Platinum, such systematic slaughters are happening everywhere in the world. Its been happening in African states where there is mass genocide. Yet, we sit on our hands and do nothing. Why such interest in the Syrian conflict?
If you talk about dictatorial control of such countries, then look no further than the monarchs of Saudi Arabia, and the rest of the GCC. There are tonnes of abuses over here against the weak and foreigners. These people pick people off the streets should they speak against the government. Is this not a form of dictatorship!?
You sound like a man of reason, and so these things should not be over simplified. Otherwise, you will sound no different than the western propaganda against muslim states.
Also, this is not about Sunni or Shia. I am a sunni but I do not agree with what Saudi Arabia is doing. This is hypocrisy since they do not want other to meddle in their internal affairs but they are willing go from country to country to stir trouble in other lands.
Syria is in a civil war and we need to be responsible by spear heading a UN resolution that will ensure free and fair elections. Where Assad is pressurised to resign to resolve this issue. I know that the solution is more complex but our vision needs to be set straight. We can not be biased. We must not take sides.
1. If you read my previous posts, I've always been an advocate of United Muslim intervention in a NATO-esque capacity in conflicts around the world. Considering the limited resources at hand, I've always prioritised Muslim conflicts, such as intervention in Kashmir, Burma, spotting the creation of South Sudan, preventing the creation of East Timor etc. I've also suggested efforts in Afghanistan and Somalia in the past to help the people of these nations climb out of chaos. The same has been said for post revolution Libya.
It's never going to happen. My suggestions are idealistic, and not unrealistic, but unlikely, because the motivation of our leaders, is not leadership, it's looting.
2. Dictatorship alone is not an issue. It's cruel that people are not allowed a choice in their rulers, but it's nothing entirely unacceptable. As for abuse, that occurs everywhere, Pakistan is full of abuses by the state, the terrorism we face today is a state owned f**k up, Balouchistan, the violence in Karachi, the energy crisis, the general lack of justice, all abuses by the state. The difference in Syria is, wholescale massacres of the population are occuring. 120,000 killed in 3 years, we've faced terrorism for 10 years and have lost 40,000 look at the scales involved. 5 million internally displaced, 3 million refugees.
3. I'd love for the UN to get involved and end this, but they won't, it's an uneffective western controlled organisation which is only used as a front to legitimate western military intervention to further thier interests abroad. I want Muslim countries who are not crackpots like Iran/KSA to stand together and resolve this ourselves, or help move it towards a resolution.
I know there is a hypocrisy involved in what i say, as on the one hand i call Saudi crackpots, on the other hand i suggest we sell them weapons. Let me clarify, as long as the weapons aren't intended for Al Queda hands, it's fine by me.
China and Iran, both are supporting Syria, do we want to challenge our allies who are also our neighbours?
Officially the Chinese are neutral, only the Russians support Assad because they want their naval base in Syria. Iran supports sectarian violence in Syria, as it has done in Lebanon and Iraq and Pakistan. We stand to gain nothing allowing that to go on. We already contradict ourselves in that matter with our support of Taliban groups in Afghanistan, who wage war against the Iranian back Northern Alliance.
What I propose is to take a stance and be a visible ally of the FSA. We support them politically and militarily, getting allied states to provide funds or thier war effort. We do it on the condition they agree with the Russians that existing Syrian-Russians ties can remain/may be enhanced, as long as the Russians cut support for Assad. If the Russians agree great, if not, I frankly don't care. My concern is the sunni Muslims of Syria. In fact the Syrian people as a whole, which is why i won't support or propose support for any Al Queda affiliated groups.
I think everyone is missing the point here. Pakistan isn't taking sides at all. If weapons are to be purchased by the Saudis the.n we should supply them else someone else will.
Asads regime is being supplied with weapons from Iran, Hezbullah and the Russians. So why can't someone supply to the rebels. Asad like his father is a butcher and a dictator and time for his departure is here. The alawites are not Muslims and people who class them as such have little or no understanding.
So let's focus on the weapons rather than Pakistan influencing regime change in Syria. Which it can't and clearly government doesn't want to been seen as such.
Agreed, at the end of the day it's only a weapons deal. My only concern would be who they'd be arming. If it's going to Al Queda affiliated enitites, i'd rather it go to Assad.
There is Al-Qaeda/Taliban influence in the rebellion group (Syria).
Here we are fighting them and there we should to be allies with them? Very weird and conflicting mind-set.
We know there is massive infighting in between the rebels, which makes it even more important to support the moderate FSA. Right now you have 4 different factions fighting each other;
Syrian Regime (and it's shia allies)
FSA (99% Syrians)
Al Nusra (Foreign fighters, Al Queda affiliated)
ISIS (Al Al Queda offshoot considered too extreme even for Al Queda)
- The FSA and An Nusra are fighting the regime and ISIS
- ISIS is fighting the FSA and Al Nusra (because it wanted to take over nusra and was denied by Al Queda and it considers FSA kafir)
- The regime is fighting FSA, Nusra and ISIS.
- Note Nusra also consider the FSA as kafir but are willing to fight with them until they've defeated the regime
To avoid another Libya/Somalia/Afghanistan, sane muslim countries like Pakistan, Turkey, Eygpt, Kuwait, Malaysia etc, should in my opinion, support the most sane option in Syria, which is supporting the FSA. The regime has fallen, they can't win, it's either Al Queda affiliated Rebels or non Al Queda affiliated rebels. Every day we stand by, the war rages, people die and we risk an Ql Queda controlled Syria.
My general Syria approach i think we should take;
1. Arm moderate Syrian rebels, to allow them to win the war or be a large enough stakeholder.
2. Influence the FSA with offers of short/medium/long term support to offer concessions to Russia to help remove Assads support.
3. Isolate and reduce Al Queda influence by helping the fight against them as well as pressuring allied states to control who their funds/arms are sent too. Pressure can be increased by having a united front with other moderate states.
4. Work with the Assad government to help them step down with concessions for Assad and other Alawaites and garuntees of protection.
5. Help organise a muslim dominated peace keeping force which will be in place for at least 10 years.
6. Help oraganise a rebuilding fund, start of with Arab nations and Muslim nations providing funds and resources (such as expertise and equipment), and eventually have others get involved.