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[blueazure]

just a joke ceaser my mate..

[gnak]

safdar, on 17 May 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

That is what appears to be coronal mass ejection, the reason why you see a dark silhouette is because they’ve used a high intensity ultraviolet imaging telescope, some wavelengths get filtered out hence the confusion of an object to naked eye. of course the scientists still probably don’t know what constituents make up that bit of the plasma, so anything could be said at this moment.

if u watch the video u can see the object is stationary as the sun rotates, even as a cme goes past it

and as the object departs it creates a wake on the sun's surface, when the tether disconnects

[safdar]

gnak, on 19 May 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

if u watch the video u can see the object is stationary as the sun rotates, even as a cme goes past it

and as the object departs it creates a wake on the sun's surface, when the tether disconnects

you sure about that gnak. An observer would percieve that, however would'nt that be plasma clouds (crona) we see? I'm not disputing that the above is not a phenomenon, but its the telescopes used to capture that footage which is more at play, its the wavelengths we dont see that are dark. It just seems to me like a bubble of gas.

[gnak]

safdar, on 19 May 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

you sure about that gnak. An observer would percieve that, however would'nt that be plasma clouds (crona) we see? I'm not disputing that the above is not a phenomenon, but its the telescopes used to capture that footage which is more at play, its the wavelengths we dont see that are dark. It just seems to me like a bubble of gas.

wateva it is plasma clouds is something i can be sure its not

first u said "telescopes used to capture that footage which is more at play" say its optical illusion

but theres more than 1 footage using different filters and they all show pretty much the same thing

and if its plasma cloud like u say, doesnt explain the tether from the object or the wake on the surface of the sun as it departs



nasa calls it a corona cavity this video in spanish with eng subs argues otherwise

[safdar]

No, I meant, that the sun's rotation is probably the crona movement on the surface, however, watching the 2nd video you posted it was there for 80 hours. But that itself is a long time on an M class sun. Also I did'nt mean optical illusion but becuase the telescope is to pick up a certain wavelength only, then other wavelengths would just seem dark, becuase if the telescope cant detect it, we cant see it. I think there is strong magnetic activity within the sphere, once the technology is advanced we will know what it could actually be.

basically it's a crona cavity thats what the video says, so I wasnt too far off then.

[gnak]

the same mysterious sphere object is back? this time it deflects filament from a solar eruption

nasa gonna have a hard time explaining this

the coronal cavity excuse wont suffice this time around

[Caesar]

A question specially to Gnak.

I have been analysing and the thing that has stood out for me is called the Natural Laws of the Universe. The law that appears to be the most common is that there is always a predator who is on top of the food chain. Example on Earth Humans are on top of the food chain, they are the supreme predator.

My question is when people die and their souls are liberated in the Universe IS THERE A CHANCE THAT THERE ARE PREDATORS THAT EXIST IN THE UNIVERSE WHO FEAST ON HUMAN SOULS??

[sobank]

and my question is since when u started believing in souls:-)  scientifically speeking soul doesnt exist. :-)  and if soul does exists then the existence of maker is possible hence th existence of prophets and religion and so on. :-)

[gnak]

Caesar, on 30 May 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

My question is when people die and their souls are liberated in the Universe IS THERE A CHANCE THAT THERE ARE PREDATORS THAT EXIST IN THE UNIVERSE WHO FEAST ON HUMAN SOULS??

i don't think a soul can be eaten, my view is u cant kill something thats supposed to be eternal

on the subject of that, the soul can be assimilated

sobank, on 30 May 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

and my question is since when u started believing in souls:-)  scientifically speeking soul doesnt exist. :-)  and if soul does exists then the existence of maker is possible hence th existence of prophets and religion and so on. :-)

at exact moment of death the body looses 21 grams which some ppl attribute to the soul exiting the body

plus there are many well documented cases of ppl born with past life memories

most animals have souls too...

[Caesar]

sobank, on 30 May 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

and my question is since when u started believing in souls:-)  scientifically speeking soul doesnt exist. :-)  and if soul does exists then the existence of maker is possible hence th existence of prophets and religion and so on. :-)

Sobank I am just a passenger on a journey to find the truth. I know some of my views and questions unsettle some people here, not you of course

The reason I ponder on the 'existence of souls' is because during my research I have met a few people who had 'NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES'. The experiences they had when they were supposedly dead were just very unique. So I just keep wondering and I just keep digging with the hope that I will find the truth.

[gnak]

oh another thing Caesar u said "when people die and their souls are liberated in the Universe"

death means ur liberated in the universe?

as far i understood ur soul is bound to earth for better or worse

so make earth a better place...

[Caesar]

gnak, on 31 May 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:

oh another thing Caesar u said "when people die and their souls are liberated in the Universe"

death means ur liberated in the universe?

as far i understood ur soul is bound to earth for better or worse

so make earth a better place...

Is there a reason as why souls are still bound to Earth?? If true it is pretty pathetic I have to say. Still bound to this evil planet even after death. What a joke!!

[gnak]

Caesar, on 01 June 2012 - 02:59 AM, said:

Is there a reason as why souls are still bound to Earth?? If true it is pretty pathetic I have to say. Still bound to this evil planet even after death. What a joke!!

how far can a soul travel after death?

and i know it does sound sh1t, but i heard stories of ppl claiming to have ET past lives who died on earth and been stuck in earth's reincarnation cycle ever since

and btw this planet is not evil its certain ppl who are evil and ruin it for the rest of us.

but on the bright the many ppl say we are the last generation to live under the enslavement of the international jewry

[Caesar]

gnak, on 01 June 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

how far can a soul travel after death?

If Souls are Eternal then there have the characteristics of 'God'. Which means that just by pure thought they can create things and can travel far and wide.

After I die I would want to be released in the Universe so that I can explore the beauti of Universe rather than be stuck here on this one ugly planet.

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and i know it does sound sh1t, but i heard stories of ppl claiming to have ET past lives who died on earth and been stuck in earth's reincarnation cycle ever since

If true this is just a big joke from whoever created this evil cycle.

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but on the bright the many ppl say we are the last generation to live under the enslavement of the international jewry

I am a bit confused here .... what is the connection between these Jews and after-life?

[gnak]

Caesar, on 01 June 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

If Souls are Eternal then there have the characteristics of 'God'. Which means that just by pure thought they can create things and can travel far and wide.

After I die I would want to be released in the Universe so that I can explore the beauti of Universe rather than be stuck here on this one ugly planet.

all that is possible just not in 3rd and 4th density.

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If true this is just a big joke from whoever created this evil cycle.

believe it or not many alien races volunteer to incarnate on earth (a phenomenon called star-seeds)...

plus i dun know if this cycle is created or natural

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I am a bit confused here .... what is the connection between these Jews and after-life?

theres no connection

wat i meant is we live in a world that is enslaved by jews (for a lack of better word)

and this enslavement will soon come to an end

theres a saying "It is always darkest just before the Day dawneth"

[Felicius]

gnak, on 01 June 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

but i heard stories of ppl claiming to have ET past lives who died on earth and been stuck in earth's reincarnation cycle ever since

Apparently, trauma (by ancestors) too, is passed on genetically from child to child.
Watch the program, on ARY about Black Magick, where they explained this phenomenon.

Watch at 3:45 onwards (this is only part 3 of the entire program):

[Caesar]

Shehz I think gnak meant ETs from other worlds who somehow died here on Earth and then reborn as a humans still had memories of their ET past.

[Magnus]

THROUGH THE WORMHOLE: Will We Survive First Contact

[Magnus]

As proof of past contact with extraterrestrials can be concluded from reports given by NASA's scientists and astronauts, along with government documents, researchers examine additional scientific evidence for past and recent contact.

[gnak]

new insight into the noah's flood

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The "flood of Noah" is believed to be something accomplished by the "hand of God". The reality was is that mankind, all of us, rebelled against tyrants that were persecuting our ancestors. They rebelled and started to build and create things. The extra-terrestrials at the time, the stewards of the planet from Niburu, saw this. They saw us evolving so quickly that they felt they had to do something. For some reason they saw us as becoming a threat. What they did was they caused a pole shift, and this shift rose water and created storms and created rain. Their purpose was to literally drown our ancestors. Now, this is significant, really significant.

[Magnus]

Edited by Magnus, 09 June 2012 - 08:12 AM.

[Caesar]

gnak, on 09 June 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

new insight into the noah's flood

But there was something else that happened as well ...... before the floods the average age of Human Beings was 900 years!! Yes it was 900 years. Noah himself lived for 950 years. However, after the flood the life span of human beings dramatically started reducing. And now it is only 80 years!!

I am taking a stab in the dark but I think that the purpose of the flood was not only to drown most of humanity but to commit DNA WAREFARE.

[Felicius]

Caesar, on 10 June 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

...... not only to drown most of humanity but to commit DNA WAREFARE.

I too, have seen Prometheus.

[Caesar]

Shehz, on 10 June 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

I too, have seen Prometheus.

I actually haven't .... not a big fan of Ridley Scott.

[gnak]

for those that havent seen "Prometheus"



basically they used the ancient astronaut theory and made it into a film

alex jones explain in some detail the plot of the movie

[Caesar]

A few things:

- There is no doubt that all ancient Human civilisations have left behind artwork and writings which clearly show UFOs and Astronauts. How could these people possibly drew those sort of images without not have contacts with these ETs? This clearly suggests that no matter what most of bafoons say and believe today there is no doubt about the fact that UFOs and ETs always had a part in Human affairs including the creation of humans themselves.

-The theory of Polygenism, which means that Human beings of different colours and ethnic looks appeared all of a sudden in different parts of this planet is much more plausible than this theory of Adam and Eve which I have always had my doubts on. Think about this Adam and Eve gave birth to kids and all of them all of a suddent became Black Africans, Chinese with flat faces and yellow skins, Whites with blue eyes and blonde hairs, brown skinned people and so forth. The theory of Adam and Eve itself is slap in the face of reality which clearly says GENETICALLY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A BREED TO BECOME ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPE OF HUMAN BEINGS.

YES IT IS IMPOSSIBLE GENETICALLY for kids of Adam and Eve to become so many different tyoe of human beings.

[blueazure]

races did not evolve from adam and eve , they were infact wiped out by noah's flood , the rebirth of human races came from hazrat noah(pbuh) three sons , sham , ham, japheth

it is said that fair skinned caucasian race evolved from japheth,  the negro race evolved from ham , while the jewish race evolved from sham

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[Caesar]

blueazure, on 11 June 2012 - 03:46 AM, said:

races did not evolve from adam and eve , they were infact wiped out by noah's flood , the rebirth of human races came from hazrat noah(pbuh) three sons , sham , ham, japheth

it is said that fair skinned caucasian race evolved from japheth,  the negro race evolved from ham , while the jewish race evolved from sham

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Once again it is Genetically impossible for Noah to give birth to sons with entirely gene sets. Based on looks there are 4 major Humans white/Caucasian, Mongoloid/Asian, Negroid/Black, and Australoid. Whereas on Ethnicity there are 5000 races. So in other words it is just not possiblle.

[blueazure]

^^ not entirely different but with minor differences that evolved over time owing to weather and climate etc

the negro race moved to africa where the heat and sum made them more darker , the Caucasian moved to Europe where the cold and low light made them fairer over time, jews roamed around modern day syria etc  which gave them their distinct look ,,,  ?

[Caesar]

blueazure, on 11 June 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

^^ not entirely different but with minor differences that evolved over time owing to weather and climate etc

the negro race moved to africa where the heat and sum made them more darker , the Caucasian moved to Europe where the cold and low light made them fairer over time, jews roamed around modern day syria etc  which gave them their distinct look ,,,  ?

You are talking about Darwin's "Theory of Evolution" which is not acceptable to all major religions including Islam.

I only accept certain parts of the theory because they make sense and ground evidence and research support it. Example Animals adapt to their environments. The rest is just load of Bollocks. Example it says Monkeys and Apes became intelligent Homo Sapiens. Ok it that's true then what about Lizards or Frogs or Lions or Elephants or thousands of other animals who have remained unchanged since millions of years. Why haven't they not become smart?


In short, Genetics and DNA doesn't support what you are saying. For instance Africans cannot become Chinese/Asian looking people. It is just not possible. We are living in historic times where some new technologies like Genetics are exposing non-sense potrayed by a lot of people and religious institutions. That is why all major religions are against technologies like Genetics, DNA Sequencing and a lot of other Biological stuff because they know their days of deception are coming towards an end.

[blueazure]

well im no expert in these areas but my point was that hazrat NOAH ( pbuh) sons might have had different complexions / features. this is not uncommon today. my mamu has three sons , two are medium height , dark complexioned, the third one is pretty fair skinned and well built. now if these move to entirely three different continents and live there for thousands of years their evolution would be entirely different , the successive race being increasingly different from their cousins....  


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[Caesar]

BlueA again remember we are talking about the origins of humanity. There is no way Adam/Eve or Noah were capable of producing such diverse range of human beings.

Now coming to your uncle now has he got a kid who is Chinese Or a Black Negro Or a Red Indian from the same Mom? Obviously not.

Now once again we are talking about the origins of humanity - it was genetically impossible for Adam/Eve to produce kids who were chinese/asians, red indians, Balk negros, White blondes, and so forth.

By the way Bible says that Adam and Eve were created 4000 to 6000 B.C. And the funny part is that Scientist discovered a human skull which dates back to 6 millions years!! Once again science has proved the Bible incorrect. And once again IT IS IMPOSSIBLE EVEN FROM EVOLUTION Point of view for Humans to become so diverse in 4000 to 6000 years!!! Another impossibilty.

Another myth busted.

[blueazure]

Caesar, on 12 June 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

BlueA again remember we are talking about the origins of humanity. There is no way Adam/Eve or Noah were capable of producing such diverse range of human beings.Now coming to your uncle now has he got a kid who is Chinese Or a Black Negro Or a Red Indian from the same Mom? Obviously not.

your'e missing the point here, they dont have DISTINCT features yet have fairly different complexions and face cut, these changes can evolve into totally different races over different geographical entity over prolonged periods...   its not uncommon to find families where one daughter is extremely beautiful while the other two are plain looking ...........  beauty/ different features doesnt necessarily come from using multiple mothers.

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By the way Bible says that Adam and Eve were created 4000 to 6000 B.C. And the funny part is that Scientist discovered a human skull which dates back to 6 millions years!! Once again science has proved the Bible incorrect. And once again IT IS IMPOSSIBLE EVEN FROM EVOLUTION Point of view for Humans to become so diverse in 4000 to 6000 years!!! Another impossibilty.

yaar  bible of today is not authentic , clergy over the centuries made changes in it as it suited them., i doubt any Christian priest can  produce the original book...  the 4000 / 6000 BC figure is a mere conjecture ..  

IMO, hazrat adam ( AS ) came much before that, i'd say 20,000BC . hazrat ibrahim(AS) for instance was born around 9000BC in the city of UR, (modern day iraq )

[Caesar]

blueazure, on 12 June 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:

your'e missing the point here, they dont have DISTINCT features yet have fairly different complexions and face cut, these changes can evolve into totally different races over different geographical entity over prolonged periods...   its not uncommon to find families where one daughter is extremely beautiful while the other two are plain looking ...........  beauty/ different features doesnt necessarily come from using multiple mothers.

Blue once again you are not trying to comprehend, it is NOT POSSIBLE SCIENTIFICALLY or GENEICALLY for this to occur. Here is a question - Chinese have existed for thousands of years. Why haven't their kids not changed in White blondes or Black Africans?? Why are they still Chinese looking??

What you have said above is far from reality Theory of Evolution or in other words Darwinism.  PLEASE YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. You can't pick and choose a few bits and pieces from religions and a few bits and pieces from Darwin's theroy and come up with your own theories for convenience.

Once again it is not possible for one particular species of humans to turn into a COMPETELY DIFFERENT SPECIES OF HUMANS. WHITES will NOT TURN INTO ASIANS OVER TIME; ASIANS WILL NOT CONVERT INTO BLACK NEGROS OVER TIME. THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF HISTORY CLEARLY SUGGESTS THIS IN EVERY PART OF THE WORLD.

Look I know it is hard to digest all this, it is against the very foundations a lot of us believe in. Unfortunately it is incorrect notion that every human emerged from Adam and Eve.

IT IS GENETICALLY NOT POSSIBLE.

[gnak]

on the subject ppl never physically change

the terracotta army dating back to ~200 BC

the average height of the soldiers is ~6ft between 183–195 cm (well above the average chinese height today)

they were said to be life sized replicas...

early humans cro magnon averaged 6 ft 7 inches

[safdar]

Caesar, on 12 June 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

Look I know it is hard to digest all this, it is against the very foundations a lot of us believe in. Unfortunately it is incorrect notion that every human emerged from Adam and Eve.

IT IS GENETICALLY NOT POSSIBLE.

You are confused between evolution, metamorphoses, creation, genetic & social engineering ect ect…. . When you state something to be impossible and your reasoning based on a theory, you inadvertently imply it must be divine intervention. Because: you cannot prove beyond any reasonable doubt the theory to be completely true. Anecdotal evidence cannot conclude all answers, hence it is just a belief system of the inexplicable whether its science or divinity one chooses, specially when in concerns origins of life. You would believe that Adam (AS) and Eve (AS)  could not give birth to different ethnicities based on science that also states human ape DNA is 96% similar?. You could believe that life evolved on earth and humans are a random act of nature, most people do and get on with their mundane life. Or you could believe that the aliens mated with the Neanderthals and gave birth to humans and complicate your thinking. Or you could just believe god created all life on earth and chose humans as representatives of earth. When Adam (AS) was created he was given a high IQ level to all Allah’s creations and they were order to prostate only Iblis did not . The last statement eloquently  answers your earlier post above about your Darwinism paradox that why not did the rest of the species also evolve along with humans. And when humans die they metamorphosis into a different form, hence life continues and information is not lost which is also a scientific fact….. until proven otherwise.  

On another matter regarding ancient civilisations and aliens, I don’t know if I posted this before in this thread or if you know about it, but the ancient Egyptians discovered electricity and that the pyramids were power generators for wireless electricity. Point is that humans could have been intelligent beings right from the start.



And lets not forget that Allah has warned us that he could destroy all mankind and create another race. Aliens maybe?

If it were His will, He could destroy you, o mankind, and create another race; for He hath power this to do. (4:133 Al-Qur’an)

Maybe according to Polygenism white did evolve from p!gs, black from apes and brown from…???…maybe we can apply the alien + Neanderthal theory here to the white and black, and just create the brown.

[Caesar]

safdar, on 15 June 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

You are confused between evolution, metamorphoses, creation, genetic & social engineering ect ect…. .

Right so I am confused and you are all good, sane person here.

Dude please don't speak jack-shi.t. Unlike people Science doesn't lie. As I said don't come with idiotic theories based on your imigination. I am giving you the scienctific facts not some BS theory you just decided to make up in your free time.

Once again IT IS GENETICALLY NOT POSSIBLE FOR ONE SPECIES OF HUMANS TO GIVE BIRTH TO DIFFERENT SPECIES OF HUMANS OR OR THAT SPECIES TO CHANGE INTO ANOTHER SPECIES OF HUMANS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

Now either stop day dreaming and go suck on reality or keep going your own idiotic ways ..... Either way I don't freaking care.

[safdar]

Caesar, on 15 June 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Once again IT IS GENETICALLY NOT POSSIBLE FOR ONE SPECIES OF HUMANS TO GIVE BIRTH TO DIFFERENT SPECIES OF HUMANS OR OR THAT SPECIES TO CHANGE INTO ANOTHER SPECIES OF HUMANS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

read carefully.

Different races aren’t different species. The difference is due to genetic mutation, natural selection or artificial selection, interbreeding, sexual selection an so many more theories over the years, for example the white Europeans still have lactase persistence even after adulthood. Sexual selection is creating a elite race within a race just look at India and so many more. Stop reading racist apophatic literature where they have twisted science for their own supremacists ideals. Minor genetic differences does not constitute a new species!

you Just read a blog and now you think you know science!

[Caesar]

safdar, on 16 June 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

read carefully.

Different races aren’t different species. The difference is due to genetic mutation, natural selection or artificial selection, interbreeding, sexual selection an so many more theories over the years, for example the white Europeans still have lactase persistence even after adulthood. Sexual selection is creating a elite race within a race just look at India and so many more. Stop reading racist apophatic literature where they have twisted science for their own supremacists ideals. Minor genetic differences does not constitute a new species!

you Just read a blog and now you think you know science!

LOL  why are you so du...b?? It is like someone arguing that the speed of light is not 299 792 458 m / s or that Earth is actually Flat not round. I feel sorry for people like you ... stuck in your own little fantasy world.

ONCE AGAIN IF YOU HAVE SOME BRAIN TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF SCIENCE OF GENETICS. Asians will not change into Caucasian race, the Caucasian race will not change into Asians, Asians will not change into Black Negros, Black Negros will not become Caucasian race.

So stop making up BS stories in your free time. And stop with these 'ifs' and 'Buts'. Go and learn some genetics. Thank you.

[safdar]

Caesar, on 16 June 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

So stop making up BS stories in your free time. And stop with these 'ifs' and 'Buts'. Go and learn some genetics. Thank you.

The only other region where there is lactase persistence is north Pakistan and Afghanistan where there is European looking people, not possible even if the Russian raped all the Afghan women for a 100 years, let alone 10! or even due to other European invasion in the past 100 years. Genetic mutation, polymorphism, due to environment, diet, interbreeding there are so many theories one cannot just cling on to one. Interracial relation can create a different looking human all together to its parent, where genetic mutation has occurred  in a single life cycle. Would you call that a different specie?

I dont need to learn genetics. common sense rules over everything.