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[Best of the Best]

saad at this moment JF-17 has 7 harddpoints to host weapons

[Dream Guy]

another of my childish question can someone plz tell me what are hardpoints
and how many does jf-17 has compared to lca

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Saad bit more explanation hard points are the area, location or points on the plane which provides the facility to the aircraft to put and fire its wapons from that point or location. The number of hard ponits provide the facility to carry numbers and variety of the wapons. Hard point are also used to carry external fuel tanks for the air craft.
Jf 17 has 7 hard points 3 under each wing and one under fuselage.
Lca has also 7 hard points 3 under each wing and one under fuselage.

So in case of Hard points Jf 17 and LCA are the same.

[Stable]

is flanker is as good as it is said or it is only goo din papers.

it cant be better than Eagle, Falcon, or Rafale.

[viper007]

is flanker is as good as it is said or it is only goo din papers.

it cant be  better than Eagle, Falcon, or Rafale.

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Back it up with claims of logical stuff. Show me where the Flanker lacks and Eagle or Falcon wins. And make the version of the aircrafts clear.

VIPER

[lightning]

Well flankers it would seem are better than MiG-29's, 2 flankers claimed 2 MiG-29s inthe ethiopian/eritrean conflict.
It all depends on pilot skill and wepaonry used.

[cool feroze]

even though we are looking for f-16 or gripen don t u think su-30 mki are much better than both of them. even rafale would be defeated by mki

[Best of the Best]

even though we are looking for f-16 or gripen don t u think su-30 mki are much better than both of them. even rafale would be defeated by mki

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cool feroze SU-30MKi is an excellent plane indeed but its nowhere near SU-37 super flanker and to answer your question Rafale can tear SU0-30mki into pieces mki's dont even come any where close to Rafales in other words Rafale's is 100 times better than SU-30mki's....

[tallyho]

I mean ..Country Vs country or team vs team....As there r many counries participating

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YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THE RESULTS BUT POST-EXERCISE REPORTS WILL BE PREPARED AND ANYLISED & THOSE WHO NEED TO, WILL KNOW THE RESULTS. thse exercises are NOT conducted to decide winners but to learn from eachother & exchange ideas. THEY ARE CONDUCTED ONLY BETWEEN FRIENDLY COUNTRIES.

[lightning]

even though we are looking for f-16 or gripen don t u think su-30 mki are much better than both of them. even rafale would be defeated by mki

Feroze, that is the typical indian defence junkie attitude.

Rafale could be defeated by the MKI, anythings possible, but the rafale would have an easier time disposing of the Mki than the MKi would have disposing of the Rafale.

Why?

Simple, the MKI has a huge IR and RCS.

It can be picked up relaitvely easily by IRST's, long range radars etc..

The rafale has some low observability features, like the Rafale D (d for discret or quiet).

The Rafale has superior avionics, and the SPECTRA EW suite is amongst the best in the world.

It consists of decoys, laser warning, electromagnetic detection, offensive and defensive jamming and missile warnings.

The Rafale can carry like 9 tons of weaponry on 14 hardpoints, and can carry most of the french air forces weapons.

[FASAL XJ]

do u think PAF did well in that Anglo-US exercise?

[lightning]

What was the name of the exercise?

[Saqr]

Anatolian Eagle.

Apprently, the PAF said they got scores above expectations.

[cool feroze]

mr lightning first of all i am not an indian! so their is no point of having a junkie indian attitude. i am a Pakistani this is ur first mistake secondly i just asked "best of best" whether mki is better than rafale because many indians in the forum were making claims. to name a few "tajmahal" rahul and ajay. you thought thati am in favour of mki. i would like to see mki defeated the same way u would want. so this is ur second mistake. third mistake is by those indians who think mki is f-22 . so u see different people have different views. nobody is correct. neither we pakis who seem to under estimate what indians have nor those indians who think they are the best. they cant even feed hungry millions in their contrii so i will find it out which jet is the best till then goodbye and never play with sentiments of a true patriot Pakistani . instead of hurting our foes we pakis end up hurting ourselves calling their own men kafirs.

[Best of the Best]

mr lightning first of all i am not an indian! so their is no point of having a junkie  indian attitude. i am a Pakistani   this is ur first mistake secondly i just asked "best of best" whether mki is better than rafale because many indians in the forum were making claims. to name a few "tajmahal" rahul and ajay. you thought thati am in favour of mki. i would like to see mki defeated the same way u would want. so this is ur second mistake. third mistake is by those indians who think mki is f-22 . so u see different people have different views. nobody is correct. neither we pakis who seem to under estimate what indians have nor those indians who think they are the best. they cant even feed hungry millions in their contrii so i will find it out which jet is the best till then goodbye and never play with sentiments of a true patriot Pakistani . instead of hurting our foes we pakis end up hurting ourselves calling their own men kafirs.

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cool feroze i dont remember saying any thing wrong or offensive to you i simply answered your question.

cool feroze SU-30MKi is an excellent plane indeed but its nowhere near SU-37 super flanker and to answer your question Rafale can tear SU0-30mki into pieces mki's dont even come any where close to Rafales in other words Rafale's is 100 times better than SU-30mki's....

[cool feroze]

best of best i replied to to the post by [COLOR=red]lightning. he called my attitude junkie. what angered me was he called me an indian. any way i had found out certain facts about mki. let us see we all know f-22 and ef are better than rafale and mki.in simulations a research in britain and germany known as dera study found out that in dogfight against su-35,which is slightly inferior to mki and su-37 1 f-22 was shot down against 10 su-35 shot down that means kill ratio was in favour of f-22 by 10:1 similarly against su-35 kill ratios of EF andRAFALE WAS 4.5:1 AND 1:1. REFERANCEMy Webpage[URL=http://www.campusprogram.com/referance/en/wikinedia/e/eu/eurofighter_typhoon.html] THIS PROMPED ME TO ASK U WHETHER MKI CAN DEFEAT RAFALE OR NOT COS ACCORDING TO THIS STUDY RAFALE IN DOGFIGHT EQUALS SU-35. NOW LET US SEE SU37 DIFFERS FROM SU-35,IN HAVING ADVANCED BARS RADAR ,AL-31 FP THRUST VECTORING TURBOFANS WITH 2 AXIS STABILTY<THOUGH PRODUCTION VERSIONS WILL HAVE THE SAME POWERPLANT WITH 3 AXES STABILITY. AND A COCKPIT WITH FRENCH THALES SEXTANT DISPLAYS.[SIZE=7][SIZE=14] SU -30 MKI HAS ALL THOSE CHARACTERS OF SU-37 AND TO ADD TO THEM MKI HS ISRAELI COUNTERMEASURES TO BE CONTINUED

[cool feroze]

THE SAME RADAR WARNING RECEIVERS AS LCA AND LARGE NO OF IMPROVEMENNTS OVER SU-37 AS WELL. THE BARS RADAR HAS A RANGE OF OVER 350 KM FOR SHIPS AND AROUND 160-200 FOR F-16 LIKE PLANE. RAFALE HAS GREATER RCS THAN F-16 IT WILL BE DETECTED FROM BY MKI COMPARED TO ONLY 140KM OF RAFALE FOR MKI MKI HAS AN ADVANCED COCKIT NOT AS ADVANCED AS RAFALE. THE SU-30MK CONVERTED TO MKI WILL HAVE FEW OLD FASHIONED DISPLAYS AS STANDBYS BUT NEW ONES MADE IN INDIA UNDER LICENCE WILL HAVE LCA TYPE CCKPIT DO SEE THE LCA COCKPIT My Webpage DO CHECK OUT WWW.ACIG.ORG then go to acig journal where u will find about aero india air show u will find out in the outdoor displays section that mki s are givrn ram {radar absorbent coating to decrease radar cross sections which is huge for any flanker version]. for knowing more about mki go to My Webpage and also[URL=http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/interview-fedorov1.html ] where sukhoi boss alexei fedorov claims mki to be the best jet much better than su-30 mk and mkk versions that already exist in india and china. on these assumptions i asked u whether mki is better than rafale. if that is thecase then paf should buy EF RATHER THAN RAFALE GRIPEN F-16 OR J-10

[lightning]

Feroze, i didnt refer to you, i was referring to the thought that MKI and LCA are better than jets like the Rafale etc without providing any facts supporting it.

Sorry if i offended you feroze, no hard feelings?

[cool feroze]

lightning its all right .i just wanted to put some light to the indian capabilities thereby asserting a need for a jet like EF OR RAFALE for paf rather than gripen j-10 or f-16

[cool feroze]

lightning its all right .i just wanted to put some light to the indian capabilities thereby asserting a need for a jet like EF OR RAFALE for paf rather than gripen j-10 or f-16 #### rules

[Best of the Best]

lightning its all right .i just wanted to put some light to the indian capabilities thereby asserting a need for a jet  like EF OR  RAFALE for paf rather than gripen  j-10 or f-16       #### rules

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cool feroze we dont have the money to buy Rafles OR EF-2000 secondly we havent been offered these aircrafts by any country and plz dude dont underestimate J-10's they are said to be a threat to the Super hornets..

[lightning]

J-10s will almost certainly come later on, a western jet is preferred by the PAF.

The gripen would be good, later blk's of the F-16 would be good too.

Remember, a plane is only a delivery platform, its the armament that does the damage.

[dawood]

how much do air to air missiles cost?
in particular the sd 10?

[_saad_]

how many harpoints does j-10 and f-16 has?

[_saad_]

somebody answer my question!!!

[FASAL XJ]

somebody answer my question!!!

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STFU

[superultra_jetfighter]

somebody answer my question!!!

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Go research it your self you lazy guy.

[PafAce01]

Hey Viper!
Can you tell me about the results of "Anatolian Eagle,2004" fom any national or international source. I am very anxious to know about them.

[starfighter104]

i have a new qustion about Fc-1...

i know FC-1 uses the RD-93 engin which are also used in MIG-29s then the mig-29 has the capability to go 90 degree up and then all of a sudden comes down while the nose fases up...

so with same engines can FC-1 do the same thing like the mig-29 can do.....?

[imad afridi]

whats a cobra maneuvre and how is it performed..

[thouse]

J-10s will almost certainly come later on, a western jet is preferred by the PAF.

The gripen would be good, later blk's of the F-16 would be good too.

Remember, a plane is only a delivery platform, its the armament that does the damage.

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A plane is a lot more than just a delivery platform. otherwise the PLAAF would have been happy with the Finback which can fire the SD-10 and house the same radar.

[lightning]

The WVR arena will come in time too. It is almost inevitable, so manouvrebility is needed too.

[complicated]

i have a question ...
what is g
i mean when we say f-16 can attain 9g's
fc-1 can attain 8g's
n aim-120 can attain 100g's
i think its related to maneuverable. if it is then how does it work

[_saad_]

faisalxj
if you can't or don't want to answer my question keep you mouth shut.
you just start swear for no reason so plz mind ur language
superultrajet
i thought this was a question forum

[Tiberia]

does anybody has a video of a flanker doing that wild stuff viper was talking about

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Here is an amazing vedio of Su-35 i am amazed to see what this baby can realy do.
It shows the extremes of engineering that can be achieved realy impressed man realy....
And remerber its 11.85MBs so takes a hell of 40 mins on a 56k dialup...And use Dap to download realy helps...
Try downloading it with a cable connection if possible.
I am sure you will not be disappointed amazing vedio and amazing pic quality with coool back ground music...
http://bemil.chosun.... link/SU-35.wmv

or click here
Su-35
go for it

[Malikman]

Here is an amazing vedio of Su-35 i am amazed to see what this baby can realy do.
It shows the extremes of engineering that can be achieved realy impressed man realy....
And remerber its 11.85MBs so takes a hell of 40 mins on a 56k dialup...And use Dap to download realy helps...
Try downloading it with a cable connection if possible.
I am sure you will not be disappointed amazing vedio and amazing pic quality with coool back ground music...
http://bemil.chosun.... link/SU-35.wmv

or click here
Su-35
go for it

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long? tell me about it! its been downloading for the last 30 mins and i have broadband!

[complicated]

i have a question ...
what is g
i mean when we say f-16 can attain 9g's
fc-1 can attain 8g's
n aim-120 can attain 100g's
i think its related to maneuverable. if it is then how does it work

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anyone

[viper007]

i have a new qustion about Fc-1...

i know FC-1 uses the RD-93 engin which are also used in MIG-29s then the mig-29 has the capability to go 90 degree up and then all of a sudden comes down while the nose fases up...

so with same engines can FC-1 do the same thing like the mig-29 can do.....?

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Engine backflow is a problem while performing the high-alpha pass maneuver, but it is not the only problem. U got to have the aerodynamic stability going ur way which is not the case with FC-1 as it is an unstable design using FBW for stability. F/A-18A/B/C/D can match the MiG-29 in this regard but it has engine trouble.

Got to have the best of both worlds.

VIPER

[PakShaheen]

Hey Viper!
Can you tell me about the results of "Anatolian Eagle,2004" fom any national or international source. I am very anxious to know about them.

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I am also want to know the results of these exercises.Any body Please help us.
Thanx in advance.

[PafAce01]

Guyz!
It is clear to all of us that the performance of the radars of PAF ROSE Mirages is better than Pakistani F-16's radar. Can anybody tell me what is the detection ranges of our Mirages' radar and our F-16's radar? Thanks in advance.

[Tiberia]

long? tell me about it! its been downloading for the last 30 mins and i have broadband!

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Yep got it or not...