125 replies to this topic

[PakShaheen]

SAMs are also very expensive...Specially when you have to cover more than 2000 Km land kilomaters of border with your enemy.May be Pakistan looking at some other system before they pick one...

[PS:Annonymous]

We are getting FT-2000 Awaacs killer, it is confirmed from a very reliable source.

[leuitenentcolonel]

PakShaheen

Its more like this;

• 4 F-22P
  
• 3 Agosta-90B
  
• 4 ??? 2400-3000 Ton Frigates
  
• 4 ??? SSK Attack Submarines
  
• 4 Z-9EC Anti-Submarine Helicopters
  
• 8 P-3C Orion Anti-Submarine Warfare & Maritime Patrol Aircraft
  
• 4 Fast Attack Missile Stealth Boats
  
• 4 Fast Attack Patrol Stealth Boats
  
• ? Jalalat Class Fast Attack Missile Boats
  
• ? ???? AEW&C
  
• Long-Range Anti-Ship Cruise Missile

There is a lot more than this.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

well it should be like this

our current TYPE 21 upgraded
4 F22P
2/3 FFG-7s or any french, ukrainian stealth are also an available option
PN should be given LUHAI ddgs
mixed class MBs like singapore and thai TOT baots
turkish stealth MBs
larakana and jalalat class
upgraded hungfen
ad some MAS and hovers for marines
3 augusta 90b and 3 more as stated many times by PN personnels
current 70 b (UPGRADES???)
chinese YUWAN(sp?) class are my fav for pn
2 ERIEYE
longer ranger SAMs, SS, and anti ship/sub missiles
12 P3C
25 Z9
and for air strike FBC1 A or B suites the conditions

some SA10 and HQ18

[Saqr]

I stick by my original post. However, AFM said the number of Z-9ECs eventually bought by PN will be more than 4.

[leuitenentcolonel]

yeah
the number of Z9 will be more than 4 i guesss 10 or 12

[Web Master]

how many z-9 will do the job................remeber we have a limited funds for navy.....?

Personally i thin 12 is a very good number

[Saqr]

how many z-9 will do the job................remeber we have a limited funds for navy.....?

Personally i thin 12 is a very good number

Thing is, if the PN gets the 3 Type-23s from U.K, you can expect 3-4 more Lynx helicopters, and if we do get another 4-6 F-22Ps (in addition to the 4 already ordered), we can expect a total of 10-12 Z-9s IMO. Note the helicopter numbers are not in ratio with the frigates, other things will be considered too, so the number may be less or more.

[Saqr]

We will need more helicopters considering spare parts.

Z-9ECs coming from China, I'm not too worried

However, about the Lynx Helicopter, I think the PN should stock up on spare-parts, just incase the U.K decides to act gay and inflict an embargo on Pakistan.

[Kim Jong-il Hater]

Pakistan really needs to concentrate on the surface fleet. Hopefully in the future we can get the Type 23s upgraded to the version the RN is getting soon. The F-22Ps will be a very good addition to the navy, but I think more frigates or destroyers are needed. Maybe we can get something from France or Ukraine, or another Chinese frigate. Our Naval Aviation arm is in good shape and is going to be even better in the future, and JF-17 will fit the role of the Mirage III in the anti-ship role. We might need to get new subs too or upgrade our Agostas, even convert them to nuclear-powered.

[F-104Starfighter]

Looking deeply i think in very few areas we do have a considerable lead on bhindia

i mean the following

1.Navy-Agosta90B Subs(better than any sub in bhindian inventory and even bhindians themselves agree)

2.Attack Helicopter:Cobras and they r being upgraded

3.Nukes:more than a hundred and their terminal guidance compared to bhindian intertia guidance plus our range AND all of ours r under production whereas one or two bhindians are.

4.PAF pilots:Do i need to say anything?

Someone can add more if i missed something.During the modernization plan i hope all the above are considered to be improved.

[Kim Jong-il Hater]

Soon we'll have more mobile infantry than them once the Al-Tahla comes out! Once the Al-Khalid goes through soem upgrades we might just have the advantage in tanks!

[ISI2003]

Soon we'll have more mobile infantry than them once the Al-Tahla comes out! Once the Al-Khalid goes through soem upgrades we might just have the advantage in tanks!

especially with our network management system to coordinate our troop movements, we might have the advanctage on the ground

[Top Gun 101]

For the PAF & PNS the expenditures are much, much greater for I see that the PAF needs upwards of 400 new fighters in the space of 20 years & no less than $3 billion to realise these requirements, that doesn't include 'extras' & while the PA can get large numbers of Al'Khalid MBT 2000, Type 85 & Al'Zarrar & even Talha & other systems such as Anzah III SAM etc in good time & reasonable cost it simply isn't enough. The PNS is also expensive but with the Augosta 90B & Frigate 22P the PNS should have a rivival of sorts. Ex-French/German Atlantiques can be purchased & even though P-3Cs from the US are arriving the Brazilian Embraer 145MP/P-99 (ASW) varients should be purchased as they are also likely candidates for the PAF's AEW&C requirement, which, alone costs as much as two or more fighter wings.

With these costs, it is imperative that arms export profits (not revenues) are used to subsidise & finance military expenditures. That means that exports of the JF-17, K-8, Al'Khalid MBT 2000, & Type 85 & even the Al'Zarrar (as a rebuild) should be promoted with vigour. Likewise, the Anzah III SAM should be developed for export & with higher grade performance. In addition, contracts for the training of F-7 pilots should be pushed as well as maintance & overhauls of similar types like MiG-21s. It is very possible for Pakistan to treble military revenues in a short period of time.

[Munir]

If lucky then 75 F16D block 52. (included bigger fueltanks, Conformal tanks, Lantirn)

Better (MLU) avionics for JF17.

150-300 JF17.

Maybe a squadron Rafale.

Around 75-100 K8

Around 200 Mushaq

Weapons:
Aim9M version 8/9 : 500
Aim9X?
HMS for F16/JF17
IRST
Amraam 3c-5 : 500
Jdam : 500
SD-10 : 1000 (internal production)
new anti radiation missile

Exit:
Durandal (replaced by Baber)
MK80-84 (replavced by Baber)
Maverick (If left)
Aim 9P (-4)
All chinese IR missiles if not comparable with AIM9L/M

New developments:
Fueltanker
UCAV
UAV
BVR





Exit:
all non Rose 3 mirages
All P
All PG
All A5
All F16 block 15
All T37

[Pakistan First]

Yaar it is not the Question that if get this stuff or not.

the real Question is how we must make our economy strong.

we must not put lots of money in defence toys right away.

we have nukes and they assure that no one will find it an adventure to start a war with us anytime soon.

we must do the slow and continues investment in defence but at the same time we should work on economy.

The most sensible post in this thread.

[Saqr]

Air Force
=================

• 35 JAS-39 Gripen
• 55 F-16C/D Block-52
• 60 F-16A/B MLU (35 + 25 additions)
• 150 JF-17 (with avionics on-par with MLU's)
• 7 Saab-2000 Erieye AEW&C
• 20-30 Blawkhawk/Huey transport helicopters
• 24 C-130B/E medium-lift transport aircraft
• Meteor
• IRST
• AIM-120B/C
• AIM-9M/Q/X
• R-Darter
• A-Darter
• AGM-84L Harpoon-Block-II
• Exocet MM40 Block-III
• Babur

Only problem is $$$$

[ISI2003]

Air Force
=================

• 75 F-16C/D Block-52 (CFTs) - 40 active + 35 reserved for emergencies
  
• 200 JF-17 (with avionics on-par with MLU's) - all active
  
• 75 F-16A/B MLU (34 + 41 additions) - all active
  
• 50 non-flyable/stored F-16A/Bs - for spare-parts and attrition
  
• 50 JAS-39C/D Gripen - 35 active + 15 reserved for emergencies
  
• 6 Saab-2000 Erieye AEW&C - 4 active + 2 stored
  
• 4 E-2C Hawkeye-2000 AEW&C - 2 active + 2 stored
  
• 20-30 Blawkhawk/Huey transport helicopters
  
• 24 C-130B/E medium-lift transport aircraft
  
• Meteor
  
• IRST
  
• AIM-120B/C
  
• AIM-9M/Q/X
  
• R-Darter
  
• A-Darter
  
• AGM-84L Harpoon-Block-II
  
• Exocet MM40 Block-III
  
• Babur
  

Reserved - Meaning that they aren't flown regularly like the active ones, they may be stored, JUST in case of embargoes etc.  They can be brought into full service during war time.  Squadrons should expand their numbers during war or be able to maintain their numbers for a good while in case of sanctions.

Only problem is $$$$

what your proposing would be way to expensive, like 15 billion on just aquiring the platforms

[Saqr]

what your proposing would be way to expensive, like 15 billion on just aquiring the platforms

Who said modernization was cheap and easy? Also, platforms like C-130s, Blawkhawks, F-16A/Bs can all be acquired cheaply and second hand. Unlike some, I don't calculate the costs that specifically, as many factors are involved in the reduction/increase of price, but I can assure you, it isn't THAT expensive.

[ISI2003]

platforms are not the whole solution, its about maximizing the potiential of the current weapons, and have a diversified fleet to get the best from all fields

also, getting redundant systems and numbers that would consitite a bunch of the fleet, as well as go over the numbers we currently have might be too cumbersome for the PAF

200 f-16's, 200 jf-17's, 50 jas-39's

that's 450 planes, thats more then the current fleet

like you said, does the government have the money to do that
committing to older generation planes is not the way to go

getting the 150 jf-17's planned, and 75 f-16's (plus modernizing the current fleet) will give the PAF nearly 300 fighters of decent capability

during this time, focusing on the weapons these planes carry, while saving up more money for modernizing the rest of the infastruture and waiting for other things to mature, like the J-10 and J-XX

also the rafale and eurofighter will mature over the next 10 years, and by then the price might go down, just like the mirage 2000's price fell by 25% over the last 10 years

these are issues the PAF needs to look at, and the government will have t do before hastily commiting to funding a modernization that might need another modernization in 10-15 years (no offense)
---------------------
the E-2 was rejected by the PAF because it is considered obsolute technology

with second hand hueys already in Pakistan, we needs heavy lift helicopters, so chinooks not blackhawks are needed

c-130's could be aquired, but cheaper alternatives in new panes should be looked at, like the Y-9 being developed by china
---------------
the 15 billion number is just a number i'm making up to say you are propsing spending alot, where money could have been better spent

[Saqr]

Actually, as I said before, used American hardware comes very cheaply, as long as its in scale - not like F-15s and Apaches. Non-flyable F-16s, they're nothing more than constructed spare-parts, its like stocking up on spare-parts, so how does that contribute to a fleet? - non flyable versions are considerably cheap too - 75 F-16A/Bs, well, Pakistan already has around 34-35 (including recoverable & 2 December ones), are you telling me its that expensive to add 40 odd more, which would cost no more than 15mn USD a piece?

As for reduntant airframes, today, Pakistan is using F-7Ps, PGs, and 40-year old Mirages. Today, India is using MiG-21s, MiG-23s, MiG-27s, and Jaguars, which are more than 30 years old as well. The F-16A/B, isn't that reduntant in such an environment, it isn't at all really, its a significant boost to the PAF - who is flying fighters which should've been retired in the 90s - not much reduncancy. You can easily say that today, the basic, non MLU F-16A/B is superior to atleast 60% of the IAF.

The JF-17 isn't that much of an excellent fighter, its late, however its younger airframe, and ability to immediately host BVRAAMs, and be upgraded over time, is a good advantage, and producing them in high numbers will reduce the cost considerably. However, I doubt the speed China and Pakistan will be producing them, it may as well take them 20 years from 2010 to complete an order of 150-200, so in the meanwhile, what can Pakistan do to replace those Mirages and F-7s, cheaply? Likewise, F-16A/Bs will be retiring by 2020 anyways, so the JF-17 would gradually replace them.

As for Gripen, its a option to acquire a fighter on league with F-16s, but ability to carry more European weapons. The F-16 can be used as leverage to acquire Gripen relatively more cheaply (assuming the Swedes will sell).

Chinooks are a job for the Army, it shouldn't in the Air Force's nature to transport so many troops, and further burden its maintainence issues with expensive helicopters like that. Medium-Lift helicopters like Hueys and/or Blackhawks should be used by the Air Force. Blackhawks/more Hueys will replace the many Allouettes and Pumas in PAF service. Similarly, C-130, the PAF has the infastructure, its a very reliable aircraft, so there's no need to acquire a similar aircraft from another source. Pakistan did evaluate C-130J in the past, but it proved too expensive for a simply medium-lift transport aircraft - modern and beauty aren't everything.

[ISI2003]

you make good points, but getting over 150 f-16's can be dangerous due to possible future embargos

(getting non-flyable f-16's wouldn't be useful, just getting spares would be cheaper than getting a full plane, potientially)

getting alot of f-16's makes the government want to not develop the jf-17 any further

it would be better if they made the jf-17 better rather then get old f-16's

focussing on the J-XX is not a waste, as it can serce as a good acquistion in the future, and while it is being developed, a way for the PAF to get technology or deisgn help to redesigning the jf-17 for future upgrades
-------------------
getting f-16's can be a way to get good planes at cheap prices, but being overly dependant on them will make Pakistan defenseless against sanctions

i agree getting the expensive things like f-15 and apaches aren't really vaible for Pakistan

also, the y-9 might be cheaper then used c-130's and even though new infastruture might be needed, getting the type might be good in the long haul, as it would diversify the fleet, and give the PAF the ability to rapidly accept chinee Y-9's during a war

diversifying with chinese equipement will allow Pakistan to rapidly take on chinese equipement, provided in secret, so that Pakistan can rapidly increase its numbers

the Pakistani chinese defense treaty, could mean something at least on the scale of sending these kinds of equipement

example: china could send at least 100 of its JF-17's(if they have at least 100 at that time) to Pakistan in case of war, rapidly increaing the PAF's numbers by at least 20%

if this were applied to chinese tranports, J-10's, helicopters, and weapons

i'm not saying we should dump american weapons (which are great), but keep a balance of chinese and american and european systems, so we are not dependnat on one source only

in the face of cheap used f-16's, the real goal of having the right force to face all possibilites, and sanctions could be one of them

[Saqr]

I like this discussion;
===================

you make good points, but getting over 150 f-16's can be dangerous due to possible future embargos

(getting non-flyable f-16's wouldn't be useful, just getting spares would be cheaper than getting a full plane, potientially)

Thing is, you answered why we need 150 F-16s, because of possible embargoes. Not all of the 150 odd F-16s will be active in regular service, even in the normal political state. Out of the 150, I suggested in my post that roughly 115 (even less) will be active, that too in normal political stage. There is no need to keep 150 F-16s active in normal times, having even 100 would be good, given that they'll be backed by JF-17 and possibly another fighter. As for non-flyable F-16s, well its the best way to get spare-parts, and during an embargo, we can manage with non-flyable versions for a fairly long time, before resorting to cannabalism, it should give us enough time to find a replacement from Europe or China. We have managed to maintain 40 pretty well for 20 years, and ended up with 32, now imagine 75, with 50 non-flyable versions - I think till 2020-2025 is enough time.

Best way to fight against sanctions, is to plan, and have enough stockpiles to ensure that you can stay normal or even (before cannabalism), until you can find a replacement.

also, the y-9 might be cheaper then used c-130's and even though new infastruture might be needed, getting the type might be good in the long haul, as it would diversify the fleet, and give the PAF the ability to rapidly accept chinee Y-9's during a war

Logistical aircraft like C-130s aren't prone to embargoes, and there's nothing wrong with C-130 to warrant PAF to get another aircraft in the league. If anything, we would need to find a more advanced aircraft after the C-130s die from airframe life.

[ISI2003]

I like this discussion;
===================

Thing is, you answered why we need 150 F-16s, because of possible embargoes.  Not all of the 150 odd F-16s will be active in regular service, even in the normal political state.  Out of the 150, I suggested in my post that roughly 115 (even less) will be active, that too in normal political stage.  There is no need to keep 150 F-16s active in normal times, having even 100 would be good, given that they'll be backed by JF-17 and possibly another fighter.  As for non-flyable F-16s, well its the best way to get spare-parts, and during an embargo, we can manage with non-flyable versions for a fairly long time, before resorting to cannabalism, it should give us enough time to find a replacement from Europe or China.  We have managed to maintain 40 pretty well for 20 years, and ended up with 32, now imagine 75, with 50 non-flyable versions - I think till 2020-2025 is enough time. 

Best way to fight against sanctions, is to plan, and have enough stockpiles to ensure that you can stay normal or even (before cannabalism), until you can find a replacement. 

Logistical aircraft like C-130s aren't prone to embargoes, and there's nothing wrong with C-130 to warrant PAF to get another aircraft in the league.  If anything, we would need to find a more advanced aircraft after the C-130s die from airframe life.

yes good discussion

non-flyable f-16's are good sources of spares, but in reaility america might get
suspciuos, sort of like "what up Pakistan, you don't trust us"

if we don't procure Y-9's, we should at least have the infastruture at major bases to handle large tranports of other nations

in case of war, Pakistan could rapidly accept foriegn planes and put them in service

[Saqr]

non-flyable f-16's are good sources of spares, but in reaility america might get
suspciuos, sort of like "what up Pakistan, you don't trust us"

It really isn't their business of what we may or may not think, because in the end its our money, and our choice - we can always botch up the number of JF-17s, or even acquire a different Western or Chinese aircraft.

if we don't procure Y-9's, we should at least have the infastruture at major bases to handle large tranports of other nations

in case of war, Pakistan could rapidly accept foriegn planes and put them in service

Not only war, but even emergancy situations like the earthquake disaster. However, thats in case of war, and in South Asia, its quite unlikely unless one side has a terrible disadvantage. A disaster relief agency should be developed by the government, to handle different types of logistical vehicles, including heavy-lift helicopters and medium-lift transport aircraft.

[ISI2003]

It really isn't their business of what we may or may not think, because in the end its our money, and our choice - we can always botch up the number of JF-17s, or even acquire a different Western or Chinese aircraft.

Not only war, but even emergancy situations like the earthquake disaster.  However, thats in case of war, and in South Asia, its quite unlikely unless one side has a terrible disadvantage.

they will suspect distrust, and it is their planes to sell

chinese planes based in Xinjiang and Tibet, could be rushed in, with their PLAAF symbol painted as a PAF symbol, and loaned to Pakistan (especially if Pakistan is being attacked)

[Saqr]

they will suspect distrust, and it is their planes to sell

Then they don't have to sell, so they can lose to the Chinese defence industry for cheap and quick aircraft.

[ISI2003]

Then they don't have to sell, so they can lose to the Chinese defence industry for cheap and quick aircraft.

exactly and we will have to use planes from the 111 that will be totaled after this sale

instead of non-flable f-16, why not just get used f-16's and not give them a MLU

Pakistan has bought mirages and put in rose equirpement from other planes, once the older planes reached the end of their lives

so getting 50 F-16 block 15 A/B's would be better then Pakistan requesting "non-flyable planes"

also we might need the part that makes the pkane flyable, like certain engine parts, or hydrallic parts (and each air frame would only cost about $10 million according to some data a few years ago)

[Saqr]

Anyways, we know the PAF is acquiring another 25 used A/Bs, which will boost its A/B fleet to roughly 60, which is a strong number, any additions we'll have to wait and see.

On another note, I wouldn't mind seeing a few fighters like Rafale or F-15E entering the PAF fleet. Although pricy, I think the costs of these aircraft will go down over time, and the PAF can try to acquire 2nd hand.

We know the PAF will ultimately acquire/order;

• 55 F-16C/D Block-52 - hopefully with CFTs, dorsal spine, etc.
• 60 F-16A/B MLU (35 + 25 from new order)
• 150 JF-17 - armed with good Western avionics and different armaments
• 14 Mirage ROSE-III (totalling the ROSE fleet to about 70?)
• 40 K-8 Jet Trainers (12 + 28 new ones)
• 7 Saab-2000 Erieye AEW&C

[Oqaab]

On another note, I wouldn't mind seeing a few fighters like Rafale or F-15E entering the PAF fleet.  Although pricy, I think the costs of these aircraft will go down over time, and the PAF can try to acquire 2nd hand.

F-15E is PAF service is impossible. Instead, why not wait for India to choose 126 F-16s and Russia offering its aircrafts to PAF.

PAF showed its interest in Su-27 and Su-30 fighters in the past. Although we could get Su-27s from Ukraine (just as we got T-84 tanks) but russian approval would be good.

[Kim Jong-il Hater]

I think the Su-27s should be acquired, Russia would sell Pakistan the parts, and they could go for an upgrade. Ukraine would sell them cheap too since they're used!

[crazyinsane105]

I have a quick question: how about the J-11's from China? Can't PAF just buy those if it wants the Su-27? And since the J-11 will be a 100% Chinese aircraft in several years (I heard that they are still getting some help from the Russians), it would have no chance of getting embargoed. Not only that but the J-11 is a double engined plane that can carry a massive payload and it can be a true answer to the Indian Su-30MKI.

[USAM]

J-11 will take some time plus they are huge in every sense like maintaince and other costs, plus given that PAF has been using westerem systems for quite some time they will not be happy with some Russian equipment.

And the most important point is that these things have huge RCS like Su 30MKI, which is very dangerous in today's world when new fighters are comming with less and less RCS, moving toward stealth. And in this situation such a huge beast even if packed with latest stuff would find itself strectched against smaller but equally electronically advance fighter.

[Kim Jong-il Hater]

J-11 will take some time plus they are huge in every sense like maintaince and other costs, plus given that PAF has been using westerem systems for quite some time they will not be happy with some Russian equipment.

And the most important point is that these things have huge RCS like Su 30MKI, which is very dangerous in today's world when new fighters are comming with less and less RCS, moving toward stealth. And in this situation such a huge beast even if packed with latest stuff would find itself strectched against smaller but equally electronically advance fighter.

US Intel said Paistan has a better strike capability than India b/c the Mig-29s and Su-30MKIs have such a huge RCS!

[Saqr]

I change my opinion, any twin-engine aircraft would be a pain in the rear for the PAF. I think the PAF should divert more funds and attention into making the new proposed JF-17, and acquire advanced single-engine aircraft like F-16C/D Block-52 (which it will soon) and/or JAS-39 Gripen/Mirage 2000-5Mk2, etc. The PAF should have a diverse fleet of American (F-16), Chinese (JF-17), and European (Mirage 2000-5Mk2/Gripen), so the PAF can have a diverse force of weapons.

They need to have a better logistical set up as well, since the C-130 & CN-235 infastructure is there, PAF should acquire more used C-130s and new CN-235s. Better land based air defence system too, long- & medium-range SAMs.

[Kim Jong-il Hater]

I change my opinion, any twin-engine aircraft would be a pain in the rear for the PAF.  I think the PAF should divert more funds and attention into making the new proposed JF-17, and acquire advanced single-engine aircraft like F-16C/D Block-52 (which it will soon) and/or JAS-39 Gripen/Mirage 2000-5Mk2, etc.  The PAF should have a diverse fleet of American (F-16), Chinese (JF-17), and European (Mirage 2000-5Mk2/Gripen), so the PAF can have a diverse force of weapons. 

They need to have a better logistical set up as well, since the C-130 & CN-235 infastructure is there, PAF should acquire more used C-130s and new CN-235s.  Better land based air defence system too, long- & medium-range SAMs.

Two reasons:
1-High cost of maintnence
2-High RCS

The J-10 is huge, that gives it a big RCS, so maybe the Gripen or Mirage 2000 will be best. Or Rafale, that's single-engined and it's a very advanced plane!

[Saqr]

Or Rafale, that's single-engined and it's a very advanced plane!

Its twin engine, and very expensive.

[faizan khaliq]

I think we have to do the threat perception first,around 2015 what kind of threats we perceive to our security
who are possible enemies in addition to india,Do we need to change the doctrine when facing the other foe let us say NATO.The requirement of armaments would be entirely different in case of enemy other than India.In case of India would we be able to keep up the aggressive posture on Kashmir.Purely from military point of view we need to have
1.Strategic forces i.e strategic strike nukes plus long range bomber at least 40 subs
2.4Xarmy groups
a.Army group north
b.Army group center
c.army group south
d.Army group west
These groups should have there own reserves and to be equipped according to the tactical task.e.g army group north owing to our policy on Kashmir has to be an offensive formation.These groups have to have their own GHQ,Air force,tactical unconventional weapons etc necessary carryout the tactical plan.They should be free to evolve their own doctrine suitable to the ground conditions.

[faizan khaliq]

The strategic response troops mostly consist of air force/long range messiles,the sub launched second strike nukes preferably under Joint staff headquarters which should consist of 4 chiefs of army groups,commander strategic response forces,research and development of strategic response,space programmes,elctonic warfare division etc.
The strategic response must aim at complete annihilation of enemy through destruction of his resources which adds to his war potentials.These strikes have to comprehensive and decisive for these forces we need
1.at least 2 military purpose satellites
2.fourAWACs
3.we should focus on vertical take off capability air crafts owing to our smaller geographical size it will be hard to hide and protect military basis against missile attacks and keep functioning
4.ICBMs and sub launched missiles with a range of at least 5000 km
most of it sound hypothetical but our response has to be deterrence of total destruction of enemy/massive unacceptable losses
5,wolfpacks of subs to carry out naval blockade if required