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[pegasus]

USAM for the record the Russian havnt spiced up anything about the MKI , This has been acknlodged by AFM,ACIG and even the US AIRFORCE who recently ran combat simulations against the MKI.

and

"350 KM search range may be for jumbo jets and 200 KM tracking range for fighter size target is bullshit i repeat bullshit."

Believe it or not it is true. That is why the MKI is called a near 5th generation "AIR DOMINANCE FIGHTER" . ( only the F-22 is called that apart from the MKI). It is by far the best radar to come out of Russia and on numourus test has been shown to have amazing capability. The MKI radar is an Advanced varient of the radar that went inot the MIg1.42 MFI .

[thunderinaction]

USAM for the record the Russian havnt spiced up anything about the MKI , This has been acknlodged by AFM,ACIG and even the US AIRFORCE who recently ran combat simulations against the MKI.

and

"350 KM search range may be for jumbo jets and 200 KM tracking range for fighter size target is bullshit i repeat bullshit."

Believe it or not it is true. That is why the MKI is called a near 5th generation "AIR DOMINANCE FIGHTER" . ( only the F-22 is called that apart from the MKI). It is by far the best radar to come out of Russia and on numourus test has been shown to have amazing capability. The MKI radar is an Advanced varient of the radar that went inot the MIg1.42 MFI .

Oh Bhai! Rafale also comes close to 5th gen. and Mirage 2000-9 is younger brother of Rafale.

[thunderinaction]

It is very depressing that Pakistan's defence budget is only 2+ billion usd, when India's budget is around 13+ billion usd. How do we close this gap. I also read that 45% of our budget goes into debt payment. And 17% on govt spending. Who is responsible for this state in our economy. We had the best economy during the 80s I guess. Are there plans to do some defence export to increase our defence spending. We need to have a budget to 4-5 billion. If one plane costs 55 million to counter India, Given the current 30 % of the defence budget used for PAF and on that only 30% is used on weapons purchase we cant even buy 4 planes (around 180 mil ) a year. We need to add 10-15 planes a year. So think of a anything in that cost range that can counter IAF planes.

BUT the AF right now has $2.5 bn in hand and buying mirages is piece of cake.

[pakibath]

BUT the AF right now has $2.5 bn in hand and buying mirages is piece of cake.

Do you have any link about this. If that is the case why are our leaders silent. Can they buy these toys today. Or probably there is a secret deal going on and they are acting as though there is nothing. That will be a good strategy given our current international pressure.

[WINGZ]

CHECK THIS OUT BOYS, IM BECOMING A MIRAGE FAN NOW, THIS PLANE DOES HAVE SOME ASS KICKING EQUIPMENT, I DONT KNOW EXACTLY IF IT IS OR IS NOT SUPERIOR THEN THE SU-30 THAT INDIA HAS , BUT I KNOW IT WILL GIVE HELL TO IT. A GOOD CHOICE FOR Pakistan!! SHUD THEY FEEL THE NEED.....
(FOLLOW THE LINK)

http://www.avionicss...rage_Emirat.htm

[Iranian Warrior]

thanks for the link, very interesting.

[hafiz_n2003]

thanks for the link, very interesting.

why mirage is good than FC1 and thundar
:megalol :hitwall :jumpgreen:

[troung]

"why mirage is good than FC1 and thundar"

Are you asking why is it better?

Well it's faster, planned to be longer ranged, planned to have superior weapons in air combat and strike, planned to have a better combat load, it will have a better radar. The list goes on and on..........

[hafiz_n2003]

"why mirage is good than FC1 and thundar"

Are you asking why is it better?

Well it's faster, planned to be longer ranged, planned to have superior weapons in air combat and strike, planned to have a better combat load, it will have a better radar. The list goes on and on..........

thank you. why FC1 not having the same.
i want to change Pakistan rulz to Pakistan pilot at bottom of my messsage how help me please
:x

[troung]

"thank you. why FC1 not having the same."

It's a lower tech cheaper export fighter for nations not gifted with weath........

[rafale]

If any one of you believes that RAFALE tech is better then Su 30MKI then you guys can think that Mirage 2009 which have same tech so in tech field MIRAGE 2009 may win.


350 KM search range may be for jumbo jets and 200 KM tracking range for fighter size target is bullshit i repeat bullshit. Tracking range of RDY 2 and Su 30MKI radar are very close. In cruise missiles Mirage 2009 with latest EU cruise missiles is better then russian once. IRST after you lock on you have to fire then missiles thus turn on radar and give R 77 guiadance till its seeker is turn on and that will be light all ECM on RAFALE or Mirage 2009. But MICA IR can give you that kind of kill without turning on radar. SU 30MKI manueverbility is good but even F 22 is in danger when near aircraft like F 7 with high boresight missiles then SU 30 MKI near MIRAGE 2009. Russians always spice up the specifications but very very few live up to their expitations.


Mirage 2009 is pak air space aginast Su 30MKI will toast the SU 30MKI most of the time.

do u know one thing that mirage 2000-9 has lessr ange then rafale infect very less its accelaration is less [which would count in close combet]main the deffrence between refale eveonics is that no version is carring ir search and trak even mirage2000-9 altou it is caalled minr rafale but use some of avionics nott all it is not possble to fit avioncs of twin engined rafale[very big when compared with mirage200-9] avionecs all the avionics on it .no one can put f-15 aviononics on f-16.
ok
if u think that mirage 2000-9 has better ew suit but it would matter in bvr but what when it comes to close combet su-300mkki is most monuvaring fighter with trust vecoring and foward canerds so u will loss in cloosee combet even our piolits are nothing aarcher has bore sight of 65 digrees and matra magic hass 35 digrees of bore sight.nnoting can match su=30s manuverabilty exept f-22.refale comes cloose only with little diffrence.reefales aceelarion trust to weight ratio and manuveravilty much much greater then mirage 200-9can do the job in close combet.mmirage2000 will be alright in brv but in close combet its domed.one thing paf is buying the fighter which could last 25 years mirage 200-9 does not has such engine life and upgrade opiitonit totaly packed with new ew suit even no room for a ir seearch and track so it will be impossilbe to upgrade it in order to meet requirment for future.refale hass 25 years of enginee life andupgrade options and if Pakistan buy mirage 200-9 no fighter would be able to counter su-300mki in close combet.

[hafiz_n2003]

"thank you. why FC1 not having the same."

It's a lower tech cheaper export fighter for nations not gifted with weath........

Pakistan is rich money contry and buy f16 why buy FC1
:Dbanana :pkflg) :jumpgreen: :)Clp :hitwall

[rafale]

Do you have any link about this. If that is the case why are our leaders silent. Can they buy these toys today. Or probably there is a secret deal going on and they are acting as though there is nothing. That will be a good strategy given our current international pressure.

because it needs more money mirage 2009 is not cable to fighte with mki not in cloose combet mony to buy more advance fighter to counter mki such as refale not even f-15 f/a-18 can mactch su -30 mki in close combet

this is som think about su-30 in foreigh sights



The Flanker has twice the combat radius of the F/A-18A+, higher energy manoeuvrability, higher sustained and instantaneous turn rate, a longer ranging radar and substantially larger missile load. Advanced variants such as the Su-30MKI/Su-35/37 have unsurpassed manoeuvre performance, especially in the demanding high AoA, high G regime of flight


this is somthing from my knowledge


do u know one thing that mirage 2000-9 has lessr ange then rafale infect very less its accelaration is less [which would count in close combet]main the deffrence between refale eveonics is that no version is carring ir search and trak even mirage2000-9 altou it is caalled minr rafale but use some of avionics nott all it is not possble to fit avioncs of twin engined rafale[very big when compared with mirage200-9] avionecs all the avionics on it .no one can put f-15 aviononics on f-16.
ok
if u think that mirage 2000-9 has better ew suit but it would matter in bvr but what when it comes to close combet su-300mkki is most monuvaring fighter with trust vecoring and foward canerds so u will loss in cloosee combet even our piolits are nothing aarcher has bore sight of 65 digrees and matra magic hass 35 digrees of bore sight.nnoting can match su=30s manuverabilty exept f-22.refale comes cloose only with little diffrence.reefales aceelarion trust to weight ratio and manuveravilty much much greater then mirage 200-9can do the job in close combet.mmirage2000 will be alright in brv but in close combet its domed.one thing paf is buying the fighter which could last 25 years mirage 200-9 does not has such engine life and upgrade opiitonit totaly packed with new ew suit even no room for a ir seearch and track so it will be impossilbe to upgrade it in order to meet requirment for future.refale hass 25 years of enginee life andupgrade options and if Pakistan buy mirage 200-9 no fighter would be able to counter su-300mki in close combet.


my aim of posting this again and again is plllzzzzzzzzzzzz mirage 200-9 in nothing in close combet to su-30mki

[hafiz_n2003]

because it needs more money mirage 2009 is not cable to fighte with mki not in cloose combet read this plzzzzzzzzzmore mony to buy more advance fighter to counter mki such as refale not even f-15 f/a-18 this is som think about su-30 in foreigh sights


The Flanker has twice the combat radius of the F/A-18A+, higher energy manoeuvrability, higher sustained and instantaneous turn rate, a longer ranging radar and substantially larger missile load. Advanced variants such as the Su-30MKI/Su-35/37 have unsurpassed manoeuvre performance, especially in the demanding high AoA, high G regime of flight


this is somthing from my knowledge


do u know one thing that mirage 2000-9 has lessr ange then rafale infect very less its accelaration is less [which would count in close combet]main the deffrence between refale eveonics is that no version is carring ir search and trak even mirage2000-9 altou it is caalled minr rafale but use some of avionics nott all it is not possble to fit avioncs of twin engined rafale[very big when compared with mirage200-9] avionecs all the avionics on it .no one can put f-15 aviononics on f-16.
ok
if u think that mirage 2000-9 has better ew suit but it would matter in bvr but what when it comes to close combet su-300mkki is most monuvaring fighter with trust vecoring and foward canerds so u will loss in cloosee combet even our piolits are nothing aarcher has bore sight of 65 digrees and matra magic hass 35 digrees of bore sight.nnoting can match su=30s manuverabilty exept f-22.refale comes cloose only with little diffrence.reefales aceelarion trust to weight ratio and manuveravilty much much greater then mirage 200-9can do the job in close combet.mmirage2000 will be alright in brv but in close combet its domed.one thing paf is buying the fighter which could last 25 years mirage 200-9 does not has such engine life and upgrade opiitonit totaly packed with new ew suit even no room for a ir seearch and track so it will be impossilbe to upgrade it in order to meet requirment for future.refale hass 25 years of enginee life andupgrade options and if Pakistan buy mirage 200-9 no fighter would be able to counter su-300mki in close combet.


my aim of posting this again and again is plllzzzzzzzzzzzz mirage 200-9 in nothing in close combet to su-30mki

:Dbanana :megalol :ot< :rt<< :wst) :pkflg) :jumpgreen: :Dbanana

[Squadron Leader]

Pakistan is rich money contry and buy f16 why buy FC1

Ok kid....I'm not gonna yell at you, considering your new to this Defence Forum.

1) No one said that Pakistan's a rich country, though it does have the potential to be rich if it didn't have currupt leaders.

2) Pakistan's under an American Embargo, restraining it to get F-16s from the U.S, this is due to Pakistan's NUKES.

3) The JF-17/FC-1 is the PAF's only hope to survive, and it's parimount that it'll enter service.

4) The PAF's trying to acquire a new fighter to replace it's F-16s, the current option is the French made Mirage 2000-5.

[hafiz_n2003]

Pakistan is rich money contry and buy f16 why buy FC1

Ok kid....I'm not gonna yell at you, considering your new to this Defence Forum.

1) No one said that Pakistan's a rich country, though it does have the potential to be rich if it didn't have currupt leaders.

2) Pakistan's under an American Embargo, restraining it to get F-16s from the U.S, this is due to Pakistan's NUKES.

3) The JF-17/FC-1 is the PAF's only hope to survive, and it's parimount that it'll enter service.

4) The PAF's trying to acquire a new fighter to replace it's F-16s, the current option is the French made Mirage 2000-5.

good don't buy f16 buy only mirag. how many nuke it fire and how many Pakistan need to kill india
:jumpgreen: :)Clp :Dbanana :SNIPER: :SNIPER: :SNIPER:

[rafale]

Squadron Leader how mirage 200-9 will counter su-30mki in close combet how if it is not capable it is usless because then Pakistan wiill have no fighter to counter su-30 in close combettttt

u think that mirage 2000-9 has better ew suit but it would matter in bvr but what when it comes to close combet su-30mki is most monuvaring fighter with trust vecoring and foward canerds so u will loss in cloosee combet even our piolits are nothing in front of su-30 inclose combet

.reefales aceelarion trust to weight ratio and manuveravilty much much greater then mirage 200-9can do the job in close combet

[rafale]

[rafale]

because it needs more money mirage 2009 is not cable to fighte with mki not in cloose combet read this plzzzzzzzzzmore mony to buy more advance fighter to counter mki such as refale not even f-15 f/a-18 this is som think about su-30 in foreigh sights


The Flanker has twice the combat radius of the F/A-18A+, higher energy manoeuvrability, higher sustained and instantaneous turn rate, a longer ranging radar and substantially larger missile load. Advanced variants such as the Su-30MKI/Su-35/37 have unsurpassed manoeuvre performance, especially in the demanding high AoA, high G regime of flight


this is somthing from my knowledge


do u know one thing that mirage 2000-9 has lessr ange then rafale infect very less its accelaration is less [which would count in close combet]main the deffrence between refale eveonics is that no version is carring ir search and trak even mirage2000-9 altou it is caalled minr rafale but use some of avionics nott all it is not possble to fit avioncs of twin engined rafale[very big when compared with mirage200-9] avionecs all the avionics on it .no one can put f-15 aviononics on f-16.
ok
if u think that mirage 2000-9 has better ew suit but it would matter in bvr but what when it comes to close combet su-300mkki is most monuvaring fighter with trust vecoring and foward canerds so u will loss in cloosee combet even our piolits are nothing aarcher has bore sight of 65 digrees and matra magic hass 35 digrees of bore sight.nnoting can match su=30s manuverabilty exept f-22.refale comes cloose only with little diffrence.reefales aceelarion trust to weight ratio and manuveravilty much much greater then mirage 200-9can do the job in close combet.mmirage2000 will be alright in brv but in close combet its domed.one thing paf is buying the fighter which could last 25 years mirage 200-9 does not has such engine life and upgrade opiitonit totaly packed with new ew suit even no room for a ir seearch and track so it will be impossilbe to upgrade it in order to meet requirment for future.refale hass 25 years of enginee life andupgrade options and if Pakistan buy mirage 200-9 no fighter would be able to counter su-300mki in close combet.


my aim of posting this again and again is plllzzzzzzzzzzzz mirage 200-9 in nothing in close combet to su-30mki

:Dbanana :megalol :ot< :rt<< :wst) :pkflg) :jumpgreen: :Dbanana

topic isMirage 2000-5/9 Vs Indian Fighters

su -30mkin is indian fighter and i have proved mirage 200-9 in nothing in frount of su-30mki in close combet
how m i off topic stupit

[hafiz_n2003]

because it needs more money mirage 2009 is not cable to fighte with mki not in cloose combet read this plzzzzzzzzzmore mony to buy more advance fighter to counter mki such as refale not even f-15 f/a-18 this is som think about su-30 in foreigh sights


The Flanker has twice the combat radius of the F/A-18A+, higher energy manoeuvrability, higher sustained and instantaneous turn rate, a longer ranging radar and substantially larger missile load. Advanced variants such as the Su-30MKI/Su-35/37 have unsurpassed manoeuvre performance, especially in the demanding high AoA, high G regime of flight


this is somthing from my knowledge


do u know one thing that mirage 2000-9 has lessr ange then rafale infect very less its accelaration is less [which would count in close combet]main the deffrence between refale eveonics is that no version is carring ir search and trak even mirage2000-9 altou it is caalled minr rafale but use some of avionics nott all it is not possble to fit avioncs of twin engined rafale[very big when compared with mirage200-9] avionecs all the avionics on it .no one can put f-15 aviononics on f-16.
ok
if u think that mirage 2000-9 has better ew suit but it would matter in bvr but what when it comes to close combet su-300mkki is most monuvaring fighter with trust vecoring and foward canerds so u will loss in cloosee combet even our piolits are nothing aarcher has bore sight of 65 digrees and matra magic hass 35 digrees of bore sight.nnoting can match su=30s manuverabilty exept f-22.refale comes cloose only with little diffrence.reefales aceelarion trust to weight ratio and manuveravilty much much greater then mirage 200-9can do the job in close combet.mmirage2000 will be alright in brv but in close combet its domed.one thing paf is buying the fighter which could last 25 years mirage 200-9 does not has such engine life and upgrade opiitonit totaly packed with new ew suit even no room for a ir seearch and track so it will be impossilbe to upgrade it in order to meet requirment for future.refale hass 25 years of enginee life andupgrade options and if Pakistan buy mirage 200-9 no fighter would be able to counter su-300mki in close combet.


my aim of posting this again and again is plllzzzzzzzzzzzz mirage 200-9 in nothing in close combet to su-30mki

:Dbanana :megalol :ot< :rt<< :wst) :pkflg) :jumpgreen: :Dbanana

topic isMirage 2000-5/9 Vs Indian Fighters

su -30mkin is indian fighter and i have proved mirage 200-9 in nothing in frount of su-30mki in close combet
how m i off topic stupit

you calling me stupit
i take your one leg and you will fit to beg and come to Pakistan to beg i take your another leg you can't walk and can't go back to india
:)Clp :)Clp :)Clp
:jumpgreen: :jumpgreen:
:wst)

[thunderinaction]

Squadron Leader how mirage 200-9 will counter su-30mki in close combet how if it is not capable it is usless because then Pakistan wiill have no fighter to counter su-30 in close combettttt

u think that mirage 2000-9 has better ew suit but it would matter in bvr but what when it comes to close combet su-30mki is most monuvaring fighter with trust vecoring and foward canerds so u will loss in cloosee combet even our piolits are nothing in front of su-30 inclose combet

.reefales aceelarion trust to weight ratio and manuveravilty much much greater then mirage 200-9can do the job in close combet

IF our F-16s get refurbished then they will be good in Close Combat & secondly the JF-17 is not bad.

[thunderinaction]

Do you have any link about this. If that is the case why are our leaders silent. Can they buy these toys today. Or probably there is a secret deal going on and they are acting as though there is nothing. That will be a good strategy given our current international pressure.

How can I paste a scanned article??????
Don't you know??Every one knows that PM ordered immediate $ 2.5 bn for PAF.

[USAM]

IN short combat but in BVR ........... MIRAGE 2009 with better accuracy striking capability and latest avonics better then SU 30MKI. Locking down a Mirage 2009 or 4th gernation fighter of that size is not even possible by EU THPHOON radar which is the fighter that is more advance and then comes very close to TYHPOON RAFALE then MIRAGE 2009 (RAFALE Tech not all avonics). Mirage 2009 EW sutie is better anyway i don't have much time to discuss it is detial.

[thunderinaction]

Well all we need is good modern and BVRAAM fighter to neutrelize InAF i.e.
Mirage 2000-5 MKII OR Mirage 2000-9.With this we could get back our strategy called Minimum Deterance.

[ArtilleryFire]

Mirage 2000-5/9 can kick indian planes butt if we aquir them is sufficient numbers and no doubt our pilots are one of the best in the world they just require latest technology and PAF is already engaged in the production and aquiration of new planes to fullfil its need.

[Winged_Trident]

Ok guys b4 u judge the M2K-9 to the IAF ...just read this small comparison of the IAF's MiG-29 and M2K's ...... this is from acig

VAJRA vs BAAZ

BAAZ (MiG-29)

The comparison between Russian and Western systems is an endless debate that rages on. Both sides have had a fair share of successes and failures. In IAF hands, aircraft and systems of Soviet/Russian origin have always delivered, often exceeding design parameters, wheras in many other cases worldwide, Western systems (of the same class) have always enjoyed a certain degree of respect over the former. However, when asked to generically compare Russian and Western systems, the IAF puts forth an important point that is often never even brought up - "The performance of any system mostly depends on how well it is maintained by the end user" . The IAF uses two types under a similar class, namely the Mikoyan MiG-29 'Baaz' and Dassault Mirage-2000H 'Vajra' each representing the 'Russian' and 'Western' elements of the airforce, respectively.

The Phazotron-NIIR N019 radar of the Baaz can track 10 targets in Track-while-Scan (TWS) mode and prioritize two of the most threatening for engagement. Asked to compare this set with the Thomson-CSF RDM on the Mirage-2000H, it was revealed that the N019 has better look-down shoot-down capability, significantly greater range as well as better target discrimination. This should not be taken as a blow to the RDM in anyway since IAF Mirage-2000 pilots were able to score well in the BVR regime against RDI equipped Mirage-2000Cs of the Armee de l'air during the final phases of the Indo-french joint exercise 'Garuda'. Indeed, the N019 has the received an all-positive feedback from the IAF and put in a sterling performance during the Kargil war.

As per the squadron personnel, the IRST of the OEPrNK-29-E2 opto-electronic kompleks has a range of 20 km against a non afterburning target in the head-on aspect. Range is atleast five to six times greater against an afterburning target. Both radar and IRST information can be combined and displayed on the SE-31 integrated display.

IAF MiG-29s have apparently been geared for a higher level of autonomous operation since pilots stress the lack of dependency on the air-to-ground datalink. It is also possible that the capacity of some of the fuel tanks were increased. This particular machine (KB-309) from the No.28 'The First Supersonics' squadron, has been flown non-stop from it's base in Jamnagar in the western state of Gujarat to the city of Chennai in the south-east, a trip of more than 1700 km!

It is now confirmed that all MiG-29s of the IAF are R-77 capable. The service life of the Baaz in the IAF has ranged from one extreme to another. The initial experience with the type was poor due to the collapse of the USSR which hit the support structure. One of the other major problems, as the pilot points out, was frequent FOD due to the placement of the large intakes next to the ground, which unlike the Su-30, had no anti-FOD grille. With some hard work and suitable infrastructure built, the status of the machine today has been boosted from low to the highest. Spares flow for the type has apparently been smooth and the aircraft enjoy high serviceability and flying hours.

VAJRA (Mirage-2000)

Due to consistent performance throughout it's service life and a superb safety record, the Mirage-2000H 'Vajra' has for long, been the favorite of the IAF. The biggest difference between the Vajra and the Baaz is the absence of multirole capability on the latter, wheras the former achieved outstanding results in the attack role, even under extremely prohibitive conditions. The Vajra is also the IAF's prime nuclear strike aircraft.

All Mirage-2000Hs of the IAF are capable of carrying the Vympel R-73E although no HMS is used. The Thomson-CSF Remora remains the Vajra's standard ECM pod. Notably, the pod itself has it's own integral pylon interface that also incorporates a small inlet for air-cooling. This machine (KF-136) is armed with a Matra BGL-1000 LGB on the centerline, a Belouga CBU and a single Matra Super-530D BVRAAM. The deployment of Vympel R-77 missiles on the type is being seriously considered.

The IAF has always been an air arm with a slight tilt towards offensive strikes. It's no surprise that 125 new Mirage-2000-5 are being considered for purchase and license production. HAL's Overhaul Division at Bangalore is the only organization outside France authorized to undertake major inspection and servicing of Mirage-2000 aircraft for global customers.


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[Winged_Trident]

well atleast u guys w'll get the feel of what in IAF's hand has better radar and capablity except for the strike mission ....... but that will change once the Baaz are upgraded .... and hope u guys know the features of the upgradation ..... as for the strike payload the curent capablity of payload will be increased to 5500 Kg by strengthening the undercarriage .... and thats the standard for the SMT-II upgradation and others .......

...and whatever the case maybe .... the primary role of air/superiority and interception will lie with the MiG-29 and MiG-21's untill the Su-30MKI's does not reach its full potential - mean the sqadron level .... maybe by 2006-7 .... and so the PAF will likely be facing the MiG-21 Bison , MiG-29 and Su-30MKI ( ( in the air ..... and ur AD units will be having close encounter with M2K, MiG-27, Jag's and maybe higher up the Tu-22M3's (w00t) (w00t) .....

[rafale]

SUPOSE WE BUY MIRAGE 2000-9 . INDIAS SU -30MKI IS 100 KM AWAY AS IT HAS AIR TO AIR MISSIL RANGING FROM 130 KM SO IT WILL FIRA A MISSIL MIRAGE 200-9 SAFES ITS SELF DOING MANUVER AND WITH HELP OF COUNTER MATURES NOW MIRAGE200-9 IS 50KM AWAY FIRES A MISSIL SU-30MKI SAVES IT SELVES DOING MANUVER AND HELP OFF ITS CMSNOW BOTH AIRCRAFTS ARE IN CLOSE COMBET NOW WHAT WILL SAVE MIRAGE 2000-9 AGAINTS SU-30MKI WITH TRUST VECTORING ENGINESAN FOWARD CANERDS PLUS ARCHER HAVING BORE SIGHT MORE THEN 65 U PPL ARE COMBLTLY UNDERASSTIMATING THE INDIAN SU-30MKI AS PIECE OF CAKE MAN WAKE UP.IN CLOSE COMBET HOWWWWWWWWWW????????????????????????? WILL MIRAGE COUNTER SU-30MKI IN CCLOSE COMBET how if it is not capable it is usless because then Pakistan wiill have no fighter to counter su-30 in close combettttt.

do u PPL know one thing that mirage 2000-9 has lesser range then rafale infect very less ,its accelaration is less [which would count in close combet]main the deffrence between refale eveonics is that no version is carring ir search and trak even mirage2000-9 altough it is called mini rafale but use some of avionics nott all it is not possble to fit avioncs of twin engined rafale[very big when compared with mirage200-9] avionecs all the avionics on it .no one can put f-15 aviononics on f-16.
pplllzzzzzzzzzz tell me how will it counter su-30mki in close combet plzzzzzz anwer
u ppl are realy mis understanding the cabilblty of su-30mki inclose combet and bvr
its fourth generation plus plus more cable then f/a -18 and f-15

[USAM]

Mirage 2009 ECM and ECCM are better then SU 30MKI no dout about it so rest assure and IAF doesn't accurate missile to 130 Km range. Targets at 50 KM to escape are not that much and usally aircrafts carrys the 6 to 8 MICA for intercept and in strike 4 MICA, 1 Cruise missile, two fuel tanks. But the RAFAE 4 or more MICA with 3 cruise missiles, 2 fuel tanks or 32 cruse missiles and 2 fuel tanks.



RAFALE would be better choice in the long run for PAF but expensive one but still RAFALE MKII could even stand against the PAK FA and more room for future upgrades and now feature AESA radar.

Mirage 2005 8cool)
Mirage 2005 MKII 8cool) 8cool)
Mirage 2009 8cool) 8cool) 8cool)
RAFALE 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool)
RAFALE MKII :<Firemad 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) :<Firemad

[thunderinaction]

So Rafale is the best fighter??

[ArtilleryFire]

Rafale and Mirage 2000-5/9 are good and cool and expensive.

[thunderinaction]

NO Baby! they r extra cool.Mirages Rock 8cool) 8cool)

[Desert Eagle2]

Mirage 2009 ECM and ECCM are better then SU 30MKI no dout about it so rest assure and IAF doesn't accurate missile to 130 Km range. Targets at 50 KM to escape are not that much and usally aircrafts carrys the 6 to 8 MICA for intercept and in strike 4 MICA, 1 Cruise missile, two fuel tanks. But the RAFAE 4 or more MICA with 3 cruise missiles, 2 fuel tanks or 32 cruse missiles and 2 fuel tanks.



RAFALE would be better choice in the long run for PAF but expensive one but still RAFALE MKII could even stand against the PAK FA and more room for future upgrades and now feature AESA radar.

Mirage 2005 8cool)
Mirage 2005 MKII 8cool) 8cool)
Mirage 2009 8cool) 8cool) 8cool)
RAFALE 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool)
RAFALE MKII :<Firemad 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) 8cool) :<Firemad

The Mirage 2000-9 is a customized version of the 2000-5 with an extra emphasis on air-to-ground capabilities. The Mirage 2000-5 MKII is a further development of the 2000-9. The MKII's systems are far more integrated than anything the US is offering at this point.

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ARE U NUTS?? MIRAGE 2000-9 IS MUCH ADVANCED THAN MIRAGE 2000-5.FOR GOD'S SAKE DONT THROW RUBBISH.

[Squadron Leader]

The Mirage 2000-9 is a customized version of the 2000-5 with an extra emphasis on air-to-ground capabilities. The Mirage 2000-5 MKII is a further development of the 2000-9. The MKII's systems are far more integrated than anything the US is offering at this point.

I haven't seen a person this stupid in my lifetime, ever, tell me, if JANES says that the Mirage 2000-9 is better then the Mirage 2000-5Mk2, what gives you an idea that the Mirage 2000-5Mk2 is better ???

[pegasus]

"Mirage 2009 ECM and ECCM are better then SU 30MKI "

Where the hell you get that from?

[thunderinaction]

"Mirage 2009 ECM and ECCM are better then SU 30MKI "

Where the hell you get that from?

From PAF's officers.

[Winged_Trident]

I haven't seen a person this stupid in my lifetime, ever, tell me, if JANES says that the Mirage 2000-9 is better then the Mirage 2000-5Mk2, what gives you an idea that the Mirage 2000-5Mk2 is better ???

Former Israeli deputy defence minister Efraim Sneh claimed on Army Radio that, “Anyone with even the slightest understanding of missiles knows that the Harpoon can never be used to carry nuclear warheads”. This was swiftly reinforced by Ted Hooton, editor of Jane's Naval Weapon Systems in London, who agreed with Sneh’s assessment, saying problems with payload weight would put the Harpoon out of balance, limiting its range and accuracy, "It seems to me that a nuclear weapon, which is extremely dense, would make the Harpoon nose heavy and significantly reduce its range — in any event well below the (150 kilometers) it is designed for," he said.

While many might doubt the authenticity of Sneh’s claim, who would dare question the measured opinion of Jane’s, widely touted as the most authoritative military publication on earth? Unfortunately Jane’s appears to have made a terrible error, because Hooton’s claim is the exact opposite of reality. Harpoon normally carries a 215-pound conventional explosive charge in its warhead, which can easily be replaced by a 99.2-pound nuclear device, which then needs additional ballast to balance the missile in flight!

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well tat was just one statement to assure of the fact that Janes or whatever stuffs in the west thats considered creadible has only their intrests put first ..... well and this same jane carried grrrrr8 reports abt India goin to test 3000Km missile in a few days and what cam out was a Pak specific 700 Km range Agni ...... so I just wanna tell u is that the sources what has made out itself to be creadible is not creadible except for their own intrests .....

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:wst)

[USAM]

SU 30MKI have Isreali and French ECM stuff right but FRENCH didn't gave you RAFALE = tech or cutting edge so Mirage 2009 have better ECM and ECCM and EW suite.