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[Krad]

 

 

They stay because Iran is the Top Ally for Israel in ME

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Iran top ally of Israel.

 

I know there is great propensity for all kinds of conspiracy theories....but this one takes the cake!

[warhead]

As Palestinian resistance are making gains on the table as well as isr is getting downed internationally many countries cutting ties like South American countries israel now tries to break truce with false media claims of rocket attacks started again and tries to escalate the conflict back by small scale bombings to make the situation more difficult to solve. Resistance should be patient and try not to escalate the conflict while making these gains as isr is cornered with their lies and crimes previously on the field and now onthe table.this situation is stronger than any rocket to make the Palestinian demands.

[Magnus]

http://abcnews.go.co...enship-24930378

[warhead]

If we make analysis of the current gains of Palestine compared to the previous conflicts we can come up with lessons for possible future conflicts.

This time the strategies like tunnels, atgms rockets and anti air was used to a much higher effect with claims upto about 150 isr losses, tanks and even several aircraft. mini uavs, guided rockets and high altitude guns, ir detection systems can be future steps that can deter isr from mass murder again with excuses like killing their own teens and accusing Palestine.

This time Palestine didnt play extensively on launching more rockets on cities to show isr couldnt finish this capability.this apptoach is used by isr for victim propaganda saying their civs are targeted defending themselves although they escalate the conflicts and mass kill and also as an excuse to cover up its mass killings as colatetal damage and human shields etc.Next time also as the rockets advance only military targets should be targeted by rockets to not to give them these kinds of excuses.This strategy of focusing their military targets is better now.and basic defense rights are not negotiable rockets are protection against isr artillery ,aa guns manpads and atgms are for their planes and tanks.as seen zillion of times before you need to defend by yourself un etc does not stop isr america although lately there are several words for show purposes.

Now with about 150 losses, false flag excuse of killing their own to start bombing escalate the war and war crimes seen by the non american controlled international community.they are trapped on the table and they will try whatever it takes to start the conflict again for solution to be more difficult. Palestine should stay on the table without falling to isr provacation and each time show the international community the real starters of war again and again.

[butterfly]

Palestine need to polish up their media machine. People who are educated and fluent in english with the right accent etc. Media war is even more important than guns.

[warhead]

Latest break of truce was from isr again as they saw they are losing on table they returned back to conflict. It is very probable that they mortared an empty area accusing Palestine. Also resistance groups should be careful about agents and offshoots of amr-isr proxies like isis ,alquada. It is not difficult for proxies to launch one or two short range easily made rockets or mortar with isr orders to break ceasefire.Maybe an ivestigation can bring the sides to table. But this should be accompanied with strikes until agreement to military installations like hatzor airbase that was hit previously.that would be more effective than hitting empty tel aviv buildings and isr victim propaganda afterwards.

[cheif No 1]

@cheif.....Again you're acting all naughty. You also didn't give me your feedback on how those ISIS mail order bride was(or were)?

 

 

You really have a strong relation with Iran Sounds like you took several Muta trips there. As declared by your Grand Ayaollah USA the Great Satan and he promised to burn that Satan . The same Satan was in his court yard for ten years and instead of burning this Satan they were clapping . Now when suddenly tide got changed and ISIS start pushing Shia's in Iraq the send soldiers to protect them. So Iranian only humans are Shia. On teh similar note Ahmedi Nijad burnt Isreal 10+ times . 

 

You must grow up and analyze thing rationally. Since the revolution in Iran who got benefited the most?? Israel is still there , but Muslim Unity which were gathering pace all gone. 

[Metanoia]

 

 

You really have a strong relation with Iran Sounds like you took several Muta trips there. As declared by your Grand Ayaollah USA the Great Satan and he promised to burn that Satan . The same Satan was in his court yard for ten years and instead of burning this Satan they were clapping . Now when suddenly tide got changed and ISIS start pushing Shia's in Iraq the send soldiers to protect them. So Iranian only humans are Shia. On teh similar note Ahmedi Nijad burnt Isreal 10+ times . 

 

You must grow up and analyze thing rationally. Since the revolution in Iran who got benefited the most?? Israel is still there , but Muslim Unity which were gathering pace all gone. 

 

 

Now you're just hurting my feelings...

On your behest I opened up my own Mutah Bureau...therefore I don't need to go to Iran anymore. Although to be honest I do miss Grand Ayatollah, he is a fun guy to be honest...you just have to get to know him better. 

Big Satan ko chordo yaar....who wants to talk about him anyways....eat some McDonald and enjoy some Starbucks.

[Metanoia]

[butterfly]

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There are no civilians in israel. They all get military training. All targets

[Hulegu]

 

You must grow up and analyze thing rationally. Since the revolution in Iran who got benefited the most?? Israel is still there , but Muslim Unity which were gathering pace all gone. 

 

What Muslim-Unity are you talking about? Refresh my memory please. 

 

Iran has relations, good relations, with Islamic movements from Bosnia all the way to Indonesia and most are Sunnis. Most importantly it has the closest relationship to Palestinian movements such as Islamic Jihad, Hamas, or PLF. Can you name one Sunni country that has close and effective relations with those groups? If not, then know that Iran is not the problem in Muslim-Unity but the puppet regimes that are against it.

 

That said, Islamic unity which Iran has and is working so hard is not for the sake of the Islamic world. I am very suspicious of Iran on this issue. But its for its own national interests. They have however been smart in aligning the interests of Islamic world with their own national interests.

[kmc]

Israel destroys 13-storey building in Gaza air strike

http://in.reuters.co...N0GO06S20140824

[warhead]

http://www.scmp.com/...dor-tells-china

 

israel possibly now tries making the background and silence the international voices for a larger attack to devastate gaza. 

 

we need to make some self criticism if we dont act according to certain universal principles and act on local emotional judgements then it is

easy for the enemy to at least show as the situation is too complicated for others to interfere.

 

From the revival of some old forgotten empire dream of some resulting in the current 

immoral and illogical disasters in Syria and Iraq that can eventually engulf the dreamers,

to other issues we need to ask ourselves what we are doing wrong. 

 

The problem with us in general is that many times instead of directing to Allah by using our intelligence

through universal morality of Quran we sometimes think that after we believe everything is over

bypassing intelligence and moral guidelines and use our emotions like revenge, anger etc to guide us and interpret life and 

the results are generally the mistakes that brought us to the current condition. 

 

The fighters are fighting well and clean taking out the enemy with intelligent tactics like tunnels.

although the enemy loss number is low the forces focused solely on enemy military and not their civilians.

this combined with isr crimes against palestinians started tying israels hands and isolating it worldwide striking another

much stronger blow.many countries cut their relations with israel which is a much stronger blow than killing their soldiers.

 

However after the last break of ceasefire the revenge for isr killing of Hamas commanders the unrestricted 

rocket attacks killed an israeli child that is now used by israel to gain support for its assault. 

ofcourse this cant be compared with isr crimes but this does not justify it either. 

 

now isr is cooking up for a final onslaught on gaza and by using these issues like killing of a child and other civilians cases to silence

international community.

 

It feels difficult but in future rocket attacks at least hamas should issue warning for 

a sufficient time before for civlians at those locations to shelter. simply pounding military bases even no losses inflicted

on the enemy is much better than pounding a civilian city and killing a few civilians and worse a kid there.

 

Also if the kidnap of isr teens case seems to be connected to some factions within Hamas it should be announced that after an independant inquiry if found guilty Hamas should separate itself from those factions.

 

Issues like these can never again be allowed to gain legitimacy worldwide.

if hamas wants the voice of Palestine to continue to be heard universally not just on its own backyard but the entire world

no excuses should be given to isr.

[clutch]

The Difference Between Children

It is human that the killing of an Israeli boy, a child of ours, would arouse greater identification than the death of some other child. What is incomprehensible is the Israeli response to the killing of their children.

By Gideon Levy
Palestinian mourners cry at Gaza City's al-Shifa hospital after an playground explosion.

Palestinian mourners cry at Gaza City's al-Shifa hospital after an explosion killed at least seven children in a public playgrou... / Photo by AFP
August 24, 2014 "ICH" - "Haaretz" - After the first child, nobody batted an eye; after the 50th not even a slight tremor was felt in a planes wing; after the 100th, they stopped counting; after the 200th, they blamed Hamas. After the 300th child they blamed the parents. After the 400th child, they invented excuses; after (the first) 478 children nobody cares.

Then came our first child and Israel went into shock. And indeed, the heart weeps at the picture of 4-year-old Daniel Tragerman, killed Friday evening in his home in Shaar Hanegev. A beautiful child, who once had his picture taken in an Argentinean soccer team shirt, blue and white, number 10. And whose heart would not be broken at the sight of this photo, and who would not weep at how he was criminally killed. Hey Leo Messi, look at that boy, a Facebook post read, you were his hero.

Suddenly death has a face and dreamy blue eyes and light hair. A tiny body that will never grow. Suddenly the death of a little boy has meaning, suddenly it is shocking. It is human, understandable and moving. It is also human that the killing of an Israeli boy, a child of ours, would arouse greater identification than the death of some other child. What is incomprehensible is the Israeli response to the killing of their children.

In a world where there is some good, children would be left out of the cruel game called war. In a world where there is some good, it would be impossible to understand the total, almost monstrous unfeelingness in the face of the killing of hundreds of children not ours, but by us. Imagine them standing in a row: 478 children, in a graduating class of death. Imagine them wearing Messi shirts some of those children wore them once too, before they died; they also admired him, just like our Daniel from a kibbutz. But nobody looks at them; their faces are not seen, no one is shocked at their deaths. No one writes about them: Hey Messi, look at that boy. Hey, Israel, look at their children.

An iron wall of denial and inhumanness protects the Israelis from the shameful work of their hands in Gaza. And indeed, these numbers are hard to digest. Of the hundreds of men killed one could say that they were involved; of the hundreds of women that they were human shields. As for a small number of children, one could claim that the most moral army in the world did not intend it. But what shall we say about almost 500 children killed? That the Israel Defense Forces did not intend it, 478 times? That Hamas hid behind all of them? That this legitimized killing them?

Hamas might have hidden behind some of those children but now Israel is hiding behind Daniel Tragerman. His fate is already being used to cover all of the sins of the IDF in Gaza.

The radio yesterday already talked about murder. The prime minister already called the killing terror, while hundreds of Gazas children in their new graves are not victims of murder or terror. Israel had to kill them. And after all, who are Fadi and Ali and Islaam and Razek, Mahmoud, Ahmed and Hamoudi in the face of our one and only Daniel.

We must admit the truth: Palestinian children in Israel are considered like insects. This is a horrific statement, but there is no other way to describe the mood in Israel in the summer of 2014. When for six weeks hundreds of children are destroyed; their bodies buried in rubble, piling up on morgues, sometimes even in vegetable refrigeration rooms for lack of other space; when their horrified parents carry the bodies of their toddlers as a matter of course; their funerals coming and going, 478 times even the most unfeeling of Israelis would not allow themselves to be so uncaring.

Something here has to rise up and scream: Enough. All the excuses and all the explanations will not help there is no such thing as a child that is allowed to be killed and a child that is not. There are only children killed for nothing, hundreds of children whose fate touches no one in Israel, and one child, just one, around whose death the people unite in mourning.



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[warhead]

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Lets hope and pray this would not be broken and end the suffering. 

 

From the last experiences certain precautions need to be taken by IJ Hamas and related resistance groups.

 

All groups need to control the rockets and ensure that no firing would take place. If possible rockets on the hands of smaller groups should be collected in a central group that can be controlled more easily(This should be made covertly if possible israeli uavs can detect it for a future strike so if an alternate control structure is found this can be applied as well like continious reporting back to Hamas hq.). After all the smaller groups have low range low effect rockets that have no strategic value and a total liability so even recycling the rockets on hands of small groups that are hard to control is an option. A mechanical password type safety mechanism can be made for future rockets that disables its firing mechanism for future variants to ensure ceasefires wont be broken even a rocket is stolen by an enemy agent etc.

 

There can be  offshoots of isis alquada etc. in Gaza or even rouge elements within Hamas IJ etc. although low in number it is not difficult to get a home made rocket or mortar nearby to break the ceasefire. The palestinian forces should indicate that they are not responsible for third party attacks but if information is provided they will take action against these as well as make inquiries to find and punish the responsibles. so this should never be made a war cause by israel in future.

 

Kidnappings for whatever cause like releasing the prisoners etc. are unnaceptable. If an element is accused of kidnapping in future then local government of Palestine will be responsible to find judge and give the necessary punishment. You cannot attack another country as a collective punishment when some criminal there commits an attack inside your country. This again should not be used again for a cause of war.

 

The rafah crossing should be kept open for Palestinians. Egypt should be cooperative to ensure that the prime cause of any future conflict that is isolation of Palestinians should not be allowed for an enduring truce.

 

Countries need armies to defend themselves and as seen enough for decades like the passivity of un and massive casualties of Palestine. the locals have the right to defend themselves especially against the child killer criminal israel so disarmement is not an option. That being said Hamas and related groups can guarantee that they wont start a future conflict by firing rockets or a similar action for whatever cause like release of prisoners etc.

[warhead]

Also now israel delays the border openings from its side for constructive materials etc to pass.

 

This is to provoke hamas to start the rockets and then say again that they break the ceasefire.

 

yes they provoke but if hamas starts rocket strikes with whatever cause the borders prisoners etc. even it is legitimate concern it has of no use and desctructive for palestinians and it has no strategic or practical value at all. starter of violence should never again be hamas for whatever cause.

 

The better way for these moves is to use your mouth not your trigger and say over and over again that israel is not complying with the agreemnets this would tie them up more internationally and hurt them more. just wait a bit longer instead of pulling the useless trigger and they will be forced to open complying with the agreements. Egypt side will probably open for passing but if not this kind of pressure can also be used there as well.

 

hamas and ij can use their relations through Iran to create diplomatic pressure if sides like egypt or israel dont comply with the agreements mainly the border openings for Palestinian needs. With time it will work and this is the only effective way not rockets.

[butterfly]

This is where hams needs to launch a media campaign against Israel.

[Pak-Eye]

Worth watching ... plain truth in plain English

 

[safdar]

How many of PDF members remember the 2006 cconflict where hizballah ATMs took out a whole column of merkava4 MBTs?

Since that time Yidrial hasn't had the guts to even look at Lebanon again!

[butterfly]

How many of PDF members remember the 2006 cconflict where hizballah ATMs took out a whole column of merkava4 MBTs?
Since that time Yidrial hasn't had the guts to even look at Lebanon again!

This is why hamas needs Kornet ATGM and large calibre sniper rifles. Israel's weakness in casualties. They also need basic gps on those rockets. Once they start hitting Israel ports, airports, power plants TV stations then and only then the sons of gas chambers will realise that peace is the only way. Iron dome only intercepted a fraction of the rockets. At a $100000 a pop to take out a $300 rocket is a bit of an overkill.