Breaking News: Gunmen Open Fire Near Pakistan’s Army Hq, "intense" fighting ongoing Options

[thelastjohn]

All i wanna know is this :
The terrorist never made it to the insides of the GHQ , so how come they have shot down or blown up , a Lieutenant and a Brig. (Director Intelligence)?
I've been inside GHQ a few times , and as i remember , there's a checkpost , and the main gate is several hundred meters from the checkpost.
So what situation brought those two seniors officers in the line of fire.

Cheers,
ahsan

[Munir]

Since it is an entrance I think they ware doing the same as the terrorists. Entering the compound? I think the fact that only these two were martyred shows that they did not get far otherwise you can do a lot more damage with AK47 and handgrenades.

[shadeslayer]

I respect ur feelings bro:)

[thelastjohn]

Half of my family is in army. And i know that , a Lt. and a brig. can't just be standing on a checkpost.
Officers tou checkpost par tab bhi , bauhat kum daer kay liyay aatay thay , jab halaat normal thay.

Death of the officers is little hard for me to digest. And interestingly , media is asking ISPR again and again about the death of the two officers.
And they have'nt yet got a concrete response from them , though it's been like , 12 hours or something since thier death.
Wierd , is'nt it???

@munir. c'mon man ,, two senior officers killed is not a small deal , and tell me , could director intelligence just be found on an army's checkpost?

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

shadeslayer:

thanks - same for you mate! :)

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what is the situation for Kiyani at the moment?
what would he doing at the moment? eventhough he can't impose martial law, can't he somehow put influence on the political parties to tilt ghaddari on a democratic manner, where the sanctions can be avoided??
or has the armed forces had enough and are ready for a martial law - being able to show teeth and look deep in the american eyes???

has China stated regarding the situation??

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is it likely that us must be thinking of to tackle iran, Pakistan must be tackled first??

[joshi]

now the media is gona start a new drama on pak nukes being under threat.

[Aliph Ahmed]

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihe rajeoon.

I seriously hope the ISI is thinking " Commonwealth Games 2009 ".

[aziqbal]

these madirchod harami taliban must be killed and wiped out using chemical weapons

Pakistan army should launch another full scale all out assualt and get medieval on the taliban and cut all thier heads and make pyramid of skulls like Mongols used to do to teach them lesson they will never ever forget

[shadeslayer]

Marshal law bohat mushkil ha bhai..Kiyani retires in one year..and the leg pulling and other games might already have started in army top brass..zardari holds the key..Kiyani aspires to become JCAS..and wants a loyal buddy as COAS..US still interested in zardari..so not an ideal situation for a marshal law...not even mid term elections, since nawaz has been 'banned' by saudis till december 2010..so he wants to see a weak gov working atleast till that time when his masters finally allow him to contest elections.
BTW all this was not generated in my mind:p saw it on TV and read part about Kiyani on dawn.com

[Tamerlane]

This is a great excuse to declare Martial Law - all in the name of fighting the terrorists, of course.

If this happened in India they would have been issuing nuclear threats to Pakistan by now, same with the Americans. The traitors in Pakistan are too scared to even mention the Americans and Indians when they do this to us.

I say declare Martial Law and then destroy the terrorists and their supporters. That means taking out the TTP and other American and Indian assets in the country, including Zardari and his cronies.

[must7]

This is a great excuse to declare Martial Law - all in the name of fighting the terrorists, of course.

If this happened in India they would have been issuing nuclear threats to Pakistan by now, same with the Americans. The traitors in Pakistan are too scared to even mention the Americans and Indians when they do this to us.

I say declare Martial Law and then destroy the terrorists and their supporters. That means taking out the TTP and other American and Indian assets in the country, including Zardari and his cronies.

Have you observed one very funny pattern ! When Musharaff took the extra judicial step when the CJ was already in the hands of the West, he was defiant but than daily suicide bombing started including bombing on the ISI head quarters.

Today once again the Army is shown a spine & voila .. we have bombing on the gate of GHQ ! I will say this is warning by the US to the Pakistani army that they will take all sorts of pressure tactics to make them abide by their rules.

I hope Pakistan awam manages to see through this and is able to support the right Pakistani people of national interest.

It is very delicate time for Pakistani's .. we should stand behind our army who are the real torch bearers of Pakistan and have proved not once but too many times. The democracy lovers can kiss our bums good bye .. cause they are sell out & are readily selling their mother to the cheapest bidder.

[strategicplanner]

I think we need to go after not the people that carried out this attack but its backers and financiers, which are probably foreign powers. We need to react to this the same way that India did to an attack on its parliament.

[Munir]

Have you observed one very funny pattern ! When Musharaff took the extra judicial step when the CJ was already in the hands of the West, he was defiant but than daily suicide bombing started including bombing on the ISI head quarters.

Today once again the Army is shown a spine & voila .. we have bombing on the gate of GHQ ! I will say this is warning by the US to the Pakistani army that they will take all sorts of pressure tactics to make them abide by their rules.

I hope Pakistan awam manages to see through this and is able to support the right Pakistani people of national interest.

It is very delicate time for Pakistani's .. we should stand behind our army who are the real torch bearers of Pakistan and have proved not once but too many times. The democracy lovers can kiss our bums good bye .. cause they are sell out & are readily selling their mother to the cheapest bidder.

correct.

[Rashid1]

@thelastjohn

Where have you heard that Brig Was a Director intelligence???

[Tipu-786]

Ahhhh wwww I just woke up and listen the news .. and u know what i start laughing , WTF ITS GHQ ............. can any one walk up in GHQ so easy ..... and on the other side endia the terror nation for sure asking for a big FK in by return by funding these terrorist ..............................

[Ababeel]

Attack on GHQ message/Analysis from Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWP7BGwKl6o

[kilo19]

All kinds of theories flying with everyone on earth being blamed, except, the concern I must express living in Army City (Rawalpindi), is lapse on behalf of our Intelligence Community and Security Forces, in this area there is no resource that is not brought into use, there so no road that is not closed, there so zone that can't be declared "no-go", just to provide security to military installations in the city. The citizen is a disposable commodity in this city. So there is no hinderance in placing a coordinated security plan.

We all know there is an operation underway, we all know there will be backlash, we all know (maybe many of you in the west don't but I day as I burn more of my fuel at checkpoints than actually driving) that this city gives a look of a fortress.

Yet with all these checkposts, with all these guards, soldiers, policemen, roadblocks, security cams etc etc there has been a breach and there has been a breach at the heart of it all, the GHQ. There has been a security lapse, there has been an intelligence failure and we must accept it.

There is no excuse for GHQ not having "adequate resources", for being "unprepared", or facing "extraordinary circumstances", our security strategy needs to be revised, and the Army must show that it can handle the situation!

I'm sorry but I won't accept that "foreign involvement" tagline anymore, (RAW, MOSAD and CIA)/Taliban are hell bent on proving a point and that is why this nation has given a blank cheque and a free hand to the ISI, MI etc and they have clearly failed this time. They make the plans, they implement the security, they tell you where to go or don't. I'm sorry maybe the only option now is that all the people just empty Rawalpindi.

This has got to do with the Army, they are human too and they can go wrong, and they have but how the hell a group could remain in a city, plan an attack on none other than GHQ and not get noticed at all.

[bojangles]

All kinds of theories flying with everyone on earth being blamed, except, the concern I must express living in Army City (Rawalpindi), is lapse on behalf of our Intelligence Community and Security Forces, in this area there is no resource that is not brought into use, there so no road that is not closed, there so zone that can't be declared "no-go", just to provide security to military installations in the city. The citizen is a disposable commodity in this city. So there is no hinderance in placing a coordinated security plan.

We all know there is an operation underway, we all know there will be backlash, we all know (maybe many of you in the west don't but I day as I burn more of my fuel at checkpoints than actually driving) that this city gives a look of a fortress.

Yet with all these checkposts, with all these guards, soldiers, policemen, roadblocks, security cams etc etc there has been a breach and there has been a breach at the heart of it all, the GHQ. There has been a security lapse, there has been an intelligence failure and we must accept it.

There is no excuse for GHQ not having "adequate resources", for being "unprepared", or facing "extraordinary circumstances", our security strategy needs to be revised, and the Army must show that it can handle the situation!

I'm sorry but I won't accept that "foreign involvement" tagline anymore, (RAW, MOSAD and CIA)/Taliban are hell bent on proving a point and that is why this nation has given a blank cheque and a free hand to the ISI, MI etc and they have clearly failed this time. They make the plans, they implement the security, they tell you where to go or don't. I'm sorry maybe the only option now is that all the people just empty Rawalpindi.

This has got to do with the Army, they are human too and they can go wrong, and they have but how the hell a group could remain in a city, plan an attack on none other than GHQ and not get noticed at all.

What are you talking about? There was no intelligence failure. This attack was warned about some time back. Not the target of the attack, but the situation (militants in army uniforms attacking in either Pindi or Islamabad). And GHQ was not breached, get your facts right. The security put into place was successful. The militants attacked the first check post, half were killed or captured and the other half passed the check post. The remaining militants are held up in the library, which is still hundreds of yards from the gate of the GHQ.

[ajaj]

What are you talking about? There was no intelligence failure. This attack was warned about some time back. Not the target of the attack, but the situation (militants in army uniforms attacking in either Pindi or Islamabad). And GHQ was not breached, get your facts right. The security put into place was successful. The militants attacked the first check post, half were killed or captured and the other half passed the check post. The remaining militants are held up in the library, which is still hundreds of yards from the gate of the GHQ.

Bro no matter what, we need prevent such attacks , pre empt the attacks. Many Solders lost their lives today , its not good enough. We need to be better. We need to be better at intelligence so such attacks can be stopped beforehand and the people arrested.

[kilo19]

What are you talking about? There was no intelligence failure. This attack was warned about some time back. Not the target of the attack, but the situation (militants in army uniforms attacking in either Pindi or Islamabad). And GHQ was not breached, get your facts right. The security put into place was successful. The militants attacked the first check post, half were killed or captured and the other half passed the check post. The remaining militants are held up in the library, which is still hundreds of yards from the gate of the GHQ.

Held up in the Library? I wonder why DG ISPR is saying they have 15 hostages, and if killing a Brig. in a military compound is not considered a breach than I'm pretty sure that they didn't teach you much during your boy scout training. They are in the office area, and by all calculations they are inside and I'm hearing the firing from 5 kms out not you !!

[bojangles]

Bro no matter what, we need prevent such attacks , pre empt the attacks. Many Solders lost their lives today , its not good enough. We need to be better. We need to be better at intelligence so such attacks can be stopped beforehand and the people arrested.

I agree, but think about it this way. How many attacks are planned/attempted that we never hear about because the intelligence forces prevent them. There is always room for improvement, but you can never be 100% accurate at stopping these attacks. The best way to insure an end to the attacks is to solve the root of the problem.

[AL-khalid]

They Couldnt even get close to GHQ, unless ofcourse there is somthing happening from inside, ie: some1 with access to GHQ selling out. But there are no such reports or any sign of such happening so its out of question.

The best these idiots could do was bomb the first check post and than got smashed.....Armys response was massive.. The fact that they couldnt detonate their bomb in the car means quite alot.

Their plan was to blast their way past check post and bomb GHQ or something close to it.

They're inside the GHQ holding 15 soliders hostage. So ofcourse they got well within the GHQ. They also killed a brigadier and a lieutenant this shows how far they acutally got inside the GHQ !

Whoever they were one thing is for sure they weren't some "idiots" they knew what they were doing, they knew who they were after ... they knew thier plan of action well, they had all the info ... these same "idiots" were able to kill 6 soldiers and take another 15 hostage !

[Aliph Ahmed]

Held up in the Library? I wonder why DG ISPR is saying they have 15 hostages, and if killing a Brig. in a military compound is not considered a breach than I'm pretty sure that they didn't teach you much during your boy scout training. They are in the office area, and by all calculations they are inside and I'm hearing the firing from 5 kms out not you !!

Just wondering, Arent army men armed (pistol, revolver and etc.) at all times when in uniform? (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/read.gif)

[AL-khalid]

these madirchod harami taliban must be killed and wiped out using chemical weapons

Pakistan army should launch another full scale all out assualt and get medieval on the taliban and cut all thier heads and make pyramid of skulls like Mongols used to do to teach them lesson they will never ever forget

How do you know Taliban are after this ... if we keep on lauching opreations on Pakistani soil against our own people we'll infact be playing into the hands of US, Isreal and India ... We'll destory ourself from within while our enemies stand laughing at us.

Surely thier is more than just Taliban factor to this, Taliban are just pupets, we need to cut the hands in thoes pupets and that is US and India.


Now the question is how willing are we to stand up to that task. The fact is Pak army will never stand up and confront the US thus I don't feel angry over these attacks ... because they quite rightly deserve it ... US is destorying Pakistan and it's armed forces bit by bit and they (army) is standing watching itself get attacked.

[ali23]

Some Pictures:

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[Technocrat]

They're inside the GHQ holding 15 soliders hostage. So ofcourse they got well within the GHQ. They also killed a brigadier and a lieutenant this shows how far they acutally got inside the GHQ !

Whoever they were one thing is for sure they weren't some "idiots" they knew what they were doing, they knew who they were after ... they knew thier plan of action well, they had all the info ... these same "idiots" were able to kill 6 soldiers and take another 15 hostage !

They are not inside the compound, they are in a small office outside the 2nd security post where they issue ID cards for visitors. Hostages are mostly civilian and a few soldiers.

[bojangles]

Held up in the Library? I wonder why DG ISPR is saying they have 15 hostages, and if killing a Brig. in a military compound is not considered a breach than I'm pretty sure that they didn't teach you much during your boy scout training. They are in the office area, and by all calculations they are inside and I'm hearing the firing from 5 kms out not you !!

It's a building outside the GHQ gates, that's the point. And the Brig. was killed when he got caught in the line of fire while entering through the first security post.

[AL-khalid]

They are not inside the compound, they are in a small office outside the 2nd security post where they issue ID cards for visitors. Hostages are mostly civilian and a few soldiers.

They got inside the compound because of which they were able to kill a brigadier and a lieutenant-colonel.

And it's acutally the opposite most of the 15 hostages are army personnel and some are civilian workers.

Four of the attackers were killed and an army spokesman declared the attack over. But soon afterwards it emerged that two more who were holed up inside the heavily fortified complex were still fighting seven hours later, as helicopters with snipers on board prowled the skies of Rawalpindi hunting for attackers who may have escaped. It became clear several hours into the incident that the attackers had taken hostages, thought to include several soldiers. Senior officers including a brigadier and a lieutenant-colonel were among the dead.

Mr Abbas confirmed that two more gunmen had eluded security forces and slipped into the headquarters compound in Rawalpindi.

Mr Abbas said six troops were killed and five wounded, one critically. Those killed including a brigadier and a lieutenant colonel, according to a military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...or-attack.html#

[AL-khalid]

It's a building outside the GHQ gates, that's the point. And the Brig. was killed when he got caught in the line of fire while entering through the first security post.

And what about the lieutenant-colonel ? ...

We are talking about 2 very high ranks here.

[Technocrat]

They got inside the compound because of which they were able to kill a brigadier and a lieutenant-colonel.

And it's acutally the opposite most of the 15 hostages are army personnel and some are civilian workers.

Four of the attackers were killed and an army spokesman declared the attack over. But soon afterwards it emerged that two more who were holed up inside the heavily fortified complex were still fighting seven hours later, as helicopters with snipers on board prowled the skies of Rawalpindi hunting for attackers who may have escaped. It became clear several hours into the incident that the attackers had taken hostages, thought to include several soldiers. Senior officers including a brigadier and a lieutenant-colonel were among the dead.

Mr Abbas confirmed that two more gunmen had eluded security forces and slipped into the headquarters compound in Rawalpindi.

Mr Abbas said six troops were killed and five wounded, one critically. Those killed including a brigadier and a lieutenant colonel, according to a military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...or-attack.html#

My Dear Brother, the helicopters were flying on the perimeter not inside the GHQ, please see the footage. They did not breach the 2nd security post as the GHQ was put on red alert, meaning no one can go inside or outside without proper authentication/authorization. The death of the two army officers is an incident of "wrong place at the wrong time". This is GHQ on peak working hours, meaning officers are entering and exiting continuously.

[Magnus]

GHQ security is no where near the levels provided to top three.
1- President
2- PM
3- Army Chief

Army has done well to contain this. 111 brigade might have come handy in here being in Pindi.

[bojangles]

And what about the lieutenant-colonel ? ...

We are talking about 2 very high ranks here.

They were both killed as they were entering through the first check post.

[GreenBeret]

Bear in mind there are certain offices of GHQ outside the main GHQ office compound.

To name a few:

National Guard Directorate
FWO
NLC
Motor Transport Battalion
etc

[GreenBeret]

and yeah just remembered,the Signals communication exchange is also installed outside the main GHQ compound.So a Signals Detatchment Office is also outside the GHQ building compound.


Also,the SECURITY FORCES of GHQ are called DSG.

[AL-khalid]

Can someone post the map of GHQ RWP ? It'll make it much easier to understand the whole senario.

Plus Pak army spokesman Abbas has himself said that 2 of the gunmen were able to slip inside the HQ compound and this is coming directly from ISPR.

Now I don't know what the boundries of this "compound" can be defined as ...

[AL-khalid]

BTW ISPR has relased the pictures of the gunmen killed ... I can't access them on thier webiste it's kinda loading up real slow for some reasson ...

[GreenBeret]

seems like Corps Commander 10 Corps was due to visit GHQ today.

[Bazigaar]

sad news :( things not looking good for Pakistan :( (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/PakistanFlag.gif)

[Tipu-786]

Is all so fkn wrong ........... some one has to pay .....

[SUNNY92]

The ISPR have released pictures of two dead terrorists, both look in their early 20s and fair in complexion.

The pictures were released to the media, I doubt the offices of DG ISPR will be fully functioning.