232 replies to this topic

[Sufi]

Does this mean war ? only time will tell.

[Oracle]

Now they are behaving like Punjab police.
sounds like "pulas muqabla"[/b]

Does it Sound funny? I dont think Its Funny. Thats a Muslim and a Pakistani Lady and a Mother Held illegealy By Freking Flippin Yankies,

SAA : No need to attack another Brother .. who has rightly pointed out that the claims of US against Dr. Afia sound like any third world country police .. i.e; false, fabricate and a big lie.

I am talking about Yanks behaving like a jahil ASI ..., even an illiterate can guess about their claim of "recovring" chemicals and shooting at security dogs.

they are going to put her behind bars for long time, or simply kill her. (the news says she got wounded)

[pakforever]

This is a disgrace.  Its pretty clear that she was arrested in Pakistan, and then "handed over" to the Americans.  This should never happen to any Pakistani national on Pakistani soil, especially a muslimah.   If a Pakistani is accused of an act of terrorism, Pakistan should see the allegations themselves, and then make the person subject to a trial in Pakistan if warranted.  You should not be simply handed over like your life means nothing to the Government of Pakistan.  

This shows how lightly the Government of Pakistan values the lives of its citizens.  I know this happened on Musharraf's watch, and he should be heavily criticized for such an action.  However, we would be fooling ourselves to think that the current "democratic" administration doesn't do the same thing.  

The governments we have had in Pakistan have just been an abomination.  And this is true whether you are talking about a dictator like Musharraf or so called "democratically elected civilian governments" like the one Mr. 10% leads right now.  Its just sad.

[JANA]

A Statement by the Asian Human Rights Commission

FBI is responsible for disappearances, illegal detention and torture

On 24th July the Asian Human Rights Commission issued an Urgent Appeal in the case of the disappearance of a lady doctor. The UA, PAKISTAN/USA: A lady doctor remains missing with her three children five years after her arrest, may be seen at: PAKISTAN/USA: A lady doctor remains missing with her three children five years after her arrest

The American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), initially admitted that they had arrested Dr. Afia and then later denied it. Now, due to the coverage of the UA both in Pakistan and internationally, the FBI has now announced that “Dr. Afia Siddiqui is alive, she is in Afghanistan but she is injured”. No further details have been provided and the AHRC is especially concerned about the three children who were also abducted along with her. It is reported that after receiving hundreds of responses to the UA initiated by the AHRC, the American and Pakistani authorities were compelled to issue information of the whereabouts of Afia Siddiqui who had been missing for five years after being arrested by the Pakistani Intelligence Agency. Acting on the information received, the AHRC in its appeal suspected that Dr. Afia is being kept in Bagram jail, Afghanistan, and that because of severe torture, had lost her mind. At this point people responded in their hundreds which pressured the American authorities. On 1st August an FBI official visited the house of Dr. Afia’s brother in Houston to deliver the news that she is alive and in custody, Ms. Elaine Whitfield Sharp, Dr. Afia’s lawyer, said that FBI officials would not say exactly who is holding her or reveal the fate of her three young, American-born children.

After the confirmation from the American FBI that she is in Afghanistan and that she is injured, the entire responsibility for Dr. Afia’s abduction, being held incommunicado for five years, her torture, illegal detention, illegal handing over to a foreign country and the fate of her three children, lies squarely with the FBI.

The Asian Human Rights Commission urges the UN Human Rights Commission and other Human Rights offices to start an immediate probe into the illegal arrest and detention of Dr. Afia and immediately investigate the situation of the children. The government of America,Afghanistan and Pakistan must bring the perpetrators of such gross human rights violations to trial. NATO, America and its allied forces should be asked to immediately release Dr. Afia Siddiqui and her three children and provide mental and physical rehabilitation to the victims along with substantial compensation.
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About AHRC: The Asian Human Rights Commission is a regional non-governmental organisation monitoring and lobbying human rights issues in Asia. The Hong Kong-based group was founded in 1984

[BaburMissile]

Well without doubt this is a shameful disgraceful act by the Pakistani establishment to hand over a Pakistani woman to USA. If she was a suspect than she should have been interrogated by Pakistani women intelligence officials and kept in a Pakistani jail. There was no justification to treat her like that. She should be immediately released now as so far they have not been able to lay any charges on her. And President MUsharraf should apologize to her personally for what she went through and compensated for her nightmare. I hope in all this that her children are safe somewhere.

Not only should she be released and return to Pakistan, but everyone involved in this heinous crime should also be brought to justice. The people from the intelligence community that were involved should be hanged. Apologies aren't near enough. If Musharraf is involved he ought to be hanged too. No mercy for people that sell their own for greed.

[must7]

Not only should she be released and return to Pakistan, but everyone involved in this heinous crime should also be brought to justice. The people from the intelligence community that were involved should be hanged. Apologies aren't near enough. If Musharraf is involved he ought to be hanged too. No mercy for people that sell their own for greed.

Fully agreed .. but why not the people for whom she worked to receive the same fate ! They seem to have abandoned her cause too !

[salyal]

Sadqay thiwaan teri tafseer, taaweel, tatbeeq, tarje' aur istanbaat day...........naal teri colored ainak day.

realy you are a hopless case

[dargay]

lets see how PPP and Sher-e-Punjab release this terrorist from custody.

[KudosBot]

Pakistani family threatened over mum's US terror charges(AFP)

KARACHI - The family of a Pakistani neurosurgeon extradited to the United States on terrorism charges said on Tuesday that they had received death threats warning them not to discuss her case.

Mother-of-three Aafia Siddiqui has been extradited to the United States on charges of shooting at US soldiers while in detention in Afghanistan, a US attorney said.

Siddiqui, 36, disappeared from the southern Pakistani port city of Karachi in 2003 and appeared on a list of US suspects linked to Al-Qaeda the following year.

"Our lives are in serious danger," her sister Fauzia Siddiqui, a medical doctor living in Karachi, told AFP.

"We are receiving threats through phone calls and SMS not to dicuss or pursue Aafia's case. I do not know who are the people threatening us," she said.

"But my sister is innocent, she has done no wrong."

In recent months relatives and rights groups had expressed fears that Aafia Siddiqui, who was reportedly educated at the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) university, was being held in a secret US prison.

Fauzia Siddiqui said the family was "very shocked and depressed"  by the news of her sister's fate.

"Her absence has given us great pain for the last five years and we have been looking for her and her children," she said.

She said she would give further details at a news conference later on Tuesday.

There was no immediate reaction from the Pakistani government.

Aafia Siddiqui, a former US resident, was arrested last month in Afghanistan, said the US attorney for the Southern District of New York, Michael Garcia.

At the time of her arrest Siddiqui was carrying documents on how to make explosives and descriptions of various US landmarks, including in New York City, Garcia said, citing the complaint filed in Manhattan federal court.

When US military officials arrived at her detention facility to pick her up one day after her arrest, Siddiqui rushed out from behind curtains and opened fire with an assault rifle that had been left on the floor, Garcia said.

Siddiqui fired two rounds without hitting anybody and was shot in the chest by a US officer who returned fire. She was subdued and then extradited.

She is scheduled to appear in a New York court on Tuesday.

Siddiqui is charged with one count of attempting to kill US officers and employees, and one count of assaulting US officers and employees.

She faces a maximum 20 years in prison on each charge, Garcia said.

[*Zarrar Jareeh*]

^^The whole thing about her grabbing an 'assault rifle that had been left on the floor' sounds like such a bunch of bulllllsh*t.

[Tarbela]

I think that due the pressures from all quarters, USA planned to get her back to America as she has got three kids with her .
It took too long for her to get to USA.
The kids will definitely have got negative impact.

[Oracle]

realy you are a helpless case

ha ha u shy little yazeed lover, why r u afraid of sunlight?

[salyal]

ha ha u shy little yazeed lover, why r u afraid of sunlight?

what a stupid rispond

[Oracle]

what a stupid rispond

u can say this cuz u don't have an answer.
don't spoil the thread with ur crap now.
let us focus on Mazloom Aafia, who needs justice.

[Jahan]

The disgusting and filthy actions against this poor woman are absolutely atrocious.

I do not understand: any country that sanctions this type of behaviour against a woman and a mother has absolutely no right to protest about terrorism. This is terrorism in its purest and most evil form. Raping a woman continually and repeatedly till she goes insane? Forcing her to bathe in front of other men when her culture and religion and morality prohibit this type of behaviour? Torturing her to such an extent that her screams terrify even the other prisoners?

No offence - actually strike that, the deepest offence, insult and contempt - to any of our members who say that Musharraf isn't to blame. Musharraf is to blame. must7 and pakforever don't you bloody dare defend Musharraf in this Don't come up with baseless justifcations such as "the present government would do the same." Sure as hell it would. And if it were the present government, we would be equally as condemning. But fact is, it is Musharraf who authorised this. It is during his watch that our own intelligence agencies have picked up a daughter of this sarzameen and handed her over to brutes. Musharraf should be hanged. Na-jaiz haraam insaan hai. He should be publicly executed as a warning to everyone that the mothers and daughters and sisters of this beloved nation mean more than a few meaningless $$$.

It seems our intelligence agencies are good at only picking up our own innocent civilians - when it comes to combatting hostile enemy spies inciting insurgencies in Balochistan and trouble in FATA they are utterly inept. I am so angry with the Pakistani government and intelligence agencies. They are good-for-nothing jackasses. If I hear anyone say that Musharraf has a love for Pakistan, that he is sincere and genuine, I will lose any respect for that person. I'm not saying Zardari is. But call a spade a spade. Musharraf was just as much a traitor to this nation as any of our other leaders. Selling a Muslim woman to thugs... my Lord, what has this country and nation come to? Is this what the Qaid wanted?

What about her children? Did they torture them too? Rape the little kids? Make them watch their mother being victimised again and again? I feel nausea at the very thought of this. We don't even know, because we don't even know where the children are

"When some Jews dared to uncover a Muslim woman, it didn’t take long for the banners of the Muslim armies led by the Messenger himself to hover around their fortresses. They where defeated by the Muslim forces, and the entire Jewish Community, (not just the perpetrators) where driven out from Madina — all of them, down to the last man. This is how serious such a matter is.

Centuries later, a Muslim woman was taken prisoner by the Roman Army and called for help from the Abassid Khalifah of the time, al Mu’tasim. He immediately ordered a mobilization of forces and led those forces himself in an attack of Roman territory in response to the call of a single Muslim woman. The response to her plea from the Muslims of that time was the complete severance of diplomatic relations, and Declaration of War against the superpower of the time.

But today, no one knows or even seems to care about this woman who has disappeared into US custody for years.

The Messenger of Allah, as narrated in Sahih al Bukhari, said: “Release the prisoner.” It is a clear and direct order to Muslims until the end of time. The Scholars of Islam state that if a Muslim in the East is taken prisoner, it becomes mandatory on the Muslims of the West to seek his release, even if that would lead to them expending all of their wealth."

Please make use of the addresses at the bottom of this webpage:

URGENT APPEAL FOR DR. AFIA

[Jahan]

Double-post.

[complicated]

Look at the poor lady shame and be thr curse of Allah on those who helped in her kidnapping in any way
Dr. Aafia

[Oracle]

sad, really sad.

[Saira]

Dr. Aafia’s Siddiqui story has been haunting most Pakistanis for months now. Famously known as ‘Prisoner 650′ at Bagram Base in Afghanistan, she is one of the missing persons of Pakistan, wanted by FBI on alleged links with Al-Qaeda.

Dr. Afia Siddiqui, a highly educated researcher who studied at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, US, for about 10 years and did her PhD in genetics, mysteriously disappeared from Karachi in March 2003 along with her three children. Since then, US and Pakistani officials have continuously denied any knowledge about her.

It was only after British prisoner Moazzam Begg mentioned her in his book The Enemy Combatant that Human Rights Organizations and activists, British journalist Yvonne Ridley and MP Lord Nazir in particular, raised voice for Dr. Aafia kept in solitary confinement and her three children. A specially disturbing part of this story is that fate of her three children, aged between one month and 7 years at the time of her kidnapping, is still unknown.

In 2007, the media started giving Dr. Aafia’s case more serious attention and several reports were published about her tragic fate. Amnesty International included her on a June 2007 list as someone for whom there was “evidence of secret detention by the United States and whose fate and whereabouts remain unknown.”

Britain’s Lord Nazir Ahmed, (of the House of Lords), asked questions in the House about the condition of Prisoner 650. According to one news story “He [Lord Nazir] said she is physically tortured and continuously raped by the officers at the prison.” Lord Nazir has also submitted that Prisoner 650 has no separate toilet facilities and has to attend to her bathing and movements in full view of the other prisoners.

And it was on July 6, 2008, when a British journalist, Yvonne Ridley, called for help for a Pakistani woman she believes has been held in isolation by the Americans in their Bagram detention centre in Afghanistan, for over four years. “I call her the ‘grey lady’ because she is almost a ghost, a spectre whose cries and screams continues to haunt those who heard her. This would never happen to a Western Woman,” Ms Ridley said at a press conference.

Ms Ridley, who came to Pakistan to appeal for help, said the case came to her attention when she read the book, The Enemy Combatant, by a former Guantanamo detainee, Moazzam Begg. After being seized in February 2002 in Islamabad, Mr. Begg was held in detention centres in Kandahar and Bagram for about a year before he was transferred to Guantanamo Bay. He recounted his experiences in the book after his release in 2005. Imran Khan, leader of Justice Party (PTI) has also been raising voice, held a joint press conference with Ms. Ridley on this issue, and criticised government of Pakistan for not doing anything and hiding facts about Prisoner 650.

After these reports in media, the US and Pakistani authorities were forced to admit just last week that Dr. Aafia was indeed in US captivity, the Prisoner 650 at Bagram Base.

CNN has released the official version of US Government today and according to Dr. Aafia’s attorney, Elaine Whitfield Sharp, “a lot of the allegations implausible” and argued that the charges “don’t pass the sniff test.” According to CNN:

    A Pakistani scientist accused of shooting at U.S. officers while in Afghan custody last month was due to appear before a U.S. magistrate judge Tuesday morning in New York.

    Aafia Siddiqui, whom the FBI had sought for several years for terrorism, faces federal charges of attempted murder and assault of a U.S. officer and U.S. employees, federal authorities said.

    The 36-year-old American-educated neuroscientist is a suspected member of al Qaeda. If convicted, she faces a maximum of 20 years in prison on each charge. On July 18 Siddiqui shot at two FBI special agents, a U.S. Army warrant officer, an Army captain and military interpreters who unknowingly entered a room where she was being held unsecured at an Afghan facility, officials said.

    Siddiqui was behind a curtain when she used an officer’s rifle to shoot at the group, officials said. She shot twice but hit no one, they said. The warrant officer returned fire with a pistol, shooting Siddiqui at least once. She struggled with the officers before she lost consciousness and was then given medical attention. The day before the shootings, Afghan police arrested Siddiqui outside the Ghazni governor’s compound where they found bomb-making instructions, excerpts from the “Anarchist’s Arsenal,” papers with descriptions of U.S. landmarks, and substances sealed in bottles and glass jars, U.S. officials said Monday.

Responding to these allegation, Elaine Whitfield Sharp told DAWN, Geo and CNN:

    “This is a very intelligent woman. What is she doing outside of the governor’s residence? The woman is a Ph.D. Is a woman like this really that stupid? There is an incongruity and I have trouble accepting the government’s claims,” the attorney said.

    “If she was carrying fluids and was considered dangerous, then why was she left unattended in a room behind a curtain? And this dangerous, hardened criminal picks up a gun and misses?”

Dr. Aafia’s sister, Dr. Fauzia, held a press conference today along with Human Rights Activist Iqbal Haider and she urged authorities to presume her sister is innocent and is demanding that the government be required to prove any charges against her “beyond a reasonable doubt.” She appealed to the government of Pakistan, all religious, political parties and human rights organizations to play their active role in bringing her sister back home. At least, they should immediately hand over the children to the family as no law on earth allows that. This is one of the most serious violation of human rights. “I fear a political prosecution to protect the United States from embarrassment, rather than from ‘terrorism,’” Fouzia Siddiqui said. Iqbal Haider severely criticised US and Pakistani Governments and said that they promoting terrorism by doing inhuman acts like this.

I don’t know if Dr. Aafia has done anything illegal or not but the way she has been picked and handed over to US authorities along with three innocent children is a violation of even basic human rights and human dignity. What happened to the moral values, respect for law and Human Rights? If she has done something wrong, she should have been held accountable in the court of law and punished. But why detaining her illegally, along with 3 children, with any charge whatsoever for 5 years?

It should not be forgotten that the missing persons case was a turning point in recent Pakistan politics where Pervez Musharraf had a severe falling out with the then CJP Iftikhar Chaudhry who was investigating this case. After much public agitation on the issue, the Chief Justice ordered that EVERYONE to be produced in court and then charged so that a free and fair trial could be held. Something which couldn’t be done at that time as many of the missing were already handed over to US authorities secretly.

Dr. Aafia’s case reminds us that how important the rule of law and justice is if we are to survive as a nation. Pakistan should immediately demand US Government to release 3 innocent children picked up with Dr. Aafia and hand them over to her family. Whatever the allegations on her may be, there is no justification whatsoever for kidnapping and detaining three innocent children and keeping them away from their family for 5 years.

http://pakistaniat.com/2008/08/05/aafia-siddiqui/

[Pappu Paanwala]

There seems to be a competition going on between Pakistani leaders about Bai-Ghairti. Zardari yea Nawaz Sharif main se jub koi jeetney lagta hai Musharraf comes and says, " main bhi to hoon".

[Siddharth]

sad, really sad.

oh god, that's cruel.

and she was shot in chest too. arrhhh

was sabka favorite Mushi sleeping for the last 5 years? And this is only one case, wonder how many such incidents happened.

[Pak-Eye]

Does this mean war ? only time will tell.

For sure it means war ...

But wait ... with whom? Americans? What about our baboon face leaders and local agencies who were equally involved in such a shameful crime?

It is certain there would be hundred of similar stories. It would be interested to know the feedback of some European visitors on PDF; a woman wearing a burqa living with her family with dignity really irritates them and they love to utter words like freedom of speech, human rights, women status where ever they go in the world. WHAT NOW? Any comments? I see not a single post !!!

Only Allah knows what will happen to the fate of Aaafia, may she live and get back to her family as soon as possible. Ameen

[demonslayer]

^^The whole thing about her grabbing an 'assault rifle that had been left on the floor' sounds like such a bunch of bulllllsh*t.

Exactly. SHe was in custody for years. The woman must be depressed and in shock. Probably mentally unstable. If she really had grabbed a gun, then taking her state of mind into account she probably would have killed herself than go after the macho men of the US intelligence. It is just a drama to now hold her in jail on this pretext, because they could not find any evidence on her for her alleged terrorist links. Now I am afraid they are going to lay attempted murder charges on her and keep her in US jail. It is a slap on all Pakistanis.

[saleemraja]

The question is why has it taken so long for this poor woman's plight to become public and who is going to be held accountable for this barbaric and cruel torture of a Pakistani muslim woman? What has happened to her kids?  Those who support the kafirs now know what they support. There seems to be no bottom to their inhumanity and they believe themselves above the natural law of justice. This is the epitaph of the "fight against terrorism", fuC*king perverts free to do what they want .

[saleemraja]

NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN


Prisoner 650

By Yvonne Ridley


05/07/08 "ICH" -- - THE FBI lost much of its credibility when its chief J Edgar Hoover was revealed to be a transvestite who preferred to be called Mary.

Hoover, probably the most powerful men in America some say even more powerful then the presidents he served under, was the originator of dirty tricks campaign and kept a lot of dirt on other people in his files.

The only players who were immune to Hoover's secret files were those who had secrets of their own about his personal life - namely, the Mafia. Mafia bosses obtained information about Hoover's sex life and used it for decades to keep the FBI at bay. Without this, the Mafia as we know it might never have gained its hold in America.

In May of 1972, Hoover - approaching his fifty-five-year anniversary with the Justice Department - boasted that the FBI remained the organization that he built upon his own principles and standards – of course now we know exactly what standards Hoover aka Mary had.

The FBI never really recovered its power or prestige once Hoover was outed as a cross dresser. There was more scandal to follow when Acting Director L. Patrick Gray was forced to resign after being caught up in the Watergate drama which brought down President Richard Nixon aka Tricky Dicky.

The FBI is supposed to be an institute based around freedom and democracy, instead it has become a factory from which lies and deceit are manufactured.
The reason for this brief history lesson in to the FBI will now become apparent.

You see it is quite obvious that from cross dressers, liars and fraudsters, the FBI has now moved into the realms of fantasy land with the news that Dr Aafia Siddique has "conveniently" been found outside a governor's office in Afghanistan with her 12 year old son ... FIVE years after her disappearance in Karachi.

According to the FBI she was in possession of "numerous documents describing the creation of explosives, as well as excerpts from the Anarchist's Arsenal, descriptions of various landmarks in the United States, including in New York City" - you know, all the regular stuff a female terrorist would carry in her handbag!
The fantastists who concocted this story may as well have put Dr Siddique in Hoover's old red dress while they were on with it.

What we do know is that she has been shot at and injured. She was extradited to New York last night (Monday)and is being held in a prison in Manhatten down the road from the night club where Hoover used t o pose as Mary.

She faces charges of attempted murder and assault of a US officer.

Does the FBI really think we are all that stupid and gullible?

Dr Aafia Siddiqui - who had been sought by the FBI for several years regarding terrorism according to their website – is accused of shooting at two FBI special agents, a US Army warrant officer, an Army captain and military interpreters who unknowingly entered a room where she was being held unsecured.

She fired two shots, but hit no one, officials said. The warrant officer returned fire with a pistol, shooting Siddiqui at least once. She struggled with the officers before she lost consciousness, said officials, adding that she received medical attention.

The day before the shootings, Afghan police had arrested Siddiqui outside the Ghazni governor's compound after finding bomb-making instructions, excerpts from the "Anarchist's Arsenal," papers with descriptions of U.S. landmarks and substances sealed in bottles and glass jars.

This all happened two weeks after I had given a press conference in Islamabad calling on the US to handover Prisoner 650 – The Grey lady of Bagram?
Coincidence? May be – but if the FBI think that we are going to buy the bovine scatterings they've just released to the US media they really do live in La La Land.
Let' look at the cold hard fact of the case.

Dr Siddiqui, 36, is an American-educated neuroscientist. Since 2003, Siddiqui's whereabouts have been the source of much speculation. According to Amnesty International, Siddiqui and her three small children were reported apprehended in Karachi, Pakistan, in March 2003 after the FBI issued at alert requesting information about her location earlier that month.

Several reports indicated Siddiqui was in US custody after her arrest in Karachi. But in May 2004 then-Attorney General Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller identified Siddiqui among several sought-after al Qaeda members

Human rights group and a lawyer for Ms. Siddiqui, Elaine Whitfield Sharp, say they believe that she has been secretly detained since 2003, for much of that time at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.

“We believe Aafia has been in custody ever since she disappeared,” Ms. Sharp said in a telephone interview yesterday, “and we’re not willing to believe that the discovery of Aafia in Afghanistan is coincidence.”

American military and intelligence officials said that Ms. Siddiqui was in Pakistan for most of the past five years until she resurfaced last month and was captured by the Afghans.

She and her 12-year-old son were arrested in Ghazni, Afghanistan, on July 17. The American officials accused Ms Siddiqui trying to bomb the residence of Ghazni’s provincial governor.

Someone who also does not buy this nonsense is Asim Qureshi, Senior Researcher for the british-based international human rights organisation  Cageprisoners.
He has issued the following statement: "There are many questions that the FBI and the Pakistani government need to answer in light of this admission. Why have the FBI continued to pretend to be seeking her while all the while knowing of her detention in Afghanistan? Is Aafia indeed Prisoner 650 whose screams was heard by former Bagram prisoners?

"Aafia Siddiqui is a woman who has been plagued by a number of problems in her life, none of which have anything to do with involvement with Al Qaeda. During the years the US claim she was working as an operative for the organisation, she was in fact the victim of domestic violence at the hands of an abusive husband. Community members in Boston declare that she was incapable of any violence, let alone being involved with a terrorist group.

"Whilst we welcome this disclosure from the FBI, it has only come after mounting international pressure, and five years of detention and abuse. Siddiqui’s case represents the problem of disappearances in Pakistan in the most tragic way. The acceptance by the FBI that Siddiqui has been in custody in Afghanistan raises important questions which must be answered by the Pakistani and US governments. Siddiqui must be returned to Pakistan in order to faces charges for any crime she may have committed or released along with her children."

Cageprisoners has led the campaign for Aafia Siddiqui for the past three years. Since her disappearance in March 2003 in Karachi, along with her three young children, the FBI has continually denied reports of her detention and that she was in their custody.

I am proud to be a patron of Cage Prisoners. Less than two weeks before this fiasco emerged I travelled to Pakistan with Cageprisoners Director, Saghir Hussain, to launch their report, Devoid of the Rule of the Law, at a press conference organised by Imran Khan.

The press conference sparked an international storm of outrage, when I asked my colleagues in the Pakistan media to put pressure on the US to identify Prisoner 650 and the release of Aafia Siddiqui.

I personally spoke with Lt Col Mark Wright at the US Pentagon who denied all knowledge of Prisoner 650 or Dr Aafia Siddique.

Now I don't believe for one minute Lt Col Mark Wright was lying – in fact I did suggest to him that the people he was speaking to in Afghanistan (the FBI) might be lying to him. I did ask him to call me back when he had the facts.

Perhaps Lieutenant Colonel Wright you might want to make that call now and tell me the truth about Dr Siddique and Prisoner 650 ... but whatever you do mate, don't get your facts from the FBI which stands for Fantasy Brigade International ... and that's just the polite version.

Yvonne Ridley is a patron of Cage Prisoners www.cageprisoners.com  as well as a broadcaster and journalist





  

[BaburMissile]

This cannot go unpunished. We must settle the score for this one some way. We should punish Afghanistan and the Americans severely. Enough is enough. I cannot bare our cowardly politicians any more. Their cowardly silence is killing everyone.

[pakforever]

The disgusting and filthy actions against this poor woman are absolutely atrocious.

I do not understand: any country that sanctions this type of behaviour against a woman and a mother has absolutely no right to protest about terrorism. This is terrorism in its purest and most evil form. Raping a woman continually and repeatedly till she goes insane? Forcing her to bathe in front of other men when her culture and religion and morality prohibit this type of behaviour? Torturing her to such an extent that her screams terrify even the other prisoners?

No offence - actually strike that, the deepest offence, insult and contempt - to any of our members who say that Musharraf isn't to blame. Musharraf is to blame. must7 and pakforever don't you bloody dare defend Musharraf in this Don't come up with baseless justifcations such as "the present government would do the same." Sure as hell it would. And if it were the present government, we would be equally as condemning. But fact is, it is Musharraf who authorised this. It is during his watch that our own intelligence agencies have picked up a daughter of this sarzameen and handed her over to brutes. Musharraf should be hanged. Na-jaiz haraam insaan hai. He should be publicly executed as a warning to everyone that the mothers and daughters and sisters of this beloved nation mean more than a few meaningless $$$.

It seems our intelligence agencies are good at only picking up our own innocent civilians - when it comes to combatting hostile enemy spies inciting insurgencies in Balochistan and trouble in FATA they are utterly inept. I am so angry with the Pakistani government and intelligence agencies. They are good-for-nothing jackasses. If I hear anyone say that Musharraf has a love for Pakistan, that he is sincere and genuine, I will lose any respect for that person. I'm not saying Zardari is. But call a spade a spade. Musharraf was just as much a traitor to this nation as any of our other leaders. Selling a Muslim woman to thugs... my Lord, what has this country and nation come to? Is this what the Qaid wanted?

What about her children? Did they torture them too? Rape the little kids? Make them watch their mother being victimised again and again? I feel nausea at the very thought of this. We don't even know, because we don't even know where the children are

"When some Jews dared to uncover a Muslim woman, it didn’t take long for the banners of the Muslim armies led by the Messenger himself to hover around their fortresses. They where defeated by the Muslim forces, and the entire Jewish Community, (not just the perpetrators) where driven out from Madina — all of them, down to the last man. This is how serious such a matter is.

Centuries later, a Muslim woman was taken prisoner by the Roman Army and called for help from the Abassid Khalifah of the time, al Mu’tasim. He immediately ordered a mobilization of forces and led those forces himself in an attack of Roman territory in response to the call of a single Muslim woman. The response to her plea from the Muslims of that time was the complete severance of diplomatic relations, and Declaration of War against the superpower of the time.

But today, no one knows or even seems to care about this woman who has disappeared into US custody for years.

The Messenger of Allah, as narrated in Sahih al Bukhari, said: “Release the prisoner.” It is a clear and direct order to Muslims until the end of time. The Scholars of Islam state that if a Muslim in the East is taken prisoner, it becomes mandatory on the Muslims of the West to seek his release, even if that would lead to them expending all of their wealth."

Please make use of the addresses at the bottom of this webpage:

URGENT APPEAL FOR DR. AFIA

Where exactly did I defend Musharraf?  I put blame on both him and the current government for this and for other problems that Pakistan is facing.  I'm definitely not one of these blind Musharraf supporters.

As I said before, this incident with Ms. Siddiqui is a complete disgrace.  And, we all should be ashamed of this as Pakistanis.  Turning over a Pakistani national to a foreign government should never be this "easy", especially when the charges relate to terrorism (which can be made up in some cases) and the suspect is a female.  

This highlights how little the government of Pakistan thinks of its citizens.  And, its true for Musharraf's administration and the current administration lead by Mr. 10%.  
  

[Felicius]

Prisoner 650 is now in New York City

http://dawn.com/2008/08/05/welcome.htm

Pakistan demands access to Dr Aafia Siddiqui in U.S.
KARACHI, Aug 5 (Reuters): Pakistan demanded consular access to Dr Aafia Siddiqui, accused of suspected links to al Qaeda. She is due to be arraigned in New York on Tuesday on charges of attempting to murder U.S. troops and FBI agents in Afghanistan. Pakistan's ambassador to Washington made the request for consular access on Monday, Pakistan's state-run news agency said. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) demanded the Pakistani government intervene and secure her release. “Dr. Aafia's case is a reminder of the grave injustice done to God knows how many Pakistanis in U.S. detention facilities in Bagram in Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere, who have been listed as missing” an HRCP statement said. The story of her arrest is one of the strangest to emerge since the Sept. 11, 2001 al Qaeda attacks on the United States. Family members said Siddiqui was raped and tortured at Bagram, although they did not say how they knew this. The New York Times newspaper said Dr Aafia Siddiqui had links to at least two of 14 suspected high-level Al-Qaeda members held in Guantanamo Bay. (Posted @ 21:05 PST)

Aafia Siddiqui charged in NY with soldier attack
NEW YORK, Aug 5 (AP): Aafia Siddiqui, an MIT-educated Pakistani woman, once identified as a possible Al Qaeda associate has been brought to New York to face the charges that she tried to kill U.S. agents and military officers during an interrogation in Afghanistan, federal prosecutors said. Siddiqui, who was shot and wounded last month during the confrontation, was expected to be arraigned Tuesday in a federal court in Manhattan on charges of attempted murder and assault, U.S. Attorney Michael Garcia said in a statement. Aafia’s family attorney, Elaine Whitfield Sharp, said the allegations were false. Siddiqui, 36, was stopped by Afghan police on July 17 outside a government building, according to a criminal complaint. Police searched her handbag and discovered documents containing recipes for explosives and chemical weapons and describing “various landmarks in the United States, including New York City,” according to the complaint, which did not identify the landmarks. The next day, as a team of FBI agents and U.S. military officers prepared to question her, Siddiqui grabbed a rifle, pointed it at an army captain and yelled that she wanted blood, prosecutors said. An interpreter pushed the rifle aside as she fired two shots, which missed, they said. One of two shots fired by a soldier in response hit her in the torso. Even after being hit, Siddiqui struggled and shouted in English “that she wanted to kill Americans” before the officers subdued her, the complaint said. Sharp called the charges “a tall story.” At the time of the incident, Afghan officials gave conflicting accounts of what transpired. U.S. military officials declined comment. Siddiqui is charged with one count each of attempted murder and assault. If convicted, she faces up to 20 years in prison on each charge. (First Posted @ 11:35 PST, Updated @ 16:45 PST)

Aafia Siddiqui’s family says death threats received
KARACHI, Aug 5 (AFP): The family of Aafia Siddiqui, facing terrorism charges in the United States said Tuesday that they had received death threats warning them not to discuss her case. Mother-of-three Aafia Siddiqui was extradited to the United States on charges of shooting at US soldiers while in detention in Afghanistan, a US attorney said. Siddiqui, 36, disappeared from Karachi in 2003 and appeared on a list of US suspects linked to Al-Qaeda the following year. “Our lives are in serious danger,” her sister Fauzia Siddiqui, a doctor living in Karachi, told AFP. “We are receiving threats through phone calls and SMS not to dicuss or pursue Aafia's case. I do not know who are the people threatening us,” she said. (Posted @ 17:00 PST)

[Pappu Paanwala]

Fact: She was picked up in Karachi by Pakistani Intelligence Officers in 2003

Fact: She was handed over to the US authorities by the Baighairut Pakistani intelligence agencies to be taken to Afghanistan

Fact: The Pakistani Government knew about her fate yet kept quiet for 5 years.


The shameless bastards who handed her over and profess to have done so much for Pakistan deserve a fate worse then death. Musharraf is Directly responsible for this as it happened on his watch as he bent over backwards to allow the US access to these missing people without establishing their guilt or paying attention to the conditions they were going to be kept under when in custody. These 180 odd "missing people" had families just like you and me and were not pieces of meat who just disappeared one day. Perhaps they were guilty, if so they should have been punished according to law but this kind of barbarism is unacceptable. PML-Q and the Hypocrites  of the MMA are equally responsible for being part of this travesty.

The current set up of thieves (read PPP/PML-N) is no better. We can hardly hope these sell outs to stand up for this Pakistani woman. We must learn to accept our fate. Lets not talk about competing with India because we cannot even protect our own on our very own soil. Lets just cower and hide in our holes because sooner or later it will be our turn to be on the receiving end.

[Pappu Paanwala]

To continue,

One is reminded of the German Pastor Martin Niemöller who wrote about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

His 1976 Poem is so suited on us ...


    In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist;

    And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist;

    And then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew;

    And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up

[KudosBot]

Aafia’s sister rejects US charges



By Our Staff Reporter

Dr Fauzia Siddiqui, a sister of Dr Aafia Siddiqui who is in US custody, and Iqbal Haider, secretary general of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, have dismissed as a pack of lies FBI’s claim of having found Dr Aafia possessing documents about preparing chemical weapons.

Addressing a press conference here on Tuesday, they called upon the government and all political and religious parties to rise and stop persecution of Dr Aafia and try to get her and her children released and brought back home because they did not expect justice in a US court.

They distributed among journalists copies of the “charge-sheet” against Dr Aafia presented to a US magistrate judge in New York.

Dr Fauzia said that her sister had been tortured for five years until the day the US authorities announced that they had found her in Afghanistan. This showed how they had abused their authority and tortured an innocent woman.

“The FBI on July 31 and August 1 confirmed that Aafia is injured and alive and is in custody in Afghanistan” and now it has been stated that she has been shifted to the US.

Dr Fauzia pointed out that an FBI agent had told the US court in an affidavit that Afghan police officers of Ghazni province had found Aafia along with a teenage boy outside the Ghazni governor’s compound.

She said it was a joke because a woman who had disappeared while on way to the airport in Karachi to take a flight for Rawalpindi in March 2003 had been found five years later in Ghazni.

Demanding information about her three children, she said that her relatives in the US who wanted to fight her case were being denied access to her.

She said there was little hope of her sister getting a fair trial in the US, adding that she feared for her life.

Dr Fauzia also said that Aafia was not a neurobiologist, but had specialised in helping mentally retarded children to improve their memory.

Answering a question, she said that she and her relatives had met the relevant authorities in Pakistan soon after Aafia’s abduction and they promised that she would be released soon, but all of it turned out to be farce.

She also said that members of her family had been receiving anonymous calls threatening them of consequences if they spoke about Aafia.

Mr Iqbal Haider pointed out that the US State Department and FBI lied when they denied that Aafia was in their custody, but only a few days after admitting that she was in their custody they came up with false charges against her.

He said that “US and Pakistani authorities have been callous and ruthless who abducted and illegally confined her in total disregard of universal human rights charter”.

He said that the charges against Dr Aafia were nothing but a pack of lies and most significant of them was about her obtaining an M-4 rifle even while in custody and using it against US officials.

Why was she charged with possessing documents about chemical weapons now and why was she not tried five years ago when she had been abducted?, he asked.

He termed it an act of outright victimisation and terrorism by the US which championed the cause of war against terrorism.

[must7]

To continue,

One is reminded of the German Pastor Martin Niemöller who wrote about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

His 1976 Poem is so suited on us ...


In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up

Pappu : Post of the day.

[JANA]

Dr Afia's picture before  abduction in 2001-2





And now, after facing five years of torture in US custody:




This miserable condition is not only for her but for every Pakistani and Muslim.

:(

This shows the true face of US, US fake democracy and US values. This shows how much US FBI has tortured Dr  Afia

[Wohi]

Tum Faujiyon nai amreeki $ aur military aid kai liyay humarai mulk ki baitiyan aur maayein taq baich deen ...  abhee bhee sharam nhee aati ... fauji hakoomat aur musharraf ki abhee bhee humayat kertai ho ... sharam kero...

[Tropicana]

This shows the true face of US, US fake democracy and US values. This shows how much US FBI has tortured Dr  Afia

As I have said before, one should never expect US to be angels......what is more saddening their torture is the fact that some officers in Pakistan kidnapped her and handed her over to the US, and threatened her mother against speaking on the case.............

Ideally such prisoners would have been rescued Mossad style by the ISI while they were in Afghanistan,.....but maybe it wouldnt have been possible.

After 9/11, Pakistan had to withdraw support for Taleban as US would have definitely bombed otherwise. However, were such kidnappings really necessary? Would the US have bombed Pakistan if they didnt hand such prisoners over before having a trial inside Pakistan?

There are plenty of people in Muslim world who think in lines of "come on, how would it harm us if we sell a few jahil mullahs for dollars, money is everything etc etc."

[Wohi]

The issue is this .... people are presumed guilty WITHOUT trial... taken away by secret agencies with active collaboration of ISI ... and sold of to foreign agencies so that puppet military rulers keep the support of Washington and London ...and remain in power ... this is the price of military Government .... face it ... Musharraf  even sold Pakistan's sisters and mothers to remain in power .. this is the price of military domination of Pakistan

[complicated]

musharraf is a pimp of our mothers , sisters
shame on us we cannot gun him down

[complicated]

this is so terrible i am ashamed of my self  too , shame on us we cannt do a sh1t abt this

let thr be a war

[must7]

Tum Faujiyon nai amreeki $ aur military aid kai liyay humarai mulk ki baitiyan aur maayein taq baich deen ... abhee bhee sharam nhee aati ... fauji hakoomat aur musharraf ki abhee bhee humayat kertai ho ... sharam kero...

Mianjee .. to aaap hi koyi naya naam day dein !

Complicated : You are on a respected forum, you don't have to indulge in abusive literature, especially when you are talking about our President.