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[amaccpc]

1) Do we know if J-10 has been evaluated yet ? PAF were supposed to send pilots across to China to evaluate this aircraft. Any updates on this yet ?

pak already did

[Doctor Death]

That's good but what was the outcome? What were the first actual impressions of this plane ? Any news anywhere ?

[princefaisal]

1) Russian aircraft have short length tails (vertically) while F-16, EF2000, Rafale etc have a long length tails. Although JF-17 is based on F-16 design but it has same russian style tail. Why?


2)  JF-17 wings have almost the same size with that of F-16, then why JF-17 has 7 hardpoints with respect to F-16's 9 hardpoints?

3)  Mirages acquired from Australia's have bigger nose than French supplied Mirages. Does Aussies Mirages have radar range greater than latter ones?

[Saqr]

2) JF-17 wings have almost the same size with that of F-16, then why JF-17 has 7 hardpoints with respect to F-16's 9 hardpoints?

Initial F-16s of the 1970s up to the mid-1980s had 7 hardpoints, the initial JF-17 has 7 hardpoints, but over time, it should increase.

[Jimmy Jimmy]

Initial F-16s of the 1970s up to the mid-1980s had 7 hardpoints, the initial JF-17 has 7 hardpoints, but over time, it should increase.

I think its the Thrust of an Engine that Matters
More hardpoints can be added once the more Powerful Engine is installed

[vikasrehman]

More hardpoints can be added once the more Powerful Engine is installed

Not necessarily...although a more powerful engine is required to keep TWR up. To add more hardpoint, u may have to further restrengthen the structure, which would increase the empty weight though such an increase in weight can be compensated by use of composites and/or more powerful engine. As for JF-17, PAF's current plans for future upgrades of JF-17 include both the use of composites and a more powerful engine, and i would not be surprised to see a greater number of HPs at some point in (not too near) future.

[Flanker30MKI]

hey all... long time no see :)

1) Russian aircraft have short length tails (vertically) while F-16, EF2000, Rafale etc have a long length tails. Although JF-17 is based on F-16 design but it has same russian style tail. Why?

ok, i have no idea how true this is, but assuming it is.... i can offer one theory.

When a plane goes into high angle of attack mode (maneuvering, esp) the airflow to the tail generally gets blocked,  so the higher the vertical stabilizer, the more the control over the rudder.

Russian aircraft are know to generate a high amount of lift with the body, and not just wings - the MiG-29 can generate 40% lift with body alone. So maybe - and i stress the maybe - the airflow ot the tail is much improved under all conditions, neccessitating a shorter tail.

(bugger it... where's the Cat icon I used to use?! stilll... :cat )

[mosaeqeh80]

Assalam-o-Alakum. Salam.

I would like everyone to post their questions relating to Air Forces over here.

I have one question. Why do they say "Mayday! Mayday!" when the plane is going down? Did the first plane crash in the month of May or something?

My second questions is what is a Phased Array Radar. I used to know what it was but now I don't. Isn't it where the radar detects objects in the air through the movement in the air so meaning stealth is rendered useless?

Thanks.
Bamani Khuda.
Khuda Hafiz.

[Doctor Death]

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[viper007]

I have some questions for you guys
1. What kind of bomber does PAF have other than of f-16?
2. Whats up with the two engine aircraft, does it have more speed than the aircraft that has one engine?
3. Does any one know if Pakistan have any future plans for an aircraft other than JF17? [I heard Pakistan will go for JXX in the future, can anybody confirm this?]
4. India is making a join-venture aircraft know as PAK-FA, i heard it is pretty dangerous aircraft , but like in what features?

I appreciate your time.
Thank you!

More than the F-16s, the strike force of PAF depends on Mirage-III ROSE upgrade, which can use PGMs with better accuracy. And it is a well known fact that Mirages are excellent strike platforms unless called for single mission-multiple target passes, coz their weapon load configuration is not suited to that. But to strike an important target inside enemy territory, Mirage is perfect. PAF also has A-5 for Close Air Support of the army, and some tactical strikes.

Two engines does not mean greater speed, u have put engines according to aircraft design. Like F-15 carries 2 engines, but it also has a correspodingly larger weight as compared to an F-16 with single engine. It is thrust to weight ratio that matters, not total thrust.

As of PAF's future plans, i recon we should not speculate. Even JF-17 has not been recieved yet, let it be inducted first....then other fighters can be brought in. Same for IAF, let it first complete LCA, induct all the Flankers, upgrade the BISONs and Floggers, and the Jags...decide the 126 MMRCA thing...then a 5th gen is something to think about.

VIPER

[awais786]

can any body tell me what is pak-fa please?

[KJlost]

New Russian next-generation fighter project to match FA-22. It's still a paper project forging ahead with limited funding. India is said to have joined in on the project, but I think mostly for funding.

[awais786]

can any body tell me hpw many attack planes does US has in serivice in total

   thanks

[awais786]

i am sorry, what i meant to say was that HOW many attack planes does US has in serivice? And also can any body else tell me in DETIAL about  T-50 and pak-fa which country is going to have em india or pakistan please?

[amaccpc]

T-50

are you talking about the T50 of South Korea the trainer

[awais786]

no, the T-50 that is suposse to be stealth or something

[awais786]

you mean india is getting T-50 and pak-fa? are these planes are suppose to be good or losers ?

[awais786]

India!

can  any body tell me how many attack planes USAF  and  navy has in serivice?

[paki power]

you mean india is getting T-50 and pak-fa? are these planes are suppose to be good or losers ?

T-50 and PAK-FA is a one project man

[awais786]

my bad i new here people , any way are these planes suppose to be good or something?    

[paki power]

PAK-FA or T-50 is good as JSF but not comparable to F/A22 in the term of performence but XXJ is comparable to F/A22, surely 80% to 90% comparable to F/A22

[USAM]

And last time i heard they were saying that funds so far promissed for the PAK-FA could bearly only fund fifth gernation engine of the aircraft.

And guys JSF also had good amount of money spent on it which is I think is hard for PAF-FA to secure and considering the mastery Americans have over electronics and nearly all things.

[A10]

Ok guys, i read a lot on Air force material but never participate on PDF when it comes to Air Force issues, because i feel i still have a lot to learn.

However, although some might find my questions stupid(i hope not) i would like to know how ECMs work?  is it when frequency is more stronger than enemy radar frenquecny and hence jamming it?

also, how do RWR work?

thanks for any replys.

[A10]

Ok guys, i read a lot on Air force material but never participate on PDF when it comes to Air Force issues, because i feel i still have a lot to learn.

However, although some might find my questions stupid(i hope not) i would like to know how ECMs work?  is it when frequency is more stronger than enemy radar frenquecny and hence jamming it?

also, how do RWR work?

thanks for any replys.

No reply??    or no one knows?

[viper007]

No reply??    or no one knows?

RWR works by picking up incoming radar waves from a source. It is passive in nature, tells u direction of threat, its type, and its proximity, also nature of lock in some cases.

ECM works by overloading enemy radars - by bliding it with signals so it can neither process, nor make out the targets.

VIPER

[A10]

RWR works by picking up incoming radar waves from a source. It is passive in nature, tells u direction of threat, its type, and its proximity, also nature of lock in some cases.

ECM works by overloading enemy radars - by bliding it with signals so it can neither process, nor make out the targets.

VIPER

thanks viper....

[I LOVE PAF SO MUCH!]

How come Su-30MKI's HUD does not have a greenish glow?

[viper007]

How come Su-30MKI's HUD does not have a greenish glow?

Su-30 HUD is not different from others. All are same.

VIPER

[Yahya]

How come Su-30MKI's HUD does not have a greenish glow?

its just a peice of flipping glass

[Yahya]

depends on what they want innit. the add stuff to the hud to make it more reflective etc... the MKI ones probably the simple ones lol.

[awais786]

PAK-FA or T-50 is good as JSF but not comparable to F/A22 in the term of performence but XXJ is comparable to F/A22, surely 80% to 90% comparable to F/A22

isnt JSF better then  F-22?

[Saqr]

isnt JSF better then  F-22?

Nope.

F/A-22 is a Air Superiority fighter, which was meant to literally destroy all enemies in the skies.  Well, the past U.S requirement of 600+ is gone, and its been dropped to an odd 200, still decreasing.  In anycase, the USAF is already large and advanced enough to stampede through virtually anywhere, they only need relatively small number of F/A-22s to do their stuff.  

The JSF is mainly a backbone fighter, ofcourse, its doubtful that it'll replace the USAF and USN's thousands of F-16s, A-10s, F/A-18s, F-14s, Harriers, etc, but they'll have a lot more JSFs than they'll have F/A-22s.  Not like the U.S needs 600 F/A-22s and 4000 JSFs to keep its air superiority, it already has enough advanced stuff to do that now.

The F/A-22 is more advanced than F-35 (JSF), and a lot more expensive.

[awais786]

Nope.

F/A-22 is a Air Superiority fighter, which was meant to literally destroy all enemies in the skies.  Well, the past U.S requirement of 600+ is gone, and its been dropped to an odd 200, still decreasing.  In anycase, the USAF is already large and advanced enough to stampede through virtually anywhere, they only need relatively small number of F/A-22s to do their stuff. 

The JSF is mainly a backbone fighter, ofcourse, its doubtful that it'll replace the USAF and USN's thousands of F-16s, A-10s, F/A-18s, F-14s, Harriers, etc, but they'll have a lot more JSFs than they'll have F/A-22s.  Not like the U.S needs 600 F/A-22s and 4000 JSFs to keep its air superiority, it already has enough advanced stuff to do that now.

The F/A-22 is more advanced than F-35 (JSF), and a lot more expensive.

but doesnt JSF got VTOL or something