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Posted 21 August 2007 - 01:31 PM
What kind of submarines are we talking about - SSK, SSBN, SSGN, SSN?
Im a big fan of the RNs SSN Astute Class, i hear thats some powerful hardware, in regards to SSKs i would vote for Japans Oyashio and Swedens Gotlands
Im a big fan of the RNs SSN Astute Class, i hear thats some powerful hardware, in regards to SSKs i would vote for Japans Oyashio and Swedens Gotlands
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 02:56 PM
Whichever ones your taking about its the US all the way.
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 03:53 PM
I heard that Britain is developing a beastly nuclear sub, saw a show on the History Channel. If I find any news I can will link it up.
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 04:03 PM
Germany is the best and the oldest sub maker. They are second to none in Sub making.
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 04:04 PM
If Nuclear then USA.
If Electric Diesel then Germany followed very closely by France.
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 06:46 PM
nuclear - US
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 07:44 PM
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nuclear - US
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diesel - Japan/Australia
I heard the Australian Colin class submarines were mired with problems.
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 08:52 PM
No one mention Russian sub. i think Russian nuclear subs are best
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US is two generation ahead in nuclear tech and sensors for submarines from other advanced countries like Russia and France. But as they dont make SSK, it is lead by France and Germany.
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Posted 23 August 2007 - 06:27 AM
What are the prospects of Pakistan making a nuke sub? I have been hearing rumours about these and rumours do have some basis in truth so...
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Posted 23 August 2007 - 07:42 AM
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Whichever ones your taking about its the US all the way.
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in SSK-capability u.s.a is not very advanced
but i agree with ur statement.
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Posted 23 August 2007 - 10:41 PM
i have a question...what is the use of pakistan having nuclear submarines?...i know it has longer distance but wat is the use in battle?...is it undetectable?...or wat...if someone can answer that...
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Posted 23 August 2007 - 11:44 PM
nueclear USA
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Posted 24 August 2007 - 04:06 PM
Nuclear submarines the US hands down and for large diesel subs.
For small diesel subs i would say Germany.
The US has the best subs overral nuclear and diesel thats why i voted US.
For small diesel subs i would say Germany.
The US has the best subs overral nuclear and diesel thats why i voted US.
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Posted 24 August 2007 - 04:55 PM
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i have a question...what is the use of pakistan having nuclear submarines?...i know it has longer distance but wat is the use in battle?...is it undetectable?...or wat...if someone can answer that...
If it is a proper nuclear sub (meaning a modern one) you will be able to stay submerged for a very long time. The reason Pakistan might want one is that if they can make Babur sub launched then they can have a legible 2nd strike for their nuclear warheads. This will create more deterence for anyone that might think about attacking Pakistan.
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Posted 24 August 2007 - 07:49 PM
I seriously think the Japanese make great subamrines. I've heard great things about the Oyashio-class subs. Sweden too, very quiet SSKs. I'll vote for Germany though since I think they have some of the best SSKs in the world, and look at how many U-209s and U-214s you have in the world.
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Nuclear submarines the US hands down and for large diesel subs.
For small diesel subs i would say Germany.
The US has the best subs overral nuclear and diesel thats why i voted US.
For small diesel subs i would say Germany.
The US has the best subs overral nuclear and diesel thats why i voted US.
The last time the US made a diesel submarine was back in WWII. The US leads in the nuke sub field, but are far behind in the diesel-electric submarine field.
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The last time the US made a diesel submarine was back in WWII. The US leads in the nuke sub field, but are far behind in the diesel-electric submarine field.
y would they want to make diesel submarines?...i don't think they have a use for them...well i asked wat else is speciality of a nuclear submarine except being submerged in water soo long...like does it have more capabilities...i think PN needs nuclear submarines in the next 10 years and should be included in there moderization program...
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Where's Japanese? Their diesel submarines are much more advanced than China's and Russia's.
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Where's Japanese? Their diesel submarines are much more advanced than China's and Russia's.
would Russia need diesal submarines...they have nuclear submarines...so i don't they care...
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WHy pak need a nuke sub?
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The American Seawolf class are the most powerful submarines in the world. Alongwith that the American Virginia and 688I and 688II classes also remain among the world's best. The only submarines which can compare to Virginia and 688's are the Royal Navy Trafalgar and Astute classes and Russian Akula II.
However the Seawolf is superior to all of these.
However the Seawolf is superior to all of these.
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Posted 09 September 2007 - 05:27 PM
Except for propulsion and minor design changes, a nuke powered submarine isnt much different from a diesel powered sub specially the electronics.
With the superiority in electronics and sub design that US has, it would be very easy for US to apply that knowledge in a diesel sub.
So I dare say that if US were to build a conventional powered sub for its own navy, it could turn out to be the best sub in the world.
With the superiority in electronics and sub design that US has, it would be very easy for US to apply that knowledge in a diesel sub.
So I dare say that if US were to build a conventional powered sub for its own navy, it could turn out to be the best sub in the world.
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The American Seawolf class are the most powerful submarines in the world. Alongwith that the American Virginia and 688I and 688II classes also remain among the world's best. The only submarines which can compare to Virginia and 688's are the Royal Navy Trafalgar and Astute classes and Russian Akula II.
However the Seawolf is superior to all of these.
However the Seawolf is superior to all of these.
the Astute once it is inducted will be the most advanced sub in the world....(that's not just me saying that but people intimately involved in the development programme).
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The Swedish Gotland's are superb machines. I believe they use a sterling engine for propulsion. They're so good the US navy leased one for a couple of years, apparently to practice ASW against a super-quiet non-nuclear sub.
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I honestly don't know... but when it comes to the Navy Britian is always a good bet.
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No one mention Russian sub. i think Russian nuclear subs are best
I can give you pages and pages of evidence proving that Rusky nuclear subs suck, like all the rest of their indigenous creations. But, of course, I don't have time. So let's just say the Russian submarines are full of problems, particularly the nuclear reactors they house.
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why not Pakistan buy submarine from China ?
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why not Pakistan buy submarine from China ?
because the chinese are still perfecting their sub technology and , with all due respect to any chinese here, their sub technology hasn't been very impressive until perhaps very recently.
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At think point and time we shouldnt buy Submarine from them China, for Subs we should look West I think its a while before Chinese Subs will be good.
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Chinese Yuan class SSK is a good sub but it doesnot not fit in PN keeping in view the Indian procurments of Scorpien SSK.U-214 is best sub to join PN and it will continue the sub advantage of PN in SA.Agosta-90B were with TOT and now U-214s will also be with TOT.PN had learn alot by Agosta program and will learn more by U-214 project.In future after 2015 there is a possibility that Pakistan and China will start a JV to develop a submarine.Chinese tech will also improve during that time and PN knowing western latest tech will assure a quality and modern submarine project between Pakistan and China.
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 04:19 PM
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Chinese Yuan class SSK is a good sub but it doesnot not fit in PN keeping in view the Indian procurments of Scorpien SSK.U-214 is best sub to join PN and it will continue the sub advantage of PN in SA.Agosta-90B were with TOT and now U-214s will also be with TOT.PN had learn alot by Agosta program and will learn more by U-214 project.In future after 2015 there is a possibility that Pakistan and China will start a JV to develop a submarine.Chinese tech will also improve during that time and PN knowing western latest tech will assure a quality and modern submarine project between Pakistan and China.
Ya the Sino-Pak defense relationship is solid. It is actually quite smart what they are doing. China is building a domestic arena to build products, and so is Pakistan. China is getting tech from Russia, and we are getting tech from the West. So in the end we will have the knowledge of both sides and can make a very high quality product. It may not work in the short run, but is a brilliant plan for the long.
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as far as SSk capabilities go, germany is head & shoulders above the rest.
having said that i must confess that the chinese r fast catching up
as far as SSk capabilities go, germany is head & shoulders above the rest.
having said that i must confess that the chinese r fast catching up
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as far as SSk capabilities go, germany is head & shoulders above the rest.
having said that i must confess that the chinese r fast catching up
as far as SSk capabilities go, germany is head & shoulders above the rest.
having said that i must confess that the chinese r fast catching up
Smart thing then that we are buying our subs from Germany, and are getting full ToT. It will help us, and China in that field.
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I honestly don't know... but when it comes to the Navy Britian is always a good bet.
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 11:05 AM
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as far as SSk capabilities go, germany is head & shoulders above the rest.
having said that i must confess that the chinese r fast catching up
as far as SSk capabilities go, germany is head & shoulders above the rest.
having said that i must confess that the chinese r fast catching up
Mmm, you're underrating the Swedes, really. Dutch subs are not too shabby either. It's just that we don't manage to sell them, so it get to expensive to develop any new ones. Same goes for Sweden. This is what the Germans do well, they sell and licence so they can keep developing new models. Same for France. Uk made Upholder class, which are good, but did not continue SSK. Japan is a serious, very experienced player in this field too. As are the Russians. Lucky the japanese don't export. So, choice essentially is between the Germans, French and Russians. Germans are more advanced, Russians more creative. French in between.
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Posted 14 October 2007 - 08:33 PM
QUOTE(penguin @ Oct 9 2007, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mmm, you're underrating the Swedes, really. Dutch subs are not too shabby either. It's just that we don't manage to sell them, so it get to expensive to develop any new ones. Same goes for Sweden. This is what the Germans do well, they sell and licence so they can keep developing new models. Same for France. Uk made Upholder class, which are good, but did not continue SSK. Japan is a serious, very experienced player in this field too. As are the Russians. Lucky the japanese don't export. So, choice essentially is between the Germans, French and Russians. Germans are more advanced, Russians more creative. French in between.
i would say that the Russian subs are just cheap and also overly advertised and over hyped (also having the ability to fire Club raised its profile). In terms of accoustic performance, still not as good as the Western ones.
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多情剑客 Amorous killer
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Posted 17 October 2007 - 10:15 PM
QUOTE(aziqbal @ Sep 23 2007, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At think point and time we shouldnt buy Submarine from them China, for Subs we should look West I think its a while before Chinese Subs will be good.
Yeath ,By that time china & Pakistan can benifit from each other,but now i think especialy this recent years china SSk become better than before,pakistan
should be keep believe to china.
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