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[Magnus]

[M_ZEE32]

Interesting bit is the army Chief helping finance the deal for AF. 

[TechSavy]

"The service lost one of its ZDK-03 during an attack by insurgents at minhas air base in 2012"

what is this we  all thaught we had lost a swedish AWACS, we lost Erieye or ZDK03 or it was a ZDK-03 besides one or three Erieye. Can any body here explain the actual looses of minhas attack.

 

[blueazure]

one AWACS was actually totalled at MINHAS, at that time everyone thought it was the ERIEYE, but now the acm has made a new revelation,

[Magnus]

ZDK-03 -> Typo

[shabi1]

one AWACS was actually totalled at MINHAS, at that time everyone thought it was the ERIEYE, but now the acm has made a new revelation,

PAF really needs to clarify this, way too much confusion plus no new pictures of the Erieye in ages. Infact new PAF pictures are all hard to come by, they are relying way too much on photoshop now. 

[Felicius]

We have only 1 Eriye operational (some say 2), and another replacement on order with Saab.

[TechSavy]

I found some thing very intersting these all SAAB 2000 which are converted to AWACS are used machines and these are all manufactured as civilian planes therefore they must have to be registered  with international registration authorities for air traffic control and collision avoidance.

 

http://www.planespot.../2000/index.php

http://www.planespot...istan-Air-Force

http://www.planespot...ountry/Pakistan

 

Their databases are showing all five awacs as active while this one shows one is stored

http://www.airfleets...kistan Gvmt.htm

 

by above data we can conclude that no Erieye is damaged beyond repair as none is shown scraped or decommission the store one is the one which is damaged . Furthermore PAF signed 170 million dollar contract for the supply of spares. SAAB are primarly made for civilian purposes and 170 million for two AWACS is sky high. I beleve we have more then two awacs operational

[blueazure]

at faisal base, the P3C's were out in the open and by independent jounalist photos of the wreckage, anyone could make out the exact loss. 

 

that did not happen at mehran,where the Erieye's(?) were struck inside hangars and PAF was / is very quiet about this, 

 

what we do know is from inside sources and that too is open for interpretation

 

what matters is that PAF base security protocols were lax and there were prior warnings / intelligence given to them that TTP / insurgent group are planning to strike EW assets . these warnings were mostly ignored and we paid the ultimate price 

[TechSavy]

at faisal base, the P3C's were out in the open and by independent jounalist photos of the wreckage, anyone could make out the exact loss. 

 

that did not happen at mehran,where the Erieye's(?) were struck inside hangars and PAF was / is very quiet about this, 

 

what we do know is from inside sources and that too is open for interpretation

 

what matters is that PAF base security protocols were lax and there were prior warnings / intelligence given to them that TTP / insurgent group are planning to strike EW assets . these warnings were mostly ignored and we paid the ultimate price 

 

Nothing was destroyed at faisal as its an PAF base P3Cs are destroyed at PNS Mehran and its Minhas where Erieye was supposedly destroyed. Its all messed up by extra qualified media and Einstein caliber journalists who know every thing except the grades which they obtain before getting in to this field.

[blueazure]

faisal and mehran are basically combined facilities, yes, my mistake, erieyes were hit at minhas ( roza is getting to me )

 

however, just because faisal was left alone doesnt mean PAF had to be given any credit, the insurgents did not consider a few PAF VIP and C 130 a/c worth a target( also parked in the open  ) and proceeded to mehran to hit the P3C's 

[nuclearpak]

I found some thing very intersting these all SAAB 2000 which are converted to AWACS are used machines and these are all manufactured as civilian planes therefore they must have to be registered  with international registration authorities for air traffic control and collision avoidance.

 

http://www.planespot.../2000/index.php

http://www.planespot...istan-Air-Force

http://www.planespot...ountry/Pakistan

 

Their databases are showing all five awacs as active while this one shows one is stored

http://www.airfleets...kistan Gvmt.htm

 

by above data we can conclude that no Erieye is damaged beyond repair as none is shown scraped or decommission the store one is the one which is damaged . Furthermore PAF signed 170 million dollar contract for the supply of spares. SAAB are primarly made for civilian purposes and 170 million for two AWACS is sky high. I beleve we have more then two awacs operational

 

CHal jigar enjoy kar phir!

 

CAn't believe we are still fretting about this issue after what, 1 year?

[nuclearpak]

Secondly, collision avoidance has nothing to do with registration.

 

Collision avoidance is done through Secondary Radar, Transponder, TCAS and now-a-days by ADS-B.

 

Registering an aircraft with the civil aviation authorities has nothing to do with collision avoidance.

[TechSavy]

Secondly, collision avoidance has nothing to do with registration.

 

Collision avoidance is done through Secondary Radar, Transponder, TCAS and now-a-days by ADS-B.

 

Registering an aircraft with the civil aviation authorities has nothing to do with collision avoidance.

 

I will appreciate if you don’t use words like this "CHal jigar"

 

Collision avoidance is done through Secondary Radar, Transponder, TCAS and now-a-days by ADS-B.

These are technologies not authorities and I can not do any thing if they "authorities" are called like what they are called  so make it simple we have to register cars before hitting the road so airplanes must have to be registered somewhere before any one can fly them.

 

CAn't believe we are still fretting about this issue after what, 1 year?

ACM is still fretting about this issue after one year because its too excruciating to loose an awacs on ground and if we had lose multiple ones then we are the only nation who had achieved such a milestone that’s why the wound is still open and it will never heal.

[Saad]

 

"The service lost one of its ZDK-03 during an attack by insurgents at minhas air base in 2012"

what is this we  all thaught we had lost a swedish AWACS, we lost Erieye or ZDK03 or it was a ZDK-03 besides one or three Erieye. Can any body here explain the actual looses of minhas attack.

 

 

This is not a word for word quote... more like writers assumption on the issue... but till the time something shows up in black and white.. we can not be sure..