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[Elite Commando]

[color=#FF0000]What is diffrence between Cavalry & Armoured Regiments?[color=#FF0000]

[GreenBeret]

[color=#FF0000]What is diffrence between Cavalry & Armoured Regiments?[color=#FF0000]

its the same thing,in older days horses were used as tanks r used today,they were knows as cavalry.

[blain2]

are u sure type 59s are assault rifle. I thought they used ak-47s. could you give me a link to type 59s blain.

I thought  type 59 are field guns and tanks. anyway please give me a link or just tell me its different model of ak 47 or something.

Sobank, sorry it was a typo...I meant to say Type 56 and not Type 59.
Type 56 is the Chinese version of AK-47s in use within PA since we get all of these from China.  

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/small_arms/type56rifle.asp

[AL-khalid]

I wanted to know; how many bullet proof jackets does our regular soldiers have right now ?! I was watching BBC and they were discussing the lack of right equipment in the British Army, so don't you think we should be providing safety for our soldiers first ?!

There were talks in past of reducing Pakistani soldiers, so does that mean in near future we'll be seeing Pakistani soldiers with better equipment ?!

One more question. If you ever get a chance to go to NWFP, then you will see our Pahtan brothers master in making the western guns; why can't we provide them jobs in army for making equipment, I mean yes, of course after tranning them! It will reat so many jobs too as thoes people sure have some skill in this they have been making guns for past 50 + years !

[Panzer-kiel]

I wanted to know; how many bullet proof jackets does our regular soldiers have right now ?! I was watching BBC and they were discussing the lack of right equipment in the British Army, so don't you think we should be providing safety for our soldiers first ?!

There were talks in past of reducing Pakistani soldiers, so does that mean in near future we'll be seeing Pakistani soldiers with better equipment ?!

One more question. If you ever get a chance to go to NWFP, then you will see our Pahtan brothers master in making the western guns; why can't we provide them jobs in army for making equipment, I mean yes, of course after tranning them! It will reat so many jobs too as thoes people sure have some skill in this they have been making guns for past 50 + years !

I can answer ur second question. Look, like we manufacture MG3 and G-3 here, for example, we do so under lisence, meaning we have permission from the country i.e. Germany, which is the oroginator of these guns. Seeking lisence also means wht we manufacture conform to their own standards!
     Now if do so as u say, then some problems willl arise! First, we these ppl are making these guns without any lisence , without any permission from the original countries. Second, if we give these ppl govt jobs, then it would mean tht our govt is facilitating these ppl. The original countries, seeing this, might sue our govt tht we r making their weapons, with their technologies , without asking permission from them, which is a major problem, Also these weapons are not operational for long time. They are not of the top most standards!

Your first question is ver y difficult to answer. But i can tell u one thing. there is a military proverb. "The side with the simplest uniform wins". Examples are in the Korean War, Vietnam War and the present day Iraq!

Hope ur queries are answered!



The army is being reduced, but it will not be at the expense of the fighting arms. Only non-essential personnel will be sent home or transferred!

[DaRe2dReaM]

MY QUESTION:

well now grlz r joining pak army apart from the medical services...wudnt it disrupt the present environment of ARMY ..or R u willing enough to welcom females to come in the ARMY in SIgnal and Engineer Corps apart from serving as PROs and Psychiatrists......

[GreenBeret]

MY QUESTION:

well now grlz r joining pak army apart from the medical services...wudnt it disrupt the present environment of ARMY ..or R u willing enough to welcom females to come in the ARMY in SIgnal and Engineer Corps apart from serving as PROs and Psychiatrists......

engineers are required in R&D departments,it doesnt disrupt anything,nothing that i have been seen disruped in Signals Corps R&D,some of my seniors there include females also.They r very well respected.

[pilot_dude]

hello,

       i would be grateful if someone can answer my question:)


when different armies take part in joint exercises (training).....WHAT EXACTLY DO THEY DO??? SHOOT BAD GUYS?? WHAT DO THEY DO??



pilot_dude

[sobank]

hello,

       i would be grateful if someone can answer my question:)
when different armies take part in joint exercises (training).....WHAT EXACTLY DO THEY DO??? SHOOT BAD GUYS?? WHAT DO THEY DO??

pilot_dude

watch old army movies. they portray the practice real good. I think dirty dozen have an excercise scene. It also depends on what kind of excercise they are doing. But usually its red against blue team. rules and objective are selected and then umpires stay with teams and score their performances and also decide who is dead and who is not. and who wins and who doesnt.

[pilot_dude]

watch old army movies. they portray the practice real good. I think dirty dozen have an excercise scene. It also depends on what kind of excercise they are doing. But usually its red against blue team. rules and objective are selected and then umpires stay with teams and score their performances and also decide who is dead and who is not. and who wins and who doesnt.

oh ok thank you...i get the idea now, its abit like QUAKE iii: Arena      

[faz101]

watch old army movies. they portray the practice real good. I think dirty dozen have an excercise scene. It also depends on what kind of excercise they are doing. But usually its red against blue team. rules and objective are selected and then umpires stay with teams and score their performances and also decide who is dead and who is not. and who wins and who doesnt.

if anyone has the time read the stephen e ambrose book 'Pegasus Bridge'. it'll give you a good idea of how companies usually practise exercises and drills as well as what stepping into combat is like. amazing book....

[air marshal]

Whats the option ahead of Z-9 or WZ-10 for PA?

[pilot_dude]

[color=#FF0000]when joining pak-army, o they test or want to know wether you can read/write urdu?[color=#FF0000]

[GreenBeret]

[color=#FF0000]when joining pak-army, o they test or want to know wether you can read/write urdu?[color=#FF0000]

yes they do,its called preliminary test.

[pilot_dude]

yes they do,its called preliminary test.

thanx green! looks like i have to start from ALIF, BEH, PEH, GEEM, HE, CHE...dont know any after that. :D
(i probably got th above wrong too!)
        



Pilot_dude

[GreenBeret]

thanx green! looks like i have to start from ALIF, BEH, PEH, GEEM, HE, CHE...dont know any after that. :D
(i probably got th above wrong too!)
        
Pilot_dude

its a damn simple test man.nothing big.

[pilot_dude]

its a damn simple test man.nothing big.

now thats comforting!

[wastash]

Does the Pakistan Army still have the rank of Second Lieutenant or has it been scrapped?

[GreenBeret]

Does the Pakistan Army still have the rank of Second Lieutenant or has it been scrapped?

yes it maintains this rank.

[sobank]

this rank recently i dont know who gets this rank but in the 90's when a commissioned officer would get a second Lt. rank. which would then after their first posting turned into a full captain.

[wastash]

this rank recently i dont know who gets this rank but in the 90's when a commissioned officer would get a second Lt. rank. which would then after their first posting turned into a full captain.

I thought you went from IILt. to Lt. and then to Capt. I think the Second Lt. rank been scrapped in most countries. The IA did away with it in 2000 I believe.

[faz101]

if i remember correctly you used to be a 2nd Lt. for 6mnths after you left PMA...may have changed i don't know

[Yahya]

[color=#FF0000]What is diffrence between Cavalry & Armoured Regiments?[color=#FF0000]

cavalry in modern terms pretty much means Tanks

while armoured regiment can mean a lot of things..

it can mean armoured infantry or armoured transport or tanks or armoured etc etc etc....

if anyone has the time read the stephen e ambrose book 'Pegasus Bridge'. it'll give you a good idea of how companies usually practise exercises and drills as well as what stepping into combat is like. amazing book....

or just watch band of brothers several times..

(you seem to pick up more data after 3 4 times of watching it...)

[faz101]

yahya i know what you mean. the interest thing about pegasus bridge though was the fact that the operation by the british paratroopers to capture the bridge was a coup de main (basically this one company was completely seperate from all other allied force on d-day. they're success or failure would determine whether d-day succeded or failed). due to this there was no other authority over them and that's why its interesting watching the amount of freedom they got relative to other companies at the time.

read it though, it's not very long but extremely interesting.

[Yahya]

hmmm,,,

interesting...:D

[Pathfinder]

My Question.

The question is about Para & Marines. Do we have a proper Airborne and Marine Units/Regiments Never heard there being any??

[GreenBeret]

My Question.

The question is about Para & Marines. Do we have a proper Airborne and Marine Units/Regiments Never heard there being any??

The airborne "units" are SSG only.

Marines are in Navy but used for guarding installations.

[faz101]

My Question.

The question is about Para & Marines. Do we have a proper Airborne and Marine Units/Regiments Never heard there being any??

no para units as yet. there is a special operations task force (SOTF) that was formed for waziristan which did have helo support but i don't know if that's going to be a permanent fixture. personnally i'd like the PA to explore the flexibility offered by airborne forces but that's besides the point.

yes we do have marines in the navy but they're quite small scale and have mostly been for protection of ports etc. they've given them more goodies recently including 4 hovercraft used to patrol some marshes past karachi i think. on the PN website it does say soemthing about how the marines have recently established a school of amphibious warfare or soemthing so lets see what happens there....the force is only about 10-12 yrs old so still needs to mature a bit.

hope that helps.

[sobank]

paratroopers were the demand of the countries which were in fight with an enemy and their is lots of distance between the two and the land between two was either not a friendly one or it was logistic nightmare. Time was also another factor.

pakisan never had to face any of these restraints so they never had any paratrooper. Adding to this our naval strategy was never to conqur the enemy shores and thats why we never had any marines. in all of our navy operations we just destroy there shore lines and came back.

another factor is the fancy name thing. we officially never gave any part specialized unit any name. no matter what one say, a ranger is army, a scout is army everything is army :) . No ranger, no navy sealz, no marines etc. we dont even catagorize our SSG.  All of them are just commandos. :)

Part of the reason is that a PA soldier is an all terain soldier rather than a specific area specialisit. a person serving in quetta will also serve in karachi. a person in Kharian will serve in siachin and kashmir. A person on east border will protect the west border too. Just like one ssg for navy and for army. (Though just recently I heard that they are coming up with more specialized units. Note units not a whole thing)

[faz101]

just out of interest...what do u guys think would be the benefits (or not) of splitting the special forces units of all 3 services and forming them under a joint structure as in the US where you have JSOC? any comments...

[Yahya]

sobank....but airborne are good at getting behind enemy lines....for example in the normandy campeign, if the airborn was not landed behind enemy lines to capture key locations....then the landings would have resulted in slaughter...

but then, they didnt have sams those days...and they had an awfully large numbers of DC3s lol....we doent have this....and thus instead of having soldiers, who are difrent from other soldiers, in that, they jump out of a plane...is not cost effective, as having commandos instead of regular soldiers jumping out of planes...for one, the commandos pack a far harder punch and also they doent get shreded as easily...so......


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wanted to add, we doent have a huge big atlantic wall, infront of us to scale....like sobank said....i repeat...we have varius ways to get inside india...!

[sobank]

wanted to add, we doent have a huge big atlantic wall, infront of us to scale....like sobank said....i repeat...we have varius ways to get inside india...!

DC3 and tons of gliders. and dont forget that Normandy was a desperate attack. and allied already tried to do the job with bombers but couldnt do so.

Distance along with other things is a big problem as yahya said. we dont have that. If a pakistani soldier spits, it will fall in indian territory.

And most importantly Paras are used in assault to obtain some objective. today that is done by cruise missiles.

[GreenBeret]

sobank....but airborne are good at getting behind enemy lines....for example in the normandy campeign, if the airborn was not landed behind enemy lines to capture key locations....then the landings would have resulted in slaughter...

but then, they didnt have sams those days...and they had an awfully large numbers of DC3s lol....we doent have this....and thus instead of having soldiers, who are difrent from other soldiers, in that, they jump out of a plane...is not cost effective, as having commandos instead of regular soldiers jumping out of planes...for one, the commandos pack a far harder punch and also they doent get shreded as easily...so......
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wanted to add, we doent have a huge big atlantic wall, infront of us to scale....like sobank said....i repeat...we have varius ways to get inside india...!

Airborne operations would require a good enuff SEAD operations before hand and momentary control of airspace.In subcontinent scenario,Armoured divisions are used for a push in enemy territory to gain ground.Airborne operations have been used for sabotage,not for holding ground e.g.1965 war,Pakistan dropping SSG on IAF airfields and IAF dropping commandos on Pak artillery battery etc.

[pilot_dude]

WHEN DID THE AK47 JOIN SERVICE IN PAKISTAN ARMY?


ANSWER WILL BE MUCH APRECIATED :)  

[faz101]

WHEN DID THE AK47 JOIN SERVICE IN PAKISTAN ARMY?
ANSWER WILL BE MUCH APRECIATED :)  

can't be exact but approx. after 71 war i think... (just based on the fact that i haven't seen any photos of PDF with AK-47s prior to 71). remember the entire country was flooded with AK-47s during the afghan invasion so maybe around then as well....

BTW GB, any info on this incident where indians dropped commandos to attack PA artillery would be appreciated...

[pilot_dude]

can't be exact but approx. after 71 war i think... (just based on the fact that i haven't seen any photos of PDF with AK-47s prior to 71). remember the entire country was flooded with AK-47s during the afghan invasion so maybe around then as well....

BTW GB, any info on this incident where indians dropped commandos to attack PA artillery would be appreciated...

oh yes! that meaks more sense now, ty fazo! and also the fact that while israel killed militants in ME, and captured haps on weaponry...this captured weaponry was thrown on a cargo ship and sent to karachi!

yay!

[bitter_reality]

My Question

I have knee locking and when I cough I see no motion in my balls.
Does this disqualify me on medical grounds from applying in the army?

Thanks

[ac/dc]

My Question

I have knee locking and when I cough I see no motion in my balls.
Does this disqualify me on medical grounds from applying in the army?

Thanks

My friend applied for Army on technical ground to be a lietnant.
Got 75% marks cleared written test.
Went for SSB, he got selected in top 20 but in interview he told i have knee nox so they rejected.

for pilots knee kox is a sure rejection dont know about army, dont think you can make it directly to leutnant post though.

[MirBadshah]

My question is;
There are incidents where a high rank guy from forces is misusing his position in public, what is the proper forum to lodge a complaint in such situation? Do forces have any department to handle such matters?[b]

[blain2]

My friend applied for Army on technical ground to be a lietnant.
Got 75% marks cleared written test.
Went for SSB, he got selected in top 20 but in interview he told i have knee nox so they rejected.

for pilots knee kox is a sure rejection dont know about army, dont think you can make it directly to leutnant post though.

Oh yaar you guys are funny!!  

The phenomena that you are referring to I believe is "knocking knees"...which essentially means that when you run, the knees knock against each other thus impeding your running....knocking knees, Flat-feet, colour blindness, hernia, very poor eyesight are all grounds for disqualification.

can't be exact but approx. after 71 war i think... (just based on the fact that i haven't seen any photos of PDF with AK-47s prior to 71). remember the entire country was flooded with AK-47s during the afghan invasion so maybe around then as well....

BTW GB, any info on this incident where indians dropped commandos to attack PA artillery would be appreciated...

Type-56 (AK-47s) were inducted arond 66-67 timeframe after the 65 war when Chinese started supplying armaments to Pakistan.  Go to Corbis and search for Pakistan Army and you will see pictures of PA jawans with Type-56s during the 1971 war.

Airborne operations would require a good enuff SEAD operations before hand and momentary control of airspace.In subcontinent scenario,Armoured divisions are used for a push in enemy territory to gain ground.Airborne operations have been used for sabotage,not for holding ground e.g.1965 war,Pakistan dropping SSG on IAF airfields and IAF dropping commandos on Pak artillery battery etc.

India and specifically IA have never dropped their commandoes against Pakistani artillery positions....they have conducted one airborne drop and that was in East Pakistan to bypass Pakistani defences there.