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[mykg4orce]

Recently we have been hearing of Indian missile tests...

Looks like there is some help from Russia.  In fact it is very well advertised that the new Agni (III) Missile is being jointly developed by Russia and India.  (Has anyone blamed Russia for proliferation?  Any sanctions against Russia? No)

"Agni-III is indeed in the developmental stage. The missile will be rail-mobile, with a range of 3,500 - 4,000 km and a first test may occur in 2003." (http://WWW.India-fac...ES/Agni-II.html)

I don’t really care if the Indians are just making another variant, which will carry a lighter payload or just have bigger fuel capacity.  The fact is that what we have here is missile technology proliferation by Russia.  China and Pakistan were slammed and had their names smeared for missile technology proliferation.  But it looks like the Russian proliferation is going unnoticed by the same United States that laid sanctions against us..  Is it because the US doesn't mind proliferation that could hurt China?  But it does care for proliferation to Pakistan that can have adverse affects on India?  Double Standard?.  Two words that can summarize American Foreign Policy.

I came to the conclusion that Pakistan doesn't need to go any farther then Delhi as far as missiles are concerned.  Even after reading the Indian article, i clearly got the impression that the Agni is not as impressive in its accuracy as it is in its supposed range.  

So I guess with all the money and manpower.... India had to resort to a “non-indigenous” partner.

[sinopak]

Seems to me that India is aiming for "international significance" with regard to it's missile's range. Why not? Anybody ask why France or UK need missiles of that range?

"it looks like the Russian proliferation is going unnoticed by the same United States that laid sanctions against us.. Is it because the US doesn't mind proliferation that could hurt China? But it does care for proliferation to Pakistan that can have adverse affects on India? Double Standard?. Two words that can summarize American Foreign Policy"

US offers a huge market and it thinks that it can pull into it's orbit any players out there who understand the cost of opposing it - other players are busying forming regional alliances so that they are not left alone against the US. So double standards?, Sure if you are in a crying mood - Double standards you can choose to cry over or use them to your advantage - which pays dividends?

[mykg4orce]

Double Standards, which lead to future wars.  Future wars that have to be fought with weapons that the US needs to sell to make.

So I guess soon enough India will start proliferating missile technology to ...umm....ummm....Taiwan?

I just wanted to clear up wheather this new missile range is a sign of "do business with us" or "you'll regret a war with us"  It seems to me its a little bit of both.

[pak-fa]

I dunno why everyone accuses US of double standards...is it a global police? is it a neutral org like UN...Hell no. It has its own interestes and it will do anything to safegaurd its interests. Right now its a super power and it will try to maintain its supremacy.
If u have a problem with the Us then dont heed to it. why whine? Just follow china, they do whatever they feel like doing. Even Pakistan can do that, but then u have to fear of sanctions, which will starve your country. In such case u have to live with what u got and dont blame US of double standards.

[akacyclops]

pak-fa, on Feb 7 2003, 10:15 AM, said:

I dunno why everyone accuses US of double standards...is it a global police? is it a neutral org like UN...Hell no. It has its own interestes and it will do anything to safegaurd its interests. Right now its a super power and it will try to maintain its supremacy.
If u have a problem with the Us then dont heed to it. why whine? Just follow china, they do whatever they feel like doing. Even Pakistan can do that, but then u have to fear of sanctions, which will starve your country. In such case u have to live with what u got and dont blame US of double standards.

                       Well the US should stop barking about Nuclear proliferation & MTCR then shouldnt it?

[Arcane]

god bless america ....   

[Web Master]

all of india is within Pakistani missiles range, and all of Pakistan in indias, These tests are directed towards china and indias goal to be a super power  :alien:

[Danish]

so does  it  mean it's an ICBM wth 3000Km range or is it short of ICBM classification ?

[ironman419]

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[PakistanSSG]

Isn't a missile suppose to have a range of 10,000Km or more to be designated as an ICBM?

[Kelsier]

The Indians are high on cow urine, they are on a power trip buying all this military equipment without reason. They can't say its for Pakistan, they already were ahead of Pakistan.

So it has to be for China. And they'll get their ass kicked.

If its not for China than the Indians are on some serious drugs, while they spend billions without reason for military, they are being invaded by AIDS, poverty, hunger, prostitutes and plague

[mmalam]

Dont you guys think that Pakistan should start building up a storm for this testing  to show how it will escalate the situation in south Asia??.They have alot of time.. and they can make their point  about proliferation also ..!

[PakiPatriot]

I'm waiting for some kind of testing....It'll be great if its Anza MK III - if we dont have advanced fighters, we need good air defence.

[platinum786]

in all honesty guys, who cares?



This should only concern China, who i'm sure will shrug it off.

India is trying to get us into an arms race, were not racing, why coz we have other priorities.

If we chase conventional weapons to bolster defence, then we are seen as non agressive, if we produce ICBM's we are seen as very agressive.

Lets try to keep non agresssive until we can be defencely sound against ALL adversaries.

[Kelsier]

I say screw India, they are being idiots, they are getting in arm race with noone... pretty sad  

Pakistan should just raise its military budget a little bit and thats it, no arms race, Pakistan has better things to do than waste so much money on buying all these unnecessary arms.

[sinopak]

Excellent - moderator my hairy behind!!!

[mmalam]

Ameer Kiani, on Feb 8 2003, 01:08 AM, said:

I say screw India, they are being idiots, they are getting in arm race with noone... pretty sad  

Pakistan should just raise its military budget a little bit and thats it, no arms race, Pakistan has better things to do than waste so much money on buying all these unnecessary arms.

                       Ameer.. it cant be increased... the reason being we are not in a position to do so.. look at out economy.. its still in the proces of  taking off... we need to concentrate on that.. one we  have established an industrial base for strong economy .. then we may think about it..!!

[pak-fa]

I was wondering abt moderators on this forum. Is there any clause in the selection that only intellectually challenged persons can be mods!?
I guess u ya all understand who I am referring to.

[mykg4orce]

pak-fa your point of view (from what I read) is that disorder and injustice are a fact of life and that one should leave things be.  Right...

I do not believe in this “sort” of a world.  My post was neither “whining” or “crying” I was voicing my opinion as to the double standards that precede every foreign policy decision the US makes.

[mamo0003]

Its not the mods, most of us think it is you.

[PakiPatriot]

I was just thinking.....why do we need Indians on this forum?

[pak-fa]

mykg4orce, on Feb 7 2003, 03:09 PM, said:

pak-fa your point of view (from what I read) is that disorder and injustice are a fact of life and that one should leave things be.  Right...

I do not believe in this “sort” of a world.  My post was neither “whining” or “crying” I was voicing my opinion as to the double standards that precede every foreign policy decision the US makes.

                       Oh mykg u got me wrong, I too think pretty much like u and BTW, I wasnt not referring to u.    
Regarding US double standards, I dont understand why u have a problem with that. Did US ever threaten u to stop testing Nukes or Missiles? No. Did they declare war on Pak 'cos u have weapons? No. All US is doing is trying to protect its interests and I would saythat its right. It has the Might, so as long as it doesnt go out of way to get things done , US is right.
Now coming to the double standards.....if u dont like what the US does then challenge them (I am afraid u cant do that) or ignore US and go ahead with ur missile program (but then u will not get any monetary aid from US).
Dude, if u want something from the Americans then u shld give them something in return. If u want equip and money then heed to them and dance to their tunes. If u dont want to dance then show them the middle finger, thats all, why whine?

[mykg4orce]

I agree with the fact that we're all in it for ourselves.  But the result of many American policies has had adverse affects on Pakistan.  I wouldn't mind, whatever the US was doing if only it didn't affect Pakistan.  But you see there is always a connection between what happenes in America and the rest of the world, so its not mindless "complaining."

[Merlin]

Ameer....................the moderator & others

AND OTHERS...............


You claim india is spending billions on Weapons. MIND EXPLAING WHY Pakistan SPENDS 5% OF ITS GDP ON DEFENCE PER YEAR and why india only spends 2.5% of its GDP............

Secondly so india is a nation full of AIDS, PROSTITUTES & STARVING. so tell me are all the pakistanis living in 4 bedroomed detached houses with BMW cars, 3 holidays abroad a year.

I suppose Pakistan has a clear lead over india in Technology, industry, politics.  After all india only ranked the 11TH STRONGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. 2nd largest Software industry in the world.

WAKE UP DREAMER....................Its Pakistan that needs to stop spending on military. They are in the dark ages relying on USA handouts for food aid and in danger of collapsing to the militant jihadi culture frm Northern Pakistani.

FALLING WAY BEHIND the rest of the world........................

[Magnus]

do i have to tell again and again that india spends 2.5% and Pakistan 2.8% . I am tired of
posting janes and other links but noone listens . Its not 5% for God sake .
Even a (.) of Gdp means jump in purchases . not of tanks because they are too cheap
you will be seeing lines of rafales here OFCOURSE at the expense of ailing economy.
Pakistan is one of largest exporters of "food aid" hahahah so correct the info there. If u
are calculating "soyabeans for F-16" in food aid then i hope you faget about it right now.
Get the aid figure out . Does US give 2.1 bn dollar aid to Pakistan like "south korea" umm nopes
more than 1.8 bn dollar like taiwan umm nopes . 2.24 bn dollar aid to Egypt umm nopes. It will
be hillarious to say Pakistan received aid from usa . Do u see any aid ??
If a permanent US aid can make a "flea" taiwan stand chance of protecting itself from
elephant china what would have Pakistan been if it had received "similar" aid . I leave calculations
for others .I guess after calculations a good mathematician will say hats off that Pakistan where it is
now "without"  A /I/D.

On matter of Agni its not new news. India has been in this range development for years.
and india will not even shock anyone to convert a Gslv into a modified ICBM known as
surya programme in news for a decade now. So stop talking about dangers of this missile
and any step by india is a step towards its security insurance and it should be respected by neighbours
.

Pakistan has the capability to test missiles of sucn ranges but it doesn`t need to. For Pakistan`s
security environment ends in south asia It doesn`t need to show off away from that.
however if need arises i can guarantee u the capability was there in Gen Zia`s times
what to talk of current times

[Lightning F57]

Why do people keep saying paks defence import is 5% of its GDP without backing empty claims up, heres a link from Janes Dated in 2001 listing Paks being 2.8%, chinas 3% and india 2.5%.

Also let me just say Israels defence spending is around 10% its GDP, thats very high even though Israel is a very developed country but it needs to attain that kind of defence spending because it surrounded by what it sees Hostile neighbours and a very rough neigbourhood.  Pakistan is surrounded by a country which is 7 times its size and that regular threatens to anhialte it, Pakistan there fore needs to maintain a high defence spending to deter its neighbour.

http://www.janes.com...10307_2_n.shtml

[DeepThirdMan]

Lightning F57, on Feb 8 2003, 09:56 AM, said:

Why do people keep saying paks defence import is 5% of its GDP without backing empty claims up, heres a link from Janes Dated in 2001 listing Paks being 2.8%, chinas 3% and india 2.5%.

Jane's figure is incorrect.

Pakistan current GDP in absolute $$ term is $60 billion and it's defence expenditure for the 2002 calender year was $3 billion (was raised from $2.76 billion because of border tension and war like situation with India), that is 5% of the GDP.


According to CIA Factbook 2002, Pakistan defence budget was 4.6% of GDP in 2001.

http://www.cia.gov/c...k/print/pk.html

Military expenditures - percent of GDP: 4.6% (FY01)  


(PS: figure for China also in incorrect)

[Magnus]

hahaha CIA the same site which changes figures every now and then

I think i speak for all that JANES is the most trusted site.

And yes in 2001 Pakistan`s spending decreased not increased.

The government's focus on the economy is also evident in fiscal policy. The most telling indication is that defense spending has been reduced. Adjusted for inflation, and in dollar terms, Pakistan's defense spending decreased from $3.1 billion in 2000 to $2.1 billion in 2001 (see chart). 2   Moreover, Pakistan's decision to decrease defense spending is even more impressive when considering that Indian defense spending increased by 13% this year. 3   With its defense spending down, Pakistan has implemented a number of social and infrastructure programs, including initiatives on information technology, aiding some of the poorest members of society, and constructing the Thal floodwater canal project that, when completed in 2008, will irrigate 1.5 million acres.

http://www.cdi.org/asia/btn082401.html

HOWEVER

Israel spends 11 % of GDP
korea spends 20 %

Confirmed janes figures

[Magnus]

INDIAN MEDIA " POWER OF ACCURACY "

Pakistan spends 7 percent

http://www.rediff.co...1/mar/14nad.htm

[Merlin]

Pakistan is one of the poorest countries in the world with a GDP of some $70 billion dollars. A FACT

India has GDP of $600 billion dollars the 11TH largest in the world A FACT.


Pakistan SPENDS MORE ON DEFENCE AS A PERCENTAGE OF ITS TINY GDP then india. Again a fact.


So when guys go on in here about Pakistan being more responsible to its citizens cause they spend less on defence it make me want to PUKE UP its a pathetic statement.

Pakistan has never had a democratic Govt in office.

Is a very poor Islamic nation full of fundementalist tribes in the Northern provinces who are Anti West. Anti freedom for Women, and huge supporters of bin laden........

So stop kidding/deluding yourselves.................

India and Pakistan are light years apart..............

The whole knows this and thats why Pakistan is in the current predictment of increasing isolation from the international world.

Thats why they are now considered a nominal country of little significance.

Tharts why first sign of religious unrest the YANKS WILL TAKE YOUR NUKES OFF YOU.......

[sfhussain]

Merlin - "Tharts why first sign of religious unrest the YANKS WILL TAKE YOUR NUKES OFF YOU......."

How would this be done - Send Barabara Striesand to do this?

Whether it is 3.5 or 5% of GDP of $60B. Most of Pakistan's GDP is not recorded.

North korea spends 33% or more of its GDP on defense. If we Pakistanis have to go that far we will, if it comes to that!

Edited by sfhussain, 10 February 2003 - 09:27 AM.

[Magnus]

Less Developed Countries: GDP $10,000 and under
  Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, American Samoa, Angola, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and, Botswana, Brazil, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Colombia, Comoros, Congo, Congo, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Côte d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Dem. Republic, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Fiji, French Guiana, French Polynesia, Gabon, Gambia, Gaza Strip, Georgia, Ghana, Grenada, Grenadines, Guadeloupe, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Herzegovina, Honduras, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Islands, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Lithuania, Macedonia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Martinique, Mauritania, Mayotte, Mexico, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montserrat, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, New Caledonia, Nicaragua, **********, Nigeria, Nive, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Puerto Rico, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Serbia and Montenegro, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tokelau, Tonga, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Turks and Caicos Islands, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam, Wallis and Futuna, West Bank, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe
    
More Developed Countries: GDP $10,001 and over
  Andorra, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Bahrain, Barbados, Belgium, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Brunei, Canada, Cayman Islands, Chile, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Gibraltar, Greece, Greenland, Guam, Guam, Hong Kong, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Macau, Malaysia, Malta, Man, Mauritius, Monaco, Netherlands Antilles, Netherlands, New Zealand, Northern Mariana Islands, Norway, Portugal, Qatar, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, St. Pierre and Miquelon, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Trinidad and Tobago, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States, Virgin Islands (U.S.)

http://www.ismmed.org/gdp.htm

[Magnus]

So mr rich

I being an american will give u a response of truth.

Pakistan is isolated : Nopes!

Us policy was same before friendship with india , AFTER friendship with india they don`t sell weapons
unless some conditions are met.

Islamists in Pakistan : YEP

poison in the roots of Pakistan.

COuntry of lil significance

Has CIS in its hands.
member of security council
President of USa meets foreign min himself
Respected in mideast
Europe refused indian requests to isolate Pakistan.
Instead of becoming part of axis of evil Pakistan is now frontline state against terror and
one of us trusted friends "quote:" Sen jon mccaine

A lil help in info helps so many ppl doesn`t it .

[Magnus]

That was data on World`s economies above


HOWEVER

By SIZE is another issue the economies of the world by size are:

The World's Fifty Largest Economies

No Nation GDP1  Per Capita GDP Real Growth2  Unemployment Inflation3  
1 United States $ 9,299 bln. $ 34,108 5.0% 4.0% 3.4%
2 China 4,800 bln. 3,850 7.0% 0.0% -1.3%
3 Japan 2,950 bln. 23,379 0.3% 4.7% -0.8%
4 Germany 1,864 bln. 22,708 1.5% 10.5% 0.8%
5 India 1,805 bln. 1,803 5.5% NA 6.7%
6 France 1,373 bln. 23,280 2.7% 11.0% 0.5%
7 United Kingdom 1,290 bln. 21,822 1.9% 6.0% 2.3%
8 Italy 1,212 bln. 21,362 1.3% 11.5% 1.7%
9 Brazil 1,057 bln. 6,151 0.8% 7.5% 5.0%
10 Mexico 866 bln. 8,630 3.7% 2.5% 15.0%
11 Canada 722 bln. 23,295 3.6% 7.6% 1.7%
12 Spain 678 bln. 17,297 3.6% 16.0% 2.3%
13 South Korea 626 bln. 13,345 10.0% 6.3% 0.8%
14 Russia 620 bln. 4,237 3.2% 12.4% 86.0%
15 Indonesia 610 bln. 2,823 0.0% 15.0% 2.0%
16 Australia 416 bln. 22,158 4.3% 7.5% 1.8%
17 Turkey 409 bln. 6,241 -5.0% 7.3% 65.0%
18 Thailand 389 bln. 6,413 4.0% 4.5% 2.4%
19 Argentina 367 bln. 9,990 -3.0% 14.0% -2.0%
20 Netherlands 365 bln. 23,096 3.4% 3.5% 2.2%
21 Taiwan 357 bln. 16,144 5.5% 2.9% 0.4%
22 Iran 348 bln. 5,333 1.0% 25.0% 30.0%
23 South Africa 296 bln. 6,818 0.6% 30.0% 5.5%
24 Pakistan 282 bln. 2,042 3.1% 7.0% 6.0%
25 Poland 277 bln. 7,162 3.8% 11.0% 8.4%
26 Colombia 245 bln. 6,235 -5.0% 20.0% 9.2%
27 Belgium 243 bln. 23,905 1.8% 9.0% 1.0%
28 Malaysia 229 bln. 10,718 5.0% 3.0% 2.8%
29 Egypt 200 bln. 2,973 5.0% 11.8% 3.7%
30 Switzerland 197 bln. 27,077 1.4% 2.8% 1.0%
31 Saudi Arabia 191 bln. 8,882 1.6% 6.5% -1.2%
32 Austria 191 bln. 23,417 2.0% 4.4% 0.5%
33 Venezuela 183 bln. 7,878 -7.2% 18.0% 20.0%
34 Chile 185 bln. 12,362 -1.0% 9.0% 3.4%
35 Sweden 184 bln. 20,648 3.8% 5.5% 0.4%
36 Bangladesh 180 bln. 1,471 5.2% 35.2% 7.0%
37 Portugal 151 bln. 15,265 3.2% 4.6% 2.4%
38 Greece 149 bln. 13,935 3.0% 9.9% 2.6%
39 Algeria 148 bln. 4,741 3.9% 30.0% 4.2%
40 Vietnam 143 bln. 1,851 4.8% 25.0% 4.0%
41 Denmark 128 bln. 23,839 1.3% 5.7% 2.5%
42 Czech Republic 121 bln. 11,750 -0.5% 9.0% 2.5%
43 Peru 116 bln. 4,357 2.4% 7.7% 5.5%
44 Norway 111 bln. 25,076 0.8% 2.9% 2.8%
45 Nigeria 111 bln. 1000 2.7% 28.0% 12.5%
46 Ukraine 110 bln. 2,198 -0.4% 4.3% 20.0%
47 Finland 109 bln. 21,053 3.5% 10.0% 1.0%
48 Morocco 108 bln. 3,641 0.0% 19.0% 1.9%
49 Israel 105 bln. 18,331 2.1% 9.1% 1.3%

IMF

INDIA is a big country of "billion" ppl and definitely a "big" economy

But India and Pakistan will have to stop spending blindly on defence to spend more on ppl to join
the list of
"More Developed Countries: GDP $10,001 and over "

because neither they get aid from anyone like "mr Israel" nor are they such booming
economies like china , taiwan and korea .

[Merlin]

Usmanali.

A few facts about Pakistan versis india.

1. BBC night news confirmed by defence MINSTER OF UK that the West is more concerned about Pakistani nuclear weapons than even Korea due to potential of them falling into hgands of islamic jehadi.

The west is watching............. SO WATCH OUT.......


2. What respect does Pakistan have in the Mid East. Do you mean Iran who are sucking up to INDIA. Or maybe Israel who are indias new ally of huge importance. Currently both spying on Pakistan and rest of mid east together ie Mossad & Raw.........

Anybody else in mideast worth talking about. Rest are a bunch of cowards and little insignificance to India........... You can keep their respect WE DON,T NEED IT.......

3. Even the Ivory coast is the United nations and the security council.

4. USA frontline ally I see. Is that why USA is refusing to sell you F16s which Mushraff is on hands and knees to buy. Is that why india is allowed to buy Phalcon. Is that why GENERAL DYNAMICS WANT TO Sell F16s to india with TOT production rights. Or is it because india will be part of missle defence sheild. Or maybe JSF programme....

Finally is that why Clinton spent 1 whole week  in india in 1998  and then followed with a short 2 hour trip tom Pakistan.....

The UK treat you with contempt
French will only sell mirages at double the real price.
Even China wants to increase trade between india and themselves.....


The list is endless.............

I THINK ENOUGH SAID

If it was a boxing match it would be over in round two !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Merlin]

Usmanali.

A few facts about Pakistan versis india.

1. BBC night news confirmed by defence MINSTER OF UK that the West is more concerned about Pakistani nuclear weapons than even Korea due to potential of them falling into hgands of islamic jehadi.

The west is watching............. SO WATCH OUT.......


2. What respect does Pakistan have in the Mid East. Do you mean Iran who are sucking up to INDIA. Or maybe Israel who are indias new ally of huge importance. Currently both spying on Pakistan and rest of mid east together ie Mossad & Raw.........

Anybody else in mideast worth talking about. Rest are a bunch of cowards and little insignificance to India........... You can keep their respect WE DON,T NEED IT.......

3. Even the Ivory coast is the United nations and the security council.

4. USA frontline ally I see. Is that why USA is refusing to sell you F16s which Mushraff is on hands and knees to buy. Is that why india is allowed to buy Phalcon. Is that why GENERAL DYNAMICS WANT TO Sell F16s to india with TOT production rights. Or is it because india will be part of missle defence sheild. Or maybe JSF programme....

Finally is that why Clinton spent 1 whole week  in india in 1998  and then followed with a short 2 hour trip tom Pakistan.....

The UK treat you with contempt
French will only sell mirages at double the real price.
Even China wants to increase trade between india and themselves.....


The list is endless.............

I THINK ENOUGH SAID

If it was a boxing match it would be over in round two !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!