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S.U.P.A.R.C.O, on 09 July 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

As far as I understand it, this Large Hadron Collider is some kind of an atomic test.  It'll probably lead to bigger and more powerful nuclear weapons and also much more bigger and powerful nuclear reactors.

Yes other than anti matter which is still a relatively complex science to be understood anytime soon. Proton or even neutron “spallation” in reactors to replace other more expensive means of neutron absorption by critical material to create a sustained and controlled chain reaction is possible in the near future. However to replace the normal method of shooting a sub-critical material into critical material in nuclear bombs to create an uncontrolled chain reaction by proton or neutron beam smashing I don’t think is feasible yet.

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Salaam,

Brother Safdar, would you say any kind of improvement in nuclear reactors from this technology would be more environmentally friendly, more stable, less risky from radiation leaks and meltdowns or would it be some kind of Frankenstein?

Salaam

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I would imagine so. Once the reactor core is critical there’s always going to be a danger, cant just cool it. For example what happened in Japan, doesn’t matter how advance ones reactor is, it will still blow up under similar circumstances.  And about environmentally friendly reactors, well, that is way beyond my expertise to say anything about. CERN doesn’t release a single paper unless one pays for it. Even if school children went to LHC and learned something they will have to publish it through CERN which you have to pay for. Information is not free.

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safdar, on 10 July 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

I ...  And about environmentally friendly reactors, well, that is way beyond my expertise to say anything about. CERN doesn’t release a single paper unless one pays for it. Even if school children went to LHC and learned something they will have to publish it through CERN which you have to pay for. Information is not free.

Salaam,

That's a confirmation they're definitely testing nuclear weapons.  Could be other undeclared tunnels underneath it, side of the Large Hadron Collider or parts of it where undeclared military grade tests are happening in absolute secret.

Salaam

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Yes of course, I suspected that right from the start. Because they are using proton beams to smash together instead of proton and neutron (neutron beam is easy, old televisions sets had cathode ray tubes which are neutron beam generators basically). They could have made the LHC even bigger right from the start if neutron and proton beams were used. Instead they opted for proton beams only. because hydrogen has a single proton with a positive charge all they need is a hydrogen atom with a antiproton which has a negative electrical charge. When one brings positive and negative electrical charge together you have annihilation. Now antiproton is not easy to detect or even know what it is unless one understands proton fully and then theorise a mathematical model of the antiproton which would be a complete opposite of a proton. Hydrogen bombs are powerful but anti hydrogen bomb would be even more powerful and much much more compact.

We haven’t even harnessed the power of atom yet. Most nuclear reactors use only maybe up to 10~15% enriched uranium, however in a nuclear bomb we use above 90% enriched uranium which is impossible to contain in present day nuclear reactors. So for westerners to state that antimatter technology will usher a new dawn in energy source is not true. The fact is they are looking for antimatter bombs that could be as compact as a 50 kton nuclear device but capable to wipe out an entire city.

I don’t think they would use accelerated proton beams to create a chain reaction in nuclear bomb of present day as they would in using proton beams in reactors because protons will need to travel a long distance to pick up mass and its not possible to compact that in a small design for a nuclear weapon. However hydrogen is the simplest of elements harvesting its opposite is feasible.

[Magnus]

Higgs boson: India feels snubbed that scientist Bose not getting enough credit in ‘God particle’ find


A portrait of Indian scientist Satyendranath Bose, is displayed at the Bangiya Vigyan Parishad or the Bengal Science Society founded by Bose in Kolkata, India, July 10.

NEW DELHI—While much of the world was celebrating the international co-operation that led to last week’s breakthrough in identifying the existence of the Higgs boson particle, many in India were smarting over what they saw as a slight against one of their greatest scientists.

Media covering the story gave lots of credit to British physicist Peter Higgs for theorizing the elusive subatomic “God particle,” but little was said about Satyendranath Bose, the Indian after whom the boson is named.

Despite the fact that Bose had little direct involvement in theorizing the Higgs boson itself, in India the lack of attention given to one of their own was seen as an insult too big to ignore.

“He is a forgotten hero,” the government lamented in a lengthy statement, noting that Bose was never awarded a Nobel Prize though “at least 10 scientists have been awarded the Nobel” in the same field.

READ MORE: Higgs boson: Physicists find particle ‘consistent’ with ‘God particle’

The annoyance marks yet another case in the ever-growing list of perceived global snubs Indians feel they suffer, from the U.S. airport searches of Bollywood star Shah Rukh Khan to the naming of a superbug after New Delhi, where it was found.

“Indians are touchy about this. All post-colonial societies are touchy about this,” said political psychologist Ashis Nandy of the Delhi-based think-tank Center for the Study of Developing Societies. “The sooner we get out of that, the better.”

Nandy, who interviewed Bose before his death in 1974, said the scientist himself was “least concerned about rankings and prizes.”

The boson is named in honour of the Kolkata-born scientist’s work in the 1920s with Albert Einstein in defining one of two basic classes of subatomic particles. The work describes subatomic particles that carry force and can occupy the same space if in the same state — such as in a laser beam. All particles that follow such behaviour, including the Higgs as well as photons, gravitons and others, are called bosons.

Higgs, the English physicist, and others proposed the Higgs boson’s existence in 1964 to explain what might give shape and size to all matter. Laymen and the media sometimes call it the “God particle” because its existence is key to understanding the early evolution of the universe.

By then, Bose was living in his Indian city of Kolkata after 25 years running the physics department at Dacca University, in what is now Bangladesh. Bose died aged 80 in 1974. The Nobel is not awarded posthumously.

Indian newspapers decried the fact that Bose was mostly ignored last week when scientists announced the Higgs boson breakthrough, made using a giant atom smasher at the European Organization for Nuclear Research in Switzerland.

Bose “remains unmentioned in most news stories about this discovery,” read an opinion piece in the Hindustan Times written by Yale University professor Priyamvada Natarajan, who says Western scientists often gain credit for major discoveries.

“It is harder for scientists to be recognized if they are seen as outliers and if their gender, race or work do not let them belong,” she said.

The Sunday Times of India noted other eminent Indian scientists who “never got their due,” including physicist G.N. Ramachandran who died in 2001 after making biological discoveries like collagen’s triple-helix structure and 3-D imaging used in studying the human body.

It also said living Indian scientists, Varanasi-based molecular biologist Lalji Singh and New York-based E. Premkumar Reddy, should be candidates for awards. Both men reportedly said they were not interested in lobbying for prizes.

“Many people in this country have been perplexed, and even annoyed, that the Indian half of the now-acknowledged ‘God particle’ is being carried in lower case,” The Economic Times wrote in an editorial Monday. What most don’t realize is that the naming of all bosons after Bose “actually denotes greater importance.”

http://www.thestar.c...d-particle-find

Edited by Magnus, 10 July 2012 - 02:04 PM.

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Magnus, on 10 July 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

Higgs boson: India feels snubbed that scientist Bose not getting enough credit in ‘God particle’ find

“He is a forgotten hero,” t

The whinging bhungees! After many centuries they manage to claim that the decimal point they invented was actually 0. They cant see the ambiguity in that, that most see the literal straightforward meaning of it to be that they invented zero in mathematics. Meaning nothing!

Satyendranath Bose was not credited with a noble prize just that the particle has 3 letters of his surname! Which is more than the zero they got for mathematics! Most bhungees probably accessed wikipedia to know who he was.

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the person who started this topic under the Nuclear And Strategic Missiles sub forum is really smart

i just realised scientist at cern are hunting for something known as dark matter which does have super weapon potential along the lines of atomic weapons

hence that why theres a big statue of Shiva infront of the cern headquarters building (note: Shiva is also known as "the Destroyer of worlds")



Oppenheimer "the father of the atomic bombs" famous qoute



the relation between vishnu and shiva

Prema said:

Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are the natural functioning of the universe, therefore view the relationship between Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva as the natural order of Divinity, one substance, The Supreme, The Absolute, God etc... Brahma is the principle of creation, Vishnu is the preserving or maintaining principle of the universe and Shiva is responsible for dissolution or destruction.