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[KudosBot]

Blasphemous Film and US Warships


“Islam is a cancer,” an unrepentant Sam Bacile, the offensive filmmaker, told American news media. Bacile, 56, who is based in Los Angeles, defended his blasphemous film, ‘The Innocence of Muslims” and has gone in hiding, in fear of world-wide protest anticipated of angry Muslims.

Hilary Clinton, in her dire pose, regretted the loss of 4 Americans who were killed in a protest by a Muslim group against the blasphemous film, just released with Arabic translation a week ago. In going into lengths as to how America is, in all its nobility, ‘the force for peace and progress in the world’ and how it has made the Libyan revolution possible, she went into a deep mode of contemplation saying:

“How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?”

Altogether disregarding the matter of blasphemy as not a considerable reason at all for Muslims to be angry, she went on saying:

“This is an attack that should shock the conscience of people of all faiths around the world… We condemn in the strongest terms this senseless act of violence… This was an attack by a small and savage group… But let me be clear – there is no justification for this, none. Violence like this is no way to honor religion or faith.”

Warning the world of a soon-coming terror, she jotted out that ‘There is no higher priority than protecting our men and women wherever they serve. We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault…’

Today, the next morning we are hearing news like ‘the Pentagon is sending warships to Libya following death of ambassador killed in ‘coordinated al Qaeda revenge attack by terrorists who used Libyan Mohammed movie protest as cover’ and that, ‘US unmanned surveillance drones are expected to begin flying over Benghazi and other locations in eastern Libya to look for jihadi encampments and targets that may be tied to the attack on U.S. State Department personnel.’ News say that ‘Attackers could have been staging revenge attack for death of al Qaeda official in June’ and that ‘Officials noted the staged attack came on 11th anniversary of 9/11’

We understand Hilary’s stance quite clearly as Muslim citizens of a Muslim country; on the one hand rejecting Islam as a veritable faith, disregarding the reverence of more than a billion souls living on this earth as non-sense and identifying Islam only and always with a group of un-detectable, present everywhere and never-to-be-found ghostly creature called al-Qaeda.

And on the other hand, after feeding the world with such a conspiracy theory, not wasting a day to attack and bewilder the peace and livelihood of a whole nation, afresh. Because al-Qaeda is such a mythical creature, like a liquid that soaks in everything and like a gas that evaporates instantly; something you know that is always there but disappears the moment you open your eyes; they tend to mold world-wide perception into the view that warships, drones and all the war-craft of the noble US peace-seeking force are the right instrument to seek out such a phantom like the al-Qaeda, by plucking out every brick in the walls of a country. No wonder the Muslims are accused of spreading Islam by the sword and the US is not for making peace with death-warrants for millions every time.

‘The world will not be the same’, again!; if the loss of the 3000 of the twin-towers was honoured by world-wide human sacrifice of over 10 million in 10 years, how should the loss of these 4 Americans be honoured, make a guess! Yes a nation has the right to honour its men with the highest honour, and while weak nations are always advised to revert to peaceful protests, the strongest will not shy down from committing the most disgraceful acts and declaring them noble.

And the weak ones, the Muslims are expected to timidly bury in the curtain of cowardice, they are attacked with spite and battered down for being radicle. PKKH gives the message to our enduring nation, that the radicle is the most valuable element of our substance; if we radicalize in the love of our Deen, which we believe to be the true answer for the suffering humanity; if we radicalize for the love of our Prophet (pbuh), whom we believe is the beacon from which all light of nobility, love and truth spreads out, then it will be the noblest thing for us to do; radicalize.

No! Islam does not promote violence, until it becomes the last and only option left, we can protest peacefully, we can boycott trade and diplomacy, we can stop being allies to the enemies of our beloved, we can use our words to awaken the anger that should be natural when our beloved ones are attacked. We can remind ourselves that we are not as weak as we seem to be and remind ourselves that if 18crore decide to take only one step of their feet together, that that will be enough to shake the world.

[paki_ryder]

The attack on the embassy in Libya was already planned by al qaeda and wasnt just some mob violence

[sobank]

^^^  what????????

[BaburMissile]

“How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?”

Ironic, isn't it? Always the same countries that the Yanks help "liberate" turn against them. To make matters more interesting, it's never the fault of the Yanks. Yankee crocodile tears. It's the same story all over again. Yanks help militants to overrun countries and regimes. Militants turn against the Yanks. The people turn against the Yanks for helping the militants. Yanks kill people and militants. Militants kill Yanks. Yet, the Yanks are innocent and haven't done any evil.

[Skull-Buster]

Libyans only accepted NATO help as they were being butchered by Gaddafi, it was a necessity. Now that Gaddafi is no more, US should be scared, very scared.

[platinum786]

The killing of the ambassador was mindless. The US government didn't create or endorse this private production.  Within the context of this scenario the only thing they are guilty of is not having adequate legislation against hate speech. Hardly reason for embassies to be the targets.

I wonder how many of those who protested, reported the film as offensive on youtube.

[BaburMissile]

platinum786, on 14 September 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

The killing of the ambassador was mindless. The US government didn't create or endorse this private production.  Within the context of this scenario the only thing they are guilty of is not having adequate legislation against hate speech. Hardly reason for embassies to be the targets.

I wonder how many of those who protested, reported the film as offensive on youtube.

That´s a valid point. The violence and killing of innocent people is unjustifiable. After all, the US ambassador had nothing to do with the hateful movie. People need to control their anger. Although, depicting the holy prophet (PBUH) as the movie maker did can disturb people to the point it has. The movie maker has not only ridiculed, but also added obscene clips to the movie. Also, the very same could be said of US killing innocent people through drone strikes. It's uncalled for.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

BaburMissile, on 14 September 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

That´s a valid point. The violence and killing of innocent people is unjustifiable. After all, the US ambassador had nothing to do with the hateful movie. People need to control their anger. Although, depicting the holy prophet (PBUH) as the movie maker did can disturb people to the point it has. The movie maker has not only ridiculed, but also added obscene clips to the movie. Also, the very same could be said of US killing innocent people through drone strikes. It's uncalled for.

I agree brother.

If people demonstrated infront of the embassy peacefully and constantly without any violence that would be a great move.

the violent demonstrations are going to be used once again, just like publishing of the cartoons in 2005, that Muslims are violent afterall.

It's just a thought,  I wouldn't be surprised if the cartoons were republished again to show solidarity with the idiots publishing the movie.
And then once again the debate for freedom of speech and pro-democracy would be against "all others" who oppose such thing.

If the white-western countries want to do it, then they will do so again and again because it is their backward narrow-minded and hating nature to do so.

The hatred has begun already here in Denmark, the media is going hype all about the issue, and taking exitpoll during the danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).
Many pro-demonstrations are going to take place all in the name of "freedom, democracy, liberalism, freedom of speech" - by manipulated idiots who say; don't like then get the hell out of country!


And this time, 4 years after the financial crisis, another boycot might be declared by the population of rich Muslim countries.

It is going to be a financial war.

The west has already it's recession going on and want to remove all South European countries from the Euro-currency.

The west might superficially stand together in solidarity, but european people are tired of all politicians, it's media and the instable economy.

The logical thinking is that; when europe can't stand together for a strong european economy, then how can it stand together for the anti-Muhammad (SAWS) movie and cartoons etc.

Answer: they dont care about it all because that is part of the white-race's nature; screw from left to right, live like an animal, killing and butchering people even their own kind - ie. Hitler or Anders Breivik.
Creating a blind hatred against a specific group like, they've done it for centuries!
Only because YES THEY CAN and feel superior to all other non-whites!


Ancient Greeks and the Romans were known for these factors, and that is what Reneissance did in the 15th/16th Centuries.

A boosting morale for being pro-white.
I have read Shakespeare's work on this issue as well, can't remember where i have read it but it was discussed during our special Shakespeare-English period after have read the work about Othello.


My history and English teacer told me (infront of the whole class) hold on to your seats;
"we (white-western) had issues and were against them (Black) , and it was ok at that time to do so. Now we've become modern, much better than before, so it's not ok".

The whole class of us Muslims, Arabs, Turkish and Pakistanis were shocked - even other white students supported us and counter-argued, that the same hatred is stirred in the media, by politicians and mocking by average white people of non-whites.
Nothing has changed. It is the same mentality.

However, on the other hand, the progressive developing positive side of the west, which was the essence for the Era of Enlightment and the peak of social stability of mental peace, has gone astray in the newer manipulated frustrated jobless with no future western-white people.
Pardon my french, they have BECOME MORE mentally degraded and stupid by believing everything from the media and politicians - rather than talking directly to the exposed prejucidices against the specific targetted group.



Peace

[nuclearpak]

Good thing is that all the protests in Pak were peaceful, not a stone was thrown on public property, and no hullarbazi!

[KudosBot]

The u.s govt says they have nothing to do with the movie lol.... and the HUMVEEE in movie dropped out of the skyyyyyyy

[seacad]

No one here finds it strange that no one (and I mean absolutlely NO ONE) in the entire muslim world ever heard of this movie (and no one even in USA, Britain or any other western country for that matter, I mean it was shown on 1 bloody screen in the states and even that showing was nearly empty according to CNN) and all of a sudden out of nowhere these people in Libya of all countries heard about this film and stormed the US embassy?

I am willing to bet that NO ONE ON THIS FORUM even heard or knew anything about this damn movie until the Embassy attack in libya


Also, there have been HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of anti-islam movies and documentaries insulting the Prophet S.A.W within the last decade

Obsession: Radical Islam's war against the west (2005)

Islam: What the west needs to know (2006)

Root of all Evil (2006)

Religulous (2011)


and so on, why all of a sudden this one film no one has ever heard of gives a heart attack to the people in libya and egypt to storm the embassies?

[KudosBot]

SEACAD.... You really know who's behind it, Who wants Christians & Mulims to fight n kill each other?

Who wants to bomb iran?

The American embassy worker killed was staged n killed by a 3rd country, sooo iran would get blamed n usa would start a war on iran....

[1Pakistani]

seacad, on 15 September 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

No one here finds it strange that no one (and I mean absolutlely NO ONE) in the entire muslim world ever heard of this movie (and no one even in USA, Britain or any other western country for that matter, I mean it was shown on 1 bloody screen in the states and even that showing was nearly empty according to CNN) and all of a sudden out of nowhere these people in Libya of all countries heard about this film and stormed the US embassy?

I am willing to bet that NO ONE ON THIS FORUM even heard or knew anything about this damn movie until the Embassy attack in libya


Also, there have been HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of anti-islam movies and documentaries insulting the Prophet S.A.W within the last decade

Obsession: Radical Islam's war against the west (2005)

Islam: What the west needs to know (2006)

Root of all Evil (2006)

Religulous (2011)


and so on, why all of a sudden this one film no one has ever heard of gives a heart attack to the people in libya and egypt to storm the embassies?

When I heard about the the incidence in Libya my first impression was false flag. Having managed to remove Ghadafi from power USA wants to fortify its control over the oil in Libya by having some form of military presence in that particular country. So what better excuse than of Al-Queda is now strong in Libya and look they killed our four diplomats so we need to go in.

The film was created for a purpose and released for a purpose Sep 11 and leading to violence. If now USA government beats war drums no one in in USA will say no due to Sep 11 being relived in their minds. But i guess USA miscalculated as to how far and wide will these protests spread and what dilemma it will create for them.

Interesting times ahead.

[seacad]

1Pakistani, on 16 September 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

When I heard about the the incidence in Libya my first impression was false flag. Having managed to remove Ghadafi from power USA wants to fortify its control over the oil in Libya by having some form of military presence in that particular country. So what better excuse than of Al-Queda is now strong in Libya and look they killed our four diplomats so we need to go in.

The film was created for a purpose and released for a purpose Sep 11 and leading to violence. If now USA government beats war drums no one in in USA will say no due to Sep 11 being relived in their minds. But i guess USA miscalculated as to how far and wide will these protests spread and what dilemma it will create for them.

Interesting times ahead.

Yes the protests worlwide in places like yemen, australia etc seem to be natural. Libya I agree with you was all staged!

[paki_ryder]

seacad, on 15 September 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

No one here finds it strange that no one (and I mean absolutlely NO ONE) in the entire muslim world ever heard of this movie (and no one even in USA, Britain or any other western country for that matter, I mean it was shown on 1 bloody screen in the states and even that showing was nearly empty according to CNN) and all of a sudden out of nowhere these people in Libya of all countries heard about this film and stormed the US embassy?

I am willing to bet that NO ONE ON THIS FORUM even heard or knew anything about this damn movie until the Embassy attack in libya


Also, there have been HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of anti-islam movies and documentaries insulting the Prophet S.A.W within the last decade

Obsession: Radical Islam's war against the west (2005)

Islam: What the west needs to know (2006)

Root of all Evil (2006)

Religulous (2011)


and so on, why all of a sudden this one film no one has ever heard of gives a heart attack to the people in libya and egypt to storm the embassies?

the trailer was shown on an Egyptian Salafi station.


cant believe people are blaming the US goverment for this so much conspiracy theorists.

what the real problem is people getting angry over a stupid film, There are so many things wrong in this world and people decide this is what they will take the streets for.

[KudosBot]

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[paki_ryder]

KudosBot, on 16 September 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

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[KudosBot]

Anti-Islam film excuse for more US boots on ground: Analyst



An American political analyst says the latest anti-Islam film and the deadly unrest following its release is a pretext for the US to wage more wars in the Muslim world, Press TV reports.


“This major crisis in all the countries will be a justification for more boots on the ground the same way they’re ready to go into Libya now…It becomes a pretext to kill more Muslims, to steal more resources,” member of Dignity, Human Rights and Peace Randy Short said during a Press TV interview on Saturday.

The analyst slammed the message of the anti-Islam movie made in the United States and the lack of a restriction on productions aimed at creating unrest around the world under the flag of freedom of expression.

“Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), has to be, if not the singular, one of the greatest of three people that have ever lived. Insulting him and not being able to do something to restrict the insult of such a significant personality and religion, is by choice,” Short added.

Short argued that while insulting Islam’s prophet and “hurting the feelings” of Muslims is tolerated by US politicians and western Media, making comments about the Jewish faith would not go unpunished.

“I assure you, if this had been something on the Jewish faith - on the Talmud which has some very interesting comments, if you just put up the words from the Talmud about certain things, you would get in trouble. You would get attacked for simply reprinting what’s in the book with no commentary.”

“Imagine how little free speech we have where we can’t talk about what actually is; and yet, demonizing Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is freedom of speech,” Short added.

Short believes the strong presence of high-ranking Jewish people in Western media may be behind this selective freedom of expression.

Instead, he said that a response to hurting “our brothers and sisters in the Middle East” would most likely be one made with bombs and drones.

Short blamed such instances of insult on the West’s will to “ignore the significance of Islam” and a general lack of “desire to understand Muslims or Islam”, despite the fact that Islam is “the fastest growing religion in the world”.

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Tauheen-e-Rasalat
Perr Laanat Laanat!!




the us presidential election is 2 months from now. obama's own seat is at risk, due to the film-protests.

mitt romney is gaining a lot of votes, because he has only one solution: emotional revenge; hit back with full military force.
the govt. of us does not learn anything from the past and has no interests in global peace or any dialogue. Only because it can mistakes and not even admit it has made mistakes. Which is the typical mindset of white people; displace and pretend nothing happend.
From bottom to the top of the western-white society, it's the same bloody mindset.

it's pure hillbillie-cowboy backward primitive and barbaric style.


in europe: sentiments have come forward just like in 2005.
The crisis is being labelled and related directly to Muhammad (SAWS), where in reality a narrowminded backward barbaric non-peaceloving, uncivilized Jewish and Christian priest are the actual responsible individuals for this act of terrorism.
But no one in the media or in politics calls for the Jewish-Christian-film, hatred movie, anti-Islam, anti-Muslim film as titles.
It doesn't matter if it's against Muslims, Black, Yellow, Purple, Red or Brown.

The reason is: the whiteman will never call his own white people as whitetrash.



My personal point of view is: there is no more global peace, global stability or peace of mind in any country or society any longer.

It's the same intensifying stress (political, anti-religious), at the same time, there is no more global financial stability in the western-white societies, and they keep on being arrogantly proud of what they do and how they do it without thinking of "their next".
Both internally in their own socities and throughout europe.

Muslims should realize by now; they are all the same, regardless if they are deobandis, brelwis, wahabis, hanafi, shaafi, malaki, hanbali, sunni, shia, jafaria,


One God, One Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), One Book, One Kaabah, One Ummah, One Love.


Stand together and dont get socially disintregrated as what happend to many other nations with deliberate confusion created especially by the whiteman against the Red Indians, Black Slaves, Aborigines, the Chinese (before Mao came with his revolution) and now at present time; Muslims.

It would be such a lovely sight when Shias and Sunnis, side by side, demonstrated peacefully against the insult of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).

Every Sunni and Shiaa Ulema is agreeing on yes they disagree - they acknowlegde that - but it shouldn't be turned into hatred against others.
Secondly, they have to take that matter infront of Allah's Court and infront of Imam Mahdi when he arrives.

And many believe he has been borned and the timing wouldn't be wrong if he arrives, as Syria is going to be the country where he takes refugee, when the country gets attacked from the enemies. Besides that every Muslim country has problems, failures, break ups etc, every Muslim's morale ethic and selfconfidence has been weeken, every Muslim feels depressed when looking at every Muslim country's state, situation, matter and sorrows. This is a reality and a good thing because at least we have the feeling inside yearning to humbly Serve the Ummah of the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).

And the time has seriously come for Imam Mahdi's arrival.

I personally think, Syria could be attacked either within months or within few years from now. And that is going to happen very quick.



My feelings, thoughts and advices are: be ready to pack your things when you have to flee from the western countries, since Muslims aren't going to be spared at all.
It happend to the Jews. Hitler systematically cornered the Jews by passing anti-Jewish laws, policies, rules and regulations etc - while he also succedded in creating hatred against them in the society.

Well, with that piece of history, it has also been re-conceived and succesfully mentally implented against Muslims in the west.
It started through the media, then politics and finally policies.
Ie. here in denmark, that is how it happend with us Muslims. Or in france, Muslim who wear hijab are fined or even worse sent to jail for protesting their rights to wear a scarf.
It has nothing to do with, "their country, their law". Because in reality, no one in any western country damn cares about their law.
They break them and give the Black Sheeps of the society (foreigners/Muslims) the fully responsility for it, just like the white race-supremacists did that to the Red Indians and Black Slaves. Majority of the time, the cases it ended up with "killing Negroes for fun" and taking photo-shots like they were animals. (sorry for using the word Negroes, our Black African people are our human familymembers)

It's a fun hobby, that's whats it is.


Now UK has also started the same policies in it's immigration policies.
Since it was stated here in danish newspapers that the UK govt was keen gaining experiences from the danish-visa rules with a point-system and how to tackle immigration. And they would some how implement the same policies in their british policies.

This was few years ago and now UK is doing the same thing. Ie. passing strict immigration laws.


Yes, i know - we know - we want to say here in the west and live in the west as Muslims, as Pakistanis, but it isn't going to be easy because the anti-Islam, anti-Muslim, anti-Muhammad (SAWS) slogans, parties, lobbies, voices and medias are going to intensify and create a more biased blind hatred against us.


The social justice, among the white-western people themselves, is going to degrade and they wont be able to be just in their minds, talking, manners, respect and to other people.

The western countries will go down due to the social injustices in their own societies.

Sorry to say so, i am not apologetic but a realist Pakistani, just like it has happend to Pakistan over the years.


My advice is please be mentally prepared for storm rising against us.

Allama Muhammad Iqbal (May Allah Bless his soul) wrote:

Muslemaan Ko Muslemaan Benaa Diya Toufan-e-Maghrib Ney

Muslim has become Muslim Due to the western (white) storm.

Nearly 1 Century after he wrote that, his words still stand true.



Just my thoughts

Peace