 New J-10 Prototype Spotted In Chengdu? |
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 Dec 29 2008, 09:01 PM
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CADET  Group: Jr. Members Posts: 8 Joined: 3-March 03 Member No.: 865  |
If what states in this post is somewhat of merit, then a new member of J-10 family has arrived...
http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=56...;extra=page%3D1 For those of you don't read Chinese, the post basically says: 1. Something took off CAC runway on Dec. 26, 2008. Since Dec. 24, High ranking officers from PLA General Armament Department had waited in cold weather for this thing to take its 1st flight 2. Rumor has it: - DSI intake - IRST 'crystal ball' in front of canopy, Su-27/J-11 style - EW housing on top of vertical fin, JF-17 style - More hard points, possibly wing tip missile rails - Possibly new radar, PESA or AESA - Retained AL-31FN engine 3. Test pilot was Col. Liang WanJun. Any thoughts gentlemen? |
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Dec 30 2008, 12:05 AM
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BRIGADIER Group: Senior Members Posts: 1,455 Joined: 27-August 03 Member No.: 2,354 |
QUOTE (Avo17000 @ Dec 29 2008, 10:01 PM)  If what states in this post is somewhat of merit, then a new member of J-10 family has arrived... http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=56...;extra=page%3D1 For those of you don't read Chinese, the post basically says: 1. Something took off CAC runway on Dec. 26, 2008. Since Dec. 24, High ranking officers from PLA General Armament Department had waited in cold weather for this thing to take its 1st flight 2. Rumor has it: - DSI intake - IRST 'crystal ball' in front of canopy, Su-27/J-11 style - EW housing on top of vertical fin, JF-17 style - More hard points, possibly wing tip missile rails - Possibly new radar, PESA or AESA - Retained AL-31FN engine 3. Test pilot was Col. Liang WanJun. Any thoughts gentlemen? Possibly J-10B as predicted by Chinese internet sites. -------------------- [url=http://www.sustabazar.com]sustabazar.com[/url]
[b]Pakistan's premier Buy & Sell Portal[/b] |
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Dec 30 2008, 10:02 AM
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CAPTAIN Group: Full Members Posts: 478 Joined: 24-November 07 From: unknown Member No.: 16,527 Location: USA |
QUOTE (ABBASIA @ Dec 30 2008, 01:05 AM) Possibly J-10B as predicted by Chinese internet sites. link doesnt have any pics?? any one has any pics? |
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Dec 30 2008, 02:25 PM
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maybe it was a UFO!
-------------------- "The mosques are our barracks, the minarets our bayonets, the domes our helmets, and the believers our soldiers"
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 Dec 30 2008, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE (aziqbal @ Dec 30 2008, 03:25 PM) maybe it was a UFO! I can say, with a high degree of certainty, that it was not a UFO. |
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Dec 30 2008, 02:42 PM
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GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 9,890 Joined: 18-August 03 Member No.: 2,208 Location: Scotland |
QUOTE (macau boy @ Dec 30 2008, 03:38 PM) I can say, with a high degree of certainty, that it was not a UFO. lol -------------------- "The mosques are our barracks, the minarets our bayonets, the domes our helmets, and the believers our soldiers"
Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Davos Switzerland Deeper than the oceans higher than the mountains China-Pakistan Allied Forces brothers In Arms 'Shaheen teri parwaaz sey jalta hai zamana, Tu bazo-e-par sey issey aur hawa dey'-------JF17 Thunder |
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Dec 30 2008, 05:25 PM
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 GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 6,697 Joined: 20-December 04 From: Kaukaaf Member No.: 5,537 Location: Kaukaaf, |
QUOTE (macau boy @ Dec 30 2008, 08:38 PM) I can say, with a high degree of certainty, that it was not a UFO. incorect.. one day, on Taiwanese radars...it WILL appear as a UFO... :D:D:D (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/PakistanFlag.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/ChinaFlag.gif) -------------------- what is pakistan:
"Chino arab humara, hindustan humara, muslim hein hum, sara jahan humara" [china and arabia is ours, hindustan is ours, we are muslim, entire universe is ours] By Ilama Iqbal |
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Dec 30 2008, 06:01 PM
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-------------------- God Said "I was a hidden treasure and I loved that I be known, so I created the creation in order to be known." (Forty Hadith Qudsi)
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Dec 30 2008, 11:23 PM
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LIEUTENANT Group: Full Members Posts: 365 Joined: 2-July 06 Member No.: 9,826 Location: Toronto,Canada |
is this the specs Pakistan was waiting for?
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Dec 31 2008, 01:48 AM
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BRIGADIER Group: Senior Members Posts: 1,455 Joined: 27-August 03 Member No.: 2,354 |
I hope this is the case, by waiting for this period we can possibly jump a generation for Chinese aircraft.
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Dec 31 2008, 01:54 AM
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LIEUTENANT Group: Full Members Posts: 365 Joined: 2-July 06 Member No.: 9,826 Location: Toronto,Canada |
I'm assuming it is because isn't J-10 sopposed to be In Pakistan in a few years? Plus if a new version is making flights now, it's on it's path to meet the deadline in a few years!
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Dec 31 2008, 01:56 PM
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 MAJOR GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 2,597 Joined: 29-August 05 Member No.: 7,747 Location: Lahore |
Any picture?
-------------------- I dont know how the World War 3 will be faught, But i do know that World War 4 will be faught with sticks and stones!
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Dec 31 2008, 02:37 PM
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GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 3,991 Joined: 19-October 03 Member No.: 3,024 |
QUOTE (airomerix @ Dec 31 2008, 02:56 PM) Any picture? Not yet in the open. You may want to scale back your expectations as the exterior changes are very subtle and refined. |
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Dec 31 2008, 04:01 PM
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 GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 2,900 Joined: 22-October 02 From: Canada Member No.: 183 |
I know this is a bit off-topic, but it looks like along with the new J-10, the J-13 has also become a reality:
http://cnair.top81.cn/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm (<--- scroll down to bottom) J-13 looks to be seperate from J-XX, designed specifically for Chinese Navy, using J-11 (Su-27) as a base, but heavily modified to be able to operate from carrier, and to be stealthy. My guess is this will fly in 2011/2012. -------------------- Quote from The Washington Post - Wednesday, October 28, 2009
----- If the military offensive flushed out the Taliban, some observers said, the people of South Waziristan would work to hold their ground. For now, they are crammed into rented homes outside the battle lines, waiting with hushed, almost muted hope. "We are very weak," said Gulzada Khan, 68, a white-bearded elder in a soiled striped turban who fled to Dera Ismail Khan. "It is the worst time in my life. We were proud, respectful people. We never bowed down to anyone. Now I think we have lost that glory." ----- The baba jee's words bring tears into my eyes. This is why I believe the Army operation is now extremely necessary. |
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Jan 1 2009, 07:43 AM
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CADET Group: Full Members Posts: 64 Joined: 24-April 03 Member No.: 1,325 |
Just want to see this type of FC-20 in our inventory
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Jan 1 2009, 10:22 AM
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BRIGADIER Group: Senior Members Posts: 1,455 Joined: 27-August 03 Member No.: 2,354 |
The mid week megazine around 29th December revealed the actual number of JF-17 as 10 in PAF inventory and marked as J-10B as on Pakistan's list for purchase.
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Jan 1 2009, 12:46 PM
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CAPTAIN Group: Full Members Posts: 415 Joined: 12-September 03 Member No.: 2,738 |
Check this link, it could be related to the new J-10 coming out.
http://suopo.blog.ifeng.com/article/1376523.html http://www.translate.google.com/translate?...=auto&tl=en |
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Jan 2 2009, 12:44 AM
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BRIGADIER Group: Senior Members Posts: 1,455 Joined: 27-August 03 Member No.: 2,354 |
Great, simply great.
Chinese machine is working at awesome pace, they are turning out the technological improvements so fast that US and other countries are getting surprised. -------------------- [url=http://www.sustabazar.com]sustabazar.com[/url]
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Jan 2 2009, 12:57 AM
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 GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 16,971 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Pakistan Member No.: 3,670 Location: Canada |
QUOTE (ABBASIA @ Jan 1 2009, 12:22 PM) The mid week megazine around 29th December revealed the actual number of JF-17 as 10 in PAF inventory and marked as J-10B as on Pakistan's list for purchase. Is this a Chinese or Pakistani publication? -------------------- Formerly 'Mark Sien' & 'Diving Falcon' ...
Regards. |
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Jan 2 2009, 01:45 AM
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MAJOR GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 2,189 Joined: 22-December 04 From: shanghai, china Member No.: 5,568 |
QUOTE (Rexdale @ Dec 31 2008, 01:23 PM) is this the specs Pakistan was waiting for? Don't know. But it is the version of J10 (call it J10B or FC-20 if you please) that Pakistan will have from China. -------------------- 做 人 不 能 太 CNN
做 事 不 能 太 BBC |
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Jan 3 2009, 11:37 PM
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LIEUTENANT Group: Full Members Posts: 203 Joined: 6-February 05 From: China Member No.: 5,991 Location: China |
QUOTE (ABBASIA @ Jan 2 2009, 01:44 AM) Great, simply great. Chinese machine is working at awesome pace, they are turning out the technological improvements so fast that US and other countries are getting surprised. I think the step is too slow. J-10X isn't an important project. I only wait that the J-XX will first fly at the end of 2013. the other planes are all been ignored. five years,four years,three years,two years,one years..... |
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Jan 4 2009, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE (ertert1 @ Jan 4 2009, 12:37 AM) I think the step is too slow. J-10X isn't an important project. I only wait that the J-XX will first fly at the end of 2013. the other planes are all been ignored. five years,four years,three years,two years,one years..... 4th gen will fly in 2013? I am not that optimistic. My time frame would be 2015 first flight, 2020 trials and 2025 official service. Even then, I don't think it will be as capable as current F-22. -------------------- Classic forum quotes by members:
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Jan 4 2009, 01:07 AM
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Jan 4 2009, 07:18 AM
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GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 2,900 Joined: 22-October 02 From: Canada Member No.: 183 |
Those are CGI, nobody knows what real J-10B looks like right now. It will not have conformal fuel tanks for sure.
-------------------- Quote from The Washington Post - Wednesday, October 28, 2009
----- If the military offensive flushed out the Taliban, some observers said, the people of South Waziristan would work to hold their ground. For now, they are crammed into rented homes outside the battle lines, waiting with hushed, almost muted hope. "We are very weak," said Gulzada Khan, 68, a white-bearded elder in a soiled striped turban who fled to Dera Ismail Khan. "It is the worst time in my life. We were proud, respectful people. We never bowed down to anyone. Now I think we have lost that glory." ----- The baba jee's words bring tears into my eyes. This is why I believe the Army operation is now extremely necessary. |
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Jan 10 2009, 06:31 AM
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CADET Group: Jr. Members Posts: 57 Joined: 23-May 07 Member No.: 14,786 Location: pakistan lahore |
heard we will be getting j10s in 2009. is it correct. if yes then how much we will get and by which time?
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Jan 10 2009, 07:07 AM
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QUOTE (voldemort @ Jan 10 2009, 05:31 PM) heard we will be getting j10s in 2009. is it correct. if yes then how much we will get and by which time? Initially 36 by 2010. -------------------- You'd be surprised to see just how many bhindians troll around on Pakistani Boards. They have no class or honour; just troll around like foolish people trying to make india look like something it's not.
That shows how insecure those bhindians are about their own country and that makes me laugh! ---------------------------- Ya Allah! Peoples Party say qaum ko bacha Ya Allah! Peoples Party say jaan chora Ameen Sum Ameen |
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Feb 24 2009, 02:52 AM
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CADET Group: Jr. Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31-July 05 Member No.: 7,635 Location: Pakistan |
Salam ,
Will some one tell me, J-10 Fighter, are we partner like JF 17 with China. Technology transfer in J-10 or not? or Only we are buying it ? please comment. regards |
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Feb 24 2009, 12:40 PM
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MAJOR GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 2,597 Joined: 29-August 05 Member No.: 7,747 Location: Lahore |
We dont require technology transfer of J-10 since we are buying them in small number and it is absolutely not feaseable.
-------------------- I dont know how the World War 3 will be faught, But i do know that World War 4 will be faught with sticks and stones!
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Feb 24 2009, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (airomerix @ Feb 24 2009, 11:40 PM) We dont require technology transfer of J-10 since we are buying them in small number and it is absolutely not feaseable. upto 5 squadrons isnt a small number in any way. -------------------- Baba
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Feb 24 2009, 01:15 PM
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MAJOR GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 2,597 Joined: 29-August 05 Member No.: 7,747 Location: Lahore |
QUOTE (GreenBeret @ Feb 25 2009, 12:10 AM) upto 5 squadrons isnt a small number in any way. As for now we are only aquiring 40 fighters. Future orders maytake place but China is a trustworthy ally and i dont think we should hurry. Everything is open for us ANYTIME. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/PakistanFlag.gif) -------------------- I dont know how the World War 3 will be faught, But i do know that World War 4 will be faught with sticks and stones!
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Feb 24 2009, 04:31 PM
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 GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 3,653 Joined: 20-October 02 From: Core of Earth Member No.: 147 |
Great news. Anxiously waiting for some pics of this new prototype. I think if this is what PAF wants then we might able to see FC-20 "Operational in PAF" not before 2012. But anyhow, Where are the pics? Any Chinese member. plz
Here is Janes link about further development of J-10. http://www.janes.com/defence/air_forces/ne...60109_2_n.shtml -------------------- <-*-(( --- *** --- ))-*->
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Feb 24 2009, 04:33 PM
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(IMG:http://www.militarypictures.info/d/1148-3/lavi-refuel.jpg)
Here's a picture I found of the Lavi made by Israel, being refueled by an A-4 Skyhawk. -------------------- Ultimately, we're all dead men. Sadly, we cannot choose how but, what we can decide is how we meet that end, in order that we are remembered, as men.
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Feb 24 2009, 07:35 PM
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LIEUTENANT Group: Full Members Posts: 118 Joined: 16-June 06 Member No.: 9,630 Location: U.K. |
QUOTE (OP1 @ Jan 4 2009, 06:17 AM) 4th gen will fly in 2013? I am not that optimistic. My time frame would be 2015 first flight, 2020 trials and 2025 official service. Even then, I don't think it will be as capable as current F-22. To be honest I don't think it really matter's as long as it's the second best fighter in the world. If it's produced in huge numbers and is also cheaper than the F22 then China in my opinion will get what it wanted from the project. As all along China has wanted to match the US and if things continue as they are China will achieve it's aim. China has realised that quantity is not everything and quality is just as important if not more so. As there's really no point in going head to head with an adversary such as the US, if for every 1 plane you destroy 10 of your own are destroyed as well. So if the US had 100+ F22's then China would need 1,000+ fighters just to stay in the game, and then you've got the F16's, F18's and F35's to deal with as well. For far too long China was copying tanks and fighters which simply were not as good as the originals. As one commentator pointed out "China produces copies of the Soviet T55 MBT but without the quality control". Therefore if China can get close to the US and have a larger fighter fleet to throw into battle then China will have come a vey long way indeed. Syed |
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Feb 24 2009, 10:38 PM
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MAJOR GENERAL Group: Senior Members Posts: 2,142 Joined: 7-November 02 Member No.: 328 |
QUOTE (OP1 @ Jan 4 2009, 12:17 AM) 4th gen will fly in 2013? I am not that optimistic. My time frame would be 2015 first flight, 2020 trials and 2025 official service. Even then, I don't think it will be as capable as current F-22. You think that in 17 years the JXX that flies won't be as good as the current F22???!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) You need to put the drugs away hahahaha My good chap, the rate of progression China makes for the next 22 years will only increase. By 2018 the JXX will be at least 75% of what the F22 is right now, by 2025 definitely better |
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Feb 25 2009, 07:31 AM
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QUOTE (Archangelesk99 @ Feb 24 2009, 11:38 PM) You think that in 17 years the JXX that flies won't be as good as the current F22???!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) You need to put the drugs away hahahaha My good chap, the rate of progression China makes for the next 22 years will only increase. By 2018 the JXX will be at least 75% of what the F22 is right now, by 2025 definitely better (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF) -------------------- ****thunder****
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Feb 25 2009, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE (khanjee @ Feb 24 2009, 03:52 AM) Salam , Will some one tell me, J-10 Fighter, are we partner like JF 17 with China. Technology transfer in J-10 or not? or Only we are buying it ? please comment. regards PAF is only a stakeholder's in the J-10 project. Like you buy shares and sit quiet like a silent partner. Like fauji cereals, and other ventures PA goes into, J-10 is one of them. The profits don't go to State of Pakistan, so it's not a we as such, but our Military. -------------------- Napoleon Bonaparte: The world suffers a lot, not because of the violence of bad people, but because of the silence of good people!
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Feb 25 2009, 04:22 PM
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Just like to point out for a little self promotion that since ~ 2003 I have been saying the estimated date of J-xx flight will be 2015 with service btwn 2018-2020 and if PAF invest now, it could potentially start recieving AC ~2020-2022. However it is unlikely to be as good as F-22 in terms of capabilities. The F-22 is based on decades of solid technology and experience with stealth design. The J-XX will probably come no closer than 80-90% of its capabilities electronically until at least 2030-2035, though physically i think it has the potential to match it...but I dont think China wants it to be so robust in its design (ie equal payload and range), because it doesnt need to have the F-22, rather something to give the F-22 a run for its money.
As far as the J-10B goes...the news of a new J-10 is a great development for China and Pakistan. However the 1st sqn of J-10 in PAF will likely NOT be J-10B but rather J-10A/S. These will likely get upgraded with electronics from J-10B when that arrives in Pakistan (in probably another 3-5yrs). |
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Feb 25 2009, 10:03 PM
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CADET Group: Jr. Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31-July 05 Member No.: 7,635 Location: Pakistan |
thanks shehz :)
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