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[ABBASIA]

Am pretty sure this has been posted somewhere (sorry if it has) but when is the next expected delivery of thunders, we've been sitting on that batch of 14 for a while now ?

16 produced aircraft were reported some time back.

[Londo Molari]

I read 20 delivered to PAF in one of those articles that came out after Farnborough show.

[blackvenom]

I read 20 delivered to PAF in one of those articles that came out after Farnborough show.

dont see any reason why that number wouldnt be plausible.

[hala]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytKPbzuKT-8...player_embedded

[airomerix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytKPbzuKT-8...player_embedded

Pakistan really needs to pick some one from PDF to make a coverage of the airshows and occasions.

[Londo Molari]

Pakistan really needs to pick some one from PDF to make a coverage of the airshows and occasions.

Yeah, that anchor guy did not seem sincere, he didn't appreciate the importance of the situation.

I noticed the PAF guy said that PAF has SD-10 now.

[seacad]

Is that the SAME Khalid Mahmood who shot down 4 aircraft during the Afghan Soviet war? (Including 2 Mig-23's?)

[visioninthedark]

Is that the SAME Khalid Mahmood who shot down 4 aircraft during the Afghan Soviet war? (Including 2 Mig-23's?)

Yes I think so. He has grown older but your can see he's the same when you compare to his older pics.

[wcheema]

Yeah, that anchor guy did not seem sincere, he didn't appreciate the importance of the situation.

I noticed the PAF guy said that PAF has SD-10 now.

Dear londo molari,

i have a question, what is a friends and foe detection systems as in F16,
how does it works??

thanks in anticipation,

waqar

[Zola]

If i remember correctly, i read somewhere on this forum that the UK based company has offered an AESA radar for this eagle, which was turned down by the PAF. And that some negotiations were underway in 2009 with france for their version of the same... Does anyone here know where we stand for this issue. I know that the 1st 50 would be fitted with the chinese version ( is it? ) and the later ones would use the western tech radar and avionics.

More thoughts / facts on this please...

[M_ZEE32]

Dear londo molari,

i have a question, what is a friends and foe detection systems as in F16,
how does it works??

thanks in anticipation,

waqar

The IFF or Identification, Friend or Foe (also nicknamed "Reply or Die") is a detection system to ask if the aircraft is friendly or not.  Modern day IFF systems are basically Question/Answer systems. An interrogator system sends out a coded radio signal that asks any number of queries, including: Who are you? Whats the Tail number ?  on What mission are you ?  The interrogation code or challenge, as it is called, is received by an electronic system known as a Transponder that is aboard the target aircraft. If the transponder receives the proper electronic code from an interrogator, it automatically transmits the requested identification back to the interrogating radar. This way the two aircrafts establish taht they are friendly.

IFF is a two channel system, with one frequency (1.03 GHz) used for the interrogating signals and another (1.09 GHz) for the reply. The system is further broken down into four SIF (Selective Identification Feature) modes of operation (two for both military and civilian aircraft and two strictly for military use) and an additional cryptographic mode wich actually performs the Friend/Foe classification when operating in a battle environment.

Falcons use a number of IFF system like AN/APX-76, AN/APX-104, AN/APX-109, AN/APX-113 depending on block and type of it  !

[M_ZEE32]

If i remember correctly, i read somewhere on this forum that the UK based company has offered an AESA radar for this eagle, which was turned down by the PAF. And that some negotiations were underway in 2009 with france for their version of the same... Does anyone here know where we stand for this issue. I know that the 1st 50 would be fitted with the chinese version ( is it? ) and the later ones would use the western tech radar and avionics.

More thoughts / facts on this please...

They were offered  VIxEN 500 by Selex, But PAF is interested in more advanced tech, at moment they were engaged with French for RC-400 and MICA deal, which is yet pending due to unavailability of funds by Pakistani side,

[Zola]

They were offered  VIxEN 500 by Selex, But PAF is interested in more advanced tech, at moment they were engaged with French for RC-400 and MICA deal, which is yet pending due to unavailability of funds by Pakistani side,

This helps, thanks !

I hope that we get that RC-400. I am pretty much sure that once we get it, we shall knock down atleast the Mig29s of our enemy xxx

[Danish Moazzam]

Vixen 1000 is being fitted in Grippen NG if i am not wrong. If this could be added to Thunder it will be a great addition. But i still pray the Chinese come with a better Radar and we get Chinese radars in next batch too. they are reliable and will help local industry grow, whereas Vixen or RC-400 would only be an assembly job

[Dizasta]

What I am interested in seeing, is what sort of importance does the JF-17 Thunder play for Pakistan Air Force. Reason why my attention is on this particular subject is related two essential ideoligies which have been floating around in the western media, ever since the Thunder made its international debut at Farnborough. The first, which the western media is hyping about, is that the JF-17 Thunders are Pakistan's platform of choice to 'Bulk-Out' their fleet numbers. The second, where JF-17 Thunders is slated as a Medium-to-Low, Light-Weight, Multi-Role fighter. The problem here is whether Pakistan Air Force sees JF-17 Thunder's role similar to that of F-7Ps? Surely, when you invest in building your fighters in order to relieve the dependencies on foreign technology. Then you would want a fighter which would be on par with the baseline that its suppose to counter-balance. In other words, JF-17 Thunders shouldn't be seen as a 'Bomb-Truck', rather a fighter which has true BVR/WVR Air Combat capabilities as well as Precision Strike capabilities.

Keeping this in mind, it is essential that the JF-17 Thunder is equipped with a powerful radar that can not only offer superior performance in BVR/WVR combat envelope. But also allow the Thunders to carry out precision strikes on the enemy targets and be powerful enough to jam or fry the opponents radar long enough to defeat them. JF-17 Thunders should also carry true BVR Missiles capable of shooting down enemy fighters at respectable ranges and offer a better kill-ratio per engagement. Lastly, the Thunders should be capable of defending itself, for that purpose their ECM capabilities should be more than good. As the Thunders would constitute the 'Bulk' of Pakistan Air Force's fighting fleet, it is that much more necessary that this fighter should have all these capabilities and should present Pakistan with a primier platform which can counter the enemy's fighter fleet.

[Zola]

Agreed with Dizasta !

[wcheema]

The IFF or Identification, Friend or Foe (also nicknamed "Reply or Die") is a detection system to ask if the aircraft is friendly or not.  Modern day IFF systems are basically Question/Answer systems. An interrogator system sends out a coded radio signal that asks any number of queries, including: Who are you? Whats the Tail number ?  on What mission are you ?  The interrogation code or challenge, as it is called, is received by an electronic system known as a Transponder that is aboard the target aircraft. If the transponder receives the proper electronic code from an interrogator, it automatically transmits the requested identification back to the interrogating radar. This way the two aircrafts establish taht they are friendly.

IFF is a two channel system, with one frequency (1.03 GHz) used for the interrogating signals and another (1.09 GHz) for the reply. The system is further broken down into four SIF (Selective Identification Feature) modes of operation (two for both military and civilian aircraft and two strictly for military use) and an additional cryptographic mode wich actually performs the Friend/Foe classification when operating in a battle environment.

Falcons use a number of IFF system like AN/APX-76, AN/APX-104, AN/APX-109, AN/APX-113 depending on block and type of it  !

thank you dear,

waqar

[GreenBeret]

What I am interested in seeing, is what sort of importance does the JF-17 Thunder play for Pakistan Air Force. Reason why my attention is on this particular subject is related two essential ideoligies which have been floating around in the western media, ever since the Thunder made its international debut at Farnborough. The first, which the western media is hyping about, is that the JF-17 Thunders are Pakistan's platform of choice to 'Bulk-Out' their fleet numbers. The second, where JF-17 Thunders is slated as a Medium-to-Low, Light-Weight, Multi-Role fighter. The problem here is whether Pakistan Air Force sees JF-17 Thunder's role similar to that of F-7Ps? Surely, when you invest in building your fighters in order to relieve the dependencies on foreign technology. Then you would want a fighter which would be on par with the baseline that its suppose to counter-balance. In other words, JF-17 Thunders shouldn't be seen as a 'Bomb-Truck', rather a fighter which has true BVR/WVR Air Combat capabilities as well as Precision Strike capabilities.

Keeping this in mind, it is essential that the JF-17 Thunder is equipped with a powerful radar that can not only offer superior performance in BVR/WVR combat envelope. But also allow the Thunders to carry out precision strikes on the enemy targets and be powerful enough to jam or fry the opponents radar long enough to defeat them. JF-17 Thunders should also carry true BVR Missiles capable of shooting down enemy fighters at respectable ranges and offer a better kill-ratio per engagement. Lastly, the Thunders should be capable of defending itself, for that purpose their ECM capabilities should be more than good. As the Thunders would constitute the 'Bulk' of Pakistan Air Force's fighting fleet, it is that much more necessary that this fighter should have all these capabilities and should present Pakistan with a primier platform which can counter the enemy's fighter fleet.

The plane is not seen just as a replacement for F-7 and Mirages or as a bomb truck but it offers more than that which is why its upgradation will be done in 2/3 blocks and also a stealthy version may show up after a few years.

SD-10 is a true BVR AAM, although untested in combat ike R-77. The basic two major advantages it has over the aircraft it will replace are firstly, its is highly upgradable as per the requirements of modern Air Combat, secondly, it can carry much more payload and can stay in air more than them.Since its cheap to operate and produce, its an ideal plane as a replacement for PAF fleet. If a 20 Million $ plane takes out a 50 million + $, i think it has more than done its share of the job.Its just the game of putting more electronics on the aircraft now which will decide its lethality.These may include radar, pods, sensors, armament etc of various types.

An A-5 is a bomb truck, a BVR-less Egyptian F-16 is a bomb truck, not a JF-17. The KLJ-7 can use both BVR weaponary, A-2-A and A-2-G. The reason Egyptians want JF-17 is because of its BVR capability, the SD-10 for now. They have 220+ F-16, and they want TOT for JF-17, no one wants TOT just for a Bomb Truck.

[M_ZEE32]

And It have got more potential to be modified to use other equipment and ordinance from any origin, like the Mk bombs, south african A-darter, chinese weaponry, french weapons,

[Zola]

And It have got more potential to be modified to use other equipment and ordinance from any origin, like the Mk bombs, south african A-darter, chinese weaponry, french weapons,

I hope that they perform such upgradations Now, not in 2025. I know its not achievable in a fortnight, however time is running out fast !!

[Dizasta]

The plane is not seen just as a replacement for F-7 and Mirages or as a bomb truck but it offers more than that which is why its upgradation will be done in 2/3 blocks and also a stealthy version may show up after a few years.

SD-10 is a true BVR AAM, although untested in combat ike R-77. The basic two major advantages it has over the aircraft it will replace are firstly, its is highly upgradable as per the requirements of modern Air Combat, secondly, it can carry much more payload and can stay in air more than them.Since its cheap to operate and produce, its an ideal plane as a replacement for PAF fleet. If a 20 Million $ plane takes out a 50 million + $, i think it has more than done its share of the job.Its just the game of putting more electronics on the aircraft now which will decide its lethality.These may include radar, pods, sensors, armament etc of various types.

An A-5 is a bomb truck, a BVR-less Egyptian F-16 is a bomb truck, not a JF-17. The KLJ-7 can use both BVR weaponary, A-2-A and A-2-G. The reason Egyptians want JF-17 is because of its BVR capability, the SD-10 for now. They have 220+ F-16, and they want TOT for JF-17, no one wants TOT just for a Bomb Truck.

Don't think Hosne Mubarak & Co can be trusted, which is why China & Pakistan should not sell it to Egypt. Even if they do sell Thunders to Egypt, then it should be a down-graded one, which does not have the same Radar, Missiles and Electronic Warfare Suite as the ones on Pakistan Air Force.

Also, Green Beret, I wasn't insinuating that Pakistan Air Force regards the Thunder as a 'Bomb Truck', rather the western media.

[M_ZEE32]

As someone already mentioned that there would be no possibility to downgrade it, Rather there might be options to sell it without BVRs or downgraded BVRs. And perhaps the the new advanced blocks are already in the testing phases ?

[Iranian Warrior]

I read 20 delivered to PAF in one of those articles that came out after Farnborough show.

I believe that 6 former prototypes and 14 production variants have been delivered to Pakistan, for a total of 20.

Don't think Hosne Mubarak & Co can be trusted, which is why China & Pakistan should not sell it to Egypt. Even if they do sell Thunders to Egypt, then it should be a down-graded one, which does not have the same Radar, Missiles and Electronic Warfare Suite as the ones on Pakistan Air Force.

Also, Green Beret, I wasn't insinuating that Pakistan Air Force regards the Thunder as a 'Bomb Truck', rather the western media.

Then they are foolish. While the Jf-17 is a lower tier jet by modern standards (i.e. It wont fare well when compared to a modernised F-16 or J-10 or Mig-29SMT or Flanker etc), that is not what is amazing about it. It was not built to compete with more advanced jets in a 1 to 1 basis. It was built to be a cheap and affordable platform that can do many jobs and fill a requirement. If sent alone against a SU-30MKI etc, chances are that the pilot is not coming home alive, but thats not what it was meant to do. It was meant to work as part along side higher mix fighters and force multipliers to get missions done. Thats what the PAF wanted it for. The PAF have learned from sanctions to deal with minimum assets and weaponry and have become excellent at making do with what they have. Thats what they had in mind when the wanted the Jf-17 and thats why for them, it is the perfect plane.

Here is why:

It costs the PAF only 15 million dollars an air frame. Thats right...

$15m for a multi-role, BVR capable fighter that has open architecture meaning that it can easily be modified to use Chinese, American, French weaponry in both air to air combat and strike missions. It can carry 7 hardpoints 1300km, do its mission then return. Thats really useful. Sending a few squadrons of these to harass your enemy can really distract their vital assets. Can you name any other plane which can do this for that price?  Look at how versatile and effective it proved in South Waziristan with a HUGE array of different weapons.

The Jf-17 isn't a good plane for the PAF because it can beat the IAF's Mirages or flankers or fulcrums... It is not a superior platform to them and shouldn't beat them, it wasn't designed or intended for this job. Its a good plane for the PAF because it gives them an affordable capability to add to their air fleet and many more options. It frees up the J-10's and F-16's for vital defence missions, it gives a strike capability that the F-7 and A-5 could never offer and does all of this at a price the PAF can afford. Pakistan made a good choice with their realistic requirments and proof is that the plane they wanted is in service today. Compare this with the IAF and the LCA embarassment.

[Daredevil]

It costs the PAF only 15 million dollars an air frame. Thats right...

$15m for a multi-role, BVR capable fighter that has open architecture meaning that it can easily be modified to use Chinese, American, French weaponry in both air to air combat and strike missions. It can carry 7 hardpoints 1300km, do its mission then return. Thats really useful. Sending a few squadrons of these to harass your enemy can really distract their vital assets. Can you name any other plane which can do this for that price?  Look at how versatile and effective it proved in South Waziristan with a HUGE array of different weapons.

The Jf-17 isn't a good plane for the PAF because it can beat the IAF's Mirages or flankers or fulcrums... It is not a superior platform to them and shouldn't beat them, it wasn't designed or intended for this job. Its a good plane for the PAF because it gives them an affordable capability to add to their air fleet and many more options. It frees up the J-10's and F-16's for vital defence missions, it gives a strike capability that the F-7 and A-5 could never offer and does all of this at a price the PAF can afford. Pakistan made a good choice with their realistic requirments and proof is that the plane they wanted is in service today. Compare this with the IAF and the LCA embarassment.

I disagree its not a given that JF-1 can't beat Fulcrum, Mirages or Flankers. As long as it has a BVR capability with SD-10 and the right avionics than it has the ability to beat them depending on the of circumstances ofcourse. The skill of the pilots matters alot and the overall training / culture / technology of any particular air force is also important. You should not just look at a planes ability on paper and jump to conclusion who will win. Israeli pilots shoots down Arab Vampires with their piston fighters. PAF Mig 19s were taking heavy toll on  more advance IAF fighters (on paper).

[Iranian Warrior]

I disagree its not a given that JF-1 can't beat Fulcrum, Mirages or Flankers. As long as it has a BVR capability with SD-10 and the right avionics than it has the ability to beat them depending on the of circumstances ofcourse. The skill of the pilots matters alot and the overall training / culture / technology of any particular air force is also important. You should not just look at a planes ability on paper and jump to conclusion who will win. Israeli pilots shoots down Arab Vampires with their piston fighters. PAF Mig 19s were taking heavy toll on  more advance IAF fighters (on paper).

I was  talking about airframes as is. As a solo jet standing on its own.

For example take two pilots of equal skill and put one in a JF-17 and one in a SU-30MKI. Who do you think will win the most confrontations out of 100 battles? Do the same with the Jf-17 and a Mirage 2k or Jf-17 and Mig-29SMT or F-16 Blck 52+ and you will see where I was going with my post. I was saying the Jf-17 was good for the PAF in its role as a middle tier platform. Its not expected to be an MKI killer.....

[Best of the Best]

I was  talking about airframes as is. As a solo jet standing on its own.

For example take two pilots of equal skill and put one in a JF-17 and one in a SU-30MKI. Who do you think will win the most confrontations out of 100 battles? Do the same with the Jf-17 and a Mirage 2k or Jf-17 and Mig-29SMT or F-16 Blck 52+ and you will see where I was going with my post. I was saying the Jf-17 was good for the PAF in its role as a middle tier platform. Its not expected to be an MKI killer.....

I beg to disagree my Friend even on one on one there is no Question that SU-30MKI holds a clear advantage but SU-30MKI are upgraded to the Max they have the best Russia as to offer and JF-17 even in its current configuration would give it a bloody nose any day anytime any where, if the proposed upgrades are to take place including IRST, AESA radar, 5th generation WVR and a HMC i think JF-17 would have as good a chance against SU-30MKI as an SU-30MKI would against a JF-17 do keep in mind i am talking post upgrades. perhaps you will agree, in terms of Range and Payload, Radar SU-30MKI is superior but in A2A it all comes to the wits of the pilot.

[rungroot]

I beg to disagree my Friend even on one on one there is no Question that SU-30MKI holds a clear advantage but SU-30MKI are upgraded to the Max they have the best Russia as to offer and JF-17 even in its current configuration would give it a bloody nose any day anytime any where, if the proposed upgrades are to take place including IRST, AESA radar, 5th generation WVR and a HMC i think JF-17 would have as good a chance against SU-30MKI as an SU-30MKI would against a JF-17 do keep in mind i am talking post upgrades. perhaps you will agree, in terms of Range and Payload, Radar SU-30MKI is superior but in A2A it all comes to the wits of the pilot.

A lot depends on modern ECM capabilities.  The mki only holds advantage if the opponent does NOT have a decent ECM suite to protect him because there, the mki will capitalize on BVR.  However, if the opponent (regardless of whether it is the JF-17 or an F-16, whatever) does employ effective ECM then the mki does not have any choice but to go in for close combat in which case, as we've seen during the Red Flag 2008, the mkis were easily taken out, and we're talkin' gun kills.  Now, having said that, if take into account the PAF pilots who have close combat drilled into them day and night not to mention, they are forced to use extreme tactics and think out of the box, the mki does not stand a chance in close combat.  And that too is true IF the JF-17 isn't employing BVR of its own.  If both the planes are employing effective ECM capabilities, then close combat is guaranteed to occur.

[M_ZEE32]

Wont the TVC of MKI give it any edge to legacy fighters ?

[AWA]

Wont the TVC of MKI give it any edge to legacy fighters ?

TVC is certainly a plus point but in the presence of HMS and Fifth Generation WVR missile, A JF-17 can easily overcome Su-30MKI's TVC advantage.

[GreenBeret]

I was  talking about airframes as is. As a solo jet standing on its own.

For example take two pilots of equal skill and put one in a JF-17 and one in a SU-30MKI. Who do you think will win the most confrontations out of 100 battles? Do the same with the Jf-17 and a Mirage 2k or Jf-17 and Mig-29SMT or F-16 Blck 52+ and you will see where I was going with my post. I was saying the Jf-17 was good for the PAF in its role as a middle tier platform. Its not expected to be an MKI killer.....

Thats very non-practical.and it would be a time wastage to do such calculations.
There are always force multipliers present like AWACS for either one of the force, there are always wingmen and even if all around everybody gets shot down and only two are left, u never know which plane has how many WVR/BVR missiles left to fire or fuel status or cannon rounds etc etc.

[Magnus]

China in talks with several potential JF-17 customers

China is in discussions about selling the Chengdu Aircraft/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder fighter to up to eight countries.

The third-generation, single-engine fighter, which was jointly developed by Pakistan and China, is being pitched as a replacement for several existing types. These include the RSK MiG-21, Dassault Mirage 5, Northrop F-5 and Chinese models, such as the Nanchang A-5 and Chengdu F-7.

“We’re talking with six to eight countries about the JF-17,” says Zeng Wen, vice-president of the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC), which markets military aircraft overseas on behalf of the country’s manufacturers. “It is a low cost solution for developing countries.”

Zeng declines to specify which countries are considering the aircraft. Officers from several African air forces, however, were having discussions with CATIC officials at the company’s chalet at Airshow China in Zhuhai. Other countries that could be keen include Egypt, Sri Lanka and Venezuela, all long-time customers for Chinese military aircraft.

Pakistan, China’s “50:50” partner in the project, is playing a big role in helping CATIC market the aircraft abroad, says Zeng. Three Pakistan air force JF-17s, along with a number of other Pakistani aircraft, are in Zhuhai and a JF-17 participated in the flying display. There were also around 170 officials from the service at the show.

Pakistan has confirmed orders for 50 JF-17s, but Zeng feels the south Asian nation could eventually buy up to 200. At the beginning of 2010, Pakistan had 14 operational JF-17s.

China's People’s Liberation Army Air Force has not yet signed up for the fighter, but Zeng says: “We believe the PLAAF will consider the JF-17. They are watching the programme very closely.”

Zeng says CATIC is serious about support, and provides training for both flight crews and maintenance personnel. “During the design phase we also talked with many customers,” he says. “A lot of expertise from Pakistan was also included in the aircraft's design.”

Technology transfer is also on the table, says Zeng, who adds: “If a customer requires technology transfer, then we will do our best to meet their requirements.”
Chinese officials have said in the past that for JF-17 customers, they could set up an assembly line or produce components for the aircraft, just like some Western suppliers. This would include both traditional and non-traditional clients.

"We provide very capable aircraft at a very reasonable price compared to what else there is in the market,” said CATIC president Ma Zhiping recently. “One of the biggest problems for many of our customers is financing. Many are developing countries and their payment abilities are limited. We work with the Chinese government in these cases to help them get cheap credit."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/...tial-jf-17.html

[Zola]

I just saw on Express News that JF17 would be fitted with Chinese Missile system and the option of arming Jf17 with some other missile system doesnot stand anymore; interview given by Rao Suleman. He also mentioned that Pakistan would buy the SD10 and others which would be carried on JF17.

While giving interview to a foreign press , he stated THAT Pakistan MAY ALSO PURCHASE SURFACE TO AIR MISSILES FROM CHINA (SAM)............  

[rungroot]

I just saw on Express News that JF17 would be fitted with Chinese Missile system and the option of arming Jf17 with some other missile system doesnot stand anymore; interview given by Rao Suleman. He also mentioned that Pakistan would buy the SD10 and others which would be carried on JF17.

While giving interview to a foreign press , he stated THAT Pakistan MAY ALSO PURCHASE SURFACE TO AIR MISSILES FROM CHINA (SAM)............  

That tells me that Chinese air to air missile have become as advanced as the western ones.

[Zola]

That tells me that Chinese air to air missile have become as advanced as the western ones.

I see the guy being in China for the Zhuai air show...  The man is known to be as an ''intelligent asset'' within the PAF. So him to say this , you must very well be correct about the Chinese advancement in the field....

I am more happy about the news stating the acquiring of the SAM system.. I hope its the advanced version of HQ9 which china recently used to dummy shoot an f22 raptor...

Endia, ending soon... Thats for sure !

[rungroot]

I see the guy being in China for the Zhuai air show...  The man is known to be as an ''intelligent asset'' within the PAF. So him to say this , you must very well be correct about the Chinese advancement in the field....

I am more happy about the news stating the acquiring of the SAM system.. I hope its the advanced version of HQ9 which china recently used to dummy shoot an f22 raptor...

Endia, ending soon... Thats for sure !

It is the HQ9 dude.  The rats at the rat-fukshak forum are already shitting bricks that we have the HQ9 which is a guaranteed death sentence for there phalcon and for their susu-makhi if they come in our range.  I saw this back in 2008 on their rat-fukshack forum.  It's 2 years past now so you KNOW we have plenty of these babies just waiting.  I would just love for these gay rats to attack us; just give us an excuse!!!

[M_ZEE32]

I just saw on Express News that JF17 would be fitted with Chinese Missile system and the option of arming Jf17 with some other missile system doesnot stand anymore; interview given by Rao Suleman. He also mentioned that Pakistan would buy the SD10 and others which would be carried on JF17.

While giving interview to a foreign press , he stated THAT Pakistan MAY ALSO PURCHASE SURFACE TO AIR MISSILES FROM CHINA (SAM)............  

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/A...ory_604590.html

[Best of the Best]

Basically we are going for HQ-18 which is the domestically Chinese version of the S-300V Simultaneously tracked number of targets = 12 and Simultaneously engaging 6 targets impressive, not to mention the Chinese version has a range of 140–150 km (90mile). Wonder how many batteries we will buy. I think IAF will have its hands full.

[blueazure]

mods, please pardon the image, but i had to ask.....

[blueazure]

^^

No 4 and No 5 seem to be RWR antennas / IFF interrogator aerial

No 3 seems to be the ECM pod

but what about No 1 and 2 ??

also two small antennas sticking out just behind the nose...

anyone ?

[AWA]

mods, please pardon the image, but i had to ask.....

1. Rectangular shaped fairing on top of the vertial tailfin which houses ECM equipment.

2. A drag chute bay is located at the root of the vertial tailfin, A UV band MAWS(Missile Approach Warning System) is also visible at the root of the vertical tailfin.

3. The wingtip pylon rail to carry A2A missiles.

4. Upper VHF/UHF antenna.

5. Lower VHF/UHF antenna.