If you think that PLAN have better ships and submarines than just proof it, dont talk too much!! I have already writen why Indian Navy will have better ships and submarines than others.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 10:32 PM
For my one post you need to answer with four. See ur IQ....lol. And use of slang dont mean ur are better.....what do you mean by the word 'bhindia', I think only a Pakistani can understand the meaning but u r from china!!!!
If you think that PLAN have better ships and submarines than just proof it, dont talk too much!! I have already writen why Indian Navy will have better ships and submarines than others.
If you think that PLAN have better ships and submarines than just proof it, dont talk too much!! I have already writen why Indian Navy will have better ships and submarines than others.
Kangra is in Himachal Pradesh of India.
i am actually from Kalpa,Kinnaur . its like a dream land. we are locally called as Kinner. Currently a student.
i am actually from Kalpa,Kinnaur . its like a dream land. we are locally called as Kinner. Currently a student.
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 12:47 AM
Why P-8 considered to revolutionize anti-submarine warfare.....
The ruler of the sea
http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archi...iers_mar_07.pdf
Go to page number 3 and 12........
Meet the P-8A
U.S. Navy pilots around the world agree: the four-propeller P-3 is a
venerable platform—a turboprop aircraft based on the Lockheed L-188
airframe—and has a tremendous safety record. For more than 40 years
it’s been a Navy workhorse. However, the worldwide fleet of P-3s is aging
rapidly, and time has come to upgrade this antisubmarine aircraft.
The Boeing P-8A Poseidon has a lot of advantages over the P-3, said Pat
Nash, P-8A Business Development manager for IDS and a former P-3 pilot.
The P-8A is built on the Next-Generation 737-800 commercial jet aircraft
platform, with Next-Generation 737-900ER (Extended Range) wings and
two jet engines. Above all else, Nash said, this design gives the U.S. Navy
the capability to go higher, farther and faster than its P-3s can.
The P-8As is air-refuelable, allowing the aircraft to remain airborne for
more than 20 hours. And the aircraft also has a lot more room inside,
meaning the P-8A has room for growth and systems upgrade or expansion.
That makes the aircraft very versatile. “This is an advantage
because you always find other things for the aircraft to do,” Nash said.
The P-8A design also improves upon the antisubmarine-warfare mission
capabilities of the P-3. Sonobuoys are one of several mission systems
used in antisubmarine warfare. They are transported aboard the aircraft
and then deployed to passively or actively “listen” for objects in the water.
Sonobuoys can be programmed to control how long they’ll sit in the water
before they sink and to specify transmission channels and desired depth.
The P-3 carries 48 sonobuoys externally in its belly and 36 inside. The
P-8A can carry 120 of them inside the aircraft. “On the P-3 you have to
select all information for the sonobuoys that go in the belly before flying,”
Nash said. “On the P-8A, all of them are internal to the aircraft so information
can be selected in real time on the mission.”
Because the P-8A can fly higher, the aircrew will be able to monitor more
buoys in the water and cover a greater search area.
The P-8A features various sensors. The P-8A will have dedicated antennas to
detect radio signals from the sonobuoys and acoustic processors to translate
audio data into visual information to the mission operators. It also features
electro-optical/infrared capability; a next-generation radar in the nose of the
airplane with multiple maritime search and weather-avoidance modes; and
a magnetic anomaly detector. This digitized system detects disturbances
in the earth’s magnetic field made by metallic objects such as submarines.
Electronic surveillance equipment detects radar, and a self-protection suite
determines whether the aircraft is in danger, to counter those threats.
The P-8A also has the capability to carry 11 weapons: two on each wing,
two in the open air on the fuselage forward of the wing and five in an
internal bomb bay aft of the wing.
—Debby Arkell
The ruler of the sea
http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archi...iers_mar_07.pdf
Go to page number 3 and 12........
Meet the P-8A
U.S. Navy pilots around the world agree: the four-propeller P-3 is a
venerable platform—a turboprop aircraft based on the Lockheed L-188
airframe—and has a tremendous safety record. For more than 40 years
it’s been a Navy workhorse. However, the worldwide fleet of P-3s is aging
rapidly, and time has come to upgrade this antisubmarine aircraft.
The Boeing P-8A Poseidon has a lot of advantages over the P-3, said Pat
Nash, P-8A Business Development manager for IDS and a former P-3 pilot.
The P-8A is built on the Next-Generation 737-800 commercial jet aircraft
platform, with Next-Generation 737-900ER (Extended Range) wings and
two jet engines. Above all else, Nash said, this design gives the U.S. Navy
the capability to go higher, farther and faster than its P-3s can.
The P-8As is air-refuelable, allowing the aircraft to remain airborne for
more than 20 hours. And the aircraft also has a lot more room inside,
meaning the P-8A has room for growth and systems upgrade or expansion.
That makes the aircraft very versatile. “This is an advantage
because you always find other things for the aircraft to do,” Nash said.
The P-8A design also improves upon the antisubmarine-warfare mission
capabilities of the P-3. Sonobuoys are one of several mission systems
used in antisubmarine warfare. They are transported aboard the aircraft
and then deployed to passively or actively “listen” for objects in the water.
Sonobuoys can be programmed to control how long they’ll sit in the water
before they sink and to specify transmission channels and desired depth.
The P-3 carries 48 sonobuoys externally in its belly and 36 inside. The
P-8A can carry 120 of them inside the aircraft. “On the P-3 you have to
select all information for the sonobuoys that go in the belly before flying,”
Nash said. “On the P-8A, all of them are internal to the aircraft so information
can be selected in real time on the mission.”
Because the P-8A can fly higher, the aircrew will be able to monitor more
buoys in the water and cover a greater search area.
The P-8A features various sensors. The P-8A will have dedicated antennas to
detect radio signals from the sonobuoys and acoustic processors to translate
audio data into visual information to the mission operators. It also features
electro-optical/infrared capability; a next-generation radar in the nose of the
airplane with multiple maritime search and weather-avoidance modes; and
a magnetic anomaly detector. This digitized system detects disturbances
in the earth’s magnetic field made by metallic objects such as submarines.
Electronic surveillance equipment detects radar, and a self-protection suite
determines whether the aircraft is in danger, to counter those threats.
The P-8A also has the capability to carry 11 weapons: two on each wing,
two in the open air on the fuselage forward of the wing and five in an
internal bomb bay aft of the wing.
—Debby Arkell
Kangra is in Himachal Pradesh of India.
i am actually from Kalpa,Kinnaur . its like a dream land. we are locally called as Kinner. Currently a student.
i am actually from Kalpa,Kinnaur . its like a dream land. we are locally called as Kinner. Currently a student.
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For my one post you need to answer with four. See ur IQ....lol. And use of slang dont mean ur are better.....what do you mean by the word 'bhindia', I think only a Pakistani can understand the meaning but u r from china!!!! LOLANI.GIF
If you think that PLAN have better ships and submarines than just proof it, dont talk too much!! I have already writen why Indian Navy will have better ships and submarines than other
If you think that PLAN have better ships and submarines than just proof it, dont talk too much!! I have already writen why Indian Navy will have better ships and submarines than other
stupid bhindian,i only see your bigmouth,tell me ,which type conventional submarine can you develop by yourself?we deployed our SSBN and SSN 30 years ago,where is your nucleare sub?where is it?where is your better ship?only on paper?
tell me .which ship in your navy can compete with our 054A,052C and 071LPD?which submarine in your navy can compete with our 041 yuan,093 SSN and 094 SSBN ,let alone we develop it by ourself,what you only can do is import from others,what a loser!
ok i know,you have better ship on paper,LOL
you only have bigmouth,mark my word!
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 03:00 AM
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and you stupid bhindian's GDP only 1/3 of china,
your R&D expenditure only 1/6 of china,
your industry output only 1/7 of china
your shipbuilding industry only 1/10 of china,
you dream you are best navy in aisa.
LOL
what a loser!
your R&D expenditure only 1/6 of china,
your industry output only 1/7 of china
your shipbuilding industry only 1/10 of china,
you dream you are best navy in aisa.
LOL
what a loser!
mark my words,tell you what pathetic situation you are in!
this is REALITY
you can day dreaming all day in your home,but post so much BS in this forum can only make others laugh
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 01:43 PM
QUOTE(chengdusudise @ Jan 29 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and Indian navy is in the most pathetic situation,all of its advanced vessel is imported from others ,haha,their domestic vessel not only has very poor quality,but also almost all of its weapon and other device has to be imported! what a loser
Yeah, having good foreign relations is hillarious.
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Posted 04 February 2008 - 08:17 AM
QUOTE(chengdusudise @ Jan 30 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
stupid bhindian,i only see your bigmouth,tell me ,which type conventional submarine can you develop by yourself?we deployed our SSBN and SSN 30 years ago,where is your nucleare sub?where is it?where is your better ship?only on paper?
tell me .which ship in your navy can compete with our 054A,052C and 071LPD?which submarine in your navy can compete with our 041 yuan,093 SSN and 094 SSBN ,let alone we develop it by ourself,what you only can do is import from others,what a loser!
ok i know,you have better ship on paper,LOL
you only have bigmouth,mark my word!
tell me .which ship in your navy can compete with our 054A,052C and 071LPD?which submarine in your navy can compete with our 041 yuan,093 SSN and 094 SSBN ,let alone we develop it by ourself,what you only can do is import from others,what a loser!
ok i know,you have better ship on paper,LOL
you only have bigmouth,mark my word!
Only china have paper weapons thats are based on sinodefense. lol and you so called SSN dont dare to come out from yellow sea. lol
Kangra is in Himachal Pradesh of India.
i am actually from Kalpa,Kinnaur . its like a dream land. we are locally called as Kinner. Currently a student.
i am actually from Kalpa,Kinnaur . its like a dream land. we are locally called as Kinner. Currently a student.
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Posted 04 February 2008 - 10:15 AM
chengdusudise , please take few of your super weapons and do some exercise with at least your friends... Let the others make some review about it rather than u yourself saying .. ours is the best...Lol.. In short words as u say..."Dont talk like Indians"
At least few of our systems.. domestic or imported have some some special praise or criticism from the countries we have done exercise with...!!!!!!
At least few of our systems.. domestic or imported have some some special praise or criticism from the countries we have done exercise with...!!!!!!
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Posted 04 February 2008 - 12:40 PM
chengdusususu...(whatever).. I urge you to comment by using your brain ..not your ass..oops forget that u don't have that (brain offcorse)..
I urge you to comment by using your brain ..not your ass..oops forget that u don't have that (brain offcorse)..
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Posted 04 February 2008 - 06:52 PM
QUOTE(chengdusudise @ Jan 30 2008, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
stupid bhindian,i only see your bigmouth,tell me ,which type conventional submarine can you develop by yourself?we deployed our SSBN and SSN 30 years ago,where is your nucleare sub?where is it?where is your better ship?only on paper?
tell me .which ship in your navy can compete with our 054A,052C and 071LPD?which submarine in your navy can compete with our 041 yuan,093 SSN and 094 SSBN ,let alone we develop it by ourself,what you only can do is import from others,what a loser!
ok i know,you have better ship on paper,LOL
you only have bigmouth,mark my word!
tell me .which ship in your navy can compete with our 054A,052C and 071LPD?which submarine in your navy can compete with our 041 yuan,093 SSN and 094 SSBN ,let alone we develop it by ourself,what you only can do is import from others,what a loser!
ok i know,you have better ship on paper,LOL
you only have bigmouth,mark my word!
don't act like a little child with this kind of language and embarrass yourself.
Titan_1984, you are delusional.
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Posted 05 February 2008 - 02:00 AM
Japan
China
India
South Korea
This should be the choice table all others are least impressive.
PS: Why don`t i see
Russia ? (More capable nuke subs than anyone up there)(Bigger surface combatants although old than anyone up there
and packed with explosive power)
Default best : USN (They are always nearby as you know) even in Asia :)
China
India
South Korea
This should be the choice table all others are least impressive.
PS: Why don`t i see
Russia ? (More capable nuke subs than anyone up there)(Bigger surface combatants although old than anyone up there
and packed with explosive power)
Default best : USN (They are always nearby as you know) even in Asia :)
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Posted 05 February 2008 - 02:16 AM
QUOTE(usmanali @ Feb 5 2008, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Japan
China
India
South Korea
This should be the choice table all others are least impressive.
PS: Why don`t i see
Russia ? (More capable nuke subs than anyone up there)(Bigger surface combatants although old than anyone up there
and packed with explosive power)
Default best : USN (They are always nearby as you know) even in Asia :)
China
India
South Korea
This should be the choice table all others are least impressive.
PS: Why don`t i see
Russia ? (More capable nuke subs than anyone up there)(Bigger surface combatants although old than anyone up there
and packed with explosive power)
Default best : USN (They are always nearby as you know) even in Asia :)
You are the most knowledgeable person in PDF, can I ask you a few questions as you mentioned Japan will be the best Navy in Asia by 2020, with respect to India. Yes I know Japan will be one of the best Navies in this region but...
1. Will Japan have any nuclear submarine?
2. Will Japan have any aircraft carrier?
3. Will Japan have any SSK compared to Scorpene?
4. Will Japan have any thing like hypersonic anti-ship missile?
Thanx.
Kangra is in Himachal Pradesh of India.
i am actually from Kalpa,Kinnaur . its like a dream land. we are locally called as Kinner. Currently a student.
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Posted 05 February 2008 - 02:57 AM
1. Will Japan have any nuclear submarine?
They can make one. Trust me if China pushes them . They will make a nuke sub and US will make it sure they do .
2. Will Japan have any aircraft carrier?
You are asking me about a nation that had the largest aircraft carrier in WW2 "Shinano". Japan is a defensive force now. They do not require aircraft carriers which are for offensive capability "mostly". But if they can make things like this
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ddh-x.htm ,carriers are not a far cry.
3. Will Japan have any SSK compared to Scorpene?
Scorpene is not the deadliest beast out there. Yes Indian nuclear punch in subs will be a threat to anyone out there thanks to generous Russians and good Indian economy to fund such beasts.
Japanese do have submarines and are working on better ones. A list is available here.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ship.htm
4. Will Japan have any thing like hypersonic anti-ship missile?
If Taiwanese can make HF-3 which boasts Mach 2.34.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/imagen/07/729447.JPG
http://www.fas.org/news/taiwan/2000/taiwan-001203.htm
Why not Japan?
Missiles like Yahkont, Brahmos and Sunburn are deadly and will not have their peers in very near future.
Russian superiority in supersonic missile technology is a fact and is only available to India and China. US hasnt shown too much interest in this technology in past but that will change with pentagon`s interest in hypersonic development of their own. As you should know that US helped Russia solve issues related to KH-31 :) Yes they worked together.
They can make one. Trust me if China pushes them . They will make a nuke sub and US will make it sure they do .
2. Will Japan have any aircraft carrier?
You are asking me about a nation that had the largest aircraft carrier in WW2 "Shinano". Japan is a defensive force now. They do not require aircraft carriers which are for offensive capability "mostly". But if they can make things like this
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ddh-x.htm ,carriers are not a far cry.
3. Will Japan have any SSK compared to Scorpene?
Scorpene is not the deadliest beast out there. Yes Indian nuclear punch in subs will be a threat to anyone out there thanks to generous Russians and good Indian economy to fund such beasts.
Japanese do have submarines and are working on better ones. A list is available here.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ship.htm
4. Will Japan have any thing like hypersonic anti-ship missile?
If Taiwanese can make HF-3 which boasts Mach 2.34.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/imagen/07/729447.JPG
http://www.fas.org/news/taiwan/2000/taiwan-001203.htm
Why not Japan?
Missiles like Yahkont, Brahmos and Sunburn are deadly and will not have their peers in very near future.
Russian superiority in supersonic missile technology is a fact and is only available to India and China. US hasnt shown too much interest in this technology in past but that will change with pentagon`s interest in hypersonic development of their own. As you should know that US helped Russia solve issues related to KH-31 :) Yes they worked together.
- All great ideas are simple. The trick is to see them before others.
- Vegre nem butulok tovabb (Finally I am becoming stupider no more) -the epitaph Paul Erdos wrote for himself
- "speak softly, but carry a big stick" - Chinese proverb
- History shows that there are no invincible armies and that there never have been- Stalin
- "Why does shame and self-loathing become cruelty to the innocent?"- Anne Rice
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Posted 05 February 2008 - 03:53 AM
QUOTE(usmanali @ Feb 5 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Will Japan have any nuclear submarine?
They can make one. Trust me if China pushes them . They will make a nuke sub and US will make it sure they do .
2. Will Japan have any aircraft carrier?
You are asking me about a nation that had the largest aircraft carrier in WW2 "Shinano". Japan is a defensive force now. They do not require aircraft carriers which are for offensive capability "mostly". But if they can make things like this
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ddh-x.htm ,carriers are not a far cry.
3. Will Japan have any SSK compared to Scorpene?
Scorpene is not the deadliest beast out there. Yes Indian nuclear punch in subs will be a threat to anyone out there thanks to generous Russians and good Indian economy to fund such beasts.
Japanese do have submarines and are working on better ones. A list is available here.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ship.htm
4. Will Japan have any thing like hypersonic anti-ship missile?
If Taiwanese can make HF-3 which boasts Mach 2.34.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/imagen/07/729447.JPG
http://www.fas.org/news/taiwan/2000/taiwan-001203.htm
Why not Japan?
Missiles like Yahkont, Brahmos and Sunburn are deadly and will not have their peers in very near future.
Russian superiority in supersonic missile technology is a fact and is only available to India and China. US hasnt shown too much interest in this technology in past but that will change with pentagon`s interest in hypersonic development of their own. As you should know that US helped Russia solve issues related to KH-31 :) Yes they worked together.
They can make one. Trust me if China pushes them . They will make a nuke sub and US will make it sure they do .
2. Will Japan have any aircraft carrier?
You are asking me about a nation that had the largest aircraft carrier in WW2 "Shinano". Japan is a defensive force now. They do not require aircraft carriers which are for offensive capability "mostly". But if they can make things like this
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ddh-x.htm ,carriers are not a far cry.
3. Will Japan have any SSK compared to Scorpene?
Scorpene is not the deadliest beast out there. Yes Indian nuclear punch in subs will be a threat to anyone out there thanks to generous Russians and good Indian economy to fund such beasts.
Japanese do have submarines and are working on better ones. A list is available here.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ship.htm
4. Will Japan have any thing like hypersonic anti-ship missile?
If Taiwanese can make HF-3 which boasts Mach 2.34.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/imagen/07/729447.JPG
http://www.fas.org/news/taiwan/2000/taiwan-001203.htm
Why not Japan?
Missiles like Yahkont, Brahmos and Sunburn are deadly and will not have their peers in very near future.
Russian superiority in supersonic missile technology is a fact and is only available to India and China. US hasnt shown too much interest in this technology in past but that will change with pentagon`s interest in hypersonic development of their own. As you should know that US helped Russia solve issues related to KH-31 :) Yes they worked together.
Thanx for the info Usman. But the big question is not about their capabilities but intention to build such weapons! I think, the answer will be no.
Kangra is in Himachal Pradesh of India.
i am actually from Kalpa,Kinnaur . its like a dream land. we are locally called as Kinner. Currently a student.
i am actually from Kalpa,Kinnaur . its like a dream land. we are locally called as Kinner. Currently a student.
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Posted 05 February 2008 - 11:27 AM
Viz. Compact naval forces, i would have to vote South Korea. Japanese technolghical and industrial infastructure could potentially be comparable with USN.
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Posted 06 February 2008 - 01:52 AM
well we need atleast 5 super carriers..nuke powered...suggest scrapping one from the ADS list of 3...so two ADS ships along with Gorshkov...
the ADS
Displacement: 37,500 tons
Length: 252 metres
Beam: 58 metres
Draught: 8.4 metres
Propulsion
and power: General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines, driving four shafts.
Speed: 28 knots
Range: 7,500 miles at 18 knots
Complement: approximately 1,400
Aircraft: 30 total
MiG-29K
HAL Tejas
HAL Dhruv
Ka-31 'Helix'
Displacement: 45,000 tons full load
Length: 273.1 m overall
Beam: 31.0 m
Draught: 8.2 m
Propulsion: 4 shaft geared steam turbines, 140,000 hp
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Endurance: 13500 miles at 18 knots
Complement:
Armament: 8 CADS-N-1 Kashtan CIWS
Aircraft carried: 16 MiG-29K
HAL Tejas
Sea Harrier
6 Ka-31 'Helix'
HAL Dhruv
the nuke powered carriers have to be the largest ships in the navy...
Displacement: 100,000 + tons full load
Length: 320 m+ overall
Propulsion: nuclear
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Endurance: unlimited
Complement: 5000
Armament: Huh?
Aircraft carried: 75+
If we have this force level by 2025...i m glad...each battle group must have 1 SSBN(nuke powered), 2 nuke powered attack subs, 3 guided missile cruisers, 3 destroyers, 3 frigates, 2 supply ships, upto 8 AEGIS style air defence ships ( with long range ballistic and cruise missile interceptors)...exclusively for carrier air defence...onto the next point what kind of aircraft on board?? we know we'll have limited mig-29k's and a number of N-LCAs...do we need another type??
chau
the ADS
Displacement: 37,500 tons
Length: 252 metres
Beam: 58 metres
Draught: 8.4 metres
Propulsion
and power: General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines, driving four shafts.
Speed: 28 knots
Range: 7,500 miles at 18 knots
Complement: approximately 1,400
Aircraft: 30 total
MiG-29K
HAL Tejas
HAL Dhruv
Ka-31 'Helix'
Displacement: 45,000 tons full load
Length: 273.1 m overall
Beam: 31.0 m
Draught: 8.2 m
Propulsion: 4 shaft geared steam turbines, 140,000 hp
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Endurance: 13500 miles at 18 knots
Complement:
Armament: 8 CADS-N-1 Kashtan CIWS
Aircraft carried: 16 MiG-29K
HAL Tejas
Sea Harrier
6 Ka-31 'Helix'
HAL Dhruv
the nuke powered carriers have to be the largest ships in the navy...
Displacement: 100,000 + tons full load
Length: 320 m+ overall
Propulsion: nuclear
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Endurance: unlimited
Complement: 5000
Armament: Huh?
Aircraft carried: 75+
If we have this force level by 2025...i m glad...each battle group must have 1 SSBN(nuke powered), 2 nuke powered attack subs, 3 guided missile cruisers, 3 destroyers, 3 frigates, 2 supply ships, upto 8 AEGIS style air defence ships ( with long range ballistic and cruise missile interceptors)...exclusively for carrier air defence...onto the next point what kind of aircraft on board?? we know we'll have limited mig-29k's and a number of N-LCAs...do we need another type??
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well we need atleast 5 super carriers..nuke powered...suggest scrapping one from the ADS list of 3...so two ADS ships along with Gorshkov...
the ADS
Displacement: 37,500 tons
Length: 252 metres
Beam: 58 metres
Draught: 8.4 metres
Propulsion
and power: General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines, driving four shafts.
Speed: 28 knots
Range: 7,500 miles at 18 knots
Complement: approximately 1,400
Aircraft: 30 total
MiG-29K
HAL Tejas
HAL Dhruv
Ka-31 'Helix'
Displacement: 45,000 tons full load
Length: 273.1 m overall
Beam: 31.0 m
Draught: 8.2 m
Propulsion: 4 shaft geared steam turbines, 140,000 hp
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Endurance: 13500 miles at 18 knots
Complement:
Armament: 8 CADS-N-1 Kashtan CIWS
Aircraft carried: 16 MiG-29K
HAL Tejas
Sea Harrier
6 Ka-31 'Helix'
HAL Dhruv
the nuke powered carriers have to be the largest ships in the navy...
Displacement: 100,000 + tons full load
Length: 320 m+ overall
Propulsion: nuclear
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Endurance: unlimited
Complement: 5000
Armament: Huh?
Aircraft carried: 75+
If we have this force level by 2025...i m glad...each battle group must have 1 SSBN(nuke powered), 2 nuke powered attack subs, 3 guided missile cruisers, 3 destroyers, 3 frigates, 2 supply ships, upto 8 AEGIS style air defence ships ( with long range ballistic and cruise missile interceptors)...exclusively for carrier air defence...onto the next point what kind of aircraft on board?? we know we'll have limited mig-29k's and a number of N-LCAs...do we need another type??
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the ADS
Displacement: 37,500 tons
Length: 252 metres
Beam: 58 metres
Draught: 8.4 metres
Propulsion
and power: General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines, driving four shafts.
Speed: 28 knots
Range: 7,500 miles at 18 knots
Complement: approximately 1,400
Aircraft: 30 total
MiG-29K
HAL Tejas
HAL Dhruv
Ka-31 'Helix'
Displacement: 45,000 tons full load
Length: 273.1 m overall
Beam: 31.0 m
Draught: 8.2 m
Propulsion: 4 shaft geared steam turbines, 140,000 hp
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Endurance: 13500 miles at 18 knots
Complement:
Armament: 8 CADS-N-1 Kashtan CIWS
Aircraft carried: 16 MiG-29K
HAL Tejas
Sea Harrier
6 Ka-31 'Helix'
HAL Dhruv
the nuke powered carriers have to be the largest ships in the navy...
Displacement: 100,000 + tons full load
Length: 320 m+ overall
Propulsion: nuclear
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Endurance: unlimited
Complement: 5000
Armament: Huh?
Aircraft carried: 75+
If we have this force level by 2025...i m glad...each battle group must have 1 SSBN(nuke powered), 2 nuke powered attack subs, 3 guided missile cruisers, 3 destroyers, 3 frigates, 2 supply ships, upto 8 AEGIS style air defence ships ( with long range ballistic and cruise missile interceptors)...exclusively for carrier air defence...onto the next point what kind of aircraft on board?? we know we'll have limited mig-29k's and a number of N-LCAs...do we need another type??
chau
ameen Bro...
And it should not be difficult if all goes well with the ADS and our nuke Sub Project...One a Design Proof and other a Nuke Propulsion Proof .....
Asking about the money....our economy by that time would be large enough to afford such formations....the only concern is building capacity for such things...given the scale of it....failures and delay are bound to be there...but that should not bog us down....
People make huge hue and cry about the time and money escalations in big projects ... but none of them understand the scale and magnitude if effort involved....call it learning curve :)
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PLAN
PN
Singapore
Japan
Korea
PN
Singapore
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Korea
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PLAN
PN
Singapore
Japan
Korea
PN
Singapore
Japan
Korea
The ROKN and JMSDF would whoop the PLAN. PN shouldn't even be in the top five, and the RSN is just too small.
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The ROKN and JMSDF would whoop the PLAN. PN shouldn't even be in the top five, and the RSN is just too small.
korean navy would whoop PLAN? prove ur wet dream plz
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Navies need lots of Money
By 2020.
The GDP and naval budgets in size will be in this order
China
Japan
India
South Korea.
They have the capacity to induct the most ships and buy the best tech (in china,s case develope the most)
The rest will be behind these big powers
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The ROKN and JMSDF would whoop the PLAN. PN shouldn't even be in the top five, and the RSN is just too small.
ok JMSDF currently have better ship but ROKN? PLAN O54A is much better than KDX-III. Our F-22P is also much better than KDX-III. So Korean navy is behind PN.
By 2020
PLAN
PN (F-22p ,U214, P-3c)
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Navies need lots of Money
By 2020.
The GDP and naval budgets in size will be in this order
China
Japan
India
South Korea.
They have the capacity to induct the most ships and buy the best tech (in china,s case develope the most)
The rest will be behind these big powers
By 2020.
The GDP and naval budgets in size will be in this order
China
Japan
India
South Korea.
They have the capacity to induct the most ships and buy the best tech (in china,s case develope the most)
The rest will be behind these big powers
Rightly said. I think size of a NAVY is decided by economy. And capability is decided by intentions. And healthy mix of both makes a navy.
As per me by 2020 list might look like this
1 CHINA--->Having both robust economy and intention.
2 INDIA---->Having both robust economy and intention.
3 Japan---->Having robust economy but no intention to have large navy. Because self defence is in core.
4 S.Korea-> Robust economy 4 sure but don't know abt their intentions. I think their intention will be decided by N.Ks move.
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Rightly said. I think size of a NAVY is decided by economy. And capability is decided by intentions. And healthy mix of both makes a navy.
As per me by 2020 list might look like this
1 CHINA--->Having both robust economy and intention.
2 INDIA---->Having both robust economy and intention.
3 Japan---->Having robust economy but no intention to have large navy. Because self defence is in core.
4 S.Korea-> Robust economy 4 sure but don't know abt their intentions. I think their intention will be decided by N.Ks move.
As per me by 2020 list might look like this
1 CHINA--->Having both robust economy and intention.
2 INDIA---->Having both robust economy and intention.
3 Japan---->Having robust economy but no intention to have large navy. Because self defence is in core.
4 S.Korea-> Robust economy 4 sure but don't know abt their intentions. I think their intention will be decided by N.Ks move.
What are the future projects of Japan, South Korea and India?
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QUOTE(Rahul MKI @ Apr 7 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rightly said. I think size of a NAVY is decided by economy. And capability is decided by intentions. And healthy mix of both makes a navy.
As per me by 2020 list might look like this
1 CHINA--->Having both robust economy and intention.
2 INDIA---->Having both robust economy and intention.
3 Japan---->Having robust economy but no intention to have large navy. Because self defence is in core.
4 S.Korea-> Robust economy 4 sure but don't know abt their intentions. I think their intention will be decided by N.Ks move.
As per me by 2020 list might look like this
1 CHINA--->Having both robust economy and intention.
2 INDIA---->Having both robust economy and intention.
3 Japan---->Having robust economy but no intention to have large navy. Because self defence is in core.
4 S.Korea-> Robust economy 4 sure but don't know abt their intentions. I think their intention will be decided by N.Ks move.
IIRC Japan already has (one of) the largest modern fleet in this part of the world, particularly if considering major surface combattants rather than SSKs and small missile or patrol craft.
QUOTE(ZJoseph @ Apr 7 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What are the future projects of Japan, South Korea and India?
Japan: DDH replacement that looks a lot like its the size of a UK Invincible class carrier, further Kongo class AEGIS destroyers (their variation of Arleigh Burke Flight 2A).
South Korea: 3 beefed up Arleigh Burk Flight 2A destroyers, additional LPH/D
India: 2-3 aircraft carriers, 3 more (modified) Talwar, 3 P15A, 3+ P17, some number of P17A, 6 ship P28 class of corvettes, related class of OPVs.
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Rightly said. I think size of a NAVY is decided by economy. And capability is decided by intentions. And healthy mix of both makes a navy.
As per me by 2020 list might look like this
1 CHINA--->Having both robust economy and intention.
2 INDIA---->Having both robust economy and intention.
3 Japan---->Having robust economy but no intention to have large navy. Because self defence is in core.
4 S.Korea-> Robust economy 4 sure but don't know abt their intentions. I think their intention will be decided by N.Ks move.
As per me by 2020 list might look like this
1 CHINA--->Having both robust economy and intention.
2 INDIA---->Having both robust economy and intention.
3 Japan---->Having robust economy but no intention to have large navy. Because self defence is in core.
4 S.Korea-> Robust economy 4 sure but don't know abt their intentions. I think their intention will be decided by N.Ks move.
Very good analyis but I have to disagree on the 2nd and 3rd place rankings.
Currently the Japanese Navy is by far the strongest in Asia. China may have more ships but Japan has a distinct technological edge(bar nuclear submarines as it has none). Japan can do this with only spending 1% of its GDP on defence. When combined with the US Pacific Fleet, the Japanese know that they are secure from any Chinese invasion. Now if your scenario turns out to be true, then a mass attack by the Chinese Navy in 2020 will be able to overwhelm both the Japanese Navy and any US Naval forces that can be counted to help defend Japan. My personal opinion is that Japan may see this as an intolerable situation in 2020, and so will start devoting more of it's expenditure as a % of GDP on defence. Even an extra .5%-1% of GDP devoted to defence, provided the majority goes to the Navy, will mean that the Japanese Navy will be virtually on a par with China by 2020, at least when being able to defend itself against any Chinese attack
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As per my knowledge IN is going to have 3 CBG where as China is having nill.
And for now our present number of the fleet is designed to be 140
and by 2020 the number goes to as much as 200
and in this 200 we are going to have 3 modern carriers of medium tonnage with sate of the art 4.5 gen aircraft taking of from them
As we are going to have 20 P8I and rest with the IL-38 version sea dragons and those can be further improved.
Having state of the art destroyers and frigates numbering around 50
some 30 corvettes with fully equipped
And the the rest makes of with Amphibious assault ships/replenishments/tankers/.............
Dont forget the 24 state of the art tech submarines as we started replacing with the scorpenes
and u can take a bold numbering of atleast 6 SSN/SSBN and those with additives of 2 more AKULA-2
the number goes on.
And for now our present number of the fleet is designed to be 140
and by 2020 the number goes to as much as 200
and in this 200 we are going to have 3 modern carriers of medium tonnage with sate of the art 4.5 gen aircraft taking of from them
As we are going to have 20 P8I and rest with the IL-38 version sea dragons and those can be further improved.
Having state of the art destroyers and frigates numbering around 50
some 30 corvettes with fully equipped
And the the rest makes of with Amphibious assault ships/replenishments/tankers/.............
Dont forget the 24 state of the art tech submarines as we started replacing with the scorpenes
and u can take a bold numbering of atleast 6 SSN/SSBN and those with additives of 2 more AKULA-2
the number goes on.
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 07:32 PM
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As per my knowledge IN is going to have 3 CBG where as China is having nill.
And for now our present number of the fleet is designed to be 140
and by 2020 the number goes to as much as 200
and in this 200 we are going to have 3 modern carriers of medium tonnage with sate of the art 4.5 gen aircraft taking of from them
As we are going to have 20 P8I and rest with the IL-38 version sea dragons and those can be further improved.
Having state of the art destroyers and frigates numbering around 50
some 30 corvettes with fully equipped
And the the rest makes of with Amphibious assault ships/replenishments/tankers/.............
Dont forget the 24 state of the art tech submarines as we started replacing with the scorpenes
and u can take a bold numbering of atleast 6 SSN/SSBN and those with additives of 2 more AKULA-2
the number goes on.
And for now our present number of the fleet is designed to be 140
and by 2020 the number goes to as much as 200
and in this 200 we are going to have 3 modern carriers of medium tonnage with sate of the art 4.5 gen aircraft taking of from them
As we are going to have 20 P8I and rest with the IL-38 version sea dragons and those can be further improved.
Having state of the art destroyers and frigates numbering around 50
some 30 corvettes with fully equipped
And the the rest makes of with Amphibious assault ships/replenishments/tankers/.............
Dont forget the 24 state of the art tech submarines as we started replacing with the scorpenes
and u can take a bold numbering of atleast 6 SSN/SSBN and those with additives of 2 more AKULA-2
the number goes on.
Fuc-k off Great indian monkey and stay with indian sections--don't come here!!
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Fuc-k off Great indian monkey and stay with indian sections--don't come here!!
yio i responded as quiet as i can
why u keep wasting ur mouth
as this is a pakistani forum so u can keep bashing others huh?
i even didnt mentioned which country is the best
just listed the future combatants
the way u replied just makes me feel how inhuman u r
as one of my friend in IDF told that the people in here are so nice and generous ,thats the reason y i joined as soon as he said that
and now after seeing such a mind driven crazy flank i lost all the impression
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 08:39 PM
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yio i responded as quiet as i can
Great Indian--what a freaking joke!! "Gud marining Shir, this is Pittu Ram caallin from indiaa"
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Chinese navy face some stiff opposite in its path of development. First, they must compete with the traditional "land-first" mentality that exists in within the PLA to secure limited funding. Second, their area of operation is limited by the first island chain that is designed to blockade China. India might have more advanced vessels in their arsenal by 2020 due to better relationship with Russia and U.S, but I think in terms of indigenization and size, they will still be behind China.
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