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[Yahya]

recently it has came to my attention that our main supply systm is via trains and then trucks to spread maal out from stations to depots. this type system (no trucks then) was used in franco prussian war in the 1870 and holds record of biggest deployment in shortest time (i think)

how evver this system can only be used to supply forward positions. and if we carry out blitzcrieg we wont be able to supply our forward troop effeciently and our logisticle system will be greatly over streched.

should pakistan move towards airdrop system?

with air drop system we will suffer less from the overstretch problem the PA can surely deploy makeshift air fields and then trucks from there. the key is in the rate which we can build the make shift airfields and the rate at which we can lay in rail lines. and also with certain delivery platforms we do not even need air fields. i give the american chinook fleet for an example.

the major problem in setting such system up will be IAF. but i am sure with some additions that problem can be countered. (i wont mention the additions on here)
so can you exclude the threat from IAF when deciding.

[GreenBeret]

The army still rents civilian trucks for transport as logistics at some level isnt good.however each division has an supply n transport battalion composing of 2.5 and 7 ton trucks.these trucks are of old vintage and new transport are a necessity.

logistics n supply thru air is a very good idea.C130 airplanes and Mi8 helis can fill in this problem but im not sure if there is such plan currently under consideration.Transport in northern areas is carried out by llama helis.

The induction of bell helis from US can bring some new ideas in this respect.I saw supply of ammo for tanks thru helis in some movie based on a real story of Afghan war.

makeshift airfields maynot b possible by PAF.Supplies by rail is an old system but very vulnerable.I remember in Kargil conflict, a train loaded mostly with Indian soldiers was targetted thru remote control bomb and they suffered heavy loss,anyways that was a lapse of intelligent network on their part but trains can still be easily targetted from air.There werent planes in 1870,however blitzkrieg means that we r  moving in enemy environment making easier targets for their aircrafts.


I dont think PA logistics system is that good for a long thrust into India.

[CounterPunch]

logistics n supply thru air is a very good idea.C130 airplanes and Mi8 helis can fill in this problem but im not sure if there is such plan currently under consideration.Transport in northern areas is carried out by llama helis.

rest agreed !

its not practibale for mass movement of troops.......they are presently used by PA for supply purposes....but to move a large no.of troops + equipment from garisons to front wont be easy....and in some sectors (in pak)it might be possible but to have it functional through out the country we will need bases near the front....whihc will cost alot...+ easy targets for enemy.

[thouse]

Does anybody here have an idea of what it takes to supply a brigade in combat via air drop let alone a whole division or army group involved in a so-called blitz operation.  PAF will be luccky if it can provide safety for its own airfields, let alone provide cover for an air corridor of slow moving supply planes.  People should research before posting any idea that pops up in their head.

[Yahya]

what about airdrops we can make fewer makeshift airfields that way.

i believe it qwill be a great idea use helis and use planes also. but i also believe we need a strong air superiority force which will be used to have airsuperiority in target regions and then forces move in.

[GreenBeret]

Does anybody here have an idea of what it takes to supply a brigade in combat via air drop let alone a whole division or army group involved in a so-called blitz operation.  PAF will be luccky if it can provide safety for its own airfields, let alone provide cover for an air corridor of slow moving supply planes.  People should research before posting any idea that pops up in their head.

First of all, PA doesnt need a blitz operation for the capture of India as objective and in future there are very small chances of a Pak-India war.A blitz operation may be required to capture an area before the intervention of super powers to stop war eg Kargil.Now we arent talking abt an airborne brigade which needs paradrops as reinforcements,most probably its gonna be an infantry brigade and considering that these r gonna be foot soldiers,their objective wudnt be that far from the border that our supply lines would be extended too much.Using a mechanized infantry brigade with motro transport and APC's and tanks, the objective againt wudnt be so far from the border that PA wud b needing supplies to be air-dropped.can fuel b air-sropped?im not sure.ammunation,spares and ration..yes! Then again, the main supply depot in northern region is COD rawalpindi,further towards east is OD Kala,near to Jhelum..These are the main ordnance depots for supply in sialkot and bhimber sector.The main supply depot for FCNA is Gilgit,Skardu and Khapplu but these are far away from Siachen and other forward snowy areas..Im not sure abt main supply depots in sind and rest of punjab.but there is a OD in Quetta for operations against Afghanistan.maybe Hyderabad also has a OD for operations in Rann of Kutch.

My guess is,Pak Army wudnt be needing airdrop as  supplies until they plan to capture India and the only type of blitz by Pak Army wud b to capture an area in minimum time.

COD=Central Ordnance Depot
OD=Ordnance Depot

[Yahya]

green yaar what army where you in???

[GreenBeret]

green yaar what army where you in???

lol,long story...and a long discussion btwn me n my dad,lol....im a telecomm engineer from signals corps,well ex-signalian.left army on graduation from military college of signals.

[Yahya]

kool

[pakibath]

air drop method will be great but even US army could not manage 100% air based logistics and you could see in Iraq they lost many helos with a primitive enemy. Pakistan has a negligible army air unit,. C130s need better run ways and I hear in the mountains they some times use mules to transport supplies. In the desert areas trucks are great because they'll get protection from tank coloumns and close air support helos and fix wings.

[Dizasta]

I wonder how the air logistic support would look like with around 24/C-130s, 12/Cn-235s, 12/C-295s, 24/CH-47Ds & 48/Bell-407s!!!

[GreenBeret]

I wonder how the air logistic support would look like with around 24/C-130s, 12/Cn-235s, 12/C-295s, 24/CH-47Ds & 48/Bell-407s!!!

is that a wishlist,lol? coz i dont think PA will have that kinda airlift any time sooner.

[thunderinaction]

lol,long story...and a long discussion btwn me n my dad,lol....im a telecomm engineer from signals corps,well ex-signalian.left army on graduation from military college of signals.

so it is u and ur type of students who my father and other army personell are concerned about. do u know what great loss u r causing to the army??Do u care about the Rs. 10,000 the army provided u monthly??man u r a scum!i m sorry to say but its not me , its every PMA's colonel sayin.   

well back to the topic
i think the logistics system is very efficient.The army is getting new trucks constructing new and shorter roads.And the new choppers are meant for this purpose but they will fly low and land at a considerably safer distance from the battlefield.So no worry.

[Yahya]

but trains systems are obsolete. due to the threats from the air..

thunder i agree with your words about green barrets. i would join army now if there was less curroption int he army. favourism is what detroyes armys. every young min should be provied opertunity to grow. thats how you discover the next nepoleon, etc...

[faizan khaliq]

recently it has came to my attention that our main supply systm is via trains and then trucks to spread maal out from stations to depots. this type system (no trucks then) was used in franco prussian war in the 1870 and holds record of biggest deployment in shortest time (i think)

how evver this system can only be used to supply forward positions. and if we carry out blitzcrieg we wont be able to supply our forward troop effeciently and our logisticle system will be greatly over streched.

should pakistan move towards airdrop system?

with air drop system we will suffer less from the overstretch problem the PA can surely deploy makeshift air fields and then trucks from there. the key is in the rate which we can build the make shift airfields and the rate at which we can lay in rail lines. and also with certain delivery platforms we do not even need air fields. i give the american chinook fleet for an example.

the major problem in setting such system up will be IAF. but i am sure with some additions that problem can be countered. (i wont mention the additions on here)
so can you exclude the threat from IAF when deciding.

under our geo political compusions and the depth availiable pakistan army needs to be reorganised from slow moving mass to highly mobile and destruction oriented force with a positive aim of destruction of enemy force and rapid advance for that purpose we will need very elabourate supply system.Helicopter is an idial option capture of terratory has to be followed by immidiate replenishment and if attacking forces keep on waiting for clearance of mine field and arrival of replenishment we will take years to reach dehli no joke why not.To be honest i consider tank as 20th century weapon but with each tank brigade advancing how many helicopter we will need is to be calculated,Pakistan should try to manufacture indeginiousl heli production and each armoured brigade must have its AMMO and petrol loaded in helicopters which might be the quikest follow up needed so that enemy is not given any reaction time in other scenario same heli will be used for evacuation of casualities.It is a revolutionary idia but firstly we have to resort to developing techniques of destruction of enemy befor advance through very lethal air assault/messile/artillary attack not support attack which is to be followed by mechanised  forces what will be troops to ground ratio how the jumbling up of helicopters to be avoided

[GreenBeret]

so it is u and ur type of students who my father and other army personell are concerned about. do u know what great loss u r causing to the army??Do u care about the Rs. 10,000 the army provided u monthly??man u r a scum!i m sorry to say but its not me , its every PMA's colonel sayin.    

Shudnt go blabbing abt stuff u dont know and in the first place u shud have asked me instead of assuming.
The selection in Technical wings are made under 3 cadres.
1. Cadets who Have to Join Army after graduation
2.Cadets whor  given an option whether to join or quit,if quit pay the amount of training.
3.Cadets who cant join Army after Graduation.

I was Cadre 2, i was given an option and i decided not 2 join and paid the amount.
As for wat u and ur dad thinks,Go to hell for what i care! and next time better keep ur mouth shut abt stuff u dont know ! or ASK ! Butthead!

[GreenBeret]

but trains systems are obsolete. due to the threats from the air..

thunder i agree with your words about green barrets. i would join army now if there was less curroption int he army. favourism is what detroyes armys. every young min should be provied opertunity to grow. thats how you discover the next nepoleon, etc...

Yahya army is not corrupt...favouritism bhi nahi hay...every officer gets opportunity 2 grow...ufff....ur assumptions

[thunderinaction]

Shudnt go blabbing abt stuff u dont know and in the first place u shud have asked me instead of assuming.
The selection in Technical wings are made under 3 cadres.
1. Cadets who Have to Join Army after graduation
2.Cadets whor  given an option whether to join or quit,if quit pay the amount of training.
3.Cadets who cant join Army after Graduation.

I was Cadre 2, i was given an option and i decided not 2 join and paid the amount.
As for wat u and ur dad thinks,Go to hell for what i care! and next time better keep ur mouth shut abt stuff u dont know ! or ASK ! Butthead!

alright i m sorry.I didnt know u were a paying cadet.ur dad is a serving officer?? Friend.

[GreenBeret]

alright i m sorry.I didnt know u were a paying cadet.ur dad is a serving officer?? Friend.

He retired a couple of years back.

[Yahya]

Yahya army is not corrupt...favouritism bhi nahi hay...every officer gets opportunity 2 grow...ufff....ur assumptions

yaar i was assuming from what my friend told me. hmmmmm.
il run investigation into it...

[Yahya]

under our geo political compusions and the depth availiable pakistan army needs to be reorganised from slow moving mass to highly mobile and destruction oriented force with a positive aim of destruction of enemy force and rapid advance for that purpose we will need very elabourate supply system.Helicopter is an idial option capture of terratory has to be followed by immidiate replenishment and if attacking forces keep on waiting for clearance of mine field and arrival of replenishment we will take years to reach dehli no joke why not.To be honest i consider tank as 20th century weapon but with each tank brigade advancing how many helicopter we will need is to be calculated,Pakistan should try to manufacture indeginiousl heli production and each armoured brigade must have its AMMO and petrol loaded in helicopters which might be the quikest follow up needed so that enemy is not given any reaction time in other scenario same heli will be used for evacuation of casualities.It is a revolutionary idia but firstly we have to resort to developing techniques of destruction of enemy befor advance through very lethal air assault/messile/artillary attack not support attack which is to be followed by mechanised  forces what will be troops to ground ratio how the jumbling up of helicopters to be avoided

yup. but the problem we need to resolve at the present is air superiority. we need a far superior airforce which is more integrated into the army. (ground support etc) or buy a bomber fleet for the pak fauj aviation. with the advent of an indeginous BMS and a IADS it is becoming more and more feasable for us the integrate our force into one big weopen.  what is most intresting is that full scale war now looks very unrealistic. i doubt the two nations would go into full scale war due to the economics of the region. rather limited war is a more practical solution for the two. and due to the issue of kashmir i am more that certain that there will be another war for kashmir in the future. how ever it would be a limited one.

hence i agree with developing more heavy indigenous helis for the porpus of supply and an automated integrated logistics system.

[Method-X]

In East Timor, when the Australian Army used a 'BlitzKrieg' style of fighting, Airdrops was the main offensive, but East Timorese had no operational planes. We did it with 0 casualties and the element of suprise was on our side, we took the capital of Timor in 12 hours. But since we were using a bullpup version of the Steyr AUG, mobility was easier. As we hit the ground our supplies were being landed on the beach less than 7 km south of our current position, with it was another 1000 troops. After that night we used the Vietnamese Style of supply:
- Camoflagued Paths -
And their way of offensive:
- Capture All Food Sources -
The other attacks we came under was the Indonesian Army in West Timor, no Australians killed but a few Indonesians became casualties.

The Airdrop way of offensive is good, very good, but its only affective if there is a definant supply line and the enemy are caught by suprise.

[faizan khaliq]

yup. but the problem we need to resolve at the present is air superiority. we need a far superior airforce which is more integrated into the army. (ground support etc) or buy a bomber fleet for the pak fauj aviation. with the advent of an indeginous BMS and a IADS it is becoming more and more feasable for us the integrate our force into one big weopen.  what is most intresting is that full scale war now looks very unrealistic. i doubt the two nations would go into full scale war due to the economics of the region. rather limited war is a more practical solution for the two. and due to the issue of kashmir i am more that certain that there will be another war for kashmir in the future. how ever it would be a limited one.

hence i agree with developing more heavy indigenous helis for the porpus of supply and an automated integrated logistics system.

Air superiority will not be thier but in selected sector Paf might manage.our offensive has to be ground oriented infantry drops by helicopters and thier replenishments too it may be a short operation losting no more than few hours infantry on foot moving has hardly any thing to fear from an air craft at high altitude I am sure pakistan army is working on these things after all those4 guys are not just...............................by the way if iam not wrong indians did areial drops in few sectors of Siachin glaciar i am talking about 80,s i dont know what is the situation now

[Yahya]

hmm. but the helis would be vunrable with out  protection.

[Method-X]

Vulnerable yes, but thats why you do things at night.
Such as the "Shoot n' Scoot" method. You have pre-selected targets. Almost like Sniping, but with assault rifles and about 30 soldiers.
I will refer to another fight in Timor we had:
We had to take the city of 'Vequeque'. Our officers had devised the "Shoot n' Scoot" method would be best here. At 9:00pm we had 3 Sea King helicopters drop 50 of us into  the west side of the town. Our objective was to 'neutralise' anyone with a gun and get to the other side of town, but stay under the cover of the shadows and buildings where the Sea King would be waiting to take us back to Dili (The Capital). We split into 4 groups and each took a street to go down. We were given Hand Held GPS systems to stop us becoming seperated or lost.
This worked particularly well, because of the suprise they got and our overwhelming firepower we had only 12 wounded and 0 dead, and the whole body count was 39. Within 9 minutes we ran across the whole town and into the Sea King Helicopters and the whole operation lastest 30 minutes.

Several More of these attacks on surrounding cities rendered the surrender of 700 enemy troops.
Such as would work on enemy towns against India in say Kashmir. But since India has an airforce this method would need alot more planning and knowing where the enemy will be and why. And protecting your helicopters from ground or air fire. The best way to subdue ground fire is if they know your coming you get .50 Machine guns and fire into the surrounding area supressing or killing any enemy soldiers. Protection against Air attack is...Well I have no idea. If they do NOT know you are coming then the best idea is to shell one side of the town, the side you will be landing on, in hope they will be staying away from that area and giving you a clear landing and enough time to get the soldiers organised.

[faizan khaliq]

Vulnerable yes, but thats why you do things at night.
Such as the "Shoot n' Scoot" method. You have pre-selected targets. Almost like Sniping, but with assault rifles and about 30 soldiers.
I will refer to another fight in Timor we had:
We had to take the city of 'Vequeque'. Our officers had devised the "Shoot n' Scoot" method would be best here. At 9:00pm we had 3 Sea King helicopters drop 50 of us into  the west side of the town. Our objective was to 'neutralise' anyone with a gun and get to the other side of town, but stay under the cover of the shadows and buildings where the Sea King would be waiting to take us back to Dili (The Capital). We split into 4 groups and each took a street to go down. We were given Hand Held GPS systems to stop us becoming seperated or lost.
This worked particularly well, because of the suprise they got and our overwhelming firepower we had only 12 wounded and 0 dead, and the whole body count was 39. Within 9 minutes we ran across the whole town and into the Sea King Helicopters and the whole operation lastest 30 minutes.

Several More of these attacks on surrounding cities rendered the surrender of 700 enemy troops.
Such as would work on enemy towns against India in say Kashmir. But since India has an airforce this method would need alot more planning and knowing where the enemy will be and why. And protecting your helicopters from ground or air fire. The best way to subdue ground fire is if they know your coming you get .50 Machine guns and fire into the surrounding area supressing or killing any enemy soldiers. Protection against Air attack is...Well I have no idea. If they do NOT know you are coming then the best idea is to shell one side of the town, the side you will be landing on, in hope they will be staying away from that area and giving you a clear landing and enough time to get the soldiers organised.

that makes sense ability to retrieve the men back in helbourn assault makes it more preferable than airbourn at ni low flying helicopter by the time it is picked up and air bourn time for scrambled fighters time calculation will be very tight lot of rehersals and lot of luck will be needed but it can work even if scrambled fighter arrive little late they can resort to cap so in indo pak scenario it might be cat and mouse game between IAF and local PA HElicopters who are.
doing this operation.launching might be done but replenishment????

[Yahya]

would be good idea for now but in near future India might persue an all weather capability,

as a matter of fact i have already mentioned this before on PDF. using two forces offensive and maintenance. offensive force is special forces which gains ground while the maintenance force captures and maintains control and establishes bases. what we need to concentrate on is a large heli based transport fleet which can support the maintenance force progress further into enemy territory without delays.

the offence force softens frontline as it progresses and defence force takes over etc... and a well oiled logistics system which enables this process at lightning speed.

also to mention we should build up greater stamina so we can outlast the enemy. and replace the standard battery with duracell ultra (men).

[faizan khaliq]

What we need to develop is ability to destroy enemy forces in thier defences before assault goes in india pakistan scenario the linear pattren of defences once breached and followed by rapidly advancing force on multiple axis may not give enough reaction time to any force wether india or pakistan to reorganise the defences india is at advantage owing to depth aviliable.The concept of occupation force has definit advantage that will thawrt any attempt against the base penetration so the dangour of being cut off may be reduced.helicopter give the flexibility to quick switching of forces from auxillary to main or from main to auxillary.I remember a saying that if we try to defend everything we defend nothing efforts are to be made for greater moblity quik concentration give the punch and disperse before enemy air starts geting effective.Under present circumstances i will prefer helicopter over tank speacialy once we have to fight under enemy arial dominance because of less reaction time availiable to enemy and improvisation on how to hide the helicopters.lot need to be done  speacialy how to coordinate various elements.Under present circumstances both India and Pakistan try to match the threat perception by adding more infantry in a way both are lucky they just have to fight each other other wise a moderately equiped force may be nato or americans can finish of the war within two weaks

[Yahya]

if we take there key city's 500 miles into there territory and bring supply to 25% they will be reluctant to surrender.

but we have to take the war to them and out last there supply's. (MEN ARE ALSO REGARDED AS SUPPLY'S) and maintain an advantage over them hence we should not aim for complete anihalation that way they would be very threatened and would build up making it harder to maintain advantage....remember the pace germany built up in 30s?

to achieve greater stamina we should increase equipment quality and refrain from using the keema machine strategy. we should try increasing mortality rate as much as we can, while decreasing enemy mortality rate as much as we can. this would help offset the numerical difrences between the two nations.

but i doubt the war of such scale would be engaged. both nations would refrain from engaging due to economic reasons. but we should maintain this advantage for emergency reasons (the VHP has a large presence in india) we should engage instead in limited war to regain our north eastern territory.

[noxiouspython]

logistics one the key factors for winninga war! and if your system is not offensive your at aa loss. cause you have to be offensive if you want the war to be in the enemies terrtory! and as the saying goes best defnce is offence!

[faizan khaliq]

if we take there key city's 500 miles into there territory and bring supply to 25% they will be reluctant to surrender.

but we have to take the war to them and out last there supply's. (MEN ARE ALSO REGARDED AS SUPPLY'S) and maintain an advantage over them hence we should not aim for complete anihalation that way they would be very threatened and would build up making it harder to maintain advantage....remember the pace germany built up in 30s?

to achieve greater stamina we should increase equipment quality and refrain from using the keema machine strategy. we should try increasing mortality rate as much as we can, while decreasing enemy mortality rate as much as we can. this would help offset the numerical difrences between the two nations.

but i doubt the war of such scale would be engaged. both nations would refrain from engaging due to economic reasons. but we should maintain this advantage for emergency reasons (the VHP has a large presence in india) we should engage instead in limited war to regain our north eastern territory.

War is already on but the problem is to find the way to avoid it turning into absolute war between hindus and muslims of subcontinant.this likely to be fought at grandest scale beyond the wildest dreams of Clauswits the originator of this concept of absolute war with all our resources and with out the concepts of border this is the clash wich no body want.
Against india speed will be the key in conventional war because if you let them genrate thier sources and reserves of population it will be an other story.In case of India their army mostly people will dis agree is the center of gravity and if they are destroyed or made in effective in time and space dimentions it will be end storey for india as country most provinces might take their own control or declare inipendence but it is long discussion

[Method-X]

Yahya:
""remember the pace germany built up in 30s?""

You also forget that the first country that Germany attacked was Poland. They had Horsemen with spears, Bi-Planes and soldiers with early model .303 Enfield Rifles.  While Germany had Tanks, Fw and Bj fighters, their soldiers had the STUG 44, and the Mauser Rifle. The reason they won Poland is because the Polish were defeated in one battle. 40,000 Horsemen rode against a couple hundred tanks, not one German Casualty yet the entire Polish army destroyed, the reason they picked up the pace so much was because it was like England in the Colonial Days, they just walked in. And while the world was still deciding about what happened to Poland, the Germans used this time to gather their forces even stronger and they had already one country in their grasp and they were Conscripting Polish into their army. Now this would not work in anyway against India, because India and Pakistan are already deadlocked.

Faizan:
""that makes sense ability to retrieve the men back in helbourn assault makes it more preferable than airbourn at ni low flying helicopter by the time it is picked up and air bourn time for scrambled fighters time calculation will be very tight lot of rehersals and lot of luck will be needed but it can work even if scrambled fighter arrive little late they can resort to cap so in indo pak scenario it might be cat and mouse game between IAF and local PA HElicopters who are.
doing this operation.launching might be done but replenishment????""

Ya see, in Australia, its underpopulated and its got so much room, adnwe have every climate because of the countries vastness, so we train in every climate every condition everything. Infact we rehearse over 400 times in basic training for every single method: Shoot n' Scoot, Bomb n' Bail, Parachuting at night, Prachuting at day, City Fight (Street to street, house to house), Desert Combat, Jungle Combat, Beach landings (These ones are bastards).
So yes it takes a large amount of training, rehearsal and absolutely no margin for error whatsoever. Luck is not a part of it.

And Replentishment...I have no idea what your talking about

[Yahya]

method yaar what i am trying to say if the indians put there heads to it they will achieve. if any one puts there head to something and sets a goal they usually achieve that goal. the trick would be not to generate too much fear into indian camp as that woulkd result in greater investment into the armed forces. and it would be harder to keep up with them due to there size and muscle. we should concentrate on making a good solid industrial and engineering muscle. then we would be able to counter there progression if they get affraid.

saw documentry once about that batle lol. ha ah ah ha ha. what they smoke yaar??? i want some.

[Method-X]

I know India has more of a Muscle Power than you guys, why else do you think so many Australians are trying to join the Pakistani Auxiliary Army? I am going to join when I get the money to fly to Pakistan.

Try another tactic then, I think the Arabs invented it during the crusades. And the Vietnamese used it against the Americans very effectvly.

You set up ambushses, but these ones are alot more clever, you pick out a perfect ravine and you line each side with your soldiers, make sure they are camoflagued. (Also make sure they will be shooting DOWN not at eachother) wait till you know some sort of Indian military column is coming past, leave about 3 of the fastest runners but your runners must have nothing weighing them down, just get them to take a handgun and about 3 spare mags and a bottle of water. You leave them in clear view. (But make sure they have some sort of quick safe getaway route, this might be dificult). Then because of their excitement, the most part of the enemy soldiers will give chase ignoring commands by their officers. They run into the ravine, ya runners take up their places and then when the Indians come in, well you can figure the rest out. After that you get your boys out of there because their will be alot of return fire in that area.
But the beauty of it is that the Indian Government wont do anything about it because they don't wanna look stupid, they wont put more money into the defence and they wont do anything because it will literally make them look like idiots, every government does it!

But this has never been tested so I don't know if its very useful. Just a theory.

[faizan khaliq]

I know India has more of a Muscle Power than you guys, why else do you think so many Australians are trying to join the Pakistani Auxiliary Army? I am going to join when I get the money to fly to Pakistan.

Try another tactic then, I think the Arabs invented it during the crusades. And the Vietnamese used it against the Americans very effectvly.

You set up ambushses, but these ones are alot more clever, you pick out a perfect ravine and you line each side with your soldiers, make sure they are camoflagued. (Also make sure they will be shooting DOWN not at eachother) wait till you know some sort of Indian military column is coming past, leave about 3 of the fastest runners but your runners must have nothing weighing them down, just get them to take a handgun and about 3 spare mags and a bottle of water. You leave them in clear view. (But make sure they have some sort of quick safe getaway route, this might be dificult). Then because of their excitement, the most part of the enemy soldiers will give chase ignoring commands by their officers. They run into the ravine, ya runners take up their places and then when the Indians come in, well you can figure the rest out. After that you get your boys out of there because their will be alot of return fire in that area.
But the beauty of it is that the Indian Government wont do anything about it because they don't wanna look stupid, they wont put more money into the defence and they wont do anything because it will literally make them look like idiots, every government does it!

But this has never been tested so I don't know if its very useful. Just a theory.

Few months back few kashmiry freedom fighters entered indian camp they shot down no of soldires and one got killed two escaped but one out of  them hide himself in the barrell,  listening to the incidents Indian army corps commander a division commander and one northeren army command incharge that means to lieutanant generals and few lower rank came to inspect the sight of incident  once they arrived near the barrall where kashmiry fighter was hiding at that time guy got up and shot at rendum injuring two generals and killing one brigadier and indians as usual made lot of hue and cry without any feeling of embarrasment all over international media and secondly most of the civilians are killed by indian army just to maligne freedom fighters,Bhindian need a chance to cry infront of white man he wont care he looks stupid or not
ABOUT REPLENSHMENT MEANS IN INTENSE BATTLE AMMONITION AND CASUALITY EVACUATION ETC ARE required to be done by helicopters with cap overhead defficult

[Yahya]

trojan horse ehh. intreging.

[Method-X]

Well I can only go by my own experiance here: Replentishment, in Shoot N Scoot raids replentishment is no real hassle, we are each given 5 spare magazines, normally we'd only get through 1, and the wounded we have fold-up stretchers, so it was no worry.

I thought India and Pakistan would be "Nahhhh they didn't kill us, we uh...no-one died!"
The western world does it all the time

[Amal]

if pakistan has to give india a real punch and capture vast land then it should invest more hevily on logstics .At present Pakistans logistics is inferoir to Indias. in a big way

[faizan khaliq]

if pakistan has to give india a real punch and capture vast land then it should invest more hevily on logstics .At present Pakistans logistics is inferoir to Indias. in a big way

pakisran has no ambitions to go on offensive and most of the depot are close enough to deployment areas so in defensive battle there is no problem but keeping in view the percision guided munition and increased lethality chances of forward dumps being destroyed are very real.In future war giving static target to enemy air/ground force will be suicidal therefore battle of air superiority will decide the out come of war

[Yahya]

doent worry about the dumps they are secure.......from such weopens.

Best defence is an offence.