LCA Failure, India Light Combat Aircraft fails Test, Tejas Grounded, LCA project in trouble, Hal Tejas LCA test flight,
LCA Failure, India Light Combat Aircraft fails Test, Tejas Grounded, LCA project in trouble, Hal Tejas LCA test flight,
LCA Failure, India Light Combat Aircraft fails Test, Tejas Grounded, LCA project in trouble, Hal Tejas LCA test flight,
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Lca -- As Of Today
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 03:16 AM
QUOTE (blueazure @ Jan 16 2010, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it does have a HMTD btw ;-)
the PAF is looking to integrate IRIS-T ,MICA and possibly other advanced OFF BORE SIGHT AAM's ON jf 17,, and FYI, off bore sight missiles are useless without HMTD's,,
the PAF is looking to integrate IRIS-T ,MICA and possibly other advanced OFF BORE SIGHT AAM's ON jf 17,, and FYI, off bore sight missiles are useless without HMTD's,,
HMDs are almost a standard feature in most fourth generation aircraft built in the late 90s and 2000s. All I was saying was it didn't have one as yet.
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and Pakistan never babbled about the JF 17 to be 200 % indigenous,, it was never in the first place, the J stands for joint i think,, it was understood that foreign vendors wud compete in avionics , radars and weopans etc..
the Pakistani industry wud gradually increase its participation to more higher levels
the Pakistani industry wud gradually increase its participation to more higher levels
The LCA program too was never intended to be a 100% indigenous. It was intended to be similar to Sweden's Gripen, which was developed using extensive foreign support (co-developed with BAe in fact) and uses plenty of foreign subsystems - American engine and munitions of US and French origin. And Sweden unlike India has been manufacturing fighter aircraft for 70 years. Nevertheless, like the HAL Tejas, the Saab Gripen is an indigenous Swedish aircraft.
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 08:20 AM
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I'll be graduating in an year an a half with a degree in Mech. Engg. (unless I switch to the Masters program). While I'm not Tony Stark, I do have a pretty technically oriented mind.
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6,193 views in 7 days ...
Use the keywords (in your posts here) any individual would use to search for LCA, and then see the magic.
Here http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=lc...mp;aq=f&oq=
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LCA Failure, India Light Combat Aircraft fails Test, Tejas Grounded, LCA project in trouble, Hal Tejas LCA test flight,
LCA Failure, India Light Combat Aircraft fails Test, Tejas Grounded, LCA project in trouble, Hal Tejas LCA test flight,
LCA Failure, India Light Combat Aircraft fails Test, Tejas Grounded, LCA project in trouble, Hal Tejas LCA test flight,
LCA Failure, India Light Combat Aircraft fails Test, Tejas Grounded, LCA project in trouble, Hal Tejas LCA test flight,
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 08:23 AM
Naval version of Tejas stuck in limbo
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Bangalore: India’s naval version of the light combat aircraft, Tejas, is in limbo. The project, which is four years behind schedule, is now on the backburner, and Indian Navy is looking to foreign aircraft manufacturers for a new generation multi-role combat aircraft to beef up its naval aviation strength.
The development of the aircraft is getting delayed because, US’s Lockheed Martin, the lowest bidder identified by the LCA’s designer Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), has neither the approval nor the licence by the US government to carry out the “full gambit of work identified”.
The work involves developing a modified LCA to make it compatible with the Indian Navy’s requirements, for which Rs600 crore had been sanctioned.
Despite Lockheed’s problem, no efforts have been made to approach the second lowest bidder. “It's been more than a year since foreign aircraft-makers responded to the request for proposal (RFP) of DRDO's (Defence Research and Development Organisation’s) ADA for the naval variant of Tejas, but ADA has yet to take a decision on selection of one of them,” said an official.
The project is now languishing “due to delays in decisions by the authorities concerned,” he said.
The foreign companies which responded to the ADA’s RFPs include Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Saab, Dassault, Eurofighter and MiG.
DRDO sources said there were many gaps in the proposal submitted by Lockheed Martin. “Additional time (six months) was granted to them (Lockheed) for obtaining the necessary approvals (from the US government) and revising the area of work so as to cover all the aspects,” said the source.
Going slow
That period lapsed in September 2009, but the government has not approached the second lowest bidder as stated in the existing rules.
“Normally, only a period of 60- 90 days is given but in this case, initially a period of two months was granted verbally, followed up by another three months. It is not clear as to what ADA plans to do now or who is bearing the cost of this delay,” said the source.
PS Subramanyam, director, ADA, told DNA he could not provide confidential details on the bidding process but said the RFP was still under consideration.
The Indian Navy is now looking at a proven fighter aircraft rather than an experimental one like the LCA. It is seeking a new generation multi-role fighter aircraft and has floated requests for information (RFI) to global manufacturers to beef up its aircraft carriers, INS Viraat or INS Vikramaditya (formerly Gorshkov from Russia).
Currently, Indian Navy is equipped with Russian MiG-29Ks and the British vintage Sea Harriers.
Praveena Sharma / DNA
Friday, January 15, 2010 link
Bangalore: India’s naval version of the light combat aircraft, Tejas, is in limbo. The project, which is four years behind schedule, is now on the backburner, and Indian Navy is looking to foreign aircraft manufacturers for a new generation multi-role combat aircraft to beef up its naval aviation strength.
The development of the aircraft is getting delayed because, US’s Lockheed Martin, the lowest bidder identified by the LCA’s designer Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), has neither the approval nor the licence by the US government to carry out the “full gambit of work identified”.
The work involves developing a modified LCA to make it compatible with the Indian Navy’s requirements, for which Rs600 crore had been sanctioned.
Despite Lockheed’s problem, no efforts have been made to approach the second lowest bidder. “It's been more than a year since foreign aircraft-makers responded to the request for proposal (RFP) of DRDO's (Defence Research and Development Organisation’s) ADA for the naval variant of Tejas, but ADA has yet to take a decision on selection of one of them,” said an official.
The project is now languishing “due to delays in decisions by the authorities concerned,” he said.
The foreign companies which responded to the ADA’s RFPs include Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Saab, Dassault, Eurofighter and MiG.
DRDO sources said there were many gaps in the proposal submitted by Lockheed Martin. “Additional time (six months) was granted to them (Lockheed) for obtaining the necessary approvals (from the US government) and revising the area of work so as to cover all the aspects,” said the source.
Going slow
That period lapsed in September 2009, but the government has not approached the second lowest bidder as stated in the existing rules.
“Normally, only a period of 60- 90 days is given but in this case, initially a period of two months was granted verbally, followed up by another three months. It is not clear as to what ADA plans to do now or who is bearing the cost of this delay,” said the source.
PS Subramanyam, director, ADA, told DNA he could not provide confidential details on the bidding process but said the RFP was still under consideration.
The Indian Navy is now looking at a proven fighter aircraft rather than an experimental one like the LCA. It is seeking a new generation multi-role fighter aircraft and has floated requests for information (RFI) to global manufacturers to beef up its aircraft carriers, INS Viraat or INS Vikramaditya (formerly Gorshkov from Russia).
Currently, Indian Navy is equipped with Russian MiG-29Ks and the British vintage Sea Harriers.
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 08:42 AM
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Come now.... you based your analysis on youtube videos.
well ofcourse I do, what do you think of this another good maneuover by pilot? analys this good moves!!!
oh ofcourse he didnt lose control he was just rocking the wings! did he forget where the ground was?
QUOTE (lanc @ Jan 16 2010, 04:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said, maintaining a Tejas vlog isn't something the ADA is actively pursuing.
WTF????
QUOTE (lanc @ Jan 16 2010, 04:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll be graduating in an year an a half with a degree in Mech. Engg. (unless I switch to the Masters program). While I'm not Tony Stark, I do have a pretty technically oriented mind.
thats if and when you graduate, a big if and when, like the LCA ready for IOC. you will never pass with the attitude you got towards technical debating and if you do, come back and read some of my posts they'll make sense to you more and hopefully LCA will still be struggling to qualify for air worthiness.
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 08:43 AM
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Naval version of Tejas stuck in limbo
Praveena Sharma / DNA
Friday, January 15, 2010 link
Bangalore: India’s naval version of the light combat aircraft, Tejas, is in limbo. The project, which is four years behind schedule, is now on the backburner, and Indian Navy is looking to foreign aircraft manufacturers for a new generation multi-role combat aircraft to beef up its naval aviation strength.
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Naval version of Tejas stuck in limbo
Praveena Sharma / DNA
Friday, January 15, 2010 link
Bangalore: India’s naval version of the light combat aircraft, Tejas, is in limbo. The project, which is four years behind schedule, is now on the backburner, and Indian Navy is looking to foreign aircraft manufacturers for a new generation multi-role combat aircraft to beef up its naval aviation strength.
THANK YOU saint,
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LCA Failure, India Light Combat Aircraft fails Test, Tejas Grounded, LCA project in trouble, Hal Tejas LCA test flight
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6,193 views in 7 days ...
.....................and not a single bhangee was able to post a link from ADA mentioning a source by name that LCA achieved greater than 6g or higher than 20 degree AoA or if it has achieved IOC even after 28 years in development. !!
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you can never be tony stark unless he put it in youre mum!
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QUOTE (safdar @ Jan 16 2010, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well ofcourse I do, what do you think of this another good maneuover by pilot? analys this good moves!!!
oh ofcourse he didnt lose control he was just rocking the wings! did he forget where the ground was?
oh ofcourse he didnt lose control he was just rocking the wings! did he forget where the ground was?
The FCS has been tested extensively and the test pilots were extremely pleased with it.
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WTF????
Well the ADA needs the IAF's approval not that of interested netizens (including myself). So I doubt if posting videos is high up on their list of priorities.
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thats if and when you graduate, a big if and when, like the LCA ready for IOC. you will never pass with the attitude you got towards technical debating
I'm pretty sure I'll get a first class overall.
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and if you do, come back and read some of my posts they'll make sense to you more
Well I'm in the Mech. program so the aeronautical part is limited to (so far) fluid mechanics, fluid flow, thermo-fluids etc and ofcourse related subjects like mechanical systems. Its unlikely I'll ever participate in a very technical aeronautical debate. That said, most of the issues facing the Tejas don't require a very professional outlook. The gist of it is that, its somewhat under-powered and program needs to speed up the production of the LSP variants.
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QUOTE (Aliph Ahmed @ Jan 16 2010, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.....................and not a single bhangee was able to post a link from ADA mentioning a source by name that LCA achieved greater than 6g or higher than 20 degree AoA or if it has achieved IOC even after 28 years in development. !!
The indian LCA program is still a failed project, as of today, a slap in the face of PMP certification, that could not compete even with a K-8 trainer and above all its future is still uncertain, after 28 years in development
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that could not compete even with a K-8 trainer
But they keep boasting that its a 4.5 generation Jet fighter
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The FCS has been tested extensively and the test pilots were extremely pleased with it.
yeah I heard about that...back in 2007...this is 2010 still working on FCS! too many upgrades too many bugs, other countries refuse to help. avionics is one of the most complex part of fighter design.
LCA test pilots are the biggest bull shiters in HAL... observe...LCA test flight...
QUOTE (lanc @ Jan 17 2010, 06:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well the ADA needs the IAF's approval not that of interested netizens (including myself). So I doubt if posting videos is high up on their list of priorities.
no? watch the video posted..and there must be more then a dozen littered all over the internet/youtube, yet you will only find just a few on JF-17. just because HAL cant get things going they wanna play the underdog! bit late in the game..
QUOTE (lanc @ Jan 17 2010, 06:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well I'm in the Mech. program so the aeronautical part is limited to (so far) fluid mechanics, fluid flow, thermo-fluids etc and ofcourse related subjects like mechanical systems. Its unlikely I'll ever participate in a very technical aeronautical debate. That said, most of the issues facing the Tejas don't require a very professional outlook. The gist of it is that, its somewhat under-powered and program needs to speed up the production of the LSP variants.
stay an idiot and might just... like I said tejas doesn't need scientist and engineers it needs idiots, probably already has..
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Posted 17 January 2010 - 02:41 PM
QUOTE (ChadaFACE @ Jan 17 2010, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But they keep boasting that its a 4.5 generation Jet fighter
They also claim that 'their' engine is at par with Saab's (Grippen) http://hi-in.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=55...&topic=7996
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The fact remains:
LCA as of today is a piece of junk and even after 28 years in development, its performance remains so dissmissal that it has no chance against a K8 trainer if pitted against today.
LCA as of today is a piece of junk and even after 28 years in development, its performance remains so dissmissal that it has no chance against a K8 trainer if pitted against today.
You are confusing fact with personal opinions for a really long time dude.
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You are confusing fact with personal opinions for a really long time dude.
You are confusing reality with wet dreams
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LCA hasn't even reached Project completion, we can forget about induction for a long long time.
Let alone the K-8, even our retired F-86 Sabre's can bring down the LCA she is today.
Let alone the K-8, even our retired F-86 Sabre's can bring down the LCA she is today.
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Posted 19 January 2010 - 09:50 PM
QUOTE (safdar @ Jan 17 2010, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah I heard about that...back in 2007...this is 2010 still working on FCS! too many upgrades too many bugs, other countries refuse to help. avionics is one of the most complex part of fighter design.
Where did you hear they are still working on the FCS in 2010?
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LCA test pilots are the biggest bull shiters in HAL... observe...LCA test flight...
The only assertion the test pilot has made, is that the pilots are extremely satisfied with the Tejas' FCS, which is more or less what I said.
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no? watch the video posted..and there must be more then a dozen littered all over the internet/youtube, yet you will only find just a few on JF-17. just because HAL cant get things going they wanna play the underdog! bit late in the game..
Point is the number or quality or description of videos of the Tejas on the internet isn't something that the ADA actively monitors or has a vested interest in. Its the IAF and the MoD who hold all the purse strings (and thus the leverage), and neither uses the internet for information.
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stay an idiot and might just... like I said tejas doesn't need scientist and engineers it needs idiots, probably already has..
Rhetoric?
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"I will not calm down until i will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, i will put my cheek on the ground" - Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (RA)
"If you are not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary" - Malcolm X
'I am considering two promises. One is the promise of God, the other of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast...the promise of Bush is that there is no place on Earth where I can hide that he won't find me. We shall see which promise is fulfilled.'- Mullah Omar
If we are resolved to describe Islam as a system of superior values, we are obliged, first of all, to acknowledge that we are not the true representatives of Islam - Mohammad Iqbal
"If you are not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary" - Malcolm X
'I am considering two promises. One is the promise of God, the other of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast...the promise of Bush is that there is no place on Earth where I can hide that he won't find me. We shall see which promise is fulfilled.'- Mullah Omar
If we are resolved to describe Islam as a system of superior values, we are obliged, first of all, to acknowledge that we are not the true representatives of Islam - Mohammad Iqbal
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Posted 21 January 2010 - 05:53 PM
QUOTE (Aliph Ahmed @ Jan 11 2010, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
33.5 minutes of average flight time
Like a chicken hopping branches, thinks she can outfly the eagle.
Anyways, bohot ho gaya, let's get on with the Arjunk Vs Datsun Pickup.
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Lets here it straight from the horse's mouth...
Swadeshi LCA has US engine, Israeli, Swedish avionics, Italian wings ....
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NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 7: The famous Raj Kapoor number Mera joota hai Japani, yeh patloon Englishstani, sar pe lal topi Roosi, phir bhi dil hai Hindustanisums up the Light Combat Aircraft which failed to take off due to a ‘‘technical snag’’ at the Aero India 2001 show in Bangalore today.
India’s ‘indigenous’ LCA comes with an American engine, on wing panels imported from Italy and avionics, navigational aids and radars from France, Israel and Sweden.
‘‘An aircraft has three major components. An engine, airframe and avionics. The GE-F 404 engine is American, most avionics like radars, INGPS, electronic warfare equipment, radar altometre, the fly-by-wire system, ground-mapping system and other pilot-support system are all imported from Israel, France and Sweden. Even the airframe is not entirely Indian. The composite wings have been imported from Italy. What is creditable is the integration of such complex systems,’’ sources in the IAF said.
While Air Chief Marshal A Y Tipnis urged IAF not to swing from acute scepticism to euphoria after the first flight early last month, his predecessor Air Chief Marshal S K Sareen said that the indigenous components in the LCA were few. ‘‘Only 30 per cent of the airframe is Indian, the fly-by-wire control, avionics and engine are not ours,’’ he said. ‘‘So who are we fooling by saying that 70 per cent of the LCA is indigenous,’’ he asks, while crediting the scientists with effective system integration.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) claims that almost 70 per cent of the aircraft, including the tyres, tubes, brakes, part of avionics and airframe are indigenous. British Aerospace were consultants to the development of LCA.
As the defence establishment prepares to tom-tom the 18-year-long indigenous effort at Aero India 2001 which kicked off in Bangalore today, realisation dawns that the aircraft flew last month on tried and tested foreign equipment and the Indian equipment is far from being tested.
‘‘The ‘Hindustani dil’ of the LCA is its concept and the integration of diverse and complex systems. But what makes us apprehensive is that the weapons are still to be tested and real integration will be known only when the weapons fire accurately,’’ sources said.
The indigenous Kaveri engine is still to take off and IAF fears the LCA will not be able to enter squadron service before 2012. By then the technology being tested today will be on verge of becoming obslete.
The indigenous Kaveri engine is giving problems and the test flight was on the US-made GE-404 engine. Kaveri still requires tests which will take at least three years. The radar is from Erricson Ferranti (Sweden), the carbon fibre composite wings from Alenia (Italy).
‘‘This apart, 18 years after the project, there is little known about its armaments. The missiles, guns, rockets and bombs will all have to be imported. Here the government logic is that the wheel should not be reinvented. But otherwise in this project the wheel is being reinvented for a made-in-India tag,’’ sources added.
The LCA project is being managed and monitored by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) under the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). There is a consortium of several agencies working together on the LCA project.
What is truly worrying the Air Force is the fact that LCA is meant to be a replacement for the aging MiG-21 fleet. ‘‘The MiG-21s are old and are being given an extended lease of life only to accommodate the LCA. But how long can that go on? We have around 18 squadrons (approximately 300) MiG-21 counting all variants. How long will they continue to fly before even half the number of squadrons of LCA can be raised?’’ IAF sources ask.
Copyright © 2001 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.
http://www.expressindia.com/news/ie/daily/...8/ina08056.html
Swadeshi LCA has US engine, Israeli, Swedish avionics, Italian wings ....
GAURAV C SAWANT
NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 7: The famous Raj Kapoor number Mera joota hai Japani, yeh patloon Englishstani, sar pe lal topi Roosi, phir bhi dil hai Hindustanisums up the Light Combat Aircraft which failed to take off due to a ‘‘technical snag’’ at the Aero India 2001 show in Bangalore today.
India’s ‘indigenous’ LCA comes with an American engine, on wing panels imported from Italy and avionics, navigational aids and radars from France, Israel and Sweden.
‘‘An aircraft has three major components. An engine, airframe and avionics. The GE-F 404 engine is American, most avionics like radars, INGPS, electronic warfare equipment, radar altometre, the fly-by-wire system, ground-mapping system and other pilot-support system are all imported from Israel, France and Sweden. Even the airframe is not entirely Indian. The composite wings have been imported from Italy. What is creditable is the integration of such complex systems,’’ sources in the IAF said.
While Air Chief Marshal A Y Tipnis urged IAF not to swing from acute scepticism to euphoria after the first flight early last month, his predecessor Air Chief Marshal S K Sareen said that the indigenous components in the LCA were few. ‘‘Only 30 per cent of the airframe is Indian, the fly-by-wire control, avionics and engine are not ours,’’ he said. ‘‘So who are we fooling by saying that 70 per cent of the LCA is indigenous,’’ he asks, while crediting the scientists with effective system integration.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) claims that almost 70 per cent of the aircraft, including the tyres, tubes, brakes, part of avionics and airframe are indigenous. British Aerospace were consultants to the development of LCA.
As the defence establishment prepares to tom-tom the 18-year-long indigenous effort at Aero India 2001 which kicked off in Bangalore today, realisation dawns that the aircraft flew last month on tried and tested foreign equipment and the Indian equipment is far from being tested.
‘‘The ‘Hindustani dil’ of the LCA is its concept and the integration of diverse and complex systems. But what makes us apprehensive is that the weapons are still to be tested and real integration will be known only when the weapons fire accurately,’’ sources said.
The indigenous Kaveri engine is still to take off and IAF fears the LCA will not be able to enter squadron service before 2012. By then the technology being tested today will be on verge of becoming obslete.
The indigenous Kaveri engine is giving problems and the test flight was on the US-made GE-404 engine. Kaveri still requires tests which will take at least three years. The radar is from Erricson Ferranti (Sweden), the carbon fibre composite wings from Alenia (Italy).
‘‘This apart, 18 years after the project, there is little known about its armaments. The missiles, guns, rockets and bombs will all have to be imported. Here the government logic is that the wheel should not be reinvented. But otherwise in this project the wheel is being reinvented for a made-in-India tag,’’ sources added.
The LCA project is being managed and monitored by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) under the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). There is a consortium of several agencies working together on the LCA project.
What is truly worrying the Air Force is the fact that LCA is meant to be a replacement for the aging MiG-21 fleet. ‘‘The MiG-21s are old and are being given an extended lease of life only to accommodate the LCA. But how long can that go on? We have around 18 squadrons (approximately 300) MiG-21 counting all variants. How long will they continue to fly before even half the number of squadrons of LCA can be raised?’’ IAF sources ask.
Copyright © 2001 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.
http://www.expressindia.com/news/ie/daily/...8/ina08056.html
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K-8 aka the LCA slayer
honestly,for me its really difficult to believe that the K-8 can compete with the LCA
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QUOTE (ChadaFACE @ Jan 22 2010, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
honestly,for me its really difficult to believe that the K-8 can compete with the LCA
The topic clearly mentions LCA in its current form as of today. So it should not be difficult for you to believe.
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QUOTE (Aliph Ahmed @ Jan 23 2010, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The topic clearly mentions LCA in its current form as of today. So it should not be difficult for you to believe.
Well another meaning of it is really difficult to believe that the K-8 can compete with the LCA.
Well look at K-8 you have posted the pictures of it from many Air Forces, Pak_eye has posted weapons payload of K-8.
Its a flying high and above for it to compete with LCA it has to lower its standards.
So its really hard to believe K-8 can compete with LCA.
BTW I heard that If u do this
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LCA Failure, India Light Combat Aircraft fails Test, Tejas Grounded, LCA project in trouble, Hal Tejas LCA test flight,
It means something... Now thats a true Miracle of LCA.
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If we take our inspiration and guidance from the Holy Qur’an, the final victory, I once again say, will be ours… Do not be overwhelmed by the enormity of the task… You only have to develop the spirit of the Mujahids. You are a nation whose history is replete with people of wonderful character and heroism. Live up to your traditions and add to another chapter of glory. All I require of you now is that everyone… must vow to himself and be prepared to sacrifice his all… in building up Pakistan as a bulwark of Islam and as one of the greatest nations whose ideal is peace within and peace without… Islam enjoins on every Mussulman to give protection to his neighbors and to minorities regardless of caste and creed. Muhammad Ali Jinnah
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QUOTE (1Pakistani @ Jan 22 2010, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW I heard that If u do this
It means something... Now thats a true Miracle of LCA.
It means something... Now thats a true Miracle of LCA.
This is what it means :
LCA is a piece of junk....
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QUOTE (kaz89 @ Jan 19 2010, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You are confusing reality with wet dreams
Edited by Magnus, 23 January 2010 - 02:08 AM.
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Every nation has her own Mir jaffars.
and for people having fantasy ful and schizophrenic opinions probably dont know what happenned to Mir Jaffar :
He was killed by British under the pretext of if he couldnt be loyal to his own, how could he be loyal to British.
Edited later: Mir Jaffar was an Indian !!
and for people having fantasy ful and schizophrenic opinions probably dont know what happenned to Mir Jaffar :
He was killed by British under the pretext of if he couldnt be loyal to his own, how could he be loyal to British.
Edited later: Mir Jaffar was an Indian !!
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QUOTE (Mr. X @ Jan 21 2010, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Swadeshi LCA has US engine, Israeli, Swedish avionics, Italian wings ....
It has taken them more than 28 years, just trying to integrate all of them together?
Not production, just trying to put the puzzle together!
33.5 minutes of flight without any radar, what a Dodo achievement, now I'm impressed with the Mushshak.
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QUOTE (lanc @ Jan 19 2010, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only assertion the test pilot has made, is that the pilots are extremely satisfied with the Tejas
Rhetoric?
Rhetoric?
Give it a rest dude, it's almost 3 decades.
I guarantee you, that in my remaining lifetime, the LCA won't do anything more than chicken-branch-hopping.
Now brace yourself for the next challenge, we're going to discuss the Arjunk.
Do you know the specs of the vintage Datsun Pick-up?
If not, I suggest you do some reading first.
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Posted 23 January 2010 - 08:47 AM
I guess we have made our point and this thread provides comprehensive details, with facts and figures, as to where LCA stands today even after 28 years in development
Now the datsun vs Arjunk ... who is gonne open that thread?
Now the datsun vs Arjunk ... who is gonne open that thread?
"I will not calm down until i will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, i will put my cheek on the ground" - Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (RA)
"If you are not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary" - Malcolm X
'I am considering two promises. One is the promise of God, the other of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast...the promise of Bush is that there is no place on Earth where I can hide that he won't find me. We shall see which promise is fulfilled.'- Mullah Omar
If we are resolved to describe Islam as a system of superior values, we are obliged, first of all, to acknowledge that we are not the true representatives of Islam - Mohammad Iqbal
"If you are not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary" - Malcolm X
'I am considering two promises. One is the promise of God, the other of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast...the promise of Bush is that there is no place on Earth where I can hide that he won't find me. We shall see which promise is fulfilled.'- Mullah Omar
If we are resolved to describe Islam as a system of superior values, we are obliged, first of all, to acknowledge that we are not the true representatives of Islam - Mohammad Iqbal
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Posted 23 January 2010 - 09:00 AM
QUOTE (Shehz @ Jan 23 2010, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Give it a rest dude, it's almost 3 decades.
From the time it was conceptualized yes. The actual timeline isn't that different from other programs.
The development started in 1990. First flight of the prototype took place in 2001. And it will be commissioned in 2010.
Lets take the Gripen for example.
The development started in 1982. First flight of the prototype took place in 1988. Was delivered around 1999.
Not much of a time lag between the two.
Difference was while HAL/ADA was starting from scratch, Saab had been developing and building fighters for fifty years including the Saab 35 Draken and Saab 37 Viggen.
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^ Aha, so on the FB thread about LCA, that was you who thinks LCA engine is at par with Saab's Engine!
If you say so, yes, the all produced in Europe, "The Indigeniously built in India" Tejas, is nothing less than a HAL Success.
You be happy now my friend, but what is it with the Saab comparison with you people, get back to Earth.
Even we don't compare the Mushshak to Saab, you people have inferiority complex it seems.
Is the Tejas TODAY, any better than Yesterday's K-8 Trainer?
Thair ja, sabar.
Must7 has flown all the way from Bahrain to meet us, thora busy hai hum log yaha-n.
Perhaps Monday
If you say so, yes, the all produced in Europe, "The Indigeniously built in India" Tejas, is nothing less than a HAL Success.
You be happy now my friend, but what is it with the Saab comparison with you people, get back to Earth.
Even we don't compare the Mushshak to Saab, you people have inferiority complex it seems.
Is the Tejas TODAY, any better than Yesterday's K-8 Trainer?
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Now the datsun vs Arjunk ...
Thair ja, sabar.
Must7 has flown all the way from Bahrain to meet us, thora busy hai hum log yaha-n.
Perhaps Monday
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Napoleon Bonaparte: The world suffers a lot, not because of the violence of bad people, but because of the silence of good people!
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Posted 23 January 2010 - 10:31 AM
^^ not exactly,saying that HAL started from scratch is BS, HAL too had been making a/c ( mostly under license ) ,, pity, they didnt learn any lessons ;)
following is a list of a/c HAL has produced ( mostly under license ) over the decades
licensed production;-
mig 21
mig 27
jaguars
it made the HF 24 marut in the 60's with german assistance
Ajeet, based on the gnat
components for various a/c, Do 228 etc
google the complete list
following is a list of a/c HAL has produced ( mostly under license ) over the decades
licensed production;-
mig 21
mig 27
jaguars
it made the HF 24 marut in the 60's with german assistance
Ajeet, based on the gnat
components for various a/c, Do 228 etc
google the complete list
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QUOTE (blueazure @ Jan 23 2010, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
following is a list of a/c HAL has produced ( mostly under license ) over the decades
licensed production;-
mig 21
mig 27
jaguars
it made the HF 24 marut in the 60's with german assistance
Ajeet, based on the gnat
components for various a/c, Do 228 etc
licensed production;-
mig 21
mig 27
jaguars
it made the HF 24 marut in the 60's with german assistance
Ajeet, based on the gnat
components for various a/c, Do 228 etc
Indi-Genious I say.
And all of them were better than Saab.
From the British Raj Rule, Gee Saheb to Saab G, they got some affixation with that 'sound' it seems.
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