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[vikasrehman]

but doesnt JSF got VTOL or something

So does british harrier/american Av-8. But that does not make them better than say F-16...does it? It all depends on what the fighter is intended for.

[awais786]

So does british harrier/american Av-8. But that does not make them better than say F-16...does it? It all depends on what the fighter is intended for.

so will JXX have the abilaty that F-22 has?       

[Saqr]

According to sources, A-50EhI (IAF's Phacon) are arriving this year. Is this true?

Too bad Israel probably just started producing it, 2006 is the earliest.

[awais786]

how many JXX will PAF in total when they recive em and are they really as good as F-22?                 

[vikasrehman]

how many JXX will PAF in total when they recive em and are they really as good as F-22?

There is nothing which links PAF with J-xx. As for its capabilities, hardly anything is known about the fighter itself and hence a comparsion is not possible. Finally, if china keeps making similar giant strides in aviation field (as it is at present), then in another 15-20 years time they may b able to produce something at the level of present F-22...but by then F-22 is unlikely to remain the most advanced US fighter programme.

[awais786]

There is nothing which links PAF with J-xx. As for its capabilities, hardly anything is known about the fighter itself and hence a comparsion is not possible. Finally, if china keeps making similar giant strides in aviation field (as it is at present), then in another 15-20 years time they may b able to produce something at the level of present F-22...but by then F-22 is unlikely to remain the most advanced US fighter programme.

                

[awais786]

how old do you have to be  to join PAF

[Saqr]

how old do you have to be  to join PAF

To join the cadet academy for officers, atleast 16, by the time you're a fully commissioned fighter pilot, you'll be 24+.

[platinum786]

IN's MiG-29K is project 9.41, more advanced than the orginal MiG-29K, which is project 9.31.

Also, MiG-29K will have Bars-29 phased array radar.

Will the 70 MiG-29s of IAF be upgraded to the MiG-29K project 9.41 standard?

According to Bharat ratsh1t forum, no they won't they are being upgraded with a Zhuk-M radar......or something similar.

[platinum786]

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[awais786]

what is F3?
  

[Donkey Kong]

Is it true that head-up displays are supposed to be mounted at eye-level with a pilot's eyes?

If so, how come I have seen many pictures where the HUD (head-up display) is mounted below a pilot's eye-level. Sometimes, the HUD seems to be mounted slightly below the pilot's head.

Does this mean a pilot usually has to look down at the "head-up" display?

[Malikman]

what is F3?
 

Salaam,

F3 is generally referred to the Dassault Rafale.

The Rafale is going into service in a phased fashion.

The first Rafale delivered are configured to F1 standard, which only includes capabilities for air to air combat and baseline avionic suite. They are armed with a cannon, MICA EM and Magic.

The F2 sttandard will bring in more strike capabilities, including a range of APACHE and Scalp cruise missles.  Add air to surface and terrain following mode to the RBE2 radar and include the OSF sensors and 16 datalink. Along with surface attack weapons, the F2 will permit the carriage of MICA IR and replacing the Magic. The Rafale M (carrier based) will be able to carry a buddy tanker pod (for mid air refueling).

The definite F3 will bring the Rafale to full mulitrole capability with implementation of all current modes with the RBE2 radar, adding AASM capability. It will serve missions such as nuclear strike with the ASMP or ASMP-A, antiship attack with Excocet or ANF and reconnaissance with with Reco NG pod.

The F3 standard will also add DVI, the helmet mounted. All F1 and F2 standard Rafale will be brought up to the F3 standard in course for high ;evel maintainence. Also they will be fitted with high level M88-3 engines.

I hope that helps.

[_saad_]

what is helmet mounted sight and what advantages does the pilot has if he's wearing it ?

[viper007]

what is helmet mounted sight and what advantages does the pilot has if he's wearing it ?

Helmet Mounted Sights are specially modified helmets which correlate the pilot's line of sight with the radar, or the IRST in some cases. Normally, to let off a missile, the pilot has to turn his aircraft. With an HMS, he can turn his head, cue to missile, and launch.

First use of HMS in combat was seen in Vietnam when USAF F-4 Phantoms were using a primitive HMS to cue the AIM-9 missiles. But US dropped the technology after that.

Russians howver followed it and developed the most lethal combination of its times - HMS with R-73 Archer. Israelis made the DASH HMS for their Python-3/4 missiles.

A new Python-4 made with help from Lockheed, can target off-bore targets without an HMS also.

When USAF fighters practiced with German MiG-29s, they realised that anything in forward 45 degrees of the MiG was under threat. And when USN did exercises with Israelis, they were thrashed real bad by to the DASH equipped fighters.

IAF uses MiG-29 and Su-30s equipped with HMS, carrying the R-73 Archer and R-60 Aphid. I think MiG-21 BISON is also equipped with HMS.

VIPER

[Donkey Kong]

Helmet Mounted Sights are specially modified helmets which correlate the pilot's line of sight with the radar, or the IRST in some cases. Normally, to let off a missile, the pilot has to turn his aircraft. With an HMS, he can turn his head, cue to missile, and launch.

First use of HMS in combat was seen in Vietnam when USAF F-4 Phantoms were using a primitive HMS to cue the AIM-9 missiles. But US dropped the technology after that.

Russians howver followed it and developed the most lethal combination of its times - HMS with R-73 Archer. Israelis made the DASH HMS for their Python-3/4 missiles.

A new Python-4 made with help from Lockheed, can target off-bore targets without an HMS also.

When USAF fighters practiced with German MiG-29s, they realised that anything in forward 45 degrees of the MiG was under threat. And when USN did exercises with Israelis, they were thrashed real bad by to the DASH equipped fighters.

IAF uses MiG-29 and Su-30s equipped with HMS, carrying the R-73 Archer and R-60 Aphid. I think MiG-21 BISON is also equipped with HMS.

VIPER

Su-30MKI needs DASH helmet-mounted display.

[awais786]

how much money does a fighter pilot in PAFmakes
and how old do you have to be to join PAF from the courses to flying a plane?
        

[Donkey Kong]

how much money does a fighter pilot in PAFmakes
and how old do you have to be to join PAF from the courses to flying a plane?
       

You wanna join PAF? To fly what, Mirage-III? Cuz there are only 21 F-16A fighters, and they are VERY VERY VERY competitive.

[_saad_]

thank you viper

[Donkey Kong]

Technically, the only aircraft in PAF that can carry a nuke is the A-5.

F-16s and Mirage-III are not supposed to be able to carry nuke.

Only F-15E and Mirage-IV can carry nuke.

[awais786]

You wanna join PAF? To fly what, Mirage-III? Cuz there are only 21 F-16A fighters, and they are VERY VERY VERY competitive.

yea iam goig to join PAF in the near future[insallah]and and hope to fly FC-1  J-10
reafeal[if we get any] and F-16s are going to be last ones on my list, i dont know why but i just want to keep them last on my planes list     

[platinum786]

What kind of UAVs does Pakistan have?, can anybody post the image?
Please List as many aircrafts that can carry nuclear weapons.

Waiting for the RESPONSE.

Pakistan produces UAV's that have ranges from battlefield ranges of 20km to long range 350km. We haveproven technology which is so good in fact the US border control bought UAV's from Pakistan to protrol the southern border of the US.

Instant Excess has/had a website full; of info....

[awais786]

did PAKISTAN and INDIA got F-16s when RICE visited our countries?

[crazyinsane105]

I have a question. How many kills did the PAF have against the Israelis? I am arguing with somebody on sinodefence.com forum that PAF had 13 kills while he is saying that PAF had only 4 kills. Who is right and can you give me credible sources?

[awais786]

I have a question. How many kills did the PAF have against the Israelis? I am arguing with somebody on sinodefence.com forum that PAF had 13 kills while he is saying that PAF had only 4 kills. Who is right and can you give me credible sources?

in the ARAB-ISRAEL war in 1967
PAF downed about 10 ISRAELI planes without losing a single plane of their own.         

[platinum786]

i think you'll find most people say 4.

I don't have a clue....

Good people to ask are....

topgun101
Vikhasrehman
Munir (left)
Lulldapull (got kicked out, wouldn't leave)

[PAF Shaheen]

I have a question. How many kills did the PAF have against the Israelis? I am arguing with somebody on sinodefence.com forum that PAF had 13 kills while he is saying that PAF had only 4 kills. Who is right and can you give me credible sources?

In total, PAF had 4 kills against the IDF/AF (Israeli Defence Force/Air Force), 3 in the 1967 conflict and 1 in 1974.

- On 5th June, 1967, Flight Leutenant (Flt. Lt.) Saiful Azam, flying a Royal Jordanian Air Force (RJAF) Hawker Hunter (from Mafrak Air Base, Jordan), shot down 1 IDF/AF Super Mystere B-2 over Mafrak in an engagement that involved 6 IDF/AF Super Mysteres and 4 RJAF Hawker Hunters.

- Two days later, on 7th June, 1967, Flt.Lt. Saiful Azam, flying an Iraqi Air Force Hawker Hunter (from an airbase in Iraq) shot down 1 IDF/AF Mirage IIICJ and 1 IDF/AF Vatour. The engagement involved 8 IDF/AF vs. 4 Iraqi Air Force aircrafts. (Do not remember which ones, but most likely, IDF/AF had a combination of Mirage IICJ and Vatours, while the Iraqi Air Force probably had all 4 Hunters in that engagement).

- On 26th April, 1974, Flt. Lt. Sattar Alvi. flying a Syrian Air Force MiG-21F (from Dumayr Air Base, Syria) shot down 1 IDF/AF Mirage IIICJ, from a K-13. The engagement involved 2 Syrian Air Force MiG-21F's vs. 2 IDF/AF Mirage IIICJs and 2 IDF/AF F-4 Phantoms.

The last one is the famous incident over Golan. Also, the Syrians had such confidence in the PAF detachment, that they not only allotted them an entire squadron of 8, but also posted PAF personnal for GC. Interestingly, the kill over Golan involved a PAF ground controller.

I hope this helps.

[PAF Shaheen]

how much money does a fighter pilot in PAFmakes
and how old do you have to be to join PAF from the courses to flying a plane?
       

Firstly, do not have excessive hopes regarding the pay cheque that a PAF fighter pilot gets. Atleast that was the case when I left Pakistan, but when I left Pakistan, things were not so good. However, a recent hike in pays did happen. I cannot give u a definite number because the pay changes with ranks, and sometimes, with changing nature of duties.

But let me remind u, I do not know of a single person in the PAF who is there for money. They are either there for the fun of flying, or if not for flying, then to get themselves into the uniform which only the elite of the elite, creme-de la-creame of the Pakistani youth get to wear. Therefore, if ur eyes are locked at the money, PAF is not for u. If u want to know how it feels as if u r gonna explode into smitherins, then give PAF the best shot u have got.

As far as age is concerned, I think it is 14, but I am not sure. But whatever ur age, please do make sure u r very, very, very smart, very instinctive as well as physically fit. By smart, I do not mean a nerd, not a book worm, but something which is known as being "street smart". I suggest u get one of those books with puzzles, solve them for about 6-9 months and then apply for PAF. (Trust me, I am not kidding. It is not a place for Mr. Average Joe, but, dont let this discourage u. I have seen kids who were nothing more than "bart", but when they were screened by the PAF system, they turned out to be kick-ass maniancs).

I wish u all the best. I hope u could do what I dreamt of, but never accomplished.

[crazyinsane105]

i think you'll find most people say 4.

I don't have a clue....

Good people to ask are....

topgun101
Vikhasrehman
Munir (left)
Lulldapull (got kicked out, wouldn't leave)

Lulldapull was on this forum? Why did he get kicked out (this is the guy on sinodefence.com that I am arguing with!! I have quite a few stories about him if you ask). Also, why didn't he want to leave?

[mosaeqeh80]

Assalam-o-Alakum. Salam.

According to Bharat ratsh1t forum, no they won't they are being upgraded with a Zhuk-M radar......or something similar.

Why won't they upgrade their Air Force's MiG-29's with the radar that's on the MiG-29K's of the IN?

Are the Zhuk M radars better than the ones on the MiG-29K's of the IN?

Thank you.
Khuda Hafiz.

[platinum786]

Lulldapull was on this forum? Why did he get kicked out (this is the guy on sinodefence.com that I am arguing with!! I have quite a few stories about him if you ask). Also, why didn't he want to leave?

consstantly abusive langauge towards eveeryone.....all the time...nobody was spared....so he got the boot.

[awais786]

Firstly, do not have excessive hopes regarding the pay cheque that a PAF fighter pilot gets. Atleast that was the case when I left Pakistan, but when I left Pakistan, things were not so good. However, a recent hike in pays did happen. I cannot give u a definite number because the pay changes with ranks, and sometimes, with changing nature of duties.

But let me remind u, I do not know of a single person in the PAF who is there for money. They are either there for the fun of flying, or if not for flying, then to get themselves into the uniform which only the elite of the elite, creme-de la-creame of the Pakistani youth get to wear. Therefore, if ur eyes are locked at the money, PAF is not for u. If u want to know how it feels as if u r gonna explode into smitherins, then give PAF the best shot u have got.

As far as age is concerned, I think it is 14, but I am not sure. But whatever ur age, please do make sure u r very, very, very smart, very instinctive as well as physically fit. By smart, I do not mean a nerd, not a book worm, but something which is known as being "street smart". I suggest u get one of those books with puzzles, solve them for about 6-9 months and then apply for PAF. (Trust me, I am not kidding. It is not a place for Mr. Average Joe, but, dont let this discourage u. I have seen kids who were nothing more than "bart", but when they were screened by the PAF system, they turned out to be kick-ass maniancs).

I wish u all the best. I hope u could do what I dreamt of, but never accomplished.

first of all
THANK YOU for the info
2.helll no am i joining PAF for money, cause if  i wanted to do it for money, i would've gone to canadian air force[i live in canada ]
3.right now i am 14 and i am planning to join PAF when i am some where around 20 to 24,so will that be good?
3.can you describe the street- smart thing a bit more please?

thanks           

[awais786]

In total, PAF had 4 kills against the IDF/AF (Israeli Defence Force/Air Force), 3 in the 1967 conflict and 1 in 1974.

- On 5th June, 1967, Flight Leutenant (Flt. Lt.) Saiful Azam, flying a Royal Jordanian Air Force (RJAF) Hawker Hunter (from Mafrak Air Base, Jordan), shot down 1 IDF/AF Super Mystere B-2 over Mafrak in an engagement that involved 6 IDF/AF Super Mysteres and 4 RJAF Hawker Hunters.

- Two days later, on 7th June, 1967, Flt.Lt. Saiful Azam, flying an Iraqi Air Force Hawker Hunter (from an airbase in Iraq) shot down 1 IDF/AF Mirage IIICJ and 1 IDF/AF Vatour. The engagement involved 8 IDF/AF vs. 4 Iraqi Air Force aircrafts. (Do not remember which ones, but most likely, IDF/AF had a combination of Mirage IICJ and Vatours, while the Iraqi Air Force probably had all 4 Hunters in that engagement).

- On 26th April, 1974, Flt. Lt. Sattar Alvi. flying a Syrian Air Force MiG-21F (from Dumayr Air Base, Syria) shot down 1 IDF/AF Mirage IIICJ, from a K-13. The engagement involved 2 Syrian Air Force MiG-21F's vs. 2 IDF/AF Mirage IIICJs and 2 IDF/AF F-4 Phantoms.

The last one is the famous incident over Golan. Also, the Syrians had such confidence in the PAF detachment, that they not only allotted them an entire squadron of 8, but also posted PAF personnal for GC. Interestingly, the kill over Golan involved a PAF ground controller.

I hope this helps.

PAF destoryed about 10 isreali planes in 1967 war       
with out losing a single plane of thier own       

[PAF Shaheen]

first of all
THANK YOU for the info
2.helll no am i joining PAF for money, cause if i wanted to do it for money, i would've gone to canadian air force[i live in canada  ]
3.right now i am 14 and i am planning to join PAF when i am some where around 20 to 24,so will that be good?
3.can you describe the street- smart thing a bit more please?

thanks

U r most welcome.

If u want to join as a fighter pilot, then this is the age. They will not accept u as a fighter pilot, even as a pilot, at 24.

Street smart means being clever, knowing whats happening around u and being able to calculate ur next move as precisely as possible. U might think u cannot do this, but the PAF curriculum and system is designed to nurture u into it.

PAF destoryed about 10 isreali planes in 1967 war     
with out losing a single plane of thier own

Awais, I know what I am talking about, so please do not keep saying that PAF shot down 10 IDF/AF aircrafts. Yes, its true that we did not loose a single to them, but PAF did not shoot down 10 IDF/AF aircrafts. Period.