 Clinton Puzzled At Pakistan Failure To Find Al Qaeda |
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  Oct 29 2009, 11:40 AM
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LAHORE, Pakistan (Reuters) – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's said on Thursday it was "hard to believe" that no one in Pakistan's government knew where al Qaeda leaders were hiding, striking a new tone on a trip where Washington's credibility has come under attack.
Scores of al Qaeda leaders and their operatives, including Osama bin Laden, are believed to be in hiding in the rugged border territory that divides Pakistan and Afghanistan, but both countries routinely accuse the other of being the main sanctuary "I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn't get them if they really wanted to," she told a group of newspaper editors during a meeting in Lahore. "Maybe they are not 'get-at-able'. I don't know," she said. Clinton's pointed remark was the first public gripe on a trip aimed at turning around a U.S.-Pakistan relationship under serious strain, but bound in the struggle against religious extremism. "I am more than willing to hear every complaint about the United States," Clinton said, ""but this is a two way street. "If we are going to have a mature partnership where we work together" then "there are issues that not just the United States but others have with your government and with your military security establishment." Clinton, who has sought to use her own personal outreach to overcome rising anti-American sentiment in Pakistan, earlier repeated her conviction that the two countries' common interests far outweighed their differences. "I am well aware that there is a trust deficit," Clinton told students at a "townhall-style" meeting at Government College University in Lahore. "My message is that's not the way it should be. We cannot let a minority of people in both countries determine our relationship." Clinton's arrival in Pakistan on Wednesday was overshadowed by a car bomb blast that ripped through a market in the city of Peshawar, killing more than 100 people, in one of the largest recent attacks by Islamic militants seeking to destabilize the nuclear-armed country. Clinton urged Pakistan's youth to stand firm against the forces of religious extremism, saying it threatened everything that both Americans and Pakistanis hold dear. She carried the same message in her meetings with Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari and other high officials in Islamabad on Wednesday. Clinton was due to meet Pakistan's army and security chiefs on Thursday, where she was expected to discuss Pakistan's latest military campaign against extremists in South Waziristan as well as the U.S.-led war against Taliban religious militants in neighboring Afghanistan. PERSONAL AFFINITY U.S. officials have cast Clinton's visit to Pakistan as a chance to counter anti-American broadsides from extremist religious leaders and to showcase Clinton's personal affinity for a country she says she knows and loves deeply. On Thursday, she toured the massive red sandstone Badshahi Mosque in central Lahore, extolling the cultural achievements of a country more often in the headlines for political and religious strife. But the tense security situation in Pakistan was clear. Gunmen stood guard in the mosque minarets, while Lahore's normally busy main streets were emptied and armed police kept bystanders penned back in narrow alleyways as Clinton's motorcade sped past. While acknowledging the many bumps in U.S.-Pakistan relations, Clinton nevertheless asked for understanding, patience and commitment, saying her own experience in deciding to join the Obama administration after running against Barack Obama for the presidency was instructive. "What we have together is far greater than what divided us," Clinton told the students, referring to her relations with Obama. "And that is what I feel about the United States and Pakistan." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091029/pl_nm/us_pakistan_usa -------------------- Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock.
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Oct 29 2009, 11:51 AM
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So why the hell don't you know? You do boast of having the most advanced surveillance and tracking techniques in the world! What about the battle of Tora Bora, where you had Osama in your sights and he "slipped through". Stop making silly demands Hillary and grow up.
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Oct 29 2009, 12:16 PM
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Quote: " ... it was 'hard to believe' that no one in Pakistan's government knew where al Qaeda leaders were hiding, ... "
It is also hard for us to believe that the US Armed Forces (with a Defense Budget US $ 680 Billion this year!) + NATO Forces in addition to their world famous intelligence agencies couldn't find Al Qaeda + Taliban Leaders in Afghanistan! For the sake of comparison, our Defense Budget is about US $ 5 Billion/annum! Don't blame us for your incompetence and shortsightedness. There was no need to attack either Iraq or Afghanistan. Few dozen loonies from the Middle East caused 9/11 and 100s of thousands civilians died the most horrible death in Iraq and Afghanistan! If I live in New York City and a man mugs me on the way to work; do we then bomb the ghetto he is from or we try to arrest him? Why punish the whole nation for few Mass Murderers hiding amongst them? Did the 'Daisy Cutters' know any difference between women, children and a militant? Most problems we face today were created by USSR and USA. Accept your responsibility that you walked away after creating this mess in this area; leaving behind perhaps hundreds of thousands fully trained and armed to teeth rebels from around the world; who all of sudden lost their job! These rebels needed a job and Al Qaida + Taliban became their new masters. For example, Fazlullah in Swat could afford to pay US $ 150,000/month to a local mullah! I wonder where these ‘FM Mullahs’ get all this money from. -------------------- There is something very wrong with a country that deploys more than 50% of its Armed Forces to control an area roughly 7% of its size and inhabited by less than 1% of its population. No other country in the world utilizes such a large amount of its military resources to hold onto a land whose inhabitants don’t want to be a part of it. Sorwar
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Oct 29 2009, 01:01 PM
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Has she checked for him between her legs?
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Oct 29 2009, 01:23 PM
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I'm puzzled she couldn't find out about Bill getting "serviced" by White House staff right under her eyes.
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Oct 29 2009, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE (Tamerlane @ Oct 29 2009, 01:23 PM)  I'm puzzled she couldn't find out about Bill getting "serviced" by White House staff right under her eyes. lol woaaaa best point in the thread so far |
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Oct 29 2009, 01:32 PM
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Hillary Clinton said yesterday to Talat Hussein, that "we can either talk about the past or move on" The same can be said to her facist thinking with a hidden anti-Pakistani approach. |
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Oct 29 2009, 01:33 PM
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So she's basically come here and insulted us by saying we're all liars and deceivers.
Hmmm, what a noble way to win over a country where anti-Americanism is at an all time high. -------------------- --------- Director-General Military Operations ---------
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Oct 29 2009, 01:40 PM
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Well, there you have the true face of the devil. The illusion that these Americans are here to build a credible partnership has been shattered. I've said it before and will say it again. Pakistan needs to focus on improving relations at home instead of begging for peanuts from a country on the other side of the equator. What's even the point of trusting a snake that has bitten before? I choose to move on and not talk.
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Oct 29 2009, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE (stalwart @ Oct 29 2009, 12:40 PM) Scores of al Qaeda leaders and their operatives, including Osama bin Laden, are believed to be in hiding in the rugged border territory that divides Pakistan and Afghanistan, but both countries routinely accuse the other of being the main sanctuary What is this "believed", is this the same belief in Iraq WMD? Look either you are sure or you are not, and if Hillary is sure then please provide the intelligence and stop procrastinating, but if she is not sure then US needs to secure Afghan lawless countryside. Also if Hillary is serious about WOT and OBL then why did US vacate Nuristan? Khowst? Paktia? most of the border provinces? Why US is bombing Bajur when that whole agency has been cleared last year? Before Hillary gives lecture to Pakistan on sanctuary maybe she needs to think about Taliban that have now infiltrated Kabul and are now knocking at the doors of Green Zone. As for Pakistan, its record in clearing Mohmand, Bajur, Sawat, and now Waziristan is far better than what has been exhibited across the border. -------------------- Faza-e-Bader Paida Ker, Farishtay Teri Nusrat Ko
Utar Saktey Hain Gardoon Say, Qataar Ander Qataar Abb Bhee Eik Hoon Muslim, Haram Ki Pasbani Ke liyee Neel Ke Sahil Se Lekar Taabkhak-e-Kashgar Hazaron Saal Nargis Apni Be-Nuri Pe Roti Hai Bari Mushkil Se Hota Hai Chaman Mien Deed-a-War Paida |
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Oct 29 2009, 02:00 PM
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Well, mrs Clinton... In the white house you did not know that your husband was getting smoked by mr Lewinsky and he lied on the news several times "I did not had sex with that woman, mrs Lewinksy....". Here we surely do not know where OBL is... And people are not lying cause they are not with your side...
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Oct 29 2009, 02:08 PM
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- it is an insult that she went to Iqbal's resting place!
-she went to data darbaar she is trying to soften the people of Pakistan, such a mediawhore she is! rehman malik, the bigfoot from islamabad, accompanied her. the very person who stated: zardari kutta haye haye. http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/index.php?showtopic=85344 |
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Oct 29 2009, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE (Jazba-e-Kashmir @ Oct 29 2009, 03:08 PM) - it is an insult that she went to Iqbal's resting place! -she went to data darbaar she is trying to soften the people of Pakistan, such a mediawhore she is! rehman malik, the bigfoot from islamabad, accompanied her. the very person who stated: zardari kutta haye haye. http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/index.php?showtopic=85344 Every time I hear or see Rehman Malik for some reason Larry from Three Stooges come to mind. I dont know why that is! -------------------- Faza-e-Bader Paida Ker, Farishtay Teri Nusrat Ko
Utar Saktey Hain Gardoon Say, Qataar Ander Qataar Abb Bhee Eik Hoon Muslim, Haram Ki Pasbani Ke liyee Neel Ke Sahil Se Lekar Taabkhak-e-Kashgar Hazaron Saal Nargis Apni Be-Nuri Pe Roti Hai Bari Mushkil Se Hota Hai Chaman Mien Deed-a-War Paida |
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Oct 29 2009, 08:00 PM
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What about asking her how come Pakistan can know something which US with all its advance military and intelligence failed to know.
Guys! It is not that She or US don't know where OBL is (six feet under the surface of Earth) actually it will bring an end to the excuse about remaining in Afghanistan. -------------------- <-*-(( --- *** --- ))-*->
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Oct 29 2009, 09:01 PM
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hahaha....what a blonde--idiot! And how come US after spending nearly a trillion dollar in Afghanistan for 9 years still doesn't know where OBL is??
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Oct 30 2009, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE (Caesar @ Oct 30 2009, 06:01 AM) hahaha....what a blonde--idiot! And how come US after spending nearly a trillion dollar in Afghanistan for 9 years still doesn't know where OBL is?? Such innocence ... from Mrs. Clinton -------------------- ........ when the first drop of a Munafiq's blood drops in the Kaa'bah ........
........ the Black Flags Army shall rise from Khurasan and commence its earth rumbling march toward Damishque. Any force that tries to come in its path, shall be destroyed with ruthless destruction. Awaiting, upon reaching Damishque, the safron and beads of pearls and the Black Turban that shall lead the Salah of Fajr ......... ........ the stones and trees of Lud shall cry out to the Black Flags and tell them of the Munafiqs, Yahuds and Kuffar that are hiding behind them, to come and kill them. That day shall be the day of reckoning, the day of justice, the day when no power shall hold and unfair advantage. The battle shall be fought and won by way of faith ........ ........ it shall be done, as it is said "Kun Faya Koon" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I will not calm down until i will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, i will put my cheek on the ground" - Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (RA) "If you are not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary" - Malcolm X "Death is the road to awe" ... the ultimate truth! 'I am considering two promises. One is the promise of God, the other of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast...the promise of Bush is that there is no place on Earth where I can hide that he won't find me. We shall see which promise is fulfilled.'- Mullah Omar |
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Oct 30 2009, 01:08 AM
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QUOTE (Tamerlane @ Oct 29 2009, 10:23 PM) I'm puzzled she couldn't find out about Bill getting "serviced" by White House staff right under her eyes. And she is directing a nuclear nation in one of the world's most bizzare areas to search and find one of the world's most wanted man ... old lady, better take a leave, take ur a$$ to country side preferably without Mr. Clinton -------------------- ........ when the first drop of a Munafiq's blood drops in the Kaa'bah ........
........ the Black Flags Army shall rise from Khurasan and commence its earth rumbling march toward Damishque. Any force that tries to come in its path, shall be destroyed with ruthless destruction. Awaiting, upon reaching Damishque, the safron and beads of pearls and the Black Turban that shall lead the Salah of Fajr ......... ........ the stones and trees of Lud shall cry out to the Black Flags and tell them of the Munafiqs, Yahuds and Kuffar that are hiding behind them, to come and kill them. That day shall be the day of reckoning, the day of justice, the day when no power shall hold and unfair advantage. The battle shall be fought and won by way of faith ........ ........ it shall be done, as it is said "Kun Faya Koon" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I will not calm down until i will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, i will put my cheek on the ground" - Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (RA) "If you are not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary" - Malcolm X "Death is the road to awe" ... the ultimate truth! 'I am considering two promises. One is the promise of God, the other of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast...the promise of Bush is that there is no place on Earth where I can hide that he won't find me. We shall see which promise is fulfilled.'- Mullah Omar |
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Oct 30 2009, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE (Tamerlane @ Oct 29 2009, 01:23 PM) I'm puzzled she couldn't find out about Bill getting "serviced" by White House staff right under her eyes. Did you know that security of white house knew about it? As secret cameras and recording devices were installed at Oval Office after the assassination of JFK ? Also, I remember reading that OBL is dependent on a dialisis machine and FBI agents actually monitored the electricity consumption of certain areas at Islamabad. I am of opinion that the man is long deceased or already captured by USA and as long as his body is not found, his ghost card can play wonders. -------------------- I tick off a lot of Indians because I show them reality and facts which is something they are not accustomed to as they live a life dazed in denial. :-)
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Oct 30 2009, 05:54 PM
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maybe instead of visiting the babri mosque she should have been sent on a tour of the pak-afghan border. According to her own military: "The Pakistan-Afghanistan border region is a forbidding landscape of towering mountain ranges, narrow valleys, caves, desert plains, and rocky, barren wasteland so remote and so mountainous that it is virtually inaccessible" To solve the puzzle, she should have been left on a mountain top or inside a cave and asked to find her own way back! |
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Oct 30 2009, 09:57 PM
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how do we let this daft b1tch insult our dead troops and civilians. This is their appreciation for us fighting and sacrificing so many lives to a CIA created shitstorm. Whats really 'hard to believe' is how such a retarded individual gets to represent her joke of a government by reading pre-prepared scripts on a matter which is widely considered the sham of the century. Not that most sane people take the Al Ciaduh act seriously but by putting this jokerwomans face out there, its turned into one helluva circus.
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