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[Oqaab]

Currently, Pakistan Navy is operating 8 frigates. Out of which 6 are Amazon Type-21 Frigates and 2 are Leander Class frigates. The Amazons are the most capable ships of Pakistan Navy's surface fleet and according to some of our members; these ships were upgraded some years back. These ships are armed with subsonic Harpoon missiles (Ranges from 95 to 280 km).

PN is also operating 3 Gearing class destroyers, inducted in the early 80s. These ships are also armed with Harpoon Anti-Ship missiles (Range = 130 km). These destroyers are supported by the Alloutte III choppers.

Missile boats fleet includes 4 Sabqat (Huangfeng) boats, 4 Jalalat FACs, 2 Shanghai II FACs, 1 Hoku Missile boat, 1 Town class patrol craft and 1 Larkana patrol craft. Some reports (in 2002) claimed that 2 Missile boats will be ready by december 2002. So, this makes a total of 15 Missile boats defending the coasts.

The future program is to induct 4 F-22P (upgraded Jaingwei II) frigates. These frigates will be armed with subsonic YJ-82 or C-802 anti-ship missiles which has a range of 120 kms. These F-22P warships will be the backbone of PNs surface fleet in future. Pakistan will also get the technology of its hull.

On the other hand, Indian Navy has 24 warships (acc to PIADS). They are also operating P-17 stealth ship and they will be getting 3 talwar stealth ships in near future. A total of 15 stealth warships will join Indian Navy. Their Frigates are armed with supersonic Klub anti-ship/submarine cruise missiles.

In order to make PNs surface fleet capable enough to counter bigger threats(like IN), the following steps should be taken.

1. Purchase of Supersonic missiles. YJ-83 (or C-803) supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles are a good option. These missiles may not have that speed and range as Klub and Brahmos has, but if Pakistan is purchasing weapons on a policy of minimum capable deterrence, then these missiles should be purchased.

2. Strengthen the Air arm. It is the only way to gain Superiority over enemy. PN ships will not be entering enemy's sea before the air attacks by its planes. The upgraded mirages will be joined by JF-17 after 2011 and these aircrafts will carry AM-39 Exocet anti-ship missiles (range = 50 km). Some of our destroyers are supported by Alloutte III choppers and should be replaced by Chinese Z-9C (or French Dauphin-II) choppers.

3. AWACS support for navy. Pakistan will be purchasing 7 Erieye AWACS Radars in near future. These AWACS will surely help a lot in identifying the ships so that PN could plan a defensive strategy to counter aggressors.

4. All the ships operational, well-maintained and battle-ready. All weapons made available. The PN dockyard should practice the process of rebuilding a ship as quickly as possible, in a wartime.

These were some of the objectives over which PN should concentrate, to counter the INs battleships. But this may not give a quicker end to the war.

[penguin]

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Uhm, you should get better info on IN ship listing, it is in correct. Also, PN no longer operates Gearings.

[Oqaab]

Source = PakDef.info

Yes, I heard from someone that the Gearings are decomissioned. Can U give a link please ?

[Rahul]

To TAKE INDIAN Navy on in high seas and force a stalement you need a minimum of

5 New Destroyers

5 New Stealth frigates

Your AGOSTA fleet is a thing of pride ( I notice) But like your F16s too few innumber.......

You need at least 6 more

Air cover will be useful with a dedicated wing ie 2 or 3 squadrons of JF17 with refulers like IL76.

Awacs like Eireye of course.

Lots of cruise missles( REMEMBER INDIANS ARE BUILDING BRAHMOS IN LARGE NOS)

SAM cover and phased array radar systems on all ships.

upto a dozen heavely armed corvettes from say Israel or France wud be nice coastal support too.


I think around $10 billion dollars over the next decade shud do it.

[penguin]

Source = PakDef.info

Yes, I heard from someone that the Gearings are decomissioned. Can U give a link please ? 

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Look like 3 Gearings decommissioned in 1996. THere originally were 6 Gearings delivered. So, either these are the first 3 to decommision. Or, they may be the last three.

From:http://babriet.tripod.com/articles/art_smallpunch.htm

Surface combatants

From 1989 to 1994 the PN operated four Brooke- and four US-leased Garcia-class, ... the frigates were withdrawn (and scrapped) at the end of the initial lease period. Three Alamgir-class (ex-US Gearing-class) destroyers remained in service for a further two years before decommissioning.

Main surface combatants include six Tariq-class (ex-UK Amazon-class) FFGs and two obsolete Shamsher-class (ex-UK Leander) frigates.

[deltared075]

Eat more vitamin "M" then the Navy will get strong!

[goodman]

They (PNS) needs atleast 5bn each year to challenge IN in the high seas and i don't think they r available

[goodman]

BTW IN is inducting it's third stealth frigate this month.INS TABAR

[penguin]

BTW IN is inducting it's third stealth frigate this month.INS TABAR

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The third russian built project 1135.6 Krivak derived frigate incorporating some low observable design aspects you mean? What is your point?

[Oqaab]

They (PNS) needs atleast 5bn each year to challenge IN in the high seas and i don't think they r available

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Stupid,

There is no funds problem. Pakistan's defence budget is enough to maintain balance in the region. We are giving more then 1 billion to navy every year. No country like Pakistan spends that much.

[deltared075]

Stupid,

There is no funds problem. Pakistan's defence budget is enough to maintain balance in the region. We are giving more then 1 billion to navy every year. No country like Pakistan spends that much.

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Please count other country defence budget "digits" for their navy alone!

That 1 billion not enough for a US nuclear powered aircraft carrier maintanance for half year only! not to mention one year maintanance cost!

[Oqaab]

Please count other country defence budget "digits" for their navy alone!

That 1 billion not enough for a US nuclear powered aircraft carrier maintanance for half year only! not to mention one year maintanance cost!

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And we are Pakistan, not the US.

We dont want to become a blue water navy. Just have a look at Algeria's budget. Its near 1.6 billion and their submarine and surface fleet is defensive.

[leuitenentcolonel]

WELL DEFINITELY Pakistan NAVY DO REQUIRES ADVANCE HARDWARE WITH THE INDUCTION OF 4 OR 6 F22P PN WOULD BE VERY GOOD BUT Pakistan SHOULD NEGOTIATE WITH UK TO UPGRADE IT EXISTING TYPE 21 TO DUKE STANDARD THAT WOULD MAKE THE FIGURES TO 8 OR 10 ADVANCED SHIPS.. Pakistan SHOULD ALSO NEGOTIATE TO CHINA OR TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY LIKE ITALY,FRANCE,GERMANY OR TO UK FOR INDUCTION OF ATLEAST 3 MORE FFGS AND 4 DDGS Pakistan IS HEAVLIY REQUIRING DDGS AND THIS STEP MUST BE TAKEN IF US SUPPLIES SOMETHING GOOD FOR NAVY WOULD BE WELL APLICABLE BUT BUYING EXPENSIVE DDGS AND FFGS IS COMPULSORY THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE AND Pakistan SHOULD MUST ARMED THEM C 808 AND WITH HARPOONS AND FOR PATROL OR MISSSILE BOATS Pakistan GO FORWARD WITH TURKKEY FOR INDUCTION OF STEALTH BOATS AND ALSO WITH UAE AND RUMOURS ABOUT SINGAPORE Pakistan COPERATION IN MB I WISH THIS SHOULD BE TRUE. AND IN SUBMARINES Pakistan SHOULD UPGRADE ITS EXISTING AUGUSTA 70 B AND MAKE ATLEAST 6 AUGUSTA I THINK ITS ALSO PROGRAMMED OFFICIALLY AND IT WOULD MAKE TO 10 OR SO SUBS AND BUY SOEM MORE TO OTHER COUNTRIES OR MAKE AN YUPGRADED VERSION OF 90 B IN COLLABORATION WITH FRANCE OR WITH CHINA.


GOV SHOULD GIVE NAVY SOME HANDY AIRCRAFTS AVAILABLE LIKE MIRAGE 5 AND TRY TO BUY SOME SUKHOI27 FROM UKRAINE AND UPGRADE THEM BUY CHINESE AND GIVE SOME JF17 WITH SOME NAVAL VARIANT MODIFICATIONS THATS IS ALL NAVY REQUIRED ITS ALMOST A 6 BILLION WORK BUT THIS SHOUILD BE DONE TO COUNTER INDIA COMFORTABLY

[penguin]

PN should seriously look into obtaining the command capable Type 22 Batch 3 frigates from the RN/UK when those become available (not to be confused with F22P from China). Together with 8 F22P this would make a nice surface fleet, which could deploy up to 4 groups of 3 frigates each. Add some 4-8 modern subs into the mix and landbased fighter cover and you have a fair deterrent.

[Saqr]

Frankly, Pakistan should concentrete on what it's doing now, buy four F-22Ps and get all three Agosta-90Bs, once the infanstructure's in place, add additional machines/ships.

[Oqaab]

WELL DEFINITELY Pakistan NAVY DO REQUIRES ADVANCE HARDWARE WITH THE INDUCTION OF 4 OR 6 F22P PN WOULD BE VERY GOOD BUT Pakistan SHOULD NEGOTIATE WITH UK TO UPGRADE IT EXISTING TYPE 21 TO DUKE STANDARD THAT WOULD MAKE THE FIGURES TO 8 OR 10 ADVANCED SHIPS.. Pakistan SHOULD ALSO NEGOTIATE TO CHINA OR TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY LIKE ITALY,FRANCE,GERMANY OR TO UK FOR INDUCTION OF ATLEAST 3 MORE FFGS AND 4 DDGS Pakistan IS HEAVLIY REQUIRING DDGS AND THIS STEP MUST BE TAKEN IF US SUPPLIES SOMETHING GOOD FOR NAVY WOULD BE WELL APLICABLE BUT BUYING EXPENSIVE DDGS AND FFGS IS COMPULSORY THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE AND Pakistan SHOULD MUST ARMED THEM C 808 AND WITH HARPOONS AND FOR PATROL OR MISSSILE BOATS Pakistan GO FORWARD WITH TURKKEY FOR INDUCTION OF STEALTH  BOATS AND ALSO WITH UAE AND RUMOURS ABOUT SINGAPORE Pakistan COPERATION IN MB I WISH THIS SHOULD BE TRUE. AND IN SUBMARINES Pakistan SHOULD UPGRADE ITS EXISTING AUGUSTA 70 B AND MAKE ATLEAST 6 AUGUSTA I THINK ITS ALSO PROGRAMMED OFFICIALLY AND IT WOULD MAKE TO 10 OR SO SUBS AND BUY SOEM MORE TO OTHER COUNTRIES OR MAKE AN YUPGRADED VERSION OF 90 B IN COLLABORATION WITH FRANCE OR WITH CHINA.

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Look, the whole situation is in front of U. PN isnt getting 6 or 8 F-22Ps. Only 4 will be purchased with ToT of hull.

This is my opinion,

In order to make PNs surface fleet capable enough to counter bigger threats(like IN), the following steps should be taken.

1. Purchase of Supersonic missiles. YJ-83 (or C-803) supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles are a good option. These missiles may not have that speed and range as Klub and Brahmos has, but if Pakistan is purchasing weapons on a policy of minimum capable deterrence, then these missiles should be purchased.

2. Strengthen the Air arm. It is the only way to gain Superiority over enemy. PN ships will not be entering enemy's sea before the air attacks by its planes. The upgraded mirages will be joined by JF-17 after 2011 and these aircrafts will carry AM-39 Exocet anti-ship missiles (range = 50 km). Some of our destroyers are supported by Alloutte III choppers and should be replaced by Chinese Z-9C (or French Dauphin-II) choppers.

3. AWACS support for navy. Pakistan will be purchasing 7 Erieye AWACS Radars in near future. These AWACS will surely help a lot in identifying the ships so that PN could plan a defensive strategy to counter aggressors.

4. All the ships operational, well-maintained and battle-ready. All weapons made available. The PN dockyard should practice the process of rebuilding a ship as quickly as possible, in a wartime.

What do U say now ?

[omarxizt]

Yeah agree,

Why do we need to tackle Indian Navy head to head we dont have a huge coastal area to defend. On the other hand Indian Navy is trying to play with the world powers so they have to spend lots of flow to keep the Navy in tack because that is there frontline defence.

Anyway I think Pakistan is on the right track and we will have a potent Navy in the future. Our top brass have not forgot about this and they are keen on providing more funds in the future.

[pakibath]

Yeah agree,

Why do we need to tackle Indian Navy head to head we dont have a huge coastal area to defend. On the other hand Indian Navy is trying to play with the world powers so they have to spend lots of flow to keep the Navy in tack because that is there frontline defence.

Anyway I think Pakistan is on the right track and we will have a potent Navy in the future. Our top brass have not forgot about this and they are keen on providing more funds in the future.

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Excuse me PN responsibility is not just coastal defence, but to keep the sea lanes safe and further deter India from any adventures. We need take Indian Navy head on. No matter what we need a decent navy not just a coast gaurd type navy.

[Oqaab]

Guys please stick to the topic.

We should not rely on Submarines. We dont want our surface fleet become the weak point of PN. And who knows when India got its first Scorpane submarine, and then, another IMBALANCE, in submarines as well as in warships.

[leuitenentcolonel]

WHAT EVER ITS IS Pakistan SERIOUSLY REQUIRES 4 MORE FFGS OTHER THAN F22 AND 4 DDGS ALL SHOULD BE ADVANCED CHINA,USA,FRANCE,UK AND GERMANY COULD PROVIDE US SUCH A THING PN HAS FUNDS BUT I THINK THEY ARE LOOKING MORE TO BIULD LOCAL INDUSTRY THE IDEA IS NOT BAD WHEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE HULL AND SUBS DEFINITELY V WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOME MODERN MODIFICATIONS ALSO Pakistan MAKE MAKE THE THINGS INVERSE ONCE V HAVE LOCAL FACILKITIES AND Pakistan IS ALREADY WORKING ON MISSILE BOATS SO MAY BE THEY WILL MAKE AN ADVANCED VERSION WITH THE HELP OF ANY COPERATIVE COUNTRY ANYWAYS 4 DDGS AND FFGS AND SOME 10 MODERN MB AND 4 MORE ADVANCE SUBS AND THE SENSIBLE THING WOULD BE OF UPGRADING AUGUSTA AND F22 AFTER COMPLETING THE INTIAL ORDER AND Pakistan SHOULD MUSH GO AHEAD WITH TURKEY,SINGAPORE AND UAE AND NEGOTIATE CHINA FOR MORE ADVANCED DDGS AND FOR FFGS Pakistan SHOULD NEGOTIATE WITH FRANCE,USA,GERMANY IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE BUT TO GET ANYTHING PN HAVE TO EXPAND MONEY AND NEGOTIATE FOR DUKE UPGRADE TO UK

[Willz]

the PN's acquisition of 4 F22P FFGs is a good starter.

later the PN may decide to acquire F16U FFGs (the export variant of the Type 054A FFG with VLS) to improve the navy.

plus some JH-7As would provide a strong punch in naval strike role.

[penguin]

F16U FFGs (the export variant of the Type 054A FFG with VLS)

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Uhm, 'beg pardon!?!?! The design model of the F16U is decidedly (years) older than that of the 054A. Besides, they are different vessels alltogether: the 054A is a substantially larger ships with a completely different SAM system.

[ZPak]

Gentlemen the surface ship is obsolete. Pakistan needs to invest in more effective defences for the seas. We've got the Agosta's with TOT and thats awesome. However we dont need more surface ships. Why? Surface ships are extremely vulnerable not only to aircraft but missles as well. Surface ships are like sitting ducks. I suggest Pakistan invest in some heavy duty anti ship cruise missile technology and some aircraft exclusively for the Navy to defend Pakistans coast lines. A couple of small fast attack boats from Turkey would be awesome. Im not saying get rid of surface ships altogether. But for cash strapped Pakistan every dollar invested needs to count.

We have to identify the threats. IN's aircraft carriers with their naval Mig 29s. Along with the Brahmos cruise missiles as well as the Scorpenes and Kilos. Surface ships like Frigates are almost useless against these threats. The only real use a surface ship has is that we can patrol the waters during peace times to keep pirates in check. However against a full fledge war against a country. The navy has to be fast and flexible.

Its like the Persians vs. Greeks or the Brits vs. the Spanish Armada. Size and numbers dont count on the seas. Quickness, and maneuvarability as well as fire power.

[Siddiqi]

Gentlemen the surface ship is obsolete. Pakistan needs to invest in more effective defences for the seas. We've got the Agosta's  with TOT and thats awesome. However we dont need more surface ships. Why? Surface ships are extremely vulnerable not only to aircraft but missles as well. Surface ships are like sitting ducks. I suggest Pakistan invest in some heavy duty anti ship cruise missile technology and some aircraft exclusively for the Navy to defend Pakistans coast lines. A couple of small fast attack boats from Turkey would be awesome.  Im not saying get rid of surface ships altogether. But for cash strapped Pakistan every dollar invested needs to count.

We have to identify the threats. IN's aircraft carriers with their naval Mig 29s. Along with the Brahmos cruise missiles as well as the Scorpenes and Kilos.  Surface ships like Frigates are almost useless against these threats. The only real use a surface ship has is that we can patrol the waters during peace times to keep pirates in check. However against a full fledge war against a country. The navy has to be fast and flexible.

Its like the Persians vs. Greeks or the Brits vs. the Spanish Armada. Size and numbers dont count on the seas. Quickness, and maneuvarability as well as fire power.

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I agree with u mostly. We need to invest in aircover first and foremost especially now that the Erieye deal has been confirmed. PN needs its own airwing manned by PN pilots not PAF pilots. After this we need to invest in a good missile like the C803 and try to get TOT for it, this would be a good counter for the Brahmos. After this we need to develop a missile by ourselves.

Where I disagree with u Bhai is that surface ships in my opinion r not entirely obsolete a surface combatant armed with some good missiles is always useful for bombardement or ASW, believe me it is quite a bad headache for military planners when u have surface combatants to deal with. However for the surface combatants to do there job effectively they need an umbrella off good aircover. :PakistanFlag:

[Oqaab]

Gentlemen the surface ship is obsolete. Pakistan needs to invest in more effective defences for the seas. We've got the Agosta's  with TOT and thats awesome. However we dont need more surface ships. Why? Surface ships are extremely vulnerable not only to aircraft but missles as well. Surface ships are like sitting ducks. I suggest Pakistan invest in some heavy duty anti ship cruise missile technology and some aircraft exclusively for the Navy to defend Pakistans coast lines. A couple of small fast attack boats from Turkey would be awesome.  Im not saying get rid of surface ships altogether. But for cash strapped Pakistan every dollar invested needs to count.

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Mr. ZPak,

Dont you know that without a strong surface fleet, we cant have a strong submarine fleet. Grow up dude. If surface ships are like sitting ducks, then why the hell everybody is running towards making (or grabing) stealth ships ??

Ur comment was really funny. Think before U post.

US and Russia have hundreds of warships serving in their navy. And I m sure they are not stupid enough to think that surface ships are like sitting ducks and they should rely on submarines.

[penguin]

Gentlemen the surface ship is obsolete.

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Do you have any idea what % of the earth's surface is covered by sea?

[Saqr]

Seriously, I sure hope the Government can come up with atleast 6bn US Dollars for the Pakistan Navy. I think we first need to strengthen our conventional surface fleet, i.e the frigates, the Amazon Frigates are coming to their life end soon, and we need those F-22Ps, I hope we inked the deal!

In my opinion, the Pakistan Navy should order a total of four (4) Type-053H3 Guided Missile Frigates, I'm pretty sure they're cheap, we should use around two of them for Air Defence, and the other two for Anti-Submarine. This shouldn't cost more than 1bn US Dollars.

Then we need to concentrate on making a good offensive force, when we come up with more funds like 2010 and beyond, we should get like four (4) Type-054 Guided Missile Stealth Frigates, for our offensive line, we need them all for Multirole duties, that means Anti-Ship and Anti-Land, all of them. This shouldn't cost us more than 1.5bn US Dollars, I hope.

Next, we need some heavy capability, to inflict heavy damage to the Indian Navy's Aircraft Carriers, Battlegroups, and even Land Targets near the coast. We should get some more funds, at around 2015 and beyond, so we could buy like 2 Type-052B Stealth Destroyers, they can be armed with loads of Anti-Ship and Land Attack Cruise Missiles. This shouldn't cost more than 1.5bn US Dollars, I hope.

Finally, we need to give our coast some better protection, well we have to buy like 6 Jalalat Class Missile Boats, and possibly something like 4 Larkana Class Patrol Boats, I'd also suggest 2 Type-053H3s for Patrol. This shouldn't cost more than 1.5bn US Dollars.

So, by 2020 the Pakistan Navy's surface fleet should look like this in my opinion;

• 2 Type-052B Guided Missile Stealth Destroyers
• 4 Type-054 Guided Missile Stealth Frigates
• 6 Type-053H3 Guided Missile Air Defence, Patrol and Anti Submarine Frigates
• 6 Jalalat Class Missile Boats
• 4 Larkana Class Patrol Boats
• 4 Mine Hunters
• 2 Mine Layers
• 2 Auxiliary Tankers

The cost of all of this should be around 6bn US Dollars! That's A LOT!!!

[Desert Eagle2]

Although naturally important, especially for maintaining authority over our shipping lanes, surface fleets are expensive and vulnerable. I personally believe that Pakistan needs to continue investing in an advanced submarine fleet in the same way the Israeli's have in the Mediterranean. It'll give the PN a strong punch against the far larger and more capable IN.

Quite honestly, we can't counter the IN on a one-to-one basis. In the Indian Ocean basis, the IN is second to only the US Navy presence. I don't even think the Chinese can compete with the IN.

[Saqr]

To be honest, I don't think my wishlist is in any way feasible, infact, I wanted the Pakistan Navy to only induct 6 La Fayette Guided Missile Frigates in the future along with 6 Agosta-90B Submarines, frankly, for defence that is MORE than enough!

[ISI2003]

we need to study how israel's navy fleet can hold its self agaisnt large arab navies
(except in our case india's ships are more advanced and in one command)

i say air cover thru advanced technologies, and more subs and fighters for the navy operations

[Saqr]

The thing is, Israel has a hell of an Air Force, probably thats why it's Navy was able to pull off the arabs.

[Oqaab]

The points mentioned in the first post should be concentrated first. This may not cost a lot. Supersonic anti-ship missiles is what PN needs. If we purchased the C-803 missiles for our F-22Ps then the anti-ship capabilty of the ship will be better then La Fayette.

And If Pakistan is in a position to purchse more ships, then Destroyers should be bought. I doubt Gearings are still serving; new destroyers will help a lot in combating enemy.

[FASAL XJ]

The pak navys surface fleet will be broken in half in any conflict with india, Why? india has supersonic Brahmos cruise missile which has a range of 280km and a speed of mach 2.8, pakistans surface fleet will be target practice for the indian navy all they'll need to do is lauch there cruise missiles from india a hit karachi harbour, Pakistans navy is dead meat in any conflict with india Pakistan has nothing which can match the Brahmos the exocets and harpoons are subsoic the indian navy can engage and shoot them down with ease.
Pakistan needs to get hold of the south african Muspow or french SCALP-KG / apache

[Saqr]

FASALXJ has some good points.

The Pakistan Navy needs Supersonic Cruise Missiles capable of hitting both land and sea targets. We also need bigger carrier capability, so we could bombard dozens of cruise missiles on the enemy.

[ISI2003]

french SCALP-KG / apache

if we get the rafale we can get this missile, as part of the deal

[FASAL XJ]

We also need bigger carrier capability, so we could bombard dozens of cruise missiles on the enemy.

i dont agree on the term carrier do u mean aircraft carrier, if so than its a waste of money / and u'd need complete air superiority which is highly unlikely in Pakistans case/ u dont need an aircraft carrier to lauch cruise missiles u can just use frigates for anti shipping and submarines. If Pakistan cant get hold of cruise missiles than they should invest in anti-cruise missile technology. There was talk about this in 1998 when america dropped a few of her cruise missiles into Pakistan.

if we get the rafale we can get this missile, as part of the deal

PAF can get the French cruise missiles if they buy the mirage 2000-5/9s but thats never gonna happen the price on the mirage 2000-5 and Rafale is beyond the PAF / Pak navy. My option would be a squdron of chinese JH-7As (these aircraft may be equipped with a chinese cruise missile). there ground attack fighters and are supposed to be rather lethal, altough the aircraft has not entered full scale production yet the PAK navy and PAF will have to wait a while.

[Hellscream]

the brahmos still has some time to come though within the year the first to be retrofitted with this missile will be the Kashin-IIs the IN have 5 of these.
but note that these are not the only supersonic Ashms in the IN arsenal we already have the Klub-S that accelerates to almost Mach-3 in terminal phase of flight these are fitted on to the kilo class (2 already the rest to follow) and on the Krivak-III class .
supersonic Ahms have a higher probability than subsonic one to get past a warships AD bubble.

the best bet for the PN would be to get some Ashm that has a longer standoff range than those exocets as those Mirages will never get close enough (70-80km range agavae restrictions) to an IN surface combat group to fire off enough to make a dent, they will be taken out .
a subsonic Ashm gives a warship an approx response time of around 100-150 seconds
whereas a supersonic Ashm gives the ship only around 25 seconds giving less time to get a soft kill and employ any hard kill tactics.

so the PN has to get some aircraft from the chinese or more mirages .
the strike group should comprise of no less than 20 or so of these attack fighters.
they will carry a load of an exocet each and fuel tanks to increase range and some of their jammer to create "noise" .
so out to around 100Kms they launch around 25-30 exocets or C-802s that is if they have some escorts to ward of the Harriers or later the Mig-29Ks.
so atleast 20 or so subsonic Ashms are launched atleast a couple will get through
to create some damage.
supersonic C-803 are even better but i doubt the Harriers will let them get past the theoretical weapons release line of around 80 kms.
anyways we could go on and on but the a massive salvo of airlaunched missiles is the way to go .the Pn surface feelt is is no condition as of now they will be hit at longer ranges.

[Saqr]

dont agree on the term carrier do u mean aircraft carrier, if so than its a waste of money

Carrier as in Destroyers carrying Cruise Missiles is what I meant.

[leuitenentcolonel]

FIRST OF ALL Pakistan DOESNT NEED A CARRIER IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE PLANES A CARRIER WITH MIRAGE5 AND F7 STUFF IS A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY Pakistan REQUIRES SOE 5 MODERN DESTROYERS AND ATLEAST 12 ADVANCED FFGS AND SOME ADV MB AND SUBS Pakistan CAN UPGRADE ITS EXISTING 70 B AUGUSTA AND AS ATHE TIME WILL PASS Pakistan SURELY MAKE SOME NEW AUGUSTA 90 B AND THEY CAN ALSO UPGRADE THEM I MEAN THE NEWER ONE AFTER 4/5 PROGRAMMED WITH CHINESE OR FRENCH ASSISTANCE AND V HAVE CHINESE VARIANTS OPTIONS FOR ANTI SUB AND ANTI SHIP HELIS AND Pakistan CAN ACQUIRE WARSHIPS FROM CHINA,FRANCE,UK AND MAYBE USA AND Pakistan SHOULD UPGRADE THEIR EXISTING TYPE 21 TO DUKE STANDARD FROM UK WELL LETS SEE WAT HAPPENS

[penguin]

I think the most cost-effective is to make friends with the Indians and scrap the lot.