and dry and make an example out of him.

4. Well they are seeking a way out but at the same time they need to tell their people how have they made US safe from terrorism, the BS for which they went to Afghanistan for, Osama is still on the run and Talibs have turned the table on US. They are just trying to claim victory despite being neck deep in all this.

5. Zardari has no choice and Suja Pasha has turn the tables on India and CIA in Afghanistan. Zardari had to obey PA otherwise they will be seeing his neck on the line.

6. Just a statement and tell the enemy that what ever you throw at us we will handle it.

[leuitenentcolone...]

1) Just heard on Geo/Express News that India is closing its 16 consulates in Afghanistan. other source is Times of India

2) Iranian president visits Afghanistan. which is obviously concerns U.S Dawn

3) Hamid Karzai is to meet president of Pakistan today. Geo.tv

4) US leaders seek to find best way (meaning new/alternate way) to combat extremism Dawn

5) ISI chief gets one-year service extension Dawn

6) Army ready to meet security challenges: Kayani Dawn


Post Critical Analysis only please.

Answers
(1) running for their lives after annihilated by Talibans in Afghanistan and failed campaign of FATA through TTP which is sabotaged by PA cause they know now ISI will hit them everywhere possible in retaliation

(2) Concerned for US is the arrest of Rigi by Iranians, this visit is a response from Nijad, diplomatic battle

(3) Please save my ass if Talibans turns

(4) seeking reason to leave Afghanistan

(5) go and kick some more TTP/RAW/Indian ass where ever when ever possible

(6) want some? come get some

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[1Pakistani]

Afghan president should be meeting our army chief to negotiate Karzai's surrender terms. Hindu loving US agent needs to be kicked out with the Indians.

Nah man he needs the stall back in LANDA BAZAR so he can sell his stock...

Its about time he is hung like soviet licking leader.

[leuitenentcolone...]

1. ISI and PA has turned the table around on India and they are running to save their A$$. The last attack on Indian and interception of SUJA PASHA'S call, he probably knew indian were listening in, to Hamid Karazi to push India out of Afghanistan. The message is getting home. TTP is on the decline and India once again has tail between its leg and running home.

2. Well there has been of work done by TURKEY in this as well, i guess Iran is trying to ensure if Taliban do get into power they dont get involved in old conflict of the past which almost led to war between Iran and Afghanistan.

3. Well the SOB is now paying a visit after all he needs his stall in LANDA BAZAR where he can sell the cloths. He is no body after barking at Pakistan for years he has come to his daddy to seek some reward. I say leave him high and dry and make an example out of him.

4. Well they are seeking a way out but at the same time they need to tell their people how have they made US safe from terrorism, the BS for which they went to Afghanistan for, Osama is still on the run and Talibs have turned the table on US. They are just trying to claim victory despite being neck deep in all this.

5. Zardari has no choice and Suja Pasha has turn the tables on India and CIA in Afghanistan. Zardari had to obey PA otherwise they will be seeing his neck on the line.

6. Just a statement and tell the enemy that what ever you throw at us we will handle it.

yeah its been observed that Ghadari and CO. has been given a big danda by PA

[pingpong]

Answers
(1) running for their lives after annihilated by Talibans in Afghanistan and failed campaign of FATA through TTP which is sabotaged by PA cause they know now ISI will hit them everywhere possible in retaliation

(2) Concerned for US is the arrest of Rigi by Iranians, this visit is a response from Nijad, diplomatic battle

(3) Please save my ass if Talibans turns

(4) seeking reason to leave Afghanistan

(5) go and kick some more TTP/RAW/Indian ass where ever when ever possible

(6) want some? come get some

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(IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) great analysis (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF)

[Munir]

Karzai will leave power. The Afghan king will return as major power and will be leader of all Afghans (good development). Pakistani will eliminate all Pakistan based armed groups and will guarantee safety for Afghanistan and in return will get oil and gas through Afghanistan and safe border (fixed on the Durand line). This all will be settled before US returns offensive force. US forced India to stop anti Pakistani activities through Afghanistan. At the same time it is forcing India to rething its army pressure on the Kashmiri side. Indians had no longer US card and went to Saudi Arab. But got no guarantees from them cause Pakistan is already a good friend ond protector of KSA. India gets safer border and in return Pakistan will get support to get French nuclear power installations (as energy need in the near future).

You will see Pakistani parts in the tribal area being taken by Pakistani army. You will see more high tech weapons being part of Pakistani forces within 2 years time.

[tamanna]

Analysis serially....

1.India lost and scared thats why they closing down shops and running from afghanistan.all these 9 years they were piggybacking on usa.now usa is running.so before that hindus lost heart.so what they do in all such situations if you look back into their history they always run and hide in their temples,right from Md.Ghori's time.Somnath is prime example of hindus being cowards.This time also even if they run,they will be chased and massacred.

2.Iran is got mollified with us coz we gave them rigi.so they jumped into our camp.iran is right us now.not like in 1990s when iran was with hindus and russia.Thats why iranian president went to afghanistan to tell hamid karzai that his time is up.Iranian president might have also told karzai not to trust hindus as iran was already betrayed by them at IAEA vote.he might have also told karzai that they must learn from irans's experience with hindus.

3.Hamid karzai has been given some reality check by iranian president so he is saving his skin now want to come along with us leaving hindus.

4.By far we are playing our cards correctly like arresting taliban who were negotiating with usa,giving up CIA's rigi to iran,etc so usa has been running out of options.we have checkmated usa in afghanistan.so in desperate move usa might let lose its dogs TTP/blackwater on us.

5.for the continuity of the grand plan of our COAS and ISI chief.kiyani dont want any disruption so he was given 1 year extension.

6.Kiyani here indirectly warning india not to take advantage of our being busy on western front coz we can beat them back as we just did to them in afghanistan.

[Pathfinder]

All credit to the ISI there patience with determination against such barbaric excuse for human beings the TTP and a rock solid stance has really begun to shine through, i pity all of those who undermined the ISI as some fishmongers intelligence agency with no fighting stance. its like ISI impregnated a women without her knowledge and she only realized after a child was born. boooom hindu nation

in other news this useless government seems to have finally signed an agreement for gas with Iran under the pretense of Peace pipe line. lets hope it bears fruition soon as possible so we can rebuild our economy especially in the frontier since now TTP cockroach are being squashed alive.

[Tiberia]

ISI 4 ever, long live men of ISI u have done ur job well.

[saleemraja]

"US forced India to stop anti Pakistani activities through Afghanistan."

(IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) I think a few bombs persuaded them out (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF)

Karzai will leave power. The Afghan king will return as major power and will be leader of all Afghans (good development). Pakistani will eliminate all Pakistan based armed groups and will guarantee safety for Afghanistan and in return will get oil and gas through Afghanistan and safe border (fixed on the Durand line). This all will be settled before US returns offensive force. US forced India to stop anti Pakistani activities through Afghanistan. At the same time it is forcing India to rething its army pressure on the Kashmiri side. Indians had no longer US card and went to Saudi Arab. But got no guarantees from them cause Pakistan is already a good friend ond protector of KSA. India gets safer border and in return Pakistan will get support to get French nuclear power installations (as energy need in the near future).

You will see Pakistani parts in the tribal area being taken by Pakistani army. You will see more high tech weapons being part of Pakistani forces within 2 years time.

[Bilal]

Its not the time to relax, this is a make or break moment. If we play our cards correctly without giving into deceit or intimidation, the future would be broght for us and the Afghans...

[JANA]

Beware of the Bhartis. They are not that truthful. On the other hand as karzai came to Pakistan, The Iranian president went to Afghanistan.


I think Iran has smell something and jumped in. And i feel Indian would try to ride on Iranians' back.

[saleemraja]

Its even better to let them stay in Afghanistan so that we can give them a good drumming. It will cost them hell alot to supply their troops as long as we stop them flying over our territory. If the Iranians want some rear action too let them come. Either they come to terms with Pakistan's interests or they can join the queue for a beating too.

Beware of the Bhartis. They are not that truthful. On the other hand as karzai came to Pakistan, The Iranian president went to Afghanistan.


I think Iran has smell something and jumped in. And i feel Indian would try to ride on Iranians' back.

[SurvivoR]

Well guys if all this is true then it sure is music to my ears. After a longgggggggggg time I see a truly great development taking place.

Kudos and Hats off to our Armed Forces and the ISI!

ISI = Every Endians End Game!


Game Over rat worshipers! (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/SNIPER.GIF)

[thehimalayanwarr...]

Its even better to let them stay in Afghanistan so that we can give them a good drumming. It will cost them hell alot to supply their troops as long as we stop them flying over our territory. If the Iranians want some rear action too let them come. Either they come to terms with Pakistan's interests or they can join the queue for a beating too.

lol rear action saleem bhai statement sounds gay maybe iranians will like some rear action against the indians haha (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF)

[Pathfinder]

India has decided to run from Afghanistan with its tail between its legs as Pakistan increasingly takes center-stage in bringing stability to war-torn Afghanistan.

CNN-IBN Reports: India plans to ’scale down’ its operations in Afghanistan and will advice its citizens in that country to return home, sources in the government have told CNN-IBN.

The Indian government is considering paring down its presence at reconstruction projects in Afghanistan. Projects underway may be wrapped up quickly and there may be even a freeze on undertaking new projects.

Apart from the embassy in Kabul, the work of consulates in Herat, Kandahar, Mazar-e-Sharif and Jalalabad may also be scaled down.

CNN-IBN learns the precarious security situation in Afghanistan–highlighted by the terrorist attacks targeting Indians in Kabul on February 26, is prompting a gradual but significant rethink in New Delhi.

Pakistan Forces India Out Of Afghanistan

Afghanistan’s immediate neighbours – Pakistan, Iran, China, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, as well as the US, met earlier this year in Turkey to discuss the situation in Afghanistan and to take stock of measures for the restoration of peace in the country. The original “six-plus-two” formula also included Russia, but in the new set up Moscow representation was replaced by the United Kingdom.

Diplomatic sources said Pakistan had been lobbying for the renewal of talks among Afghanistan’s neighbours in order to foil Indian designs of gaining a foothold on Afghan soil.

Pakistan believes India is not an immediate neighbour of Afghanistan and therefore should have limited role in the country.

Turkey was asked to convene that meeting, as it enjoys the backing and trust of Pakistan and is accepted as a neutral party for promoting a common approach to the conflict. The conference urged regional players to work together in order to stabilise Afghanistan and the region.

The revival of the talks group came at a crucial juncture – two days before the London Conference attended by 50 nations to discuss the Afghan issue and deliberate on measures to help the war-ravaged nation. The organisers of the London Conference, like the US, had been trying to convince Pakistan on accepting the greater Indian role in Afghanistan.

India appears to be the biggest loser from the London conference. Not only did Pakistan succesfully manage to keep it out of key decision-making, but also offered to help train 300,000 Afghan Police and Army personnel within the next 2 years – a role that India had been whoring itself out for.

Participants of the London Conference also rejected India’s assertion that there were ‘no degrees of Talibanism – all factions must be fought and destroyed’. India often bundles the Kashmiri militant groups within this classification, in an attempt to discredit the legitimate Kashmiri freedom struggle. New Delhi has even gone to the extent of alleging the presence of Afghan Taliban in Indian occupied Kashmir – which was rejected outright by its own Armed forces, causing massive embarassment.

On the other hand, it is Pakistan that seems to have come out of this conference with its head held high. Not only does the world accept the need for bringing Afghan Taliban into the political frame – a long-standing demand of the Pakistan Army – Pakistan has also been requested to assist in brokering the deal which the US and NATO believe will allow them a safe exit.

General Kayani reportedly told US and NATO commanders in the recent meeting in Brussels that Pakistan intends to take a hands on approach and play a central role in bringing stability to Afghanistan. He also demanded the US and its allies curb Indian influence in Afghanistan as the latter has been supporting terrorism in Pakistan from its many bases on Afghan soil.

The tough, matter-of-fact line on India was in stark contrast to that of the current ‘democratic’ rulers of Pakistan, who have bent over backwards in their attempts to appease both the Indians and the Americans.

In a recent presentation to Pakistani media, Gen Kayani also reiterated his widely reported comments on the Pakistan Army’s view of the situation in Afghanistan and the way forward there – and made it clear that his institution’s “frame of reference” for addressing the problems in that country included certain concerns that are India specific.

History, unresolved issues, India’s military capability and its ‘Cold Start’ doctrine meant that Pakistan could not afford to let its guard down.

“We plan on adversaries’ capabilities, not intentions”, General Kayani said.

http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/...egs/#more-10411

[Tipu-786]

Beware of the Bhartis. They are not that truthful. On the other hand as karzai came to Pakistan, The Iranian president went to Afghanistan.


I think Iran has smell something and jumped in. And i feel Indian would try to ride on Iranians' back.

I am totally with Jana on this these endians hindus are big time back stabbers ....

[visioninthedark]

Karzai will leave power. The Afghan king will return as major power and will be leader of all Afghans (good development). Pakistani will eliminate all Pakistan based armed groups and will guarantee safety for Afghanistan and in return will get oil and gas through Afghanistan and safe border (fixed on the Durand line). This all will be settled before US returns offensive force. US forced India to stop anti Pakistani activities through Afghanistan. At the same time it is forcing India to rething its army pressure on the Kashmiri side. Indians had no longer US card and went to Saudi Arab. But got no guarantees from them cause Pakistan is already a good friend ond protector of KSA. India gets safer border and in return Pakistan will get support to get French nuclear power installations (as energy need in the near future).

You will see Pakistani parts in the tribal area being taken by Pakistani army. You will see more high tech weapons being part of Pakistani forces within 2 years time.

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Munir bhai sahab ...... if this is your personal analysis ...... well done ....... you almost 90% there (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/smile.gif)

[reichmarshal]

Intl politics is not this simple.

When the taliban were being removed from power, we were assured by the americans that Pak will be the real power broker and all decision will be made with our consultation....and to this effect musheraf came on tv and said so him self.
But what happen in reality was that we got fu#ked in the a$$ by all and sundery and have been paying for it for the last 10 years.

So we need to keep are feet firmly on the ground and think with our heads and not let "hot air" swell our heads.

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[wasim80]

The goal of Pakistan should be that every single bharati is out of Afghanistan for good. I heard theres more than 5,000 bharatis in Afghanistan. There should be 0 bharatis in Afghanistan, then and only then can Pakistan rest easy.

Karzai is an indian puppet, he must leave politics. If not Pakistan should find him some accommodations for him in Pakistan and keep a watch on him. I heard half of his family lives in Islamabad and other parts of Pakistan.

Afghan Taliban will eventually come to power again in Afghanistan, they will kill karzai when karzai refuses to give up his seat.

Mullah Umer is the only Afghan politician who Pakistan can trust, rest are all puppets of bharatis.

[pak_news_observe...]

[quote name='pingpong' date='Mar 10 2010, 08:52 AM' post='1221412']
1) Just heard on Geo/Express News that India is closing its 16 consulates in Afghanistan. other source is Times of India

I think Pakistan have provided proof of their involvment of terrorism in Pakistan to international forum. So they have no chance except to shut down their consulates. they will try something else and we need to know what they can do?
I cant believe these bhindians............ boht hi ghattia neighbour hai and I agree with jana that they will try to depend on Iran.
I hope iran will not do this bloody mistake but beware of this bania
we should work on Iran Pak China gas pipeline quickly so that one more option of bhindia will go into gutter.


5) ISI chief gets one-year service extension Dawn

very wise move

[Bilal]

Intl politics is not this simple.

When the taliban were being removed from power, we were assured by the americans that Pak will be the real power broker and all decision will be made with our consultation....and to this effect musheraf came on tv and said so him self.
But what happen in reality was that we got fu#ked in the a$$ by all and sundery and have been paying for it for the last 10 years.

So we need to keep are feet firmly on the ground and think with our heads and not let "hot air" swell our heads.

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Exactly, we need to be very careful, we shouldn't bet on installing some dead kings grandchild as the new western puppet, Afghans will never accept such puppets. The only wise thing to do now is to stay firm and not throw away all the hardwork of the past 9 years away....

[pingpong]

Pakistan-Afghanistan Agree On New Afghan Setup ?

Pakistankakhudahafiz


ISLAMABAD: A strategic shift in Pakistan’s three-decade old Afghan policy has taken a quiet but effective shape as Islamabad has successfully negotiated a peace plan with Mustafa Zahir Shah, the grandson of late King Zahir Shah, who would play a key role in future political dispensation comprising all ethnic groups. “It is a strategic coup by Pakistan against rising Indian influence in Afghanistan,” an analyst tartly remarked commenting on the development. As

Islamabad has agreed to untangle the complicated jihadist network fabricated by General Ziaul Haq in 1979, it has acquired ‘iron-clad’ guarantees from Washington and other world capitals to gain advantages not only in regional political and economic affairs but also to get peaceful nuclear technology related benefits, sources privy to the most significant development taking place in the region in more than quarter a century, claimed.


Prime Minister Gilani’s spokesperson Shabbir Anwar, when contacted, said Pakistan wanted peace in Afghanistan. “We will do whatever we can in strengthening of the political institutions in Afghanistan.”

Anwar, however, said the Foreign Office would be in a better position to comment on such a development. The foreign office spokesman could not be reached despite repeated attempts as his cell phone was switched off.

“Karzai is fast becoming a seat-warmer for Mustafa Zahir Shah,” a diplomat commented. “But the young leader will have to perform a very complicated balancing act by satisfying both sides of the ethnic divides in the world’s one of the least governable countries.”

To continue to have a political foothold in Afghanistan and counter Pakistan’s thriving liaison with Mustafa Zahir Shah and the Northern Alliance, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh went to Saudi Arabia to get help in establishing contacts with Taliban. Saudi Arabia reportedly has refused to oblige.

According to the clinched deal, Islamabad would help cobble together a consensus political dispensation in Kabul comprising all ethnic groups, help ensure its stability, dismantle the dreaded militant infrastructure and carefully comb its security apparatus to avert the rise of radicalism. On all counts, Pakistan has already started delivering and brick-by-brick demolition of Jehadi infrastructure has already set in motion. A high-level Pakistani delegation held a final round of negotiations with Mustafa Zahir Shah and Northern Alliance in Kabul a couple of weeks ago.

Islamabad’s diplomatic circles are abuzz with this new, exciting development taking shape during the last few weeks. “To convince Mustafa Zahir Shah to lead, and make the leaderships of Northern Alliance and Taliban share power among themselves is a major breakthrough successfully engineered by Pakistan to reclaim its lost position in Afghanistan,” the sources said.
In addition to winning over the confidence of Mustafa Zahir Shah, the weaning off Northern Alliance from India is the most important milestone in Pakistan’s foreign policy as ties between the two sides had been strained for Islamabad’s tilt towards Taliban. As final touches are being given to level the rough contours of this win-win policy, the diplomatic sources in Islamabad are attributing great significance to the sudden dash of Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to Kabul over the weekend.

In return for the success of this policy, the sources claimed, Washington has given guarantees to Islamabad that it would support Pakistan’s efforts to buy nuclear power plants from France for peaceful purposes, limit India’s political role in Afghanistan and Pakistan would have the right to buy oil and gas on less-than-market price from the proposed oil and gas pipelines originating from Central Asia and Afghanistan to India. The royalty that Pakistan would earn on these energy pipelines passing through its territory would be in addition to the above benefits.

DG ISPR Maj-Gen Athar Abbas, when contacted to ask if Pakistani officials were engaged in negotiating such an understanding with the help of the US and the Nato in return for political and economic benefits of the country, he said: “It is a political issue and I have no comments”.

When asked about the high level contacts between Pakistani officials and Mustafa Zahir Shah and Northern Alliance leaders, Abbas said: “Not to my knowledge.” The arrests of top Taliban commanders from Mulla Abdul Ghani Baradar two weeks ago to Abu Yehya Gadan over the weekend is a testament to Islamabad’s sincere commitment with this new approach.

In his weekend visit Gen Kayani met Afghan President Hamid Karzai to, what the sources said, discuss his role, if any, in the new setup. Almost a week prior to Kayani’s visit to Kabul, a high-level delegation comprising officials who have been handling the Afghan strategy for decades, visited Kabul and met Mustafa to finalise the future peace plan for Afghanistan. The success has been reached following a series of behind-the-scene meetings in and outside Pakistan between Pakistani officials, Mustafa Zahir Shah, Saudi and US officials, and key leaders of Northern Alliance who have earlier been sceptical of Islamabad’s intentions.

The difference this time would be that Pakistan would ensure the acceptance of this new formula both by the Northern Alliance and Taliban with Mustafa Zahir Shah leading the brood. Sources claimed that the new plan would guarantee Pakistan’s political and economic interests in the region as well as the existence of a peaceful Afghanistan after the withdrawal of the US and the Nato troops.

The sources claimed that the establishment is quite serious now in reigning in radical elements who have been creating difficulties for Pakistan in the past. “Now they will not be given a free hand anymore and the elements within the establishment supporting such ideologies and activities would be sidelined in the next round of promotions starting from next month,” source said.

[wasim80]

^ Is this grandson of Mustafa Zahir Shah Pro-Pakistan? If he leads Afghan Taliban and is anti-Pakistan, he will try to turn Afghan Taliban into anti-Pakistan also. Pakistan needs atleast one major power in Afghanistan who is Pro-Pakistan.

I think Pakistan should think of a back-up just in case these people turn against Pakistan.

[must7]

Beware of the Bhartis. They are not that truthful. On the other hand as karzai came to Pakistan, The Iranian president went to Afghanistan.

I think Iran has smell something and jumped in. And i feel Indian would try to ride on Iranians' back.

Jana : While I agree with you on the later, however, Iran is no fool either. They already know the backstabbing of India, couple this with the statement from Ahmednejad ! :

Also add this up that Rigi was caught with Pakistani NICOP card .. But still Iran is keeping this news low, although it was told but they are not accusing directly Pakistan. This I think is a major understanding on behalf of Iran to not malign us any further.

Also we have to take a fresh note out of our book and re-start our strategic friendship with our brother nation Iran and not dwell on disunity amongst us.

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/afghanistan...nistan-1.594837

Iran accuses US of playing double game in Afghanistan
Ahmadinejad said the best way to fight terrorists was not on the battlefield, but through the use of intelligence, which does not result in the death of troops or civilians.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai, right, is followed by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after giving a joint press conference at the presidential palace in Kabul Image Credit: AP Kabul: Taking aim at the US, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that it's the United States that is playing a "double game" in Afghanistan, fighting terrorists it once supported.

At a news conference in the Afghan capital, Ahmadinejad was asked to respond to US Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who earlier in the week accused Tehran of "playing a double game" by trying to have a good relationship with the Afghan government while undermining US and NATO efforts by providing some support to the Taliban.

Tehran has said it supports the Afghan government and denies allegations that it helps the Taliban. Iran calls the accusation part of a broad anti-Iranian campaign and says it makes no sense that its Shiite-led government would help the fundamentalist Sunni movement of the Taliban.

"I believe that they themselves," who are now fighting militants in Afghanistan, "are playing a double game," he said. "They themselves created terrorists and now they're saying that they are fighting terrorists."

During the 10 years the that the Soviet Union fought in Afghanistan, the US supplied rebels with supplies ranging from mules to advanced weaponry, including Stinger anti-aircraft missiles that played a crucial role in neutralizing Soviet air power. The US money spigot, however, was later turned off and the world watched Afghanistan plunge into chaos and eventually harbor Al Qaida terrorists.

Gates, who left Afghanistan shortly before Ahmadinejad spoke, called Ahmadinejad's visit to Kabul "certainly fodder for all the conspiratorialists."

"We think Afghanistan should have good relations with all its neighbors, but we want all of Afghanistan's neighbours" to deal fairly with President Hamid Karzai's government," Gates said.

Karzai said Iran was assisting Afghanistan with reconstruction projects, improving education and helping provide electricity.

"We are very hopeful that our brother nation of Iran will work with us in bringing peace and security to Afghanistan so that both our countries will be secure," Karzai said, adding that Afghanistan has a very good relationship with Tehran.

"We have mentioned several times to our brother nation, Iran, that we don't want any one to use our soil against any of our neighbors," he said.

Ahmadinejad and Karzai both spoke at the presidential palace, but it was the Iranian leader who did nearly all of the talking.

He said the best way to fight terrorists was not on the battlefield, but through the use of intelligence, which does not result in the death of troops or civilians.

He repeatedly he raised the Iranian capture of Abdulmalik Rigi, former leader of an insurgent group known as Jundallah. Iran has accused the US and Britain of supporting Jundallah in an effort to weaken the Iranian government - a charge that both nations deny.

He said the US and other nations would be better off using intelligence, not military force, to fight militants in Afghanistan.

"Iran didn't kill any innocent civilians," in the arrest of Rigi, he said, adding later that the US was trying to bring civilization to Afghanistan "by gun and bomb."

[leuitenentcolone...]

The News
Karzai says India is friend, but, Pak twin brother

ISLAMABAD: Afghan President Hamid Karzai said his country would not allow its soil to be used against Pakistan, Geo News reported Thursday.

Addressing a joint press conference here with Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani after signing the MoU, he said India has gone out of the way to help Afghanistan; but Pakistan is twin brother of Afghanistan, adding without cooperation from Pakistan, there could be no stability.

‘We are fighting against terrorism; I brought message from people of Afghanistan to the people of Pakistan,’ he said.

No country has ever showed more hospitality to Afghanistan than Pakistan, the Afghan president said adding both the countries discussed various affairs including agreements made on transit trade.

Responding a question regarding drone attacks in Pakistan, he said the issue is Pakistan-specific; accordingly, it was discussed neither in Afghanistan nor in the recent meetings in Pakistan.

However, PM Gilani said the drone attacks are counter-productive, as they force local people to join hands with terrorists against state and the Army.

Gilani said the government is trying to bring the US government round to the fact.

Karzai said, ‘We want future with no terrorism,’ adding peace is not likely to be restored in Afghanistan without the help from Pakistan.

Pakistan would be informed as and when Afghanistan receives some reports on terrorism, he stressed saying the terror wave is sweep away myriads precious lives and properties.

The PM Gilani said Pakistan has decided to enhance its cooperation with Afghanistan to eliminate the terrorism, adding bilateral ties between the two countries would be furthered.

Gilani said Pakistan will extend all possible succour to Afghanistan for its reconstruction, adding it was decided that the trade volume between the two countries would be ramped up.

‘We want to take the strategic partnership with Afghanistan forward,’ he added saying the war against terrorism will continue.

Pakistan understands Afghan plans and priorities, he observed.

Hamid Karzai said the destiny, grieves and happiness of both the countries are shared.

He said the ties between the two countries are on the path to being strengthened.

Responding a query, Karzai appreciated Indian efforts in Afghan reconstruction


I can only laugh at this statement he used to blame and insult Pakistan when US was gaining power now that Allies are loosing or trying to find reasons to leave Karzai makes Pakistan a twin brother, worry for Indians if really he doesnt (i mean US) allow India from Afghanistan for anti Pakistan activities, Indians are already on the run so Karzai finally as was supposed to eyeing Pakistan yet again for a shelter (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/PakistanFlag.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF)

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http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=228382

‘No Afghan peace without Kashmir’

The world powers have realized that peace in Afghanistan is linked to the solution of Kashmir dispute and India wanted to prevent them from interfering in the Kashmir dispute by inviting Pakistan to hold talks on all the issues, including the issue of Kashmir.

Azad Jammu and Kashmir Prime Minister Raja Muhammad Farooq Haider said this in an interview with The News here the other day. He cautioned the government of Pakistan that Indian offer for bilateral talks should be taken with a pinch of salt as the offer was aimed at warding off the world pressure and buying more time.

He said the talks in past never yielded any result, adding Pakistan should emphasize the UN resolution which called for giving Kashmiris their right to self-determination.

Raja Farooq urged the Pakistan government to re-visit the issue and make the Kashmir policy with the approval of the Parliament.

The world has realized that peace in Afghanistan is linked to the solution of Kashmir issue. Therefore, Pakistan should put pressure on the US, the NATO and other stakeholders to ask India to come up with a real solution of the problem, rather than wasting time on bilateral talks.

He said the bilateral talks over the last 62 years had not produced any outcome, adding backdoor diplomacy on Kashmir issue was not a solution to the problem.

He said Quaid-e-Azam had rightly declared Kashmir as the jugular vein of Pakistan, adding all the rivers flow into Pakistan from Kashmir. India, he added, could strangulate Pakistan by stopping its water if it continued to occupy the Kashmir valley.

He said Musharraf had badly damaged Kashmir cause during his tenure due to which the issue was not discussed properly at the global forums. In recent dialogue in Saudi Arab, Kashmir issue was ignored, courtesy to Musharrafís policy shift on Kashmir. He said India and the US were ideological partners and the US had used Pakistan only to achieve its interests. Raja Farooq said Pakistan’s Kashmir policy was based on an ad hoc basis, unlike India. He said Pakistan must make a comprehensive and proper foreign policy on Kashmir and present it on global forums. He said Indian politician were also interested in solving the Kashmir issue but their bureaucracy, army and intelligence agency were a hindrance to the settlement of the Kashmir dispute.

The AJK prime minister said the people of Pakistan had steadfastly support the Kashmir cause irrespective of the policies by different governments. He said there was no harm in improving the trade ties with India, as long as the interests of Kashmiris were not compromised. He said Kashmiris must be involved in the dialogue process with India.

Talking about the water issue, Raja Farooq said no country could survive without agriculture and water, expressing his dissatisfaction over Pakistanís way of handling the water issue with India. He said those who had sold Pakistanís water under the Indus Water Treaty could not be patriots, as the country had been facing the circumstances of the Treaty ever since it was signed. He said had Pakistan constructed Kala Bagh Dam, India could not have stopped its water.

Raja Farooq said the fact that the people of Kashmir, on both sides of the border, wanted to be part of Pakistan, made India afraid of holding plebiscite in Kashmir. He said India had deployed 8,00,000 army men, greater in number than the Pakistan army, in the occupied territory.

[must7]

Karzai says India is friend, but, Pak twin brother

How did this happen ? Wow ! This is big.

[faizan khaliq]

any set up under occupation forces will fail and after the withdrawal of forces nothing can be enforced let us hope for the best

[taaz]

Karzai says India is friend, but, Pak twin brother

How did this happen ? Wow ! This is big.

Yes thats big!


One has to be careful, could be some trap as well, hard to imagine they giving upp so easy.

[must7]

Yes thats big!


One has to be careful, could be some trap as well, hard to imagine they giving upp so easy.

Fully agreed. We have not to be party to a "langra ghora" especially after all the insult he has hurled on us, but again we should this decision to the team (ISI/PA) who brought us to this strategic position, as not only do they know better but also they have earned this right to "make up for their hard work".

[taaz]

Below an article from Times of india, The indian newspaper language is very hard compared to Pakistani who are ver carefull blaming indians.





India is not about to reduce its footprint in Afghanistan, but the home ministry says it will be issuing terror threat advisories to Indian citizens living and working in Afghanistan who are increasingly coming under attack from Pakistan-based terror groups.

Simultaneously, India, high level home ministry sources said, was stepping up security and moving more security personnel to Afghanistan to protect its facilities and people, primarily working in government projects. The foreign office, though, disagrees vehemently. Denying reports that India was scaling down its presence in Afghanistan, the MEA, in a statement, dismissed such reports as "being baseless and factually incorrect". "India's commitment to its development partnership with Afghanistan remains undiluted," it added.

Jayant Prasad, India's ambassador to Afghanistan, said, "Not a single project, not a single medical mission is being closed down." In fact, after the February 26 terror attack at guesthouses used only by Indians, senior officials were sent to interview all workers in medical missions in other parts of Afghanistan. "Everybody said they wanted to stay on," said an official. The Kabul medical mission has been temporarily shut after it was hit by Pakistani terrorists.

The threat to Indian citizens was not from Afghans but from Pakistani groups, officials said. To that extent, India was stepping up its security presence in Afghanistan to protect its facilities and its projects. At particular risk from Pakistan are Indian consulates in Jalalabad and Kandahar.

But it will be physically impossible to secure private projects that employ Indians, because many of them are overseas projects. And intelligence inputs say that Indian citizens will be targeted by Pakistani terror groups because Pakistan is making a determined push to get India out of Afghanistan.

In many ways, India is feeling the cost of keeping its presence in Afghanistan confined to its "soft power", because it gives Pakistan unbridled opportunity to hit India, put India on the defensive. And since India has not developed any offensive capacity, it is now going to constantly battle perceptions that it is running scared.

[pingpong]

Karzai tells Pakistan 'no proxy wars' in Afghanistan

ISLAMABAD: Afghan President Hamid Karzai told Pakistan on Thursday his country did not want to become a battle ground for proxy wars and welcomed an offer from Islamabad to help with peace efforts.

Karzai met Pakistani leaders on his first visit to the neighbouring country - viewed with deep suspicion by many Afghans - since winning controversial elections last year and pledging to work towards peace talks with Taliban insurgents.

The Afghan president welcomed Islamabad's offers of support for Afghanistan's efforts at reconciliation, saying Pakistan “has a significantly important role to play in that and Afghanistan would welcome that role”.

Pakistan confirmed only the arrest of Mullah Adbul Ghani Baradar, described by US officials as number two to Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar but also reported to have been in contact with Afghan government officials.

Karzai's government has called on Islamabad to extradite Baradar but some analysts suggest he could become a bargaining chip for a Pakistan determined to have a say in Afghanistan's future.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said Pakistan was “consulting legal experts” with regard to the extradition request but reiterated willingness to assist Afghan-led peace efforts.

“In the pursuit of peace and development, for national reconciliation and reintegration, Pakistan places its full weight behind the agenda and the vision outlined by the Afghan people and their elected leadership,” he said.

“We will continue to assist the people of Afghanistan in every manner possible,” he added.

Analysts have pointed to growing competition between India and Pakistan for influence in Afghanistan, which has cast a further destabilising shadow over the nearly nine-year war.

Iran and the United States have also traded accusations of double dealing over the conflict in Afghanistan.

“Afghanistan does not want any proxy wars on its territory. It does not want a proxy war between India and Pakistan on Afghanistan.

“It does not want a proxy war between Iran and the United States on Afghanistan. It does not want any country... to engage in any activity against another country in Afghanistan,” he added.

I have a question for Karzai? Why have he harboured terriorist S.h.i.t Bughti near his palace and he comes here and give us lecture about no proxy war.

I have one word for you karzai go f.u.k off

[pingpong]

i wonder why no body asked any question regarding bughti to karzai when karzai was singing his love/peace song with twin Pakistan

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[faizan khaliq]

Afghani,s will kick them we are not hitting them we will hit their main land why to engage in proxy conflict in brotherly country, only few month from now>>>>>

[saleemraja]

“We plan on adversaries’ capabilities, not intentions”, General Kayani said.

General Kayani - My hero

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India has decided to run from Afghanistan with its tail between its legs as Pakistan increasingly takes center-stage in bringing stability to war-torn Afghanistan.

“We plan on adversaries’ capabilities, not intentions”, General Kayani said.

http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/...egs/#more-10411

[must7]

Karzai tells Pakistan 'no proxy wars' in Afghanistan



I have a question for Karzai? Why have he harboured terriorist S.h.i.t Bughti near his palace and he comes here and give us lecture about no proxy war.

I have one word for you karzai go f.u.k off

Exactly Bugti, Marri & others.

[writer84]

Well guys if all this is true then it sure is music to my ears. After a longgggggggggg time I see a truly great development taking place.

Kudos and Hats off to our Armed Forces and the ISI!

ISI = Every Endians End Game!


Game Over rat worshipers! (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/SNIPER.GIF)

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