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[Martian]

During the last census (i.e. year 2000) in the United States, there were three sub-categories for East Asian Americans.  The three categories were Chinese-Americans, Korean-Americans, and Japanese-Americans.

There was an uproar over the three sub-categories for East Asian Americans.  People of Chinese, Korean, and Japanese descent were upset that they were singled out on the census.  On the other hand, other people felt excluded.  Andy Rooney, who is Caucasian, complained that it was unfair to create three special ethnic categories for Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese only; while others had to pick White, Black, Hispanic, or some other broad category.  Andy Rooney is an influential and long-time commentator on CBS's 60 Minutes program.  The government responded by saying that it would eliminate the three sub-categories in future censuses.  The government also commented that there are other ways to collect the information (on the three ethnic groups).

Taiwan is part of East Asia and Taiwanese-origin Americans can only choose from the three sub-categories.  Obviously, they selected the Chinese-Americans box.  Furthermore, if you tell an American that you were originally from Taiwan, they will say, "Oh, you're Chinese."  If you don't believe me, ask your friends in the United States.

Chinese American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Within this community, the term Chinese American is often broadly defined to include not only immigrants from mainland China, Hong Kong and Macau and their descendants but also immigrants and descendants of people from Taiwan[6]"

A prominent example of a Chinese-American is Elaine Chao.  Her picture is prominently displayed to the right in the Chinese-American article on Wikipedia.  She is the first Chinese-American Cabinet member, as Secretary of Labor, in U.S. history.  She served in the George W. Bush administration.  American TV and print media virtually-always referred to her as Chinese-American.

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"Elaine Chao is the first Chinese American, and the first Asian-American woman cabinet member in US history. She’s also the only original cabinet member still serving in the Bush administration."

Elaine Chao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The eldest of six daughters, Chao was born in Taipei, Taiwan...."

Though she is a Chinese-American, Elaine Chao was born on Taiwan.  In the American mind, there is no such thing as an ethnic Taiwanese-American.  There are only Chinese-Americans of Taiwan-origin.

Want more proof?  Let's see what a Taiwanese, YU Ming, in America thinks.

Taiwanese-Chinese,Chinese-Taiwanese - Topix

"I'm a native taiwanese as they call it, but i'm also a chinese, no problem with me being a Chinese, i'm even a DPP supporter.
we in taiwan are separated with the communist chinese politically , but we are still culturally and ethnically the same, soon we'll be economically connected."

There you have it.  The American government thinks Taiwanese are Chinese.  The American people think Taiwanese are Chinese.  American TV and newspapers think Taiwanese are Chinese.  Native Taiwanese think they are "also Chinese."  Join the consensus-bandwagon.  Repeat the mantra: "Taiwanese are Chinese."

The Taiwanese are ethnic Chinese.  They are both Han people.  Chinese and Taiwanese share the same history and they both revere Confucius, Sun Yat Sen, etc.  Chinese and Taiwanese share the same language.  They both speak and write in Mandarin.  They share the same culture (i.e. Feng shui and Qingming Festival / Ancestors Day).  Many rich Taiwanese have donated schools and/or hospitals to their ancestral towns on Mainland China.  Most Taiwanese have grandparents and/or can point to a particular village in China where their ancestors lived.

Last year, the chairman of Taiwan's ruling party KMT paid homage to his ancestors in Fujian province on China (see http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-17038788.html ).  He wasn't the only one to honor his ancestors.  A few years ago, the chairman of Taiwan's People First Party paid his respects to his ancestors in China's Hunan province.  "He will also visit the primary school where he once studied and have a brief reunion with his younger female cousin Liu Manjun in Xiangtan after being gone for more than half a century, said sources with the Hunan provincial government."  See http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200505/0...508_183916.html

The name of Taiwan's national airline is...China Airlines.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines

I want to take this opportunity to make a prediction.  You heard it here first.  The China-Taiwan Chunnel (i.e. underwater tunnel) will be built during our lifetime.

Beijing-Taipei Railway (includes Chinese Chunnel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5-lWqaC3zk

[hatesth]

Taiwan was ,is and will forever be a inseparable part of China.....so don't agress china in this topic..in nearly 100 years this poor nation suffered a lot and no matter what happen ,no Chinese can allow any part of this country be separated from this country...including Tibet.Xinjiang .and Taiwan.

[Martian]

China's Manifest Destiny

Kuomintang News Network

"Who would have anticipated that an unveiling ceremony for the erection of a segment of the Berlin Wall, which Germany presented to the Taiwan Foundation for Democracy (TFD), would have caused an embarrassment. On Monday, Legislative Speaker Wang Jin-pyng, who is also the chairman of the TFD, presided over the ceremony. After the ceremony, a journalist suddenly asked him if the segment of the Berlin Wall erected in the TFD’s yard signified that Taiwan and the Mainland would eventually be reunited.
...
Fortunately, President Ma did not attend the unveiling ceremony for the erection of the segment of the Berlin Wall in the TFD’s yard. Otherwise, he would have had to decide how to answer the journalist’s question about the meaning of the dismantling of the Berlin Wall--the collapse of communism or unification for the two Germanys?"

Two important groups of people, both current world economic powers (e.g. China is the world's largest exporter; Germany is world's second-largest), were separated after World War II.  The ethnic West and East Germans had the support of the United States in their desire to reunify, which was accomplished in 1990.  See German reunification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  The United States permitted and even encouraged reunification because a reunified Germany would strengthen NATO and the European Union.  In American eyes, a reunified Germany is good for America.

In sharp contrast, the US has steadfastly opposed the reunification of ethnic Mainland and Island Chinese.  The US passed a national law called the Taiwan Relations Act to keep the Chinese apart as long as possible.  See Taiwan Relations Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The act stipulates that the United States will "consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States".

This act also requires the United States "to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character", and "to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan." Successive U.S. administrations have sold arms to the ROC in compliance with the Taiwan Relations Act despite demands from the PRC that the U.S. following legally non-binding Three Joint Communiques and the U.S. government's proclaimed One-China policy (which differs from the PRC's One-China Policy). The Taiwan Relations Act does not require the U.S. to intervene militarily if the PRC attacks or invades Taiwan, and the U.S. has adopted a policy of "strategic ambiguity" in which the U.S. neither confirms nor denies that it would intervene in such a scenario."

The United States will do everything possible to prevent a reunified China.  A more powerful reunified China is not in the interest of the United States; which wants to remain as the world's sole superpower.  A reunified China is definitely bad for America.

As the Germans have shown, even after decades of forced separation, ethnic kinship cannot be denied; it can only be merely delayed.  For ethnic Chinese that celebrate Qinming Festival / Ancestors Day, "blood is thicker than water (i.e. family relations are more important than all other relationships...)."  See GoEnglish.com Idioms = "Blood Is Thicker Than Water" = Today's English Idioms  How much longer can US influence keep the Chinese apart is anybody's guess.  The outcome, however, is not in doubt.  The pattern of reunified Yankee and Confederate America and reunified West and East Germany is clear.  History knows that Mainland Chinese and Taiwanese compatriots are destined to live in a reunified China.

After American (e.g. 1865) and German (e.g. 1990) reunifications in the 19th and 20th centuries respectively, China is next in line for reunification in the 21st century.  This is China's Manifest Destiny.

[hillman minx]

The answer to the question posed in the topic is  No , Taiwanese are of Chinese descent but that's how close one can get.

The KMT Govt escaped there in 49 & it has stayed that way, only Chins does not see it .

[Bilal]

The answer to the question posed in the topic is  No , Taiwanese are of Chinese descent but that's how close one can get.

The KMT Govt escaped there in 49 & it has stayed that way, only Chins does not see it .

Ever heard of the one China policy? Most countries exlicitly or implicitly recognise it, but I guess you are only here to flame, don't worry soon you'll be shipped out, unless you stop trolling....

[junoon123]

Taiwanese are similar to Chinese just like South Indians are similar to Similar to Bangladeshis and Srilankans.

They are of the same descent. Only difference is that of language and sometimes religion.

I would say they are 2 different nations though.

[hillman minx]

Ever heard of the one China policy? Most countries exlicitly or implicitly recognise it, but I guess you are only here to flame, don't worry soon you'll be shipped out, unless you stop trolling....

Hello..?

I do not live amongst the ' Most' countries & in any case I do have a right to my own views.

A One China Policy is that of PRC not of that of Taiwan ......so ?

....and I am not trolling.

  

[UGUR]

yes taiwanise are chinese , tibetian same , uygur turks also chinese,mongols also chinese, in short future of course korean and japanese will be chinese , i think one day they will tell also whole turkish - arabic and Pakistani , are in fact chinese :)   ...

[truthseeker]

yes taiwanise are chinese , tibetian same , uygur turks also chinese,mongols also chinese, in short future of course korean and japanese will be chinese , i think one day they will tell also whole turkish - arabic and Pakistani , are in fact chinese :)   ...

Yes, it's the same in Turkey where some Turks think everybody is a Turk :)

Some want to take half of Iran because their Azeri "brothers" live there. Nationalism is an illness and a very dangerous one. It causes much bloodshed and suffering throughout the world..

[Admiral]

If your official name is the Republic of China, then yes, your citizens are Chinese.

[Martian]

If your official name is the Republic of China, then yes, your citizens are Chinese.

I must be a blockhead.  I can't believe I overlooked the Republic of China name.  Thank you for the insight.  I'll try to seamlessly incorporate the Republic of China angle into a future updated article.

[Martian]

Happy New Year 2010! From Chinese Taipei 101, the world's tallest inhabited skyscraper, Xin Nian Kuai Le!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rUsZMHwC4I

If you prefer wide-screen in hi-resolution, I can only offer 2009 Chinese Taipei 101.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4hEkDXGSrw

[rott]

The answer to the question posed in the topic is  No , Taiwanese are of Chinese descent but that's how close one can get.

The KMT Govt escaped there in 49 & it has stayed that way, only Chins does not see it .

Are you an empty seat? You got to be kidding me. I do pity you and people like you. I just hope you're not from the shallow side of the pool that you've made this comment. I did laugh at your stupidity.
Do you know the Taiwanese is nothing but Chinese, we speak the same language, same script, same genes, common culture, etc,.
Damn, just becuase they are in different location doesn't mean they aren't Chinese.
I disagree Srilankans and Indians are same. Srilankans have a different language altogether and different culture. Let alone Sri Lankans, in India you have have different languages and different cultures too. How does that make everyone Indians? India should probably be called a continent rather than a country.
Cheers... Hope you take an iq test... the result would come out negative. LOL...

[aamirzs]

Are you an empty seat? You got to be kidding me. I do pity you and people like you. I just hope you're not from the shallow side of the pool that you've made this comment. I did laugh at your stupidity.
Do you know the Taiwanese is nothing but Chinese, we speak the same language, same script, same genes, common culture, etc,.
Damn, just becuase they are in different location doesn't mean they aren't Chinese.
I disagree Srilankans and Indians are same. Srilankans have a different language altogether and different culture. Let alone Sri Lankans, in India you have have different languages and different cultures too. How does that make everyone Indians? India should probably be called a continent rather than a country.
Cheers... Hope you take an iq test... the result would come out negative. LOL...

+1

[Bilal]

Hello..?

I do not live amongst the ' Most' countries & in any case I do have a right to my own views.

A One China Policy is that of PRC not of that of Taiwan ......so ?

....and I am not trolling.

You better tell that to the taiwanese who have named their country and "Republic of China", they seem to disagree with you, moreover as someone pointed out, we have a view on india, its not a country and in most of history it has never been a single unified entity, so its an artificial setup:)

[hillman minx]

Are you an empty seat? You got to be kidding me. I do pity you and people like you. I just hope you're not from the shallow side of the pool that you've made this comment. I did laugh at your stupidity.
Do you know the Taiwanese is nothing but Chinese, we speak the same language, same script, same genes, common culture, etc,.
Damn, just becuase they are in different location doesn't mean they aren't Chinese.
I disagree Srilankans and Indians are same. Srilankans have a different language altogether and different culture. Let alone Sri Lankans, in India you have have different languages and different cultures too. How does that make everyone Indians? India should probably be called a continent rather than a country.
Cheers... Hope you take an iq test... the result would come out negative. LOL...

Just coz you feel differently it is no reason to be rude. I too could reply in the same tone but choose not to.

Those who laugh at others stupidity often are unable to see their own. Some day when you grow up you'll understand.

[hillman minx]

You better tell that to the taiwanese who have named their country and "Republic of China", they seem to disagree with you, moreover as someone pointed out, we have a view on india, its not a country and in most of history it has never been a single unified entity, so its an artificial setup:)

Firstly, the subject here is Taiwan  not India which despite all hope & predictions is holding on in its ' original shape ' since '47 .

Next , the reply you have referred to was in response to a post that spoke of a One China Poilcy. Taiwan like Mainland China considers itself the rightful heir to the name China - hence the name. Quite like the two Koreas & erstwhile Germanys.

[Bilal]

Firstly, the subject here is Taiwan  not India which despite all hope & predictions is holding on in its ' original shape ' since '47 .

Next , the reply you have referred to was in response to a post that spoke of a One China Poilcy. Taiwan like Mainland China considers itself the rightful heir to the name China - hence the name. Quite like the two Koreas & erstwhile Germanys.

So you agree that Taiwanese are Chinese, and like the former division between the two Germanys the division can end in this case too, cool.

[Jeremy Descrist]

That would be like saying are is an English Canadians English or is a German American German? The point is moot.

[Martian]

That would be like saying are is an English Canadians English or is a German American German? The point is moot.

I don't think that your analogies are applicable.  England is thousands of miles away from Canada.  Similarly, Germany is thousands of miles away from America.

Taiwan is 100 miles off the coast of China.  You can swim from Taiwan to China in a few hours.  A better analogy is: should we consider New Yorkers (i.e. Taiwanese) as Americans (i.e. Chinese) or should we say that New Yorkers are different from Americans?

[rott]

Just coz you feel differently it is no reason to be rude. I too could reply in the same tone but choose not to.

Those who laugh at others stupidity often are unable to see their own. Some day when you grow up you'll understand.

Okay, let's try to reason out. I am a grown up and I've grown up. Or do you mean I should grow old like in my 70's to understand if someone is stupid?

Hillman minx, I don't know what's your problem, but everytime whenever it comes to anything about China, you always have something negative to say. Unless you try to be more pragmatic in your approach, i'll be on your back.

[rott]

That would be like saying are is an English Canadians English or is a German American German? The point is moot.

If you are German in the US, you still speak german, same culture, same genes, same etc,... I don't see why not?

[OSRY]

Of course, the people of Taiwan are Chinese. It is necessary to discuss it? Taiwan has my brother, friends, loved ones, you are outsiders, you have no right to make us apart.

[Martian]

Of course, the people of Taiwan are Chinese. It is necessary to discuss it? Taiwan has my brother, friends, loved ones, you are outsiders, you have no right to make us apart.

Taiwanese are Chinese in every way except for the political separation in 1949.  The separation of Taiwan and China is a remnant of the Cold War (from 1946 to 1991).  This unresolved problem from the Cold War will have to be addressed sooner or later.

Since Taiwan is a mere 100 miles (or 160 KM) from the Chinese mainland, I predict that Chinese reunification (i.e. signing the "one country, two systems" agreement) will occur in the next twenty to thirty years.

[michael2000]

A interesting obsevation by Greg Arnot, who is now in Shandong....

Extracted from:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...Tabs%3Dcomments


Taiwan is a reservoir for Chinese culture. Not only do they still use traditional Chinese characters, each of which is a work of cultural art....they also have China's museum treasures rescued during the retreat to Taiwan.

Taiwan preserves many of the traditions and cultural aspects which are slowly being revived on the mainland. In Taiwan, "xiao jie" still means "miss", an unmarried woman. It is a sneaky way to compliment a 40 something lady to call her "xiao jie". But on the mainland, this term has taken the meaning of prostitute and any woman is insulted to be called "xiao jie".

Cruder aspects of the language....like using the term "la ji" for trash are speech habits imposed by the Communists in the north. Southerners and those on Taiwan still use the term "re shi".

Bicycle...mainland - "zi xin che"...Taiwan "jiao ta che"
Taxi...mainland - "chu zhu che"...Taiwan "ji chien che"...Hong Kong uses the transliterated "taxi' as in "de xi"...so now we see many on the mainland being cool and saying "de xi"
Pineapple...mainland (north only) "buo luo"....Taiwan and southern China..."feng li"

Mainland drinking and toasting has become more crude under the Communists. Traditionally, the toasts were "sui yi" "sip a little"; "sui bian" "as you like"; "ban bei" 'half glass" and of course "gan bei" "dry glass" or bottoms up. Until the past 10 years, the mainland had almost exclusively used "gan bei". Now, I see some of the traditional subtlety coming back.

Mainland China still lacks a good word for a married woman. Traditional China...now on Taiwan...uses the term TaiTai...but on the mainland that is such a strange word that young people will laugh as if you had started saying "Thee" and "thou". I don't think the word "Tai Tai" will come back....but that leaves the language without a graceful way to say "wife". ("fu ren" is makeshift, a poor stand in)

Take traditional Chinese children's ditties...."3 wheeled car" or "Miss Miss don't be angry" ('you can eat the banana while I eat the peel')....people on the mainland have never heard these treasures and it is an easy way to entertain them with glimpses of their own past.

Some of China's culture can never be regained. The family poems are lost forever...very few remain. Centuries ago, a father would write a poem and he would have his sons commit to naming each generation of sons using consecutive words of the family poem. The result was that a Chinese person could recite the names of his male ancestors by reciting the poem. Those poems are gone now.

Cricket fighting is making a come-back. But I think the Chinese money club (private neighborhood savings and loan associations) are only on Taiwan and maybe Hong Kong.

Chinese culture is forever changed by the cultural revolution which really started in 1949...but not all of its treasures are lost.

[Martian]

The majority (i.e. 47%) of the people of Taiwan want a summit between Ma and Hu, presidents of Taiwan and Mainland China respectively.  The poll was conducted by China Times, "one of the four biggest newspapers in Taiwan."  I believe that the majority of Taiwanese want their leader to discuss and resolve Taiwan-Mainland China issues, including eventual reunification.

http://www.taiwantoday.tw/ct.asp?xitem=566...de=414&mp=9

"Taiwan Today

Poll finds majority want Ma-Hu meeting

    * Publication Date：08/04/2009
    * Source： China Times

A summit between the leaders of both sides of the strait is favored by the majority of respondents, according to a survey conducted by local daily “China Times.”

The poll found that 47 percent support a meeting between President Ma Ying-jeou and the mainland Chinese leader Hu Jintao. Only 16 percent said there is no need for such an encounter.

Regarding the timing of a possible Ma-Hu meeting, 42 percent said it should be held between 2010 and 2012, with 30 percent indicating that this year would be the most opportune time. A resounding 72 percent believe such an encounter could take place during the president’s first term. Only 14 percent said the meeting should take place after Ma’s mandate expires May 2012.

The survey also showed that 35 percent feel Hong Kong would be the best place to carry out such a summit. Around 30 percent hoped that Hu could come to Taiwan to meet Ma while 5 percent said the encounter should be held on the mainland. A total of 20 percent think the Ma-Hu meeting must be held in a territory separate from Taiwan or the mainland.

Separately, as to the signing of the proposed cross-strait economic cooperation framework agreement, 58 percent of those polled said they are aware of the proposed trade pact.

Out of these, 37 percent said they understood its content, while 47 percent stated they were unclear about the agreement. A total of 17 percent said they have no idea about the nature of the pact.

Overall, 48 percent see the inking of the ECFA in a positive light, believing it will assist in Taiwan’s overall development. However, 24 percent fear that it might have a negative impact. Only 5 percent believe it will exert no influence.

The survey also revealed that 52 percent are in favor of inking an ECFA with the mainland. Only 25 percent said there was no need for such agreement, with 23 percent seeing the agreement as having no effect.

For those who support the ECFA, 45 percent believe the pact should be inked in this year, while 38 percent indicate that between 2010 and 2012 would be best. Only 6 percent said the ECFA should be signed after 2012.

The poll was conducted via telephone July 31. Nearly 800 citizens aged over 18 participated. (CYH-JSM)

Copyright © 2010 Government Information Office, Republic of China (Taiwan)   Tel: (886-2) 23970180 Fax: (886-2) 23568233"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Times

"The China Times (traditional Chinese: 中國時報; simplified Chinese: 中国时报; pinyin: Zhōngguó Shíbào) is a newspaper published in the Republic of China (Taiwan) in Traditional Chinese. It is one of the four biggest newspapers in Taiwan, the other three being the Liberty Times, United Daily News, and Apple Daily (Taiwan).

The free-to-air China Television (CTV) channel and the satellite channel Chung T'ien Television (Cti TV) are under the ownership of the China Times Group."

[marchpole]

China Airlines, the flag carrier in Taiwan
http://www.china-airlines.com/en/

Chungwha(China)  Telecom, Taiwan
http://www.cht.com.tw/CHTFinalE/Web/

China Motor Corporation, Taiwan
http://www.cmc-motor.com/

The China Post
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/

China Steel Corporation, Taiwan
http://www.csc.com.tw/indexe.asp

China Shipbuilding Corporation, Taiwan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSBC_Corporation,_Taiwan

China Engineering Consultants, Inc., Taiwan
http://www.ceci.org.tw/english/index.htm

ChungHwa(China) Pulp Corporation
China Oil, Taiwan
.....
the list goes on....

[macau boy]

...and the most salient fact is that the island/province of Taiwan always demanded that it be recognized as The Republic of China, which until October 1, 1949 was the legitimate ruler of both the mainland and the island under Chiang Kai-Shek's KMT. Since both sides of the Taiwan Strait claim and name themselves China, it is a scintillating evidence that there is only one China and the province of Taiwan is an integral part of China that is still under the administration of KMT.

[Sufi]

If a majority of Taiwanese do not want to become a part of China, they should not be forced, just like if a Majority of Kashmiris one day decide to not be a part of Pakistan or India, and instead want a separate country. Taiwanese People should be wooed by good gestures and will, and not be forced  to accept a historical fact that no longer is a part of their reality.

[gnak]

...and the most salient fact is that the island/province of Taiwan always demanded that it be recognized as The Republic of China, which until October 1, 1949 was the legitimate ruler of both the mainland and the island under Chiang Kai-Shek's KMT. Since both sides of the Taiwan Strait claim and name themselves China, it is a scintillating evidence that there is only one China and the province of Taiwan is an integral part of China that is still under the administration of KMT.

maybe china can have a 2 party system of government like USA and they have elections every 4 yrs lol... KMT and CCP show down but this time with paper and ballot box

[Martian]

If a majority of Taiwanese do not want to become a part of China, they should not be forced, just like if a Majority of Kashmiris one day decide to not be a part of Pakistan or India, and instead want a separate country. Taiwanese People should be wooed by good gestures and will, and not be forced  to accept a historical fact that no longer is a part of their reality.

The One China situation of Mainland China and Taiwan must be looked at in the proper historical and current world context.  As former President Jiang Zemin said to President Bill Clinton, Mainland China views Taiwan as being analogous to the American Civil War.  For fifty years after the civil war in 1949, Taiwan had always unanimously agreed that the Chinese Civil War was unfinished.  For decades, the KMT plotted to retake Mainland China by military force.

However, in the last ten years, the bad DPP party decided to push for Taiwanese independence.  You cannot just walk away from a fifty-year civil war and unilaterally declare that it is over.  Just like the American Civil War, secession is not recognized unless the whole country agrees to it.  Secession is illegal.  Similarly, Taiwan may not secede from China.  The Chinese Civil War is unfinished.

In 1971, Taiwan was ejected from the U.N., because the world only recognizes one legitimate seat at the U.N. for China.  The U.N. and the world agree with Mainland China that it is the sole representative of China and Taiwan.  Hence, the consistent pledges of adherence to the "One China" principle by every major country in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nation...Resolution_2758

"United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 of 25 October 1971 recognized the representatives of the People's Republic of China (PRC) as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and expelled the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek "from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the United Nations".[1]"

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90883/6934046.html

"U.S. reaffirms commitment to one-China policy
08:11, March 30, 2010      

The United States on Monday reaffirmed its commitment to the one-China policy, saying that it' s a commitment that should be the bedrock of the foundation of its relationship with China.

"The U.S. position on one-China policy is unchanged," Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg said at a briefing at the Foreign Press Center in downtown Washington D.C.."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/21/...in1426114.shtml

"Mar 21, 2006 ... Russia, China Pledge Closer Ties ... "Russia will continue the policy supporting 'one China' declared by the Chinese government ... and ..."

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_...n/er/111567.pdf

"Nov 30, 2009 ... The EU reaffirmed its commitment to one China policy and ... follow-up EU-China NZEC project, and the pledge by the European Commission ..."

http://nigeria2.mofcom.gov.cn/aarticle/Chi...0204389659.html

"Feb 16, 2007 ... China, Japan pledge to strengthen defense exchanges ... He noted that the Japanese government has always supported the one-China policy. ..."

http://www.twocircles.net/2008jan14/india_...ooperation.html

"Jan 14, 2008 ... India, China Pledge To Promote Nuclear Cooperation ... New Delhi declared its adherence to "one China" policy and Beijing supported India's ..."

[Martian]

The One China situation of Mainland China and Taiwan must be looked at in the proper historical and current world context.  As former President Jiang Zemin said to President Bill Clinton, Mainland China views Taiwan as being analogous to the American Civil War.  For fifty years after the civil war in 1949, Taiwan had always unanimously agreed that the Chinese Civil War was unfinished.  For decades, the KMT plotted to retake Mainland China by military force.

However, in the last ten years, the bad DPP party decided to push for Taiwanese independence.  You cannot just walk away from a fifty-year civil war and unilaterally declare that it is over.  Just like the American Civil War, secession is not recognized unless the whole country agrees to it.  Secession is illegal.  Similarly, Taiwan may not secede from China.  The Chinese Civil War is unfinished.

In 1971, Taiwan was ejected from the U.N., because the world only recognizes one legitimate seat at the U.N. for China.  The U.N. and the world agree with Mainland China that it is the sole representative of China and Taiwan.  Hence, the consistent pledges of adherence to the "One China" principle by every major country in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nation...Resolution_2758

"United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 of 25 October 1971 recognized the representatives of the People's Republic of China (PRC) as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and expelled the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek "from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the United Nations".[1]"

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90883/6934046.html

"U.S. reaffirms commitment to one-China policy
08:11, March 30, 2010      

The United States on Monday reaffirmed its commitment to the one-China policy, saying that it' s a commitment that should be the bedrock of the foundation of its relationship with China.

"The U.S. position on one-China policy is unchanged," Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg said at a briefing at the Foreign Press Center in downtown Washington D.C.."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/21/...in1426114.shtml

"Mar 21, 2006 ... Russia, China Pledge Closer Ties ... "Russia will continue the policy supporting 'one China' declared by the Chinese government ... and ..."

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_...n/er/111567.pdf

"Nov 30, 2009 ... The EU reaffirmed its commitment to one China policy and ... follow-up EU-China NZEC project, and the pledge by the European Commission ..."

http://nigeria2.mofcom.gov.cn/aarticle/Chi...0204389659.html

"Feb 16, 2007 ... China, Japan pledge to strengthen defense exchanges ... He noted that the Japanese government has always supported the one-China policy. ..."

http://www.twocircles.net/2008jan14/india_...ooperation.html

"Jan 14, 2008 ... India, China Pledge To Promote Nuclear Cooperation ... New Delhi declared its adherence to "one China" policy and Beijing supported India's ..."

Here is the bottom line.  Taiwan does not get to decide.  Mainland China speaks on behalf of all Chinese and the U.S. recognizes this truth.  Here is an important quote from the website of the U.S. Department of State.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35855.htm

"Significant migration to Taiwan from the Chinese mainland began as early as A.D. 500. ..... There are a number of small political parties, including the Taiwan .... in China, and more than 70000 Taiwan companies have operations there. .... In keeping with our one China policy, the U.S. does not support Taiwan ..."

[Sufi]

Here is the bottom line.  Taiwan does not get to decide.  Mainland China speaks on behalf of all Chinese and the U.S. recognizes this truth.  Here is an important quote from the website of the U.S. Department of State.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35855.htm

"Significant migration to Taiwan from the Chinese mainland began as early as A.D. 500. ..... There are a number of small political parties, including the Taiwan .... in China, and more than 70000 Taiwan companies have operations there. .... In keeping with our one China policy, the U.S. does not support Taiwan ..."

Point accepted and understood. There are indeed many Taiwanese who conisder themselves to be Chinese. So any potential re-unification should be a matter of bilateral diplomacy, as any conflict over Taiwan would prove detrimental for the world. Softpower, of the sort used with Hong Kong.

[Cosmos. Todd]

formally, it is Taiwan province of Republic of China, so they can be called Chinese

[behaim]

If a majority of Taiwanese do not want to become a part of China, they should not be forced, just like if a Majority of Kashmiris one day decide to not be a part of Pakistan or India, and instead want a separate country. Taiwanese People should be wooed by good gestures and will, and not be forced  to accept a historical fact that no longer is a part of their reality.

Then those Taiwanese should go find their own place to call home. They are now live in a land owned and built by Chinese. The Taiwan island is only a province of the Republic of China. It's in their Constitution. The Chinese civil war make both ROC and PRC government rule only part of former China. But neither one has announced giving up the rest of the land. So both mainland China and Taiwan are still belong to all Chinese! It's not a decision part of Taiwanese can make by themselves, you get it?

I lives in Canada, my house is built on Canada land, can I have an agreement among my family to separate my land from Canada, and call it the independent nation of Behaim? It's as simple as that!

[buckingham]

The funny thing is, westerners will only use the word Taiwanese when they are talking about politics.   In their deep hearts,  they think all the people from mainland, taiwan and Hongkong are just the same group of dirty un-educated barbarian Chinese.

[Martian]

Westerners had better get used to another description of Taiwanese.  How about the world's best mathematicians in the international PISA test and a competitive world #4 in science?  The brilliant technicians, engineers, and Ph.D. scientists at Hsinchu Science Park were smart when they were young.

As they matured, they formed the backbone of Taiwan's innovative semiconductor and electronics industry.  (See Taiwan's rank as the world's fifth-largest recipient of patents granted by the United States patent office; http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/index.php?showtopic=88842)

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/2007/12...an-students.htm

"Updated Thursday, December 6, 2007 0:00 am TWN, CNA
Taiwan students world’s best in math literacy

TAIPEI, Taiwan -- Taiwan students have been ranked as the top performers in mathematics among students from a total of 57 countries and regions surveyed worldwide, according to the results of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s (OECD’s) Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) 2006 released.

The program, administered by the OECD since 2000, is a triennial worldwide test of 15-year-olds aimed at assessing how far students near the end of compulsory education have come in acquiring the knowledge and skills essential for full participation in society. The assessments cover the students’ capabilities in reading literacy, mathematics literacy and science literacy.

This marks the first time that Taiwan has taken part in the assessment, with a total of 8,815 students in the age group from 240 schools around Taiwan being tested.

The results show that Taiwan students topped their peers from other surveyed countries in terms of their performance in mathematics. Students from Finland came in second, followed by those from Hong Kong and South Korea in third place.

In terms of science literacy, Taiwan students ranked fourth, behind only those from Finland, Hong Kong and Canada and ahead of students from Japan and South Korea, which placed fifth and 10th, respectively, according to the results.

Taiwan students’ lowest ranking was in the category of reading literacy, in which they placed 16th, behind those from other major Asian economies, including South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7126562.stm

"Dec 4, 2007 ... MATHS TOP 10. Taiwan. Finland. Hong Kong. S.Korea. Netherlands. Switzerland. Canada. Macao-China. Liechtenstein. Japan. Source: Pisa/OECD ..."

[buckingham]

well, those are not really what ordinary western people think, and this kind of news are normally hiden somewhere that you could never find unless you search for them. By the way, I think there was no mention of Taiwanese in IQ researches, or anything related to races.

[Martian]

well, those are not really what ordinary western people think, and this kind of news are normally hiden somewhere that you could never find unless you search for them. By the way, I think there was no mention of Taiwanese in IQ researches, or anything related to races.

Wikipedia has done a thorough job in removing the charts of the nationality breakdown for IQ in different countries.  I was hoping to give you an IQ number for Taiwanese.  However, from memory, ethnic Chinese were usually near the top.  Once you fix the political structure in Chinese societies and free their minds, the rest will take care of itself.  Anyway, for your information, East Asians (i.e. Chinese, Hong Kong residents, Koreans, Japanese, and Taiwanese) usually do well on IQ tests or international OECD PISA tests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_inte...side_of_the_USA

"IQ differences outside of the USA

According to Richard Lynn and others, racial differences in IQ scores are observed around the world.[24][25] A commonly-cited review by Richard Lynn lists IQ scores for East Asians (105), Europeans (99), Inuit (91), Southeast Asians and Amerindians (87 each), Pacific Islanders (85), South Asians/North Africans (84), Non-Bushmen sub-Saharan Africans (67), Australian Aborigines (62) and Bushmen (54).[26][27][25][28][24]"

[Martian]

"A Two Year IQ Research by GetIQ & Ph.D. Maslow, has found Remarkable Facts about World IQ Rank

A IQ Research by Creafire Ltd has Ranked top Ten Countries with the highest IQ score which is Hong Kong, South Korea , Japan...... The Research has been taken by over 36 Countries who participated by taking IQ Test.

Seattle, Washington (PRWEB) September 12, 2009 -- The research was done by testing over 2,000,000 people from 36 countries of four continents within one and a half year. World most ranked country with IQ level is Hong Kong with 107 points, the worst IQ rank has Barbados with 68 points out of 161.

IQ is a measure of different components of intelligence as measured on a standardized test so arranged that exactly half of the people taking it score 100 (the 50-the percentile). When the IQ test is given to many people the distribution of scores resembles a bell curve, with intellectually gifted people falling on the curve's right side and their less fortunate counterparts on the left.

Amazing, but date of birth could affect human IQ either! If you are born in the last three months of the year, your IQ could be a victim of school policies. Schools usually have a cutoff dates; if you are born after one, you have to wait a year to start kindergarten. Likewise, schools also require attendance until kids are 16 or 17. But 16-year-old dropouts born after the cutoff dates get a year less of schooling than 16-year-olds born before it. And researchers have shown that each year of schooling is good for about 3.5 IQ points. So even though kids born in the last three months of the year have the same intellectual potential, school rules can come back to bite them harder than their peers if they drop out.

Other factors that could have an impact on your IQ level is the things you put in your mouth. The study of 4,000,000 students in New York City revealed that school pupils did 14 percent better on IQ tests after preservatives, dyes, and artificial flavors were removed from their lunches. The weakest students benefited the most from healthier food.

After getIQ research, top ten most ranked countries are:

1.Hong Kong 107 points
2.South Korea 106 points
3.Japan 105 points
4.Taiwan 104 points
5.Singapore 103 points
6.Austria 102 points
7.Germany 102 points
8.Italy 102 points
9.Netherlands 102 points
10.Switzerland 101 points

Still, these results are approximate due to permanent evolution and people mix around the world. You are probably "smarter" than your grandfather. At least, as measured by IQ test. If you could turn back time 50 years and take IQ test, more than 90 percent of today's scorers would rate "genius" . Meanwhile, our grandparents' score compared to today's would tend to put them in the lowest bucket. Does this mean we are actually smarter? Not so much. Rather, we have better nutrition, more schooling, better-educated parents, and lifestyles that have been enriched by computers and toys that boost that particular kind of intelligence. In other words, we test better.

More information about the following research and IQ test can be found on GetIQ.co.uk"

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