Indians Are Talking About Naval Blocade Of Karachi Port Options

[tore]

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War with India may prove disastrous for Pakistan
Thursday, December 25, 2008 20:20 IST


ISLAMABAD: With the tension between India and Pakistan increasing daily a month after the Mumbai carnage, thanks to a war of words from both sides, if a full fledged military combat between the two neighbouring countries does take place, it will bring in more problems for Pakistan according to a leading Pakistan daily.

According to an analysis in ‘The Dawn’, efforts to establish stable and sustainable civilian rule in the country will receive a set back in the case of war. Demands of separate state in the country may also gain momentum.

Similarly, Afghans could revive calls for a greater ‘Pakhtunistan.’ Such developments in Baluchistan and the Pashtun-dominated northwest would revive deep-seated Pakistani fears of the break-up of their country.

The internal security of Pakistan will also be hit badly, it says.

The Pak army will pull troops off the western border with Afghanistan, where they have been battling militants, and deploy them on the eastern border with India, which will hamper the US-led ‘war on terror’ in the region.

“Public sympathy and support for militant groups would soar as they would be seen as national defenders against the ‘real enemy’, India,” the analysis says, claiming that it would be an alarming situation for Pakistan, which is trying to build up a public opinion against the deep rooted militancy in the country.

The economy of Pakistan which is on the verge of collapse would suffer a great deal, in the eventuality of war with India.

The economy which was rescued from the brink by a 7.6 billion dollar International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan would dive back into the corner of uncertainty as the slowdown would continue. Hopes of attracting much-needed foreign investment which is required to bridge the current account deficit would also be dashed.

“In case of a war the Indian navy would try to block Pakistan’s main port at Karachi to choke off imports including fuel, though which would also disrupt supplies bound for U.S. forces in Afghanistan,” the report concluded.

[visioninthedark]

It is good to see Indians talking this .... I only REALLY hope they believe this .... TOTALLY BELIEVE THIS THEMSELVES!

Because, then when the war comes ...... we will WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH .... and they will be .... Oh so surpised!!!!

[1Pakistani]

Looks like Indians are hurt and now trying selvage what ever pride they got left... Wanabe superpower got trashed and brought down to reality.

It is good to see Indians talking this .... I only REALLY hope they believe this .... TOTALLY BELIEVE THIS THEMSELVES!

Because, then when the war comes ...... we will WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH .... and they will be .... Oh so surpised!!!!

Yarra read the first few lines they are saying this war could increase independent movements. WTF, these ppl think they are good arm chair generals when Balochi themselves told India off

[visioninthedark]

bro in my post .......... *sarcasm*

[Captain Bribes]

*Coughs*

Pakistan has over 400 Harpoon missiles, and thousands of exocets and silkworms, A naval blockage of Karachi is a wet dream.

[leuitenentcolone...]

*Coughs*

Pakistan has over 400 Harpoon missiles, and thousands of exocets and silkworms, A naval blockage of Karachi is a wet dream.

with just six launching platform which are 6 type21

[Captain Bribes]

with just six launching platform which are 6 type21

Yes and aerial platforms aswell: P-3 Orions and Atlantiques,

Not to forget our submarines

[leuitenentcolone...]

Our mirage 5 can fire exocet as well

[BaburMissile]

As if Pakistan is going to just stand by and let that happen. What a typical Indian BS. Any blockade will amount to war and we will strike. The days when the Indians imposed a naval blockade are long bygone.

[leuitenentcolone...]

Our P3C can even launch harpoon right, naval blockade dream will become nightmare for rats if pakistan start launching missile showers

[rungroot]

Man, you wanna shoot then shoot, don't talk!!!

Freakin' whiners!

[lein303]

We have a strong enough naval force to defend against india, our main weapon in such a scenario would be a ground launched anti ship missile most likely in the form of a chinese missile or a modified raad (dont take our military planners to be dumb enough not to have developed such a version). with speed boats, and p3c orions we can make life hell for the indian navy

[crazyinsane105]

Pakistan has hundreds of land, air, and sea launched anti-ship missiles that can cause quite a bit of havoc against the Indian navy if they tried to blockade Karachi. Even Hezbullah was able to show what effect a few anti-ship missiles can have against an enemy with a superior naval command.

[lein303]

Pakistan has hundreds of land, air, and sea launched anti-ship missiles that can cause quite a bit of havoc against the Indian navy if they tried to blockade Karachi. Even Hezbullah was able to show what effect a few anti-ship missiles can have against an enemy with a superior naval command.

We need to make small naval hit teams similar to what hezbollah did, utilizing these on the ground would also serve us well, hezbollah used rg's hell we have anti-tank missiles which will blow the crap out of the indians

[rungroot]

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War with India may prove disastrous for Pakistan
Thursday, December 25, 2008 20:20 IST


ISLAMABAD: With the tension between India and Pakistan increasing daily a month after the Mumbai carnage, thanks to a war of words from both sides, if a full fledged military combat between the two neighbouring countries does take place, it will bring in more problems for Pakistan according to a leading Pakistan daily.

According to an analysis in ‘The Dawn’, efforts to establish stable and sustainable civilian rule in the country will receive a set back in the case of war. Demands of separate state in the country may also gain momentum.

Similarly, Afghans could revive calls for a greater ‘Pakhtunistan.’ Such developments in Baluchistan and the Pashtun-dominated northwest would revive deep-seated Pakistani fears of the break-up of their country.

The internal security of Pakistan will also be hit badly, it says.

The Pak army will pull troops off the western border with Afghanistan, where they have been battling militants, and deploy them on the eastern border with India, which will hamper the US-led ‘war on terror’ in the region.

“Public sympathy and support for militant groups would soar as they would be seen as national defenders against the ‘real enemy’, India,” the analysis says, claiming that it would be an alarming situation for Pakistan, which is trying to build up a public opinion against the deep rooted militancy in the country.

The economy of Pakistan which is on the verge of collapse would suffer a great deal, in the eventuality of war with India.

The economy which was rescued from the brink by a 7.6 billion dollar International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan would dive back into the corner of uncertainty as the slowdown would continue. Hopes of attracting much-needed foreign investment which is required to bridge the current account deficit would also be dashed.

“In case of a war the Indian navy would try to block Pakistan’s main port at Karachi to choke off imports including fuel, though which would also disrupt supplies bound for U.S. forces in Afghanistan,” the report concluded.

Chal bay! Dhang say mootna tak nahi ata in chootion ko, blockade karain gay bhootni kay!

[must7]

We need to make small naval hit teams similar to what hezbollah did, utilizing these on the ground would also serve us well, hezbollah used rg's hell we have anti-tank missiles which will blow the crap out of the indians

What do you think the Mrtp-33 was for ? Otherwise we have the Naval wing of PAF for PN which are exorcist armed.

The subs will be a major headache for the IN who knows that PN is one of the very few navies having brought down a surface frigate by a sub (PNS Hangor vs INS Kukri) after the II world war. Not to mention a submarine has been operated in PN much earlier than IN. If the above was not enough their aircraft carier is suppose to be nursing a retrofit just recently .. so just imagine the affaris fo IN ..

They will do blockade ! What do you think PN is doing right now ! Minimum they are getting loads & loads of C-802 or even C-803 ! .. They will love to make sheesh kabab of IN assets in front of Karachi !

[penguin]

No posting images in this section of the forum.

This post has been edited by Hellraiser006: Dec 27 2008, 08:12 AM

[BaburMissile]

^^ Stop making fun of other people's mistakes and stop posting pictures for every little point you want to make. You always talk about rules and are so obsessed with them. Well, how about posting images in a [No Image Posting] section?

[Daredevil]

^^ Stop making fun of other people's mistakes and stop posting pictures for every little point you want to make. You always talk about rules and are so obsessed with them. Well, how about posting images in a [No Image Posting] section?

What do you expect from an Indian ? (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF)

[leuitenentcolone...]

Man, you wanna shoot then shoot, don't talk!!!

Freakin' whiners!

You gotta problem dont u. Keep it to yourself

[Munir]

Blockade with what? Rusty IN? If surgical strike is seen as declaration of war... Blockade would be seen as the same. Indian press have wetdreams but we all know they can hardly do anything besides making noise. If they start doing something then it is a big Pakistani foot up their a.

[aziqbal]

to be honest i am quite worried about the pakistan navy, exocet armed mirage has limited range

we only have 3 submarines man! pakistan should have continued to build submarines we should have made atleast 6 or 7 because our submarines are the greatest threat to indian navy

if indian navy knows our subs are out there they will never come near our coast they are slient hunters are are carrier battle groups worst nightmare

[ZPak]

I believe our mirages can also launch Baburs and Raad's but I'm guessing they'll save those for bigger targets like their carriers.

[macau boy]

I believe our mirages can also launch Baburs and Raad's but I'm guessing they'll save those for bigger targets like their carriers.

Don't worry. There won't be any blockade, period.

[maverick1977]

Don't worry. There won't be any blockade, period.

also its worth mentioning that PN didnt have any missils in their arsenal during 71 war. india had few gun boats with silkworm which were towed towards karachi and these missile boats wrecked havoc on PN surface ships, killing 500+ Navy personnel in 2 frigates and a destroyer and countless cargo ships once our navy pulled into harbor and subs went out for hunting.

Rest of indian assessts were in east pakistan including their carrier which killed thousands of PN personal on gun boats and small ships.

Things are different now. india knows it and they should stop having wet dreams

[Gripen87]

aziqbal no need to worry bro, things seem bad but PN will manage.

Karachi port blockage is not possible

IN needs to have 3:1 ratio as far as its submarines and surface ships are concernced for complete dominance against PN, this includes air cover. It will keep more than 1/3 of its navy to defend the huge Indian coast line so that alone makes it impossible for IN to block Karachi port. We must remember that Pakistan's coast line is very small compared to India's and so we do not require a massive navy.

India can make simple attacks and for that it just needs to have 2:1 ratio against the PN. But this just means that there would be a naval battle fought not a blockage of Karachi port. With PN possessing 2 Agosta 90Bs, P3C Orions(Can fight both Surface ships and submarines), Mirage w/Exocest, Harpoon missles(Just mentioning the most effective weapons IMHO) they will do just fine. Oh yeah and lets not forget Babur.

Not to mention, in case Karachi does get blocked which it wont Pakistan still has some what of a trump card. This would be Gwadar port which just recently finished and is fully operational. All important imports can be diverted towards it.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Salaam

This is how the Nazis procedured when the merchand-ships were attacked from German submarines in the Atlantic ocean.

[Kanjar Jatt from...]

Oh yeah and lets not forget Babur.

Not to mention, in case Karachi does get blocked which it wont Pakistan still has some what of a trump card. This would be Gwadar port which just recently finished and is fully operational. All important imports can be diverted towards it.

Does Babur have an anti-ship variant?
Gwadar will only be an effective alternate if Makran coastal highway does not get bombed, and would need a larger airfield for cargo aircrafts.

[ali23]

If babur can be launched from a truck then can we station a truck on Type-21's(frigate) helipad instead of the chopper?

[Danish Moazzam]

If babur can be launched from a truck then can we station a truck on Type-21's(frigate) helipad instead of the chopper?

You mean that TEL we displayed in IDEAS well have to say a terrific strap on for INDIA

nice idea though can be worked on

[1Pakistani]

Does Babur have an anti-ship variant?
Gwadar will only be an effective alternate if Makran coastal highway does not get bombed, and would need a larger airfield for cargo aircrafts.

Well there was this news that Pakistan has shifted 7 Mirage to Karachi Air Port armed with Latest Cruise Missiles. Now Mirage are used by PN as well.

I think this might be that these planes are armed with the navel version of cruise missile which can target ships ie moving target. WHere are current Babur and Raad can only target a fix location or object.

If babur can be launched from a truck then can we station a truck on Type-21's(frigate) helipad instead of the chopper?

Babur can be fired from PN ships, i thin some of them are modified for this role. But Babur is not anti-ship weapon unless the ship is stationary in a dock.

[ali23]

Babur can be fired from PN ships, i thin some of them are modified for this role. But Babur is not anti-ship weapon unless the ship is stationary in a dock.

I am talking about firing on fixed sites like naval bases in mumbai e.t.c.

[PakHonour]

We have Gwadar which is fully functional according to most sources. Check out the economy section in a few mins, I will post some updates.

Here: http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/index.php?showtopic=79683

I posted 5 articles. Some are rather long but these 5 articles summarise pretty much everything. I would specifically recommend reading the 4th one.

Regards.

[cheif No 1]

Blockade with what? Rusty IN? If surgical strike is seen as declaration of war... Blockade would be seen as the same. Indian press have wetdreams but we all know they can hardly do anything besides making noise. If they start doing something then it is a big Pakistani foot up their a.

Munir , there will be no surgical or quick strikes on Pakistan. They talk too much . They will definately make 1/2 dozen movies Staring Sunny Doel and thats it. And it will be the same story after another episode.

[penguin]

^^ Stop making fun of other people's mistakes and stop posting pictures for every little point you want to make. You always talk about rules and are so obsessed with them. Well, how about posting images in a [No Image Posting] section?

It was not my intention to make fun of anybody. Rather I found it an amusing little typo. I'm sorry if you can't see the humor.

Meanwhile, how about posting images? There is always the report button. As illustrated above, mods are perfectly able to enforce forum rules if they so choose to do. Besides, it is not like you yourself haven't or that images are not regularly posted by others in other threads (which don't get noticed or deleted by mods posting in same threads). See e.g
- pics of F22P posted by Marchpole: posts 22, 48, 53, 57 of "China Hands Over 2nd Frigate To Pakistan, Three of the four ships of this class will be built in China"-thread in Navy section
- pics of chinese awacs posted by OP1: posts 6 and 41 in "$278m Awacs Deal Struck With China!, This is a New Deal!!-thread in Air Force section (notice your own posts 13 and 43 in that same thread and how you are not complaining about image posting in a [No Image Posting] section there ....)

[BaburMissile]

It was not my intention to make fun of anybody. Rather I found it an amusing little typo. I'm sorry if you can't see the humor.

Meanwhile, how about posting images? There is always the report button. As illustrated above, mods are perfectly able to enforce forum rules if they so choose to do. Besides, it is not like you yourself haven't or that images are not regularly posted by others in other threads (which don't get noticed or deleted by mods posting in same threads). See e.g
- pics of F22P posted by Marchpole: posts 22, 48, 53, 57 of "China Hands Over 2nd Frigate To Pakistan, Three of the four ships of this class will be built in China"-thread in Navy section
- pics of chinese awacs posted by OP1: posts 6 and 41 in "$278m Awacs Deal Struck With China!, This is a New Deal!!-thread in Air Force section (notice your own posts 13 and 43 in that same thread and how you are not complaining about image posting in a [No Image Posting] section there ....)

Whatever... Stop breaking the rules and stop acting like a little child. Why resort to name calling and finger pointing? I can make up a whole list of rules that you have broken in many other threads. I don't like to report like a snitch everything I see... Some things can resolved through exchange of words.

[penguin]

Whatever... Stop breaking the rules and stop acting like a little child. Why resort to name calling and finger pointing?

Excuse me, but you started this. Also, since others have at time also posted images in no-image sections, why do you feel the need to come down on me here and now? And again - since you ignore this - I would like to make clear that I had no intention of making fun of anybody. I merely pointed out I found something amusing. But if that's illegal or somehow offensive to you, well, certainly I will never again attempt to share such a sentiment.

I can make up a whole list of rules that you have broken in many other threads. I don't like to report like a snitch everything I see... Some things can resolved through exchange of words.

Why dont you, and do please report all my many transgressions to forum management. That's how it works. And if you are genuinely interested in resolving things through the exchange of words, if you genuinely would like to talk, why don't you send me a PM? Who knows, I might surprise you and personally edit a post of mine just for you.

[BaburMissile]

Excuse me, but you started this. Also, since others have at time also posted images in no-image sections, why do you feel the need to come down on me here and now? And again - since you ignore this - I would like to make clear that I had no intention of making fun of anybody. I merely pointed out I found something amusing. But if that's illegal or somehow offensive to you, well, certainly I will never again attempt to share such a sentiment.


Why dont you, and do please report all my many transgressions to forum management. That's how it works. And if you are genuinely interested in resolving things through the exchange of words, if you genuinely would like to talk, why don't you send me a PM? Who knows, I might surprise you and personally edit a post of mine just for you.

That's a good way to twist and turn. Anyhow, I've done my bit.

Stop exaggerating and portraying yourself to be some sort of victim. You do have the audacity to openly ridicule some member due to some mistake, but don't have the courage to face criticism in the open? That's the world upside down... Now, if you want to continue this tot for tat send me a PM...

[penguin]

You do have the audacity to openly ridicule some member due to some mistake, but don't have the courage to face criticism in the open? That's the world upside down...

- For the THIRD TIME (just in case you missed it the first 2 times in your enthousiasm) : I had no intention of making fun of anyone or to ridicule anybody. Some errors simply are funny (at least to those with a sense of humor).
- I've always faced criticism in the open here and continue to do so.
- You post "Some things can resolved through exchange of words". Yet when I invited you to have an uninterrupted conversation via PM, you bow out.
- As for 'portraying' myself as 'victim', you have on more than one occasion publicly stated that you will be on my case and make my life on PDF miserable.
- no posts with pictures in other threads in no-image sections have been deleted.
- I'm still waiting for that description of what you consider adequate proof of my non-indianship.

[maverick1977]

- For the THIRD TIME (just in case you missed it the first 2 times in your enthousiasm) : I had no intention of making fun of anyone or to ridicule anybody. Some errors simply are funny (at least to those with a sense of humor).
- I've always faced criticism in the open here and continue to do so.
- You post "Some things can resolved through exchange of words". Yet when I invited you to have an uninterrupted conversation via PM, you bow out.
- As for 'portraying' myself as 'victim', you have on more than one occasion publicly stated that you will be on my case and make my life on PDF miserable.
- no posts with pictures in other threads in no-image sections have been deleted.
- I'm still waiting for that description of what you consider adequate proof of my non-indianship.

Amazingly, indians are way out of touch with some facts... PN will have P3C orions on arabian sea along with Hawkeyes or erieyes and Midas doing the ocean monitoring. There will be mirages providing the CAP incase of any intruders getting close by. Indians are smoking some crazy stuff to have come up with something like that ...


here is some analysis below


http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers13/paper1235.html
by Commodore RS Vasan IN (Retd)

1. A lot of debate is taking place in the naval circles and amongst maritime analysts to understand the full impact of the induction of the P3C Orion in the sub continent. The deal worth over 1.3 billion US dollars has many more military sophisticated equipment. What however interests the maritime analysts is the inclusion of a major item in the form of eight Orion long range maritime aircraft which can be used for surveillance, Anti Sub marine warfare and Anti Surface warfare. Why is this raising the heckles in the Arabian Sea? To understand this and more there would be a need to look at the aircraft itself and then analyse the pattern of Naval Operations in the Arabian Sea.

Figure 1- P3C Orion




2. A look at the P3C Orion. While the airframe and the design of the aircraft is quite old (almost four decades old), what is notable is the regular updates with which the aircraft has been rendered equal to the present day tasks. The US Navy itself has plans to use the aircraft for the next 15 years and expects to support the fleet elsewhere for another two decades plus. A total of over 480 Aircraft have been built to date since the first built some forty years ago.

3. The Pak Navy is expected to be the recipient of the updated P3C Orion aircraft with a capability that will add a great deal in terms of not just surveillance in the Indian Ocean but also in its ability to neutralize both the Indian Submarines deployed on offensive patrols along enemy coasts and the Surface Combatants who would be out there to exercise Sea Control. Both these missions are integral to most of the Navies of the world who are vested with responsibilities in the ocean areas of interest.

The Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance and Anti Submarine Warfare (LRMRASW) aircraft of the world are capable of undertaking multiple missions in wide areas of interests. With the addition of Air to Surface Missiles, the task of Anti Surface Warfare has now become integral to that of Anti Submarine operations.

4. The older Atlantique aircraft which the Pakistan Navy used in the past (Remember the one that was shot down close to our borders) also was equipped for both Anti Sub and Anti Surface Warfare operations. The P3C Orion is no different and is so designed to take on both these tasks. The effectiveness or otherwise of an aircraft like the P3C is largely dependent on the weapon +equipment mix as well as the crew efficiency to handle such technology and missions. The P3C has an array of equipment to enable it to patrol large areas at fairly high speeds. The details of the equipment are provided on open sites by the manufacturers namely Lockheed Martin. This is appended below:-

a) The IR Maverick Missile is an infrared-guided, rocket-propelled, air-to-ground missile for use against targets requiring considerable warhead penetration prior to detonation. The missile is capable of two pre-flight selectable modes of target tracking. The armor or land track mode is optimized for tracking land-based targets such as tanks or fortified emplacements. The ship track mode is optimized for tracking seaborne targets. The missile is capable of launch-and-leave operation. After launch, automatic missile guidance is provided by an imaging infrared energy sensing and homing device.

b) The AN/AAS-36A Infrared Detecting Set [IRDS] provides passive imaging of infrared wavelength radiation to visible light emanating from the terrain along the aircraft flight path for stand-off detection, tracking, and classification capability. The IRDS update will primarily consist of an improved A-focal lens.

c) The AN/AVX-1 Electro-Optical Sensor System [EOSS] is an airborne stabilized electro-optical system that provides video for surveillance and reconnaissance missions. The AN/AVX-1 EOSS has the capability to detect and monitor objects during the day from exceptionally clear to medium hazes, dawn and dusk, and during the night from a full moon to starlight illumination.

d) The AN/APS-137B (V) 5 Radar is capable of multimode operation to provide periscope and small target detection, navigation, weather avoidance, long range surface search and Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) and ISAR imaging modes. SAR provides detection, identification, and classification capability of stationary targets. ISAR provides detection, classification, and tracking capability against surface and surfaced submarine targets. The AN/APS-137B (V) 5 ISAR provides range, bearing, and positional data on all selected targets, and provides medium or high resolution images for display and recording.

e) The EP-2060 Pulse Analyzer works in conjunction with the AN/ALR-66C (V) 3 to detect, direction find, quantify, process, and display electromagnetic signals emitted by land, ship, and airborne radar systems.

f) Three Color High Resolution Display [CHRD] general purpose, dual channel, closed circuit units provide the operator with improved Operator-Machine-Interface and 1024 X 1280 pixel landscape orientation, improved response time to operator commands, and an increase of 300 percent in the video refresh rate to minimize display flicker. Five types of data may be displayed on the CHRD: cursors, cues, tableau, alerts, and raw video.

g) The Pilot Color High Resolution Display [PCHRD] provides the ability to display complex tactical and sensor information to the pilot station.

h) The Over-the-Horizon Airborne Sensor Information System [OASIS] III data is received and prepared for transmission via the OASIS III Tactical Data Processor (TDP). OASIS III processes and correlates all data provided via MATT and Mini-DAMA. The OASIS III TDP provides an Officer in Tactical Command Information Exchange System (OTCIXS) message link, coupled with GPS-aided targeting using the AN/APS-137B(V)5 Radar.

j) The OZ-72(V) Multi-Mission Advanced Tactical Terminal [MATT] system will provide Tactical Receive Equipment (TRE) capability to receive and decrypt three simultaneous channels of Tactical Data Information Exchange Subsystem (TADIXS-B), Tactical Related Applications (TRAP), and Tactical Information Broadcast Service (TIBS) information. The system will route the received broadcast data to the OASIS III for further processing.

k) The AN/USC-42(V) 3 Miniaturized Demand Assigned Multiple Access [Mini-DAMA] will provide for secure voice communications. Mini-DAMA provides for the transmission, reception, and decryption of OTCIXS data and the subsequent routing of that data to the OASIS III TDP.

l) The AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning System [MWS] is a passive electro-optical system designed to detect surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles. Upon detection of an incoming missile, the MWS will report the impending threat to the Countermeasures Dispensing System (CMDS).

m) The AN/ALE-47 Countermeasures Dispensing System [CMDS] will be used for dispensing flares, chaff, non-programmable expendable jammers, and programmable jammers.

n) The AN/ALR-66 C (V) 3 Electronic Support Measures Set provides all the same features as an AN/ALR-66 B (V) 3 ESM Set. However, the ALR-66 C (V) 3 Set incorporates the AS-105 spinning DF antenna and the Operational Flight Program is modified to accommodate this configuration difference. Also included is the EP-2060 Pulse Analyzer, an upgrade to the ULQ-16.

p) The Harpoon Missile with advanced features and an expected stand off range in excess of 100 kms.

5. While the details of equipment are applicable to an upgrade programme in the US, the specific equipment cleared for sale to PN is not yet clear. But it can be safely assumed that most of the above equipment and others that are not listed would indeed find its space in an Orion with the crescent and the star. The aircraft has been classified as a counter terrorism aircraft; some description indeed for an LRMRASWand ASUW aircraft! This description has surprised military analysts the world over.

6. Not withstanding the reasons for the sale of this high technology air asset, the fact of the matter is that the P3C Orion is here to stay and would be constantly factored in the tactical and strategic scenarios in the India Ocean.

7. The entire pattern of operations can be simply explained as follows:

>The aircraft based on intelligence is launched to a specific area. The P3C would transit at high speed using all the four engines to reach the area. On reaching the area it could shut down two of its engines to extend its loiter time by operating at Patrol speeds. The Avionics are operated as dictated by the tactical situation. Thus the aircraft could be operating the Radar selectively to prevent enemy Electronic Support Measures (ESM) equipment from detecting and tracking the source of transmission. Simultaneously, the aircraft would be using its own ESM equipment to detect and classify the presence of any hostile transmissions.

> The aircraft would methodically build a surface picture in the target area and also pass on the information in real time to the ground monitoring stations. With friendly inputs from Satellites it would be quite easy to correlate plots. The updated version is designed to be capable of net centric warfare .It is childs play today to have such real time information including transfer of either synthetic or raw pictorial plots to the controlling stations. Certain missions would demand independent prosecution by the Aircraft itself where as certain other missions may demand a coordinated action by other Strike aircraft and Submarines.

>The aircraft has its own stand off Harpoon missile with a range in excess of 100 kms. So the aircraft would be able to release the missile on the target keeping well outside the SAM ranges. However, the aircraft could be vulnerable to integral (Carrier borne) aircraft depending on the scenario existing. Issues related to the Carrier operations are very frequently debated in the Pak online forums. The discussions on the Carrier Operations could form the subject of another analysis.

>As far as the Anti Sub marine operations are concerned, the range of Passive, Active Directional sonobuoys and the Magnetic detector that the aircraft carries provides it the wherewithal to keep probable areas of enemy Submarine deployment under active surveillance. The threat to the P3C would indeed be minimized as it would be operating close to its own shore and would be well with in its shore based fighter cover. On detection and localization, the aircraft has array of weapons including torpedoes and depth charges which could be released with great accuracy enabled by onboard sonic processors and mission computer systems.

The most important asset of the P3C Orion, in my opinion is the Inverted Synthetic.

Aperture Radar (ISAR) which makes it possible for the crew to identify the targets at well over missile release ranges. This does complicate the matters for the Surface Action Group (SAG) or a Carrier Battle Group (CBG) manoeuvring in the areas where Sea Control is desired.
>Similarly, the use of onboard chaffs and jammers would provide some sort of protection from missile (SAMs and AAMs).

In the light of above, let us see how the task of the IN is complicated in the Arabian

Sea and what counters are available to IN in the present context. The element of surprise is something that would be compromised as the P3C aircraft has the means to identify the surface targets at extended ranges. It would enable the planners in Pakistan to develop a surface picture that forewarns them of the possibilities related to a time frame. Thus the most essential aspect of time and space in relation to surface dispositions would be known for mounting counter operations. This doubtlessly would affect the classical missions of Sea Control and Blockade.
It is not as if the entire advantage in the Arabian Sea is nullified in one stroke with the introduction of the Orion aircraft; after all, the IN has lived with the presence of the Atlantique aircraft which similarly threatened the surface forces and submarines in the past. The equation was also less favourable to the Indian Navy then with the absence of any credible air early warning with IN till just a couple of years ago.

How would the IN cope with coordinated saturation attacks from many directions (for example by dozens of Mirages, Three to four P3C Orions and anything else that could be thrown in to the arena) would be a matter of clever tactics and battle of wits. The PN would like to see that the operation resembles the peeling of the onion, meaning that they would concentrate on taking out the pickets engaged in the outer periphery to protect the Carrier or any other Surface vessel till they reach the Carrier. The closer co operation between the IAF and the IN to optimize the reach of the Sukhoi aircraft and Tankers to take out the Orion in the initial stages would enable subsequent classical naval operation.

In conclusion, P3C Orion will definitely change the strategic and tactical dimensions of naval warfare in the Arabian Sea. The induction of high technology sensors and precision weapons endangers IN operations. The Navy doubtlessly would be busy in evaluating the changed parameters caused by this induction for developing counters to see that it continues to enjoy the maritime supremacy in the Arabian Sea.