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[Pak-Eye]

Sorry Shehz bro, that was a missed one ...

Not at all, we recognize India, trade with them, we aren't friends by a long shot, they do threaten us from time to time, and we do care if they commit attrocities in Kashmir.

Care alone haven't changed the state of neither Palestine nor the Kashmir; more like Arab League's 'we do care and we do condemn' statement

We do the same with UK and US.

Like we witnessed in Iraq or Afghanistan? Its funny even to discuss this when we know our sorry state, all Muslims combined

Israel won't be any different at all.

Here is the serious debate. How Israel won't be any different?:

1. Israel is managing and owning the World Monetary System
2. Israel is managing and owning the World Media and Broadcasting outlets, even the ones that are broadcasted in Arabic!
3. Leave the whole Israeli lobby in US; for AIPAC alone the President of US has to make sure to address the 'zionists' with proper tone
4. Israel is penetrating the US defence corporaes even the most sensitive ones where very near in future it would surpass the US in military technology; already in avionics its the number 1
5. Stronger than the white house and mightier than the congress, is the Israeli lobby in US and thats a fact

The list is endless; we can wish and pray that both will be alive in next 10 years to come back to this thread and see how wrong and how right we were

No matter how strong and 'respected' and secular your enemy is, at no point anyone will 'recognize' his enemy diplomatically if he is the murderer of your brother.

Would you?

[Felicius]

No matter how strong and 'respected' and secular your enemy is, at no point anyone will 'recognize' his enemy diplomatically if he is the murderer of your brother.

Would you?

We recognize both, India and US.
We are doing it as we type, it's not about would we or won't.

[Pak-Eye]

We recognize both, India and US.
We are doing it as we type, it's not about would we or won't.

Their creation was not based on illegal occupation or with the sole objectives of mass killings of Arab gentiles

Criteria of Israel's creation and existance is as clear as daylight; no wise man would add another 'friedly ally' to its list, by recognizing Israel out of financial or military benefits alone

[Felicius]

Their creation was not based on illegal occupation or with the sole objectives of mass killings of Arab gentiles

Criteria of Israel's creation and existance is as clear as daylight; no wise man would add another 'friedly ally' to its list, by recognizing Israel out of financial or military benefits alone

Then you don't care about the latter actions, as long as they said we won't do it at the time of invasion?
Yeh kaha-n ki logic hai yaar.

India didn't say it then, nor does it admit today, but they are doing it more than ever, aren't they?
Then why the diplomatic recognition of India.

But again, we don't necessarily have to be friends with Israel, to recognize them diplomatically, we recognize other such states as well.

[Pak-Eye]

Its very simple ...

If we knew it back in 40s about the upcoming massaccre of Muslims, we wouldn't have recognized endia then. Even then we were not in a position to do so

Today endia is world's biggest secular nation; US is super power; even if we want to, we cannot un-recognize them

Israel; fact is unlike above two states, we still have choice of not recognizing the biggest enemy of Muslims i.e Israel

Why to do so?

1. Moral and religious obligations (at times symbolic stances define the morale of nations)

2. Your main argument is that we most probably would get military stuff and financial support; to certain extent yes but everything has price; nothing comes without strings. Thats not the concern though; why loose the honor? Why support a murderer when you have an easy choice of not supporting him?

Do the maths and take a look at Turkey and Jordon; few modern F-16s or few supportive words in Security Council won't make any difference; placing trust in these UN oriented resolutions when we have witnessed the Kashmir saga, is plainly immature

[aziqbal]

Israel is a bad a$$ but they are not the only enemys of Islam

Russia has waged war on Ottoman muslims for over 600 years, ever since 7th Century Tartars and Golden Horde they have tried to wipe out muslims

They grabbed land from Turks attacked Iran and grabbed all the land in Central Asia, they attacked Bosnia and are always looking to kill more muslims

All the areas and land between and around the Black and Caspian Sea was muslims

Then they wiped out a countrys entire generation in Afghanistan in 1980s, they killed so many people they lost count around 10% of the total population

Turkey-Iran and Pakistan have a bone to settle with Russia and I hope we settle it soon, a joint attack would be a good start, Japan should re-take Kuril and Sakhalin and China should take Siberia and advance all the way to Ural mountains and I know they can do it if they want

[khh]

I guess we shold stay away from Israel if we wanna be safe in this world.....see what they did to Turkey nowadayz...trying to backstab them , spreading terrorism all over within their country......