To be perefectly honest with you,
if this can happen in one prison why can't it be happening to others.
I'd hate to think what else is happening as we speak.
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Posted 09 May 2004 - 06:53 AM
GTO, on May 9 2004, 06:02 AM, said:
To be perefectly honest with you,
if this can happen in one prison why can't it be happening to others.
I'd hate to think what else is happening as we speak.
if this can happen in one prison why can't it be happening to others.
I'd hate to think what else is happening as we speak.
when the british prisoners were released... they mentioned the same kind of things happening there...... i wonder anyone would bother looking at that .... most of the pro american bashers were like..... . oh these prisoner are liar and BS.... as far as i remember... no one cared to take that seriously including me ....
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shadowofbeautiful, on May 9 2004, 12:53 PM, said:
No one knows whats going on in Guantanmo ....
when the british prisoners were released... they mentioned the same kind of things happening there...... i wonder anyone would bother looking at that .... most of the pro american bashers were like..... . oh these prisoner are liar and BS.... as far as i remember... no one cared to take that seriously including me ....
when the british prisoners were released... they mentioned the same kind of things happening there...... i wonder anyone would bother looking at that .... most of the pro american bashers were like..... . oh these prisoner are liar and BS.... as far as i remember... no one cared to take that seriously including me ....
talking about the goings on in guantanamo bay.
I remember the papers made him sound like a liar and the general consensus was that the US would never do a thing like that.
Well thanks to those pictures, we get a good idea of what the US is capable of.
I'm not suprised at all.
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GTO, on May 9 2004, 07:50 AM, said:
i saw an interview on tv, where they had one of the ex inmates of guantanamo bay
talking about the goings on in guantanamo bay.
I remember the papers made him sound like a liar and the general consensus was that the US would never do a thing like that.
Well thanks to those pictures, we get a good idea of what the US is capable of.
I'm not suprised at all.
talking about the goings on in guantanamo bay.
I remember the papers made him sound like a liar and the general consensus was that the US would never do a thing like that.
Well thanks to those pictures, we get a good idea of what the US is capable of.
I'm not suprised at all.
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GTO, on May 9 2004, 12:02 PM, said:
To be perefectly honest with you,
if this can happen in one prison why can't it be happening to others.
I'd hate to think what else is happening as we speak.
if this can happen in one prison why can't it be happening to others.
I'd hate to think what else is happening as we speak.
According to Amnesty International these abuses started last year just after the invasion as the US started taking prisoners. War zones are rapidly changing environments and soldiers can get away with doing any #### as its easily covered up or forgotten in the bigger scheme of things. What the world has seen is a very small minority caught, but many others have got away.
And Gitmo bay was already highlighted by one of the released prisoners. Guards were kicking the Quran and harassing and beating the more religiously inclined inmates.
“They intend to put out the Light of Allâh with their mouths, But Allâh will bring His Light to perfection, even though the disbelievers hate it.” (61:8)
And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers. Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.. ' (2:11-12)
And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers. Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.. ' (2:11-12)
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Posted 09 May 2004 - 09:18 AM
Let me dissect what this American Marine just said.
Oh really ! How do you know ?? As far as information that is floating around most of the abused prisoners had exhausted their usefulness. There was no more information (strategic or otherwise) to be gained from them. From whom such information was to be gained were dealth with by professionals.
What b/s. Those who ##### with your prisoners would not go around giving themselves up. The majority of these soldiers gave themself up during the very first phase of the war.
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That's probably what ur redeneck govt tells you to put you to sleep with a unblemished concscience. This killing of innocents because they look funny happens mostly in america rather than any other part of the world. Because it is a place with least tolerance.
No one condemned you when you attacked the perpetrators of 9/11 in afghanistan. Even there the americans committed human rights violations galore. But no one complained in this scale. Did it ever strike you why ????
yes, you can show others the way. And you can bet your bottom dollar that others will do unto you what you do unto others. It's for you and your country to decide what course of action to adopt.
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Dumbass. These are not innocent 'Iraqis'. These are former militia, etc for Saddam.
Oh really ! How do you know ?? As far as information that is floating around most of the abused prisoners had exhausted their usefulness. There was no more information (strategic or otherwise) to be gained from them. From whom such information was to be gained were dealth with by professionals.
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These are the types of people that ##### with our prisoners
What b/s. Those who ##### with your prisoners would not go around giving themselves up. The majority of these soldiers gave themself up during the very first phase of the war.
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These are the kind of people that would kill innocents because they looked funny.
That's probably what ur redeneck govt tells you to put you to sleep with a unblemished concscience. This killing of innocents because they look funny happens mostly in america rather than any other part of the world. Because it is a place with least tolerance.
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It's nice to know what kind of actions you condone. As long as the Americans get in trouble, right?
No one condemned you when you attacked the perpetrators of 9/11 in afghanistan. Even there the americans committed human rights violations galore. But no one complained in this scale. Did it ever strike you why ????
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They get what's coming to them. I don't even know why we keep them alive. They need to be ##### shot. Or slowly beat to death. Yes, that's better.
yes, you can show others the way. And you can bet your bottom dollar that others will do unto you what you do unto others. It's for you and your country to decide what course of action to adopt.
If you gonna serve up sh!t. Then it is sooner than later gonna land up in your face as well.
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Kabul Hitman, on May 9 2004, 02:48 PM, said:
Its going on all over Iraq.
According to Amnesty International these abuses started last year just after the invasion as the US started taking prisoners. War zones are rapidly changing environments and soldiers can get away with doing any #### as its easily covered up or forgotten in the bigger scheme of things. What the world has seen is a very small minority caught, but many others have got away.
And Gitmo bay was already highlighted by one of the released prisoners. Guards were kicking the Quran and harassing and beating the more religiously inclined inmates.
According to Amnesty International these abuses started last year just after the invasion as the US started taking prisoners. War zones are rapidly changing environments and soldiers can get away with doing any #### as its easily covered up or forgotten in the bigger scheme of things. What the world has seen is a very small minority caught, but many others have got away.
And Gitmo bay was already highlighted by one of the released prisoners. Guards were kicking the Quran and harassing and beating the more religiously inclined inmates.
but when amnesty international mentions something on the scale you mentioned, it gets played down.
damn, they get away with it every time.
If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing.
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Why does mineral water that 'has trickled through mountains for centuries' have a 'use by' date?
answer:its because the bottle makers insurance company forces them to give a date as each bottle is only covered for a certain period by the insurers. so u can drink after the date but for watever reason u wont b able 2 sue them
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“They intend to put out the Light of Allâh with their mouths, But Allâh will bring His Light to perfection, even though the disbelievers hate it.” (61:8)
And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers. Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.. ' (2:11-12)
And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers. Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.. ' (2:11-12)
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Kabul Hitman, on May 9 2004, 04:33 PM, said:
Kabul my only reply right now to the story you just posted a link to is your signature:“They intend to put out the Light of Allâh with their mouths, But Allâh will bring His Light to perfection, even though the disbelievers hate it.” (61:8)
And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers. Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.. ' (2:11-12)
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well my dear halfty tho i never wanted to reply to ur mail
unfortunatly the very Pakistani army and the very Pakistan you are talking about is an idealogical state
based on Islam. THE ARMY that you are talking about.... do you know wats its moto? to give u a hint one of the three is Islam.........
so we are bonded with iraqis like a body for we are not secular but Muslims and belong to the ummah......... now i don want ur secular crap of wat iranis do to pak or wat Saddam did to that coz our criteria is islam and thats how we judge..........
Prophet of Allah sed Muslims are like one body when one part get hurt the whole body feels.
now you either accept Pakistan as we r, or leave this board coz i don think if u r missing on such basic thing on Pakistan u can comment on its stretegic discussion
IGNORANT!! is wat u r!!!
unfortunatly the very Pakistani army and the very Pakistan you are talking about is an idealogical state
based on Islam. THE ARMY that you are talking about.... do you know wats its moto? to give u a hint one of the three is Islam.........
so we are bonded with iraqis like a body for we are not secular but Muslims and belong to the ummah......... now i don want ur secular crap of wat iranis do to pak or wat Saddam did to that coz our criteria is islam and thats how we judge..........
Prophet of Allah sed Muslims are like one body when one part get hurt the whole body feels.
now you either accept Pakistan as we r, or leave this board coz i don think if u r missing on such basic thing on Pakistan u can comment on its stretegic discussion
IGNORANT!! is wat u r!!!
The day you morons understand that none of the other damn muslim countries give a rats ass about us is the day youll understand that what you just stated fundi(your not a Pakistani pal) was nothing more then an opinion formed during the zia era, using religion to cloak totalitarionism........yeaaaaaaa we're the guards of islam......we will defend every muslim nation even if we're down on our knees performing fillatio on another damn country!! :hitwall :hitwall :hitwall
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tsk tsk tsk,
oh so, we're not supposed to care about iraqi muslims?
if they believe in Allah and our beloved prophet (pbuh) and are muslim in actions, then they are my brothers and sisters. ( I can't judge their intentions as only Allah (swt) can see and read our hearts)
It's the divisions of the muslims into small entities courtesy of the kuffar that leaves muslims owing allegiance to a country and not to Allah. Under the allegiance of a country, enough muslim blood has been spilled.
Iran iraq war etc.
However if you hold your allegiance to Allah (swt) then there should be no problem in accepting any muslim around the world as your brother.
it's that simple.
oh so, we're not supposed to care about iraqi muslims?
if they believe in Allah and our beloved prophet (pbuh) and are muslim in actions, then they are my brothers and sisters. ( I can't judge their intentions as only Allah (swt) can see and read our hearts)
It's the divisions of the muslims into small entities courtesy of the kuffar that leaves muslims owing allegiance to a country and not to Allah. Under the allegiance of a country, enough muslim blood has been spilled.
Iran iraq war etc.
However if you hold your allegiance to Allah (swt) then there should be no problem in accepting any muslim around the world as your brother.
it's that simple.
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WHAT HAS THIS THREAD GOT TO DO WITH "MILITARY IMAGES" .... ????
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Typical response from a person who was heavily influenced by the change of our society during the zia era.
The day you morons understand that none of the other damn muslim countries give a rats ass about us is the day youll understand that what you just stated fundi(your not a Pakistani pal) was nothing more then an opinion formed during the zia era, using religion to cloak totalitarionism........yeaaaaaaa we're the guards of islam......we will defend every muslim nation even if we're down on our knees performing fillatio on another damn country!! :hitwall :hitwall :hitwall
The day you morons understand that none of the other damn muslim countries give a rats ass about us is the day youll understand that what you just stated fundi(your not a Pakistani pal) was nothing more then an opinion formed during the zia era, using religion to cloak totalitarionism........yeaaaaaaa we're the guards of islam......we will defend every muslim nation even if we're down on our knees performing fillatio on another damn country!! :hitwall :hitwall :hitwall
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At this point of voltality, I would just like the fundelmentalist talk to themselves like they do everyday in the mirror, of course I condem these treatment with extreme prejudice, but when you blame an entire organization on a minorty of the misguided, then I won't take you seriously because you should have some common sense that that is not how all americans are.
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Looking at some of the pictures and reading some of the reports, i would hate to be captured alive by these fags. If i was a general or commander, i would advise my men to die on the feilds or die, taking down a dozen yanks, because when they get hold of you.....YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW.
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At this point of voltality, I would just like the fundelmentalist talk to themselves like they do everyday in the mirror, of course I condem these treatment with extreme prejudice, but when you blame an entire organization on a minorty of the misguided, then I won't take you seriously because you should have some common sense that that is not how all americans are.
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Not all Americans are sex hungry bastards. Nor do all Americans like to beat prisoners. But, we all sure as hell get the blame, don't we? Life's a #####. Deal.
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Not all Americans are sex hungry bastards. Nor do all Americans like to beat prisoners. But, we all sure as hell get the blame, don't we? Life's a #####. Deal.
if u people r soo sure tht u r not " sex hungry basterds" then y dont majority of u people stand and speak tht wat was done was wrong and we appologize and blah blah blah.....U people do have the freedom of speach dont u???
try to know how it fees when all the blame on one individual or community....this is wat India does always and blames Pakistan.....and Pakistan gets all the blame...
tell ya wat......when India...after LIBERATION
....of afganistan....wanted to buildup an embassy in there....she siad it in clear words and in advance..."IF OUR EMBASSY IS ATTACKED BY ANYONE AT ALL.......IT WILL BE Pakistan"now wat will ya say to tht kiddish statement...???
this newz was soo anoying and soo kiddish tht the newz channels never showed it again...
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Typical response from a person who was heavily influenced by the change of our society during the zia era.
The day you morons understand that none of the other damn muslim countries give a rats ass about us is the day youll understand that what you just stated fundi(your not a Pakistani pal) was nothing more then an opinion formed during the zia era, using religion to cloak totalitarionism........yeaaaaaaa we're the guards of islam......we will defend every muslim nation even if we're down on our knees performing fillatio on another damn country!! :hitwall :hitwall :hitwall
The day you morons understand that none of the other damn muslim countries give a rats ass about us is the day youll understand that what you just stated fundi(your not a Pakistani pal) was nothing more then an opinion formed during the zia era, using religion to cloak totalitarionism........yeaaaaaaa we're the guards of islam......we will defend every muslim nation even if we're down on our knees performing fillatio on another damn country!! :hitwall :hitwall :hitwall
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if u people r soo sure tht u r not " sex hungry basterds" then y dont majority of u people stand and speak tht wat was done was wrong and we appologize and blah blah blah.....U people do have the freedom of speach dont u???
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Don't get me wrong, abuse and torture should be exposed and condemned wherever and whenever they occur. Still, the question must be asked: did we see these kinds op threads and post when Saddam Hussein was still in power and torture was a systemic, daily, continuous occurance for many years and, if not, why not?
Saddam's behind got rightfully kicked, and he's being held accountable for his atrocities.. AND SO MUST WE SOLELY CONCENTRATE on these B****** and hold them accountable!!!
WHY ARE YOU POINTING YOUR FINGERS AT SADDAM WHEN HE'S LOCKED UP AND SERVING HIS LIFE FOR HIS CRIMES... i don't understand why people try milding the situation down by trying to present how Iraqis are now -nevertheless- "better off" ... God!
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Fundamentalist ####, on May 10 2004, 07:48 PM, said:
people with defeating mentality like you are the problems not the Muslims or Islam or Ummah.
a few naked arabs is a big issue for you .... but BUTCHERIMG Pakistani Muslim Shias is NOT worth even a comment ....
you are a sorry example of a human being ....
you don't even know where yuor roots belong ....
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Unbeliever is he who follows predestination even if he be Muslim, Faithful is he, if he himself is the Divine Destiny.
Psychologically speaking, all states, whether their content is religious or non-religious, are organically determined.
Thou art not for the earth, nor for the Heaven the world is for thee, thou art not for the world.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 03:01 PM
Memphis, on May 10 2004, 10:45 PM, said:
I understand that you're trying to be reasonable about it, however, we cannot justify this incalculable absurdity in accordance with the 'benefit outweighs the cost' theory! STOP LIVING IN THE PAST FOR GOD'S SAKE!
Saddam's behind got rightfully kicked, and he's being held accountable for his atrocities.. AND SO MUST WE SOLELY CONCENTRATE on these B****** and hold them accountable!!!
WHY ARE YOU POINTING YOUR FINGERS AT SADDAM WHEN HE'S LOCKED UP AND SERVING HIS LIFE FOR HIS CRIMES... i don't understand why people try milding the situation down by trying to present how Iraqis are now -nevertheless- "better off" ... God!
Excuse my lang.
Saddam's behind got rightfully kicked, and he's being held accountable for his atrocities.. AND SO MUST WE SOLELY CONCENTRATE on these B****** and hold them accountable!!!
WHY ARE YOU POINTING YOUR FINGERS AT SADDAM WHEN HE'S LOCKED UP AND SERVING HIS LIFE FOR HIS CRIMES... i don't understand why people try milding the situation down by trying to present how Iraqis are now -nevertheless- "better off" ... God!
Excuse my lang.
I guess he was just trying to point out the DOUBLE STANDARDS ...
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People who have no hold over their process of thinking are likely to be ruined by liberty of thought. If thought is immature, liberty of thought becomes a method of converting men into animals.
It is time that I reopen the tavern of Rumi: the shaikhs of the Kaaba are lying drunk in the courtyard of the church.
Unbeliever is he who follows predestination even if he be Muslim, Faithful is he, if he himself is the Divine Destiny.
Psychologically speaking, all states, whether their content is religious or non-religious, are organically determined.
Thou art not for the earth, nor for the Heaven the world is for thee, thou art not for the world.
ALL ABOVE QUOTES FROM SIR ALLAMA IQBAL
Dunning-Kruger Effect - recommended reading for some members and all Indians in general http://en.wikipedia....€“Kruger_effect
People who have no hold over their process of thinking are likely to be ruined by liberty of thought. If thought is immature, liberty of thought becomes a method of converting men into animals.
It is time that I reopen the tavern of Rumi: the shaikhs of the Kaaba are lying drunk in the courtyard of the church.
Unbeliever is he who follows predestination even if he be Muslim, Faithful is he, if he himself is the Divine Destiny.
Psychologically speaking, all states, whether their content is religious or non-religious, are organically determined.
Thou art not for the earth, nor for the Heaven the world is for thee, thou art not for the world.
ALL ABOVE QUOTES FROM SIR ALLAMA IQBAL
Dunning-Kruger Effect - recommended reading for some members and all Indians in general http://en.wikipedia....€“Kruger_effect
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 05:08 PM
There is no double-standard here... not unless we're talking about the double-standards the US is holding.
Comparing this with how they would have been off under Saddam's regime is absurd, and even if they'd been screwed either way: Must the US act no different and the same Pathetic way Saddam's Soldiers would have!? Where's the difference? What was this "war" and "liberation" for?
I just saw pictures from the US attack (bombing) of the Al-Sadar Head-office in Iraq... saw burned Qur'an-e-Paks... wtf.
Comparing this with how they would have been off under Saddam's regime is absurd, and even if they'd been screwed either way: Must the US act no different and the same Pathetic way Saddam's Soldiers would have!? Where's the difference? What was this "war" and "liberation" for?
I just saw pictures from the US attack (bombing) of the Al-Sadar Head-office in Iraq... saw burned Qur'an-e-Paks... wtf.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 05:27 PM
Visioninthedark, now you are being unreasonable by bringing in karachi shia killing in this thread..u got urself many lengthy threads on that issue on other places. Arent we allowed to discuss other topics than that? Another thing why do you use caps so often? Are u a screamer? Do u think we are blind and def?
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 06:58 PM
visioninthedark, on May 10 2004, 08:59 PM, said:
and people like you come here and make a big hullabalooo about a few naked iraqis while you do NOT have the decency or the moral courage to condemn the killings of innocent namazis during namaz-e-Juma by a suicide bomber in Karachi ....
a few naked arabs is a big issue for you .... but BUTCHERIMG Pakistani Muslim Shias is NOT worth even a comment ....
you are a sorry example of a human being ....
you don't even know where yuor roots belong ....
a few naked arabs is a big issue for you .... but BUTCHERIMG Pakistani Muslim Shias is NOT worth even a comment ....
you are a sorry example of a human being ....
you don't even know where yuor roots belong ....
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a few naked arabs is a big issue for you .... but BUTCHERIMG Pakistani Muslim Shias is NOT worth even a comment ....
i've explained to you before,
muslims are muslims, wether they're in mongolia or in timbuktu, they're still our brothers or our sisters.
the "arabs" are our muslim brothers just as equally the shia's of karachi are our muslim brothers.
By whipping a frenzy if fundamentalistpaki hasn't commented on shia killing is very hypocritical of you vision,
why?
because on one hand you're dismissing our muslim brothers who are being tortured in iraq as "arabs" who deserve the punishment and you'r hardly condemning it,
while on the other hand you're flipping because people aren't condemning the attacks in karachi on shia's
In other words you're getting a taste of your own medicine, \
therefore the attittude you give out, should be the same attitude you can take in from others.
adieu.
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Why do you press harder on a remote control when you know the battery is dead?
Why does mineral water that 'has trickled through mountains for centuries' have a 'use by' date?
answer:its because the bottle makers insurance company forces them to give a date as each bottle is only covered for a certain period by the insurers. so u can drink after the date but for watever reason u wont b able 2 sue them
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Why do you press harder on a remote control when you know the battery is dead?
Why does mineral water that 'has trickled through mountains for centuries' have a 'use by' date?
answer:its because the bottle makers insurance company forces them to give a date as each bottle is only covered for a certain period by the insurers. so u can drink after the date but for watever reason u wont b able 2 sue them
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 07:20 PM
Question for all the people on this forum. Since you guys are condeming USA for the bad treatment of Iraqi prisoners, you should also condemn all the Arab countries for the human rights violations they commit everyday.
Case 1 - Saudia Arabia.
Take this case:
Canadian Bill Sampson, a business consultant in Saudi Arabia, spent two-and-a-half years on death row.
“It initially started with punchings and kickings, and that progressed from beating me on the soles of my feet to being hung upside down in a position known as the chicken -- with your feet uppermost and your feet and backside exposed, readily available for beating,” says Sampson. “And between interrogation sessions, I was returned to the same cell and handcuffed to the door, so I couldn't sit down and I couldn't sleep.”
Sandy Mitchell, who is British, was also tortured into confessing to the bombings. He was living in Riyadh with his Thai wife and son.
“As bad as the pain was, the breaking point, when I got to the extent that I would say anything to please these people, was when they said, ‘We're going to arrest your wife. She's a Thai national, we can do anything we want to her,’” says Mitchell. “And at that stage, I decided I would confess to anything. They knew we were innocent. They had to tell us what to say.”
Read all about it 60 minutes
Case 2. Our beloved Pakistan.
Dead Mohajir (Urdu Speaking/Pakistanis who migrated from India)
Torture to death by Karachi Police during interogation.
See more http://www.karachipa...admohajir_f.htm
So........Pakistan & Saudia can do anything in the name of "Fighting Terrorism" and USA cannot ????
Case 1 - Saudia Arabia.
Take this case:
Canadian Bill Sampson, a business consultant in Saudi Arabia, spent two-and-a-half years on death row.
“It initially started with punchings and kickings, and that progressed from beating me on the soles of my feet to being hung upside down in a position known as the chicken -- with your feet uppermost and your feet and backside exposed, readily available for beating,” says Sampson. “And between interrogation sessions, I was returned to the same cell and handcuffed to the door, so I couldn't sit down and I couldn't sleep.”
Sandy Mitchell, who is British, was also tortured into confessing to the bombings. He was living in Riyadh with his Thai wife and son.
“As bad as the pain was, the breaking point, when I got to the extent that I would say anything to please these people, was when they said, ‘We're going to arrest your wife. She's a Thai national, we can do anything we want to her,’” says Mitchell. “And at that stage, I decided I would confess to anything. They knew we were innocent. They had to tell us what to say.”
Read all about it 60 minutes
Case 2. Our beloved Pakistan.
Dead Mohajir (Urdu Speaking/Pakistanis who migrated from India)
Torture to death by Karachi Police during interogation.
See more http://www.karachipa...admohajir_f.htm
So........Pakistan & Saudia can do anything in the name of "Fighting Terrorism" and USA cannot ????
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 07:36 PM
Awful! death and torture orgy!....but the westerners arent laying dead in the morgue...!
About terrorism in karachi..was that originally started by police, for their pleasure?.. or was that police's desperate answer to urdu speaking pakistanis' extortions, kidnappings and terrorism...?? maybe police wanted to struck so much terror and fear into the hearts of urdu speaking ppl so that their leaders didnt dare to plan and execute more of their violence...Im just woundring....
About terrorism in karachi..was that originally started by police, for their pleasure?.. or was that police's desperate answer to urdu speaking pakistanis' extortions, kidnappings and terrorism...?? maybe police wanted to struck so much terror and fear into the hearts of urdu speaking ppl so that their leaders didnt dare to plan and execute more of their violence...Im just woundring....
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 07:41 PM
These people were NOT killed by any Westener!!! They were tortured or killed by our fellow Muslim Pakistanis! Saudi do the same thing with their citizens.
Thats the mosssssssst stupid statement I have ever heard. Basically you are saying it is ok for any Government to Kill & torture their own citizens?
Then this means that USA has the right to torture any Iraqi in Iraq!
Because they were able to do this in Karachi, few years later they were able to do this in NWFP and KILL many many many innocent people...again in the name of fighting terrorism. Where was the Justice? judge or jury for the Pathans in Wana Operation? and 30 so years back..where was the justice for Bengali muslims??
Where will it end? will there be another operation in Baluchistan? like the one Bhutto did?
I m sure all of us (Urdu Speaking, Pathan, Balochi) are plain simple terrorist! and there should be no Judge & Jury trial for us!
If you wana kill us, atleast prove us guilty in a Court of Law? OR does the Govt of Pakistan not believe in its own Court of Justice????
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maybe police wanted to struck so much terror and fear into the hearts of urdu speaking ppl so that their leaders didnt dare to plan and execute more of their violence
Thats the mosssssssst stupid statement I have ever heard. Basically you are saying it is ok for any Government to Kill & torture their own citizens?
Then this means that USA has the right to torture any Iraqi in Iraq!
Because they were able to do this in Karachi, few years later they were able to do this in NWFP and KILL many many many innocent people...again in the name of fighting terrorism. Where was the Justice? judge or jury for the Pathans in Wana Operation? and 30 so years back..where was the justice for Bengali muslims??
Where will it end? will there be another operation in Baluchistan? like the one Bhutto did?
I m sure all of us (Urdu Speaking, Pathan, Balochi) are plain simple terrorist! and there should be no Judge & Jury trial for us!
If you wana kill us, atleast prove us guilty in a Court of Law? OR does the Govt of Pakistan not believe in its own Court of Justice????
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 08:00 PM
Ok, I'll take it back...But still Pakistan is weak society..desperat poverty ..no body respects no one,..widespread handheld weapons...criminality.. high murder rate....dacoit cases...corruption...feudalism...for some ppl killing and dieing 'mamoly baat hai'..political parties fighting like dogs ...no sense of desency...private ppl taking law in there own hand..and much more..so hoping for justce there is just....
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 09:25 PM
Nooman: condemning the Arab who're carrying out this Barbaric Tradition is all right and noteworthy, but that does NOT pertain to the topic of this thread.
Please don't shift the focus. If we keep on applying our punches all over the place, we're at risk to not concentrate our energy for ONCE.
Btw, this crap does in no way justify the crap and atrocities of the US. It does in no way mean that we shouldn't be enraged about the sexual harrassments. Either way it's shameful...
Please don't shift the focus. If we keep on applying our punches all over the place, we're at risk to not concentrate our energy for ONCE.
Btw, this crap does in no way justify the crap and atrocities of the US. It does in no way mean that we shouldn't be enraged about the sexual harrassments. Either way it's shameful...
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 10:07 PM
General, on May 10 2004, 12:00 AM, said:
you are on of the people that I would love to see hanging on the gates of the American embassy.
Plus you're one of the people id love to see their brains splatered on the damn wall.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 10:10 PM
Fundamentalist ####, on May 10 2004, 11:48 AM, said:
people with defeating mentality like you are the problems not the Muslims or Islam or Ummah.
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