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GENERAL
Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:42 AM
Aoa
I don't know how to embed videos here so I just sort of pasted the link. If some mod can embed it - I would appreciate it.
http://www.dailymoti...them_shortfilms
I was quiet moved by it. Thought i'd share it.
I didn't actually think Pakistan registered much on other muslims minds. I wish we could live up to our potential and get out of this mess.
w/slaaam
BRIGADIER
Posted 14 July 2014 - 07:07 AM
How many USD they can offer to us. Only Dollar can make us move. I am sorry but that's seems to be true or else Kashmir would have been freed long time ago.
GENERAL
Posted 16 July 2014 - 04:50 AM
GENERAL
Posted 16 July 2014 - 07:46 AM
Our nation was born the day Muhammad Bin Qasim answered such a call. How can the sons of that nation remain idle.
GENERAL
Posted 18 July 2014 - 03:52 PM
Dear brother. .. Pakistani sons were born by women who proud fully made them men of honour haqq principles morales ethics and making them able to stand on their own feet and being the rear hard backbone of the nation people and heartbeat of Pakistan. ..Our nation was born the day Muhammad Bin Qasim answered such a call. How can the sons of that nation remain idle.
BRIGADIER
Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:14 PM
Pakistani armed forces should wear black turbans instead of helmets and march towards Al-Quds ASAP !!....on foot !!...maybe the general leading the army can use a camel.
1) “We but teach bloody instructions which, being taught, return to plague the inventor” — Macbeth, Act 1, scene 7
2) "It is cream that rises to the top of milk. It is scum that rises to the top of a dirty pond."
BRIGADIER
Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:12 PM
I agree...Pakistan's first and foremost responsibility is Kashmir and its own people.
1) “We but teach bloody instructions which, being taught, return to plague the inventor” — Macbeth, Act 1, scene 7
2) "It is cream that rises to the top of milk. It is scum that rises to the top of a dirty pond."
GENERAL
Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:36 PM
Pakistani armed forces should wear black turbans instead of helmets and march towards Al-Quds ASAP !!....on foot !!...maybe the general leading the army can use a camel.
BRIGADIER
Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:58 AM
One day they will, no doubt people like you will be sat in your armchair worrying whether the white man will approve. Meanwhile the people of our nation are at least protesting in support. Note the array of different people, religious, non religion as well as minorities.
http://www.dawn.com/...arity-with-gaza
No need to get PMSed......everyone including myself are supporting the palestinians but sending in the Pakistani army is a stupid idea.
Living under the skirt of the "white man" and telling me that I am waiting to seek approval lol
At least I have my head straight and priorities right.....you being a kashmiri should do the same. Anyways I can send you some money for turbans and sandals if you wish to march to Al-Quds..... 
....would you like to be the next Mohammed Bin Qasim?
1) “We but teach bloody instructions which, being taught, return to plague the inventor” — Macbeth, Act 1, scene 7
2) "It is cream that rises to the top of milk. It is scum that rises to the top of a dirty pond."
GENERAL
Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:01 AM
Aoa
What is the nature of your support for the Palestinians? What is the kind of support you think Pakistan should give to the Palestinians?
w/salaam
BRIGADIER
Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:32 AM
we have a good history of fighting in arab israel wars, Mecca, Bosnia, Sri Lanka, Russia, Kashmir, India, Assam.....etc....what is lacking is the will...nothing else...
BRIGADIER
Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:46 AM
Aoa
What is the nature of your support for the Palestinians? What is the kind of support you think Pakistan should give to the Palestinians?
w/salaam
Diplomatic....medicines...food supplies...clothes....and monetary if possible. I wouldn't reveal what I have done on a personal level....that's not me.
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Btw let me make one thing very clear for all the naive babies out there who are getting super emotional......Palestinian state is literally not asking for Pakistani help....they don't give a damn about the Pakistani state. Heck even their majority doesn't even think of Pakistani state as a key player....they are completely indifferent to Pakistan.
Saudi Arabia and Egypt are the only two nations the Palestinian authorities and the general population look up to...and then the larger arab community to some extent. It is only the Pakistanis who have this some sort of complex that they are somehow needed everywhere....fact of the matter is in the end Pakistan always manages to look like a joker/clown nation.
To all the people who are going to use Islam as their card.....please do not drag the entire Pakistani state machinary and nation in to your misguided notions....go pick up a weapon, wear a black turban and then get lost to do your jihad.
Pakistan First...everything else second.
PS. I am surprised to see the Pakistanis on the social media like facebook shedding tears of blood for the palestinians...everyday posting around 10-20 posts related to the atrocities in Gaza....which is all well and good. But the same mofos have not posted a single post in favour of our armed forces or IDPs......they don't even care what's going on in FATA......hypocrite complex shuda qaum.....idiots.
PPS: The title of the thread is completely wrong and misleading...it is the f##king HuT trying to drag Pakistan Army in the mess.....it is HuT boy band calling for Pakistan Army.....wonder why would you mislead people this way when it was clearly a HuT rally.
1) “We but teach bloody instructions which, being taught, return to plague the inventor” — Macbeth, Act 1, scene 7
2) "It is cream that rises to the top of milk. It is scum that rises to the top of a dirty pond."
GENERAL
Posted 20 July 2014 - 05:02 AM
we have a good history of fighting in arab israel wars, Mecca, Bosnia, Sri Lanka, Russia, Kashmir, India, Assam.....etc....what is lacking is the will...nothing else...
You are right, if there was a will, we could have atleast supplied Hamas with Baktar Shikans and Anza Manpads. That would deal a huge blow to the Israeli army.
GENERAL
Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:39 AM
No need to get PMSed......everyone including myself are supporting the palestinians but sending in the Pakistani army is a stupid idea.
Living under the skirt of the "white man" and telling me that I am waiting to seek approval lol
At least I have my head straight and priorities right.....you being a kashmiri should do the same. Anyways I can send you some money for turbans and sandals if you wish to march to Al-Quds.....
GENERAL
Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:22 AM
We have to remember that in the most recent Indo-Pak conflict, Israel came to India's rescue and provided India with PGMs and UAVs which were critical from India's perspective. You will find many articles written by indians saying that Israel turned the war around for india. So we should not live under the illusion that we have no business in the Palestinian issue. Just like Israel armed our enemy, we should arm theirs.
BRIGADIER
Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:08 PM
living under the skirt? That might be the case in the middle east where the arabs keep you as second class citizens, but in Britain i am the equal of any man. What that means is i don't live under the shadow of an inferiority complex, therefore can make decisions without the need of approval from others, or the lead of others. Britain allows men to be lions not sheep, if they choose to fo so.
if there was s consensus for a united military action by Muslim nations i would want Pakistan to be at the forefront of it. We are lions not sheep. Don't worry if such a situation were to occur we'd ensure there is a plentiful supply of adult diapers for you to wear under dhoti.
Yup...some lion you are...lion of words most likely lol, knowing full well that Britain is one of the staunchest ally of Israel....sure go ahead and make a decision then...when are you marching towards Jerusalem with the diapers for us sheeps? Talk is cheap buddy.
March towards Jerusalem and see your citizenship get revoked mr. "lion" lol.
1) “We but teach bloody instructions which, being taught, return to plague the inventor” — Macbeth, Act 1, scene 7
2) "It is cream that rises to the top of milk. It is scum that rises to the top of a dirty pond."
BRIGADIER
Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:05 PM
Aoa
What is the nature of your support for the Palestinians? What is the kind of support you think Pakistan should give to the Palestinians?
w/salaam
GENERAL
Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:27 PM
GENERAL
Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:44 PM
GENERAL
Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:46 PM
@Platinum786:
When you walk the right path and speak from your heart, you would be mocked, humiliated, sidelined and in the end declared, insane
Keep walking and don't worry
@Topic:
At the very least Pakistan could have given weapons to Hamas (just like the political scores hungry Iran used to do); but with the current sorry state of affairs internally, since 1947, we would simply be fooling ourselves; I mean we couldn't protect our own borders (FATA, Siachien etc), our own people (sialkot brothers, aafia siddiqui) and our own society (graves digging cannibalists) ... we morally are not there yet; the basics are missing in our character
In the current grand game that has just entered its second phase in middle east, IMHO, Pakistan or more precisely the people of Pakistan (not the green card loving generals sitting in GHQ) have another biblical role to play in very near future i.e. the unfortunate yet definite war with Endia (the moment we move an inch towards midde east, israelis would be forced to use their long invested endian card)
And Allah knows best
The honor of being Muslims is more than enough for us.
GENERAL
Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:04 PM
Liberal extremists like you try to drag others down, pigeon hole us in categories which your limited minds can understand. The vast majority of British people recognise the crimes Israel committed and continue to commit. Browse the comments sections of British papers, it'll blow your tiny mind. Even readers of right wing rags condemn Israel. You see in Britain you don't have to be an elitist to be a liberal, do people have more humanity in them than most upper class Pakistanis like yourself, the only bloodthirsty liberals in the world.
As far as the matter of a passport goes, I were to pick up a gun and go to the front lne, i wouldn't look back, only liberal extremists like yourself value your lives more than morality, therefore to you "not going back from the battlefield" is impossible. Where i would go the only passport I'd need is La ilaha illallah Muhammad Rasulullah. I would post it back with an open letter to society thanking them for every opportunity it gave me.
Unfortunately for your narrow minded narrative, I am not working myself into an angry frenzy which will end in my death. I have attended public protests the last time Israel attacked Gaza, I have done so again. I have contacted my MP, signed petitions asking the government to act and am boycotting Israel products.
Due to elitists like you across the muslim world, who's gaze as as far as thier navel and interests aligned with the accumulation of wealth and guarding western interests, Muslims have joined jihadi groups in a desperate attempt to make a change, these have after decades been shown to be overall ineffective and even counterproductive. I will join no such group. I am going to dedicate my life to change, making sure people are aware of the issues, educated enough to understand them, so as a collective we can stand up and wrestle power back for the people away from elite. Only then can we build our states and its apparatuses into effective tools for the people within this nation and others. The state will stand up and defend its interests, not proxies.
Very well said.
BRIGADIER
Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:46 PM
@Platinum: Yup...I am very narrow minded. Anyways...Bismillah karein aap
1) “We but teach bloody instructions which, being taught, return to plague the inventor” — Macbeth, Act 1, scene 7
2) "It is cream that rises to the top of milk. It is scum that rises to the top of a dirty pond."
GENERAL
Posted 20 July 2014 - 05:21 PM
Aoa
@Platinum: Yup...I am very narrow minded. Anyways...Bismillah karein aap
I am curious. Is there anyone you support?
w/salaam
BRIGADIER
Posted 20 July 2014 - 05:59 PM
Aoa
I am curious. Is there anyone you support?
w/salaam
Pakistan only.
Read post# 13.
1) “We but teach bloody instructions which, being taught, return to plague the inventor” — Macbeth, Act 1, scene 7
2) "It is cream that rises to the top of milk. It is scum that rises to the top of a dirty pond."
GENERAL
Posted 21 July 2014 - 12:17 AM
the palestinians are putting up a fight, 15 jew dog.s sent in for the ground offensive have been dispatched to hell so far. islamic jihad saturated southern israel with 35 rockets last week, the billion dollar iron dome managed to bring down only a couple of few.
its been reported that IJ has now access to longer range Fajr 5 iranian derivative that were fired at haifa albeit missing the target. the paranoid jews have become mad to the core and are mercilessly killing women and children defying all norms of civility, morals and ethics. even ambulances are not being spared
iran is the only nation that is actively helping the IJ with weapons . the rest of the muslim nations are an apt description of Mr Metanoia . dazed , confused, shocked and full of fear.
it is extremely urgent that pak army now open channels with IRGC /Al Quds force and somehow funnel ATGM's and MANPADs to Islamic jihad since these two organizations have already managed an elaborate supply system to funnel weapons , Pakistan, iran and turkey should asap deploy combat and hospital ships off gaza . i request general raheel to directly threaten israel , warn the coward and paranoid jew of the consequences
@blueazure47
GENERAL
Posted 21 July 2014 - 12:38 AM
Aoa
Pakistan only.
Read post# 13.
You support the operation going on in FATA. Good, but the operation started a few weeks ago, I am assuming you have been against the TTP from the get go - did you wear (whatever is the equivalent for the black turban and the camel) and go marching into FATA when the Government of Pakistan was still indecisive about the whole operation and Pakistanis were losing their lives daily?
Because according to your logic, anyone who supports someone must either get in some stereotypical dress and go full murder machine or shut up. Kill or ignore. Nothing in the middle. No other way. That is why you are irritated by people who show signs of support for anyone.
I am guessing you don't support the Kashmir cause as well. I am just assuming that because if you did you would have worn your outfit and conquered it or died trying. I am also assuming that because not every post you make has Kashmir and FATA OP first - as you clearly believe if one supports something he/she should always mention it first before they talk about something else.
w/salaam
GENERAL
Posted 21 July 2014 - 05:20 AM
GENERAL
Posted 21 July 2014 - 05:59 AM
All Arab Nations are A$s lickers of west and Pakistan Gov is A$s licker of both Arabs and west as always we going to keep our eyes closed.
remind me of Zia - Ul Haq Speech http://www.dailymoti...prime-time_news what ever he was atleast some one voice out for the Muslim Brothers and Sisters of Palestine. in today's time Muslims are getting played in the hand of western media , now if you notice world over Palestine is now replaced with Gaza and we are also promoting it. world is calling the home made rockets which are no more then a heavy duty firework A Missile ......
I know there might be a delay but there will be a Justice of All Mighty Allah and it will start with all these ba$tard muslim leaders first.
Dedicated to neighboring india specially hindu's :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAnyRGy2iU4
" World peace solution is to cut India down to size!!"
GENERAL
Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:21 AM
South Africa's parliament statement against Israel, and calls for expulsion of Israeli ambassador from South Africa and recalling of South African ambassador from Israel:
http://www.polity.or...2014-2014-07-18
GENERAL
Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:39 AM
GENERAL
Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:11 AM
Pakistan only.
Read post# 13.
Develop some human compassion. We all support Pakistan with every fiber in our body, but we also support right against wrong. Not only because Palestinians are Muslims, but more so because they are being wronged as human beings. You need to get out of your hatred for Arabs. I know, I know. Arabs are terrible people because they mistreat our people in their lands. We condemn that too. Although, that cannot serve as a reason to not support the just Palestinian cause.
BRIGADIER
Posted 21 July 2014 - 11:49 AM
Diplomatic....medicines...food supplies...clothes....and monetary if possible. I wouldn't reveal what I have done on a personal level....that's not me.
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Btw let me make one thing very clear for all the naive babies out there who are getting super emotional......Palestinian state is literally not asking for Pakistani help....they don't give a damn about the Pakistani state. Heck even their majority doesn't even think of Pakistani state as a key player....they are completely indifferent to Pakistan.
Saudi Arabia and Egypt are the only two nations the Palestinian authorities and the general population look up to...and then the larger arab community to some extent. It is only the Pakistanis who have this some sort of complex that they are somehow needed everywhere....fact of the matter is in the end Pakistan always manages to look like a joker/clown nation.
To all the people who are going to use Islam as their card.....please do not drag the entire Pakistani state machinary and nation in to your misguided notions....go pick up a weapon, wear a black turban and then get lost to do your jihad.
Pakistan First...everything else second.
PS. I am surprised to see the Pakistanis on the social media like facebook shedding tears of blood for the palestinians...everyday posting around 10-20 posts related to the atrocities in Gaza....which is all well and good. But the same mofos have not posted a single post in favour of our armed forces or IDPs......they don't even care what's going on in FATA......hypocrite complex shuda qaum.....idiots.
PPS: The title of the thread is completely wrong and misleading...it is the f##king HuT trying to drag Pakistan Army in the mess.....it is HuT boy band calling for Pakistan Army.....wonder why would you mislead people this way when it was clearly a HuT rally.
I used to think similarly to you but upon deep reflection I have completely changed my mind.
Henry Kissinger once said that you're better off being america's enemy than friend. He's absolutely correct. A lot of pro-western/liberal Pakistanis/Muslims always take every opportunity to put other Muslims off about confronting the west/zionists. Their argument is that we'd be annihilated. But the reality is very different. Take the example of Iran. Iran has been confronting the west for over 35 years and has only got more stronger and powerful. So much so that the west/zionists will not dare to attack it. Iran is one of the most scientifically developed and technologically advanced nations in the Middle East/Muslim world. The living standard of the people of Iran is way higher than that of most other countries in Asia (including Pakistan, China, india etc). Wheres the pro-western anti-Muslim Pakistani elite has made Pakistan much weaker in the same period. No one hated Islam more and loved the west/zionists than did Saddam Hussein. He was there absolute slave. And look what happened to him and Iraq via his beloved white masters. Contrary to asian thinking, one of the deep characteristics of the white race is that they only respect and be civil to you when you are confident enough to stand up to them. The Iranians/Persians know and understand this trait very well. Unfortunately most Pakistanis/Muslims don't.
I think the best course of action is for Pakistan to go back to our Islamic roots and find a genuine Islamic government and ethos. We should then confront all our enemies like the Iranians do. Perhaps than we could achieve what the Iranian brothers and sisters have done in the past 35 years or so.
Admiral
Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:17 PM
It can't be an individual action, needs to be collective; at-least that is what the Ummah is all about. If not, then every small herdsman 1400 years ago would start a war with another. If the Ummah is ISIL (haha) then they should do something? If the Ummah is OIC then they have to give a ruling, and then there can be some action after.
As for Pakistan alone, it's not our fight. We can assist but it's still their fight. We can fight with India, we won't get air support from KSA or Trurkey - because we didn't ask them before we started a war. We assisted in the 6 day war because it was an OIC decision, not an individual choice. Many Muslim countries participated.
If we help, then we need air space clearance from KSA, UAE, Jordan and Egypt. We need funding from OIC. First give Pakistan that and we shall see Al-Khalids, Baburs, and Hatf in Gaza.
Without the above the only three to directly jump in are Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt. Syria is not in a position because Asaad is an Alawite, lest you all forget. As for Pakistan, some one in another thread had told me that I shouldn't worry, let the Palestinians settle it. Now his opinion is quite the opposite 
BRIGADIER
Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:30 PM
...a sub loaded with cruise missiles on board in the mediterranean wud be a good enough deterrent..u just announce it k its there....its quiet hard to find a solo sub in the mediterranean anyway....
Admiral
Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:42 PM
Panzer I disagree. That is great if you want to give them one solid punch, but then after that punch they know where you are.
The point to jump into this conflict is not just the fight itself, but to sustain the hold. Leave tanks and missiles there, train them, start a defence force, etc. Maybe after try and disarm Israel and push them back to the 67 borders.
However, today the blame goes to Hamas, only they are to blame. Why did they start a conflict when they know what the outcome will be? If I know that my one punch is going to get my ribs broken I wouldn't punch you "first".
Today, it is Hamas' fault totally. They sabotaged the previous peace deal and started mayhem on the Palestinians. Today they don't want to take the peace deal and again started the very same act - kub tak chaley ga yeh?
Peace negotiations thread - http://forum.pakista...howtopic=101601
BRIGADIER
Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:52 PM
Why did they start a conflict when they know what the outcome will be?
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Because Hamas philosophy is to have as many dead bodies on both sides so the conflict always stays on the hot plate.
They actually welcome the Israelis killing Palestinians.....given their self-declared philosophy of destroying Israel completely....this will only help them become stronger and recruit more.
This has been the fundamental philosophy of all resistance and guerilla groups worldwide be it the Spanish vs Napoleon's armies or the polish resistance groups vs Wehrmacht etc.
Hamas are not in this for mere survival and continuing of their lot, the see the whole of Israel as stolen occupied territory and peace is actually anathema....like the red guard in china.....they want to create as much ruckus as they want and gamble for something more to come out of it (other than the base line renewed world focus on the area which is always welcome since they are the underdogs).
Admiral
Posted 21 July 2014 - 02:38 PM
There is an active peace deal in place between the Palestinians and Israel. Hamas deliberately sabotaged the deal and purposely chose Ramzan for this mayhem.
And this isn't the first time that Hamas sabotaged a peace deal, they do it every single time.
GENERAL
Posted 21 July 2014 - 05:18 PM
Aoa
I think I heard someone talk about this one BBC - why do the Palestinians fight when they cannot put up a substantive resistance. The answer was that their day to day lives have been made so difficult with the years long siege and other stuff. The speaker also pointed out that the Israelis actually were the ones who broke the treaty by assassinating a couple of people some time back - however, that did not get any coverage. So this was in response to those violations.
BTW I think if HAMAS was so pointlessly aggressive that when the Israelis were leaving them in peace and they provoked them then they wouldn't be so popular with the population.
and Allah knows best.
w/salaam
GENERAL
Posted 21 July 2014 - 05:39 PM
Aoa
So the person who is actually fighting the TTP and risking his own life and who has actually lost friends in this fight against these Khuwarij is able to say a few words in support of the Palestinians AND actually think that there are ways in which Pakistan may help them. Whilst some amongst us who are not even in the actual war zone risking life and limb and comrades think that we can only spare enough support for FATA OP and not for anyone else regardless of how oppressed they are.
Good to see our Army cares for justice.
...a sub loaded with cruise missiles on board in the mediterranean wud be a good enough deterrent..u just announce it k its there....its quiet hard to find a solo sub in the mediterranean anyway....
One of the few hopeful posts in this otherwise dark thread.
w/salaam
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