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[saleemraja]

Hindu army is so used to massacring unarmed civilians they Shi*t themselves when someone fires at them. It was probably fire crackers that scared them from the Chinese side of the border.

[AL-khalid]

About bloody time ... need more of this. One rat sent to hell more to follow !  

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

The question at the top - was there a unilateral ceasefire with India? I thought it was bilateral or something, is this a mistake - could someone clarify.

w/salaam

[Aliph Ahmed]

Only if the Indian didnt give away his position by start running away tempting Pakistanis to target his ass which resulted in his death.

Loss of life is regretable but issue of Kashmir in the world press (against the Indian government's wish)  is very welcoming.

[Alkhalid-19]

Give a Fuckk of India and his Soldiers  kill so much you can !

[Captain Bribes]

I hope the bullet was coated with animal fat and it hit the Hindu right in the chops!

[THE FIGHTING FALCON]

i wonder what these ......... have to say about the hundreds of people killed in pakistan thanks to their own funded militant organizations...plus theyve returned the dead bodies of two innocent civilians to us...killing one soldier is not a big deal!

[Aliph Ahmed]

i wonder what these ......... have to say about the hundreds of people killed in pakistan thanks to their own funded militant organizations...plus theyve returned the dead bodies of two innocent civilians to us...killing one soldier is not a big deal!

Resurface of Kashmir dispute news in world media is a big deal.

[SUNNY92]

i wonder what these ......... have to say about the hundreds of people killed in pakistan thanks to their own funded militant organizations...plus theyve returned the dead bodies of two innocent civilians to us...killing one soldier is not a big deal!

But in Indian Kashmir, Indian soldiers are killig their seniors,  their own collagues and some-times them selves!

[SUNNY92]

If you think you can pre-empt me so i don't lift the lid on other Indian failures, then my friend your dwelings must be in a fools paradise!
In the mean time not accounting for any silly expressions your attention should be on social and political issues forum.

Regards

[Saqr]

Maybe it is an eye for an eye action for the Pakistani civilians killed in India.

[platinum786]

The ceasefire never suited us anyway, since then they have been fencing the LoC. Furthermore we could have difused some militant tension by sending them to Kashmir.

Edited by platinum786, 25 May 2008 - 11:01 AM.

[xFalvira]

I hope the bullet was coated with animal fat and it hit the Hindu right in the chops!

a nice idea indeed. i hope indian army commanders use ur magnificent idea

One rat sent to hell more to follow !

now since some guys have called indian army as hindu army(forgetting that there are a lot of muslims, sikhs and christians...even buddhists in it) i think how far ur post is true cuz AFAIK, there is no hell in hinduism.

[bojangles]

The ceasefire never suited us anyway, since then they have been fencing the LoC. Furthermore we could have difused some militant tension by sending them to Kashmir.

That's actually a pretty good idea.  Wonder if the militants would agree to it or not....

[Guang150]

About bloody time ... need more of this. One rat sent to hell more to follow !  

You should learn to respect your enemy.You might end up one day in front of his barrel

[SurvivoR]

don't worry Guang150... we have been facing the barrel of the enemy long before even Pakistan came into being and we have learnt how to live with it... time to return the favor.

I suggest you post the same suggestion on Bharatrakshak popularly known as bakbak ratshit forum as well. :)

[kaka007]

now since some guys have called indian army as hindu army(forgetting that there are a lot of muslims, sikhs and christians...even buddhists in it) i think how far ur post is true cuz AFAIK, there is no hell in hinduism.

But I doubt if Muslims are in any appropriate positions in Indian Army at all.
Well you tell us honestly if Muslims in India are holding any key security positions at all. Or if they are being  recruited in the army or in Police or in any other security organization or even in Civil Service, according to their proportion of population.


Your answer will be NO, if it is yes give us a link.

Muslims in the Indian army, only 2% ?

March 6, 2007 by CyberGandhi

Muslims in Army : Hiding what`s well-known

The reason for the Muslim under-representation in the Indian army, or the Sikh over-representation, is something that lies partly in history, and its public disclosure would harm nobody.

There’s something surreal about India’s debate on Muslim under-representation in the Indian army. If the defence minister says the army has done no head-count of its Muslims, how did the army give an exact Muslim figure of 29,093 last month? The figure is backed by a retired lieutenant-general who says the Muslims are 2 per cent.

Whatever the exact percentage, a huge Muslim under-representation in our army is a fact. So is a huge Sikh over-representation. See the contrast. Sikhs form 1.86 per cent of India’s population but number around 8 per cent in the Indian army. Muslims form 13 per cent of India’s population but are 2 per cent in the army. Why should this truth about Muslim under-representation be suppressed? Or that of Sikh over-representation? But an irrational love of secrecy causes Indian rulers to hide information whose public disclosure would harm nobody.

Just as Muslims are under-represented in the army, so are the Bengalis, Biharis, Oriyas, south Indians or Gujaratis. And just as Sikhs are over-represented, so are the Jats, Dogras, Garhwalis, Kumaonis, Gurkhas, Marathas, Pathans and Punjabis.

The reason for this disparity lies in history. The Indian army’s recruitment pattern was set 150 years ago by India’s 1857 uprising. Traumatised by the rebellion, the British army adopted a recruitment policy that punished the groups which rebelled and rewarded the ones that stayed loyal. Because Muslims of Awadh, Bihar and West Bengal led the uprising, the British army stopped hiring soldiers from these areas.

Also blacklisted from these places were high-caste Hindus whose regiments in Bengal had also mutinied. In contrast, the British raised the recruitment of castes that had stood by the British to put down the uprising. These castes were the Sikhs, the Jats, Dogras, Garhwalis, Kumaonis, Gurkhas, Marathas, Pathans, plus Punjabis, both Hindus and Muslims. Honoured as martial races, they received preferential treatment in army recruitment for the next 90 years. Like any institution, the Indian army’s a prisoner of the past.

Even today, it favours enlisting men from the martial races. Their over-representation in the Indian army is huge. Figures bear this out. Of 2.87 lakh jawans hired by the army in the last three years, a disproportionate 44,471 came from three “martial” states, Punjab, Haryana, and the mountain state of Uttaranchal. So these states which account for 5 per cent of India’s population provided 15 per cent of India’s army jawans.

In contrast, the fewest recruits came from “non-martial” West Bengal, Bihar and Gujarat. These three states account for 30 per cent of India’s population, but they provided only 14 per cent of army jawans in this three-year period. So the Indian army has not only a religion-based disparity in recruitment, but also one based on caste and region. A glimpse of this discrimination was provided by a press release issued by a defence office in Jammu five years ago. Seeking recruits for the Indian army, the press release said: “No vacancies for Muslims and tradesmen.” Meaning that martial Dogras were welcome to apply, but not Hindu business castes like the Baniyas and the Khatris.

About the Muslim under-representation in the Indian army, the reasons are three. One was Partition. Before Independence, Muslims were around 25 per cent of the Indian army and 25 per cent of undivided India. But when India broke up and Muslim soldiers were asked to choose between India and Pakistan, they joined Pakistan en masse. So Muslim numbers in the Indian army dropped so drastically that they were only 2 per cent in 1953, according to India’s then minister of state for defence. Jawaharlal Nehru himself expressed concern that “hardly any Muslims” were left in the army. And Muslim numbers never really picked up in the last 60 years for a well-known reason.

India’s military establishment hesitates to hire Muslims as soldiers because it suspects Muslim loyalty to India. This discrimination is a natural outcome of India and Pakistan’s bitter hostility over 60 years. In similar situations, the same thing happens all over the world. The Israeli army doesn’t trust its Arab soldiers in jobs related to defence security. The Buddhist Sinhalese army under-recruits its Hindu Tamils lest their sympathies lie with the Tamil Tigers. After 9/11, US army recruiters would probably screen a Muslim American volunteer more thoroughly than a Christian American. Thanks to our four wars with Pakistan, the same anti-Muslim animus works here in army recruitment.

Proof of it lies in an enormous mass of documentary and other evidence which expresses distrust of Muslims. Otherwise, why does India have separate regiments for the Sikhs, Jats, Dogras, Garhwalis, Kumaonis, Mahars, the Nagas, even the Gurkhas, but not a single Muslim regiment? This is tragic but it’s a truth which shouldn’t be suppressed. It should be acknowledged and dealt with.

Events have consequences. Muslim under-recruitment in the Indian army is a consequence of Partition. India and Pakistan’s hostility is seen in both countries in Hindu versus Muslim terms. So it’s natural for India’s Hindu army establishment to distrust a Muslim who wants to join as a soldier.

This prejudice itself discourages qualified Muslim youths from applying, which drives down Muslim numbers even more. Another reason for Muslim under-recruitment is the relatively poor education of Muslims. When they try to enlist as soldiers, they are simply out-competed by better-educated Sikh, Hindu, and Christian youths. So Muslim leaders are quite right that Muslim under-recruitment in the army deprives the community of a good, life-long source of employment. It’s a sad situation not so easy to correct.

In life, however, one man’s meat is another man’s poison. The under-representation of Muslims and other caste or regional groups benefits the over-represented ones. The composition of the Indian army is totally askew numbers-wise. West Bengal’s population is eight times that of Uttaranchal. But Uttaranchal provided almost the same number of army recruits as West Bengal last year. Compare a “martial” Punjab with a non-martial Gujarat. Punjab’s population is half that of Gujarat. But it provided four times as many people to the Indian army as Gujarat. The Indian army hired far more recruits in Rajasthan than in Tamil Nadu though Tamil Nadu’s population is higher. Essentially, the Indian army is dominated numbers-wise by Sikhs and Hindi-speaking Hindus of north India. The current status quo suits them perfectly.

Arvind Kala / New Delhi March 04, 2006, Business Standard

http://escapefromindia.wordpress.com/2007/...an-army-only-2/

[_killuminati_]

there is no hell in hinduism.

If that is so, then why are there Bhagavad Gita narrations of Arjuna explicitly being told about what type of people will dwell in hell?

[qazser]

The ceasefire never suited us anyway, since then they have been fencing the LoC. Furthermore we could have difused some militant tension by sending them to Kashmir.

When will you realise the double edged sword 'Jihad' has hurt you more than us. What you see happenning in Pakistan these days is the same brand of Jihad that you once unleashed upon us. Jihad hasn't delivered you one inch of Indian ruled Kashmir. Jihad hasn't stopped India from becoming the second fastest growing economy in the world. Jihad has failed. It's amusing that you still have hopes.

[kmc]

When will you realise the double edged sword 'Jihad' has hurt you more than us. What you see happenning in Pakistan these days is the same brand of Jihad that you once unleashed upon us. Jihad hasn't delivered you one inch of Indian ruled Kashmir. Jihad hasn't stopped India from becoming the second fastest growing economy in the world. Jihad has failed. It's amusing that you still have hopes.

Earlier, Jihad brought USA close to Pakistan & distanced USSR.

Now, Jihad brought USA in to Pakistan & nearer to Russia.

Acutally my question is who looking after the Law & Order of Pakistan - USA or Democracy of Pakistan elected by the people of Pakistan.

Every time a bomb blasts in India. GOI says ISI behind it.
Every time a bomb blasts in Pakistan GOP says RAW behind it.

who is telling the truth and who is telling the lie, saying this is very difficult becuase interests of many big nations is lays with us.

People of both nation should not forget the front line of British rule in South Aisa i.e., "Divide & Rule" if i am not wrong USA is doing the same.

[_killuminati_]

People of both nation should not forget the front line of British rule in South Aisa i.e., "Divide & Rule" if i am not wrong USA is doing the same.

As much as I want to, I am certain that this is irreversible. And this is the main reason as to why I hate the West, particularly US & UK, so much.

This is the standard doctrine used by the West. Everywhere they go, they leave behind multiple parties in dispute.

[croeso]

Looks like things aren't going the way Indian government wanted them to go (with all the Hindu-Christian violence, floods, etc etc), that's why they thought it'd be a good idea to propagate that "oh, look Pakistanis just shot one of our soldiers", otherwise, normally, nobody used to shout about 1 of their soldiers being shot. Over the LOC, that used to be a bit common

[Perilious`MAD]

now since some guys have called indian army as hindu army(forgetting that there are a lot of muslims, sikhs and christians...even buddhists in it) i think how far ur post is true cuz AFAIK, there is no hell in hinduism.

then why does ur effing bollywood keeps screaming about narkh????

[Alkhalid-19]

[quote name='kmc' date='Sep 26 2008, 04:50 PM' post='1088141']
Earlier, Jihad brought USA close to Pakistan & distanced USSR.

Now, Jihad brought USA in to Pakistan & nearer to Russia.

Jihad was also in pakistan before USA brought it ! against indian Soldiers in Kashmir since Pakistan was born !

[SUNNY92]

When will you realise the double edged sword 'Jihad' has hurt you more than us. What you see happenning in Pakistan these days is the same brand of Jihad that you once unleashed upon us. Jihad hasn't delivered you one inch of Indian ruled Kashmir. Jihad hasn't stopped India from becoming the second fastest growing economy in the world. Jihad has failed. It's amusing that you still have hopes.

You are totally out of cotext in your abreviation of Jihad,

Jihad is not a source drain which can effect or boast economy,

You can't distinguish Jihad with diagrams or measure it's performance with index charts.

Jihad can be accompolished in different manifestos as against literacy, poverty, supression, and for self determination.

How ever having said that, the end result could always be different. If it hasn't gained an inch of ground, but then it has kept half a million Indian soldiers

pretty well occupied, can you imagine the logistics nightmare and the resources that are being eaten up.

If nothing else, the Kashmir issue has kept India at an arms length from the UNSC.

[Guang150]

The ceasefire never suited us anyway, since then they have been fencing the LoC. Furthermore we could have difused some militant tension by sending them to Kashmir.

With Respect,
If the ceasefire were to be broken,it would very quickly turn into a full-fledged war,
I seriously doubt that Pakistans frontline would last long.
Indian defence establishment is much better coordinated and has been upgrading it's support and logistican capabilities.
Furthermore i think the US might use this as an advantage to send in more troops and gunships inside pakistan with the excuse to hunt down militants.

[SUNNY92]

With Respect,
If the ceasefire were to be broken,it would very quickly turn into a full-fledged war,
I seriously doubt that Pakistans frontline would last long.
Indian defence establishment is much better coordinated and has been upgrading it's support and logistican capabilities.
Furthermore i think the US might use this as an advantage to send in more troops and gunships inside pakistan with the excuse to hunt down militants.

Bollywod makes a lot of movies, and some good moral boasters for their public's consumption, but reality is some what different, hence>>>>>>>>>>

My friend, you will be surprised. !!!!!!!!

[Siddharth]

Bollywod makes a lot of movies, and some good moral boasters for their public's consumption, but reality is some what different, hence>>>>>>>>>>

My friend, you will be surprised. !!!!!!!!

well we are actually surprised, already.

This cease fire was a blessing in disguise for both countries. Instead of spending millions per day on useless shelling, firing and a dozen dead every week, there is peace now. This money can be used anywhere for development and hundreds of families are happy.

From a laptop its easy to say lets break the ceasefire, ever thought of jawans who used to spend everyday on border thinking this might be their last day.

we want blood, we want war.... but how many will come from their comfort zone in europe and US to fight war on border and sacrifice their loved ones.

[SUNNY92]

well we are actually surprised, already.

This cease fire was a blessing in disguise for both countries. Instead of spending millions per day on useless shelling, firing and a dozen dead every week, there is peace now. This money can be used anywhere for development and hundreds of families are happy.

From a laptop its easy to say lets break the ceasefire, ever thought of jawans who used to spend everyday on border thinking this might be their last day.

we want blood, we want war.... but how many will come from their comfort zone in europe and US to fight war on border and sacrifice their loved ones.

I will surprise you even more by stating that there are no winners in a war, and it should be the last option.

How ever unfortunatley, in certain circumstances, it remains the only option. !!!

[Jag]

I will surprise you even more by stating that there are no winners in a war, and it should be the last option.

How ever unfortunatley, in certain circumstances, it remains the only option. !!!

And your contribution toward this war cause is? Other then time spend on your laptop to write silly comments, why don't to go back to Pakistan and fight for your country? Pakistan need people like you more then anybody, especially in times like this where every afford of there citizen helps to make the country a better place.

Its easy to say when you are out of the country, ask your friends and family (if any are still in Pakistan) what it takes to be on ground or experience shelling on borders. Consider yourself luck, but greedy too.

Just few line of Patriotism means nothing, those are all empty words, if you want to do something be there on the ground.

[SUNNY92]

And your contribution toward this war cause is? Other then time spend on your laptop to write silly comments, why don't to go back to Pakistan and fight for your country? Pakistan need people like you more then anybody, especially in times like this where every afford of there citizen helps to make the country a better place.

Its easy to say when you are out of the country, ask your friends and family (if any are still in Pakistan) what it takes to be on ground or experience shelling on borders. Consider yourself luck, but greedy too.

Just few line of Patriotism means nothing, those are all empty words, if you want to do something be there on the ground.

Well Jag, in your case it's pot calling the kettle black. If I write silly comments,then you are contributing cheap banter.
There is no limit on being patriotic, and you don't have to prove to be one, specially when you are addressing over the internet.
Although you are contradicting your own statement, however you can even serve your country from where ever you are based.
Most Pakistanis living abroad contribute to the country's economy, which in case you missed 90 minutes, is an other major issue facing Pakistan.
We are merely arm chair Generals, habitually deliver statements for self consumption and ventilation, what ever we state doesn't makes the slightest difference in the power corridors. In any case if you are willing to put your money where your mouth is and agree to support and sponsor me, then I'll take
the first flight to Pakistan, and as soon as I reach there I'll run to the border with all guns blazing.

[saint]

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Soldier killed in firing at army post on LOC

[Jag]

Well Jag, in your case it's pot calling the kettle black. If I write silly comments,then you are contributing cheap banter.
There is no limit on being patriotic, and you don't have to prove to be one, specially when you are addressing over the internet.
Although you are contradicting your own statement, however you can even serve your country from where ever you are based.
Most Pakistanis living abroad contribute to the country's economy, which in case you missed 90 minutes, is an other major issue facing Pakistan.
We are merely arm chair Generals, habitually deliver statements for self consumption and ventilation, what ever we state doesn't makes the slightest difference in the power corridors. In any case if you are willing to put your money where your mouth is and agree to support and sponsor me, then I'll take
the first flight to Pakistan, and as soon as I reach there I'll run to the border with all guns blazing.

My point is, ground reality is very different then what we see and understand, it is easy for people like you and me to say war is the only option being so far from our respective country, we will never feel that pain of those families who have lost there loved ones in cross fire both civilians and army, that is true on both sides of the border.

If we take some different approach, especially cease fire is respected by both sides there is lot to gain for our people on both side of the border.

WAR is not the option, and will never be, does not matter how bad things get.

[SUNNY92]

My point is, ground reality is very different then what we see and understand, it is easy for people like you and me to say war is the only option being so far from our respective country, we will never feel that pain of those families who have lost there loved ones in cross fire both civilians and army, that is true on both sides of the border.

If we take some different approach, especially cease fire is respected by both sides there is lot to gain for our people on both side of the border.

WAR is not the option, and will never be, does not matter how bad things get.

In good old days, the belief was if someone strikes you on the right side, then turn the left side to embarass them, but now adays a smack to the right follows

by a punch to the nose and kicks to the groin. War is never the solution, but never the less, it's sometimes thrusted upon you.

Was Sadam Hussain a threat to America, ? Did the abduction of two soldiers contained enough logic for Israel to destroy half of Lebanon. ?

Has the welcome cease fire between India/Pakistan proved any worth while substance. ? Agreed no funerals have been taking place, but the mutual core

issues remain paralyzed, more over India has turned off taps to water supply, and more evidence is emerging of India's involvement in the proxy war in the

Baluchistan provence. As much as we would like, these issues will simply not disappear into thin air, and sooner or later will come to head.!!!

[Amjad]

Wasn't it India that got involved in East Pakistan in early 1970s, and it wasn't a disputed territory b/w Pakistan and India like Kashmir to begin with?

[Guang150]

Well Jag, in your case it's pot calling the kettle black. If I write silly comments,then you are contributing cheap banter.
There is no limit on being patriotic, and you don't have to prove to be one, specially when you are addressing over the internet.
Although you are contradicting your own statement, however you can even serve your country from where ever you are based.
Most Pakistanis living abroad contribute to the country's economy, which in case you missed 90 minutes, is an other major issue facing Pakistan.
We are merely arm chair Generals, habitually deliver statements for self consumption and ventilation, what ever we state doesn't makes the slightest difference in the power corridors. In any case if you are willing to put your money where your mouth is and agree to support and sponsor me, then I'll take
the first flight to Pakistan, and as soon as I reach there I'll run to the border with all guns blazing.

Agreed it will not make any difference whatever is said here.
There will only be the usual anti-india and anti-pakistan banter nothing else.

[rockingwarrior]

Check the body if that soldier's pants were wet. if they were it must be a fire cracker that killed him or at most an un armed kashmiri mujahid saying Booo! to him