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[blueazure]

 

oh lord, karachi is doing ehsaan on the nation by taxing the port import goodies and calling it the 65 percent revenue . 

[worldpower]

 

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Tell me something ..... what was the fundamental principle on the struggle for Pakistan was waged on? Was to have a country just because we didn't like the British leaving our lands? Or was it because hindus were simply too unhygienic for our liking? 

 

Keep your ignorance to yourself, because you really are an ignorant fool to believe anything other than that, the struggle waged to create Pakistan was entirely based on the principle of ISLAM. And if you don't know that, then you really ought to shut up and go live in the west somewhere.

 

Islam is where Pakistan starts and there is no Pakistan without Islam. And it is the Islam of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam, not the illiterate mullahs of today. As a Muslim, this is your first and only identity with which you have the right to call yourself Pakistani (non-Muslims are Pakistani too, but they are minority, whose welfare is cared for).

 

As for your being offended about your righteousness being questioned. Only one who takes offense to this, is one who has hidden skeletons within. Question anyone who is anti-Pakistan, who is anti-Islam, who is anti-Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam. This is our God given RIGHT as Pakistanis, as this is our land, our people, our freedom and our identity at stake. And if you don't like it, then go buzz off to your yuppie yank friends in New York.

 

As for the "whole point" of the debate ....... there was no debate here, it was a mudslinging, slur hurling, shameful display of unpatriotic behavior. When one starts saying that Punjab, or Baluchistan, or Pukhtunkhwa or Gilget-Baltistan, or Sindh is/are more important than the other four provinces. Then it is not a debate! And if you cannot see this, then you really ought to go the doctor and get your eye-sight checked. That's what I make of your "whole point"!

 

Oh .... so you wanna lecture me about Islam now? What is it exactly you want to discuss about Karachi? The fact that it is being fought over by a bunch of inbred, traitor, self-serving, racist scum? Is that what you are trying to say? Well, yes of course there is injustice in Karachi. Heck there is injustice in Pakistan all over. And what do you, Mr. Righteous propose we do about it??? Have a mudslinging ethnicity contest all over Pakistan?\

 

60%, or 3% or whatever the hell it is you say, is meaningless. Because it YOU who is missing the WHOLE POINT. We have to bring together unity, cohesion, discipline, organization, intelligence-core and planning within the core of the Pakistani Nation. And you can try and fail over and over again, but you won't achieve it without the Sunnah of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam. You can have PHd, and yet you won't be able to fix Pakistan's troubles. Not unless, with the PHd, you have Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam Sunnah and the wisdom of the Holy Qur'an.

 

Maybe you are a drifter on this forum, because you obviously are not aware of the principles that I stand for. More than I hate hindustanis, I hate that my fellow countrymen fight amongst one another. Be you from Karachi, Punjab, Baluchistan, Pukhtunkhwa, Gilget-Baltistan or Sindh. All are my brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers ......... none is above the other. This is because my beloved Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam) taught us this. So do yourself a favor and stop informing me about the discrimination against the people of Karachi, as they are my fellow countrymen, my brothers & sisters too. 

 

As for the Mullahs of Pakistan, at least the present ones, are nothing more than a bunch of senseless fools whose level of acumen is comparable to a chimpanzee. They blindly dive into politics, without the full knowledge of Islam and they are left dumbfounded when confronted with zionist-west's sinister accusations and assaults on Islam. These Pakistani Mullahs, just like the ones in Iran, Jazeerat-ul-Arab (I call Arabia by it's real name, it does not belong to the saudi-illiterates), Eygpt, or anywhere else in the Islamic World. So you don't need to tell me about them, they are a disgrace to the scholarship of Islam. 

 

Buddy, why do you think I was stern with my words against such unpatriotic behavior? This is exactly the reason why, this sort of behavior will not enable us to resolve the major issues we face with our country and our people. You want to discuss the issues, do so without personal, ethnic or demeaning remarks. Intelligent, staunch Muslims, do resolve matters by focusing on the problem, not hurling slurs and abuses at each other's person, ethnicity or faith. The absence of this, is the reason why we Pakistanis are still in a state of chaos, anarchy, division and turmoil. Do it with peaceful means, intelligent and rational approach. You can achieve this, if you behaved civilized and which is exactly the Sunnah of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.  

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For someone who considers himself very Islamic, your post is ridden with insults, aggressive attacks and non islamic behavior. People like those have a name for them: They are called MUNAFIQS. 

 

I've met hundreds like you who wear their religion on their sleeves for show but behind everyone's back they are nothing but hypocrites. The simple fact that you dismissed the situation of minorities as "they are taken care of" REEKS of IGNORANCE of ground realities in Pakistan. Your RANT addressed NOTHING about the debate we were having but was filled with typical MULLAH style EMPTY SLOGANEERING.

 

It is MUNAFIQS like who PREACH ISLAM, but then smuggle diesel, narcotics and commit crime and give ISLAM a bad image. It was MUNAFIQs like you who were initially against the creation of Pakistan, but then jumped the bandwagon when Pakistan was inevitable.  

 

Its MUNAFIQS  who have introduced BACKWARD laws like the HUDOOD ordinance, which is more INSULTING TO ISLAM as it is used blatantly by people such as yourself to commit INJUSTICE.

 

YOU have no AUTHORITY or RIGHT to question my or anyone else's religion. THAT ONLY BELONGS TO Allah.  Those who wear their religion on their sleeves and condemn every OTHER person for how they conduct themselves ...ARE THE ONE"s who have skeleton's in their closets not people like me. 

WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME TO GO LIVE IN THE WEST? I can comment on all or any aspects of Pakistani politics without having to agree with your opinions. If you have a problem with that, SOD OFF.   

 

You can PREACH Unity...but if a people face discrimination based on their ETHNICITY, they will REACT accordingly. Karachiites before the MQM appeared for years voted Jammati Islami, because we BELIEVED in the concept of Islamic Unity. But did the rest of Pakistan treat us so?? Once it became clear that we were discriminated against because we were not "SONS OF THE SOIL" you saw the emergence of MQM and such groups. 

 

To ignore that Pakistanis continue to do Politics based on ethnicity is to be out of touch with ground reality. Karachiites would be the first to treat everyone according to the Islamic principles of equality and unity...but we are a minority in the country and it takes two hands to clap. 

 

EMPTY ISLAMIC SLOGANEERING will not drown out the REAL problem of INJUSTICE in Pakistan...address the actual problem...and spare us the MULLAH-GARDY.

[worldpower]

Karachi actually contributes only 25% of the national revenue (ingenious contribution) .

 

You can check it out in the executive summary or page 4 of this report by the Asian Development Bank.

 

http://www2.adb.org/...05-PAK-DPTA.pdf

 

 

Interesting how you left this portion out:

 

 

Pakistan is in the midst of an economic upturn. Wide-ranging structural reforms, prudent 

macroeconomic policies, fiscal discipline, and consistency and continuity in policies have 

transformed Pakistan into a stable and resurgent economy. Karachi, the capital of Sindh 

Province, is the commercial hub and the gateway of Pakistan. The city handles 95% of 

Pakistan’s foreign trade, contributes 30% to Pakistan’s manufacturing sector, and almost 90% 

of the head offices of the banks, financial institutions and multinational companies operate from 

Karachi. The country’s largest stock exchange is Karachi-based, making it the financial and 

commercial center of the country. Karachi contributes 20% of GDP, adds 45% of the national 

value-added, retains 40% of the total national employment in large scale-manufacturing, holds 

50% of bank deposits and contributes 25% of national revenues and 40% of provincial 

revenues. To sustain the momentum of economic growth is a major challenge, and is 

dependant on continued job creation and poverty alleviation, which is in turn dependant upon 

strengthening the management efficiency of Karachi, and supporting improvements in urban 

infrastructure and services.

 

ALL this on ONE CITY. 

 

Again are you still going to deny the importance of KARACHI??

[worldpower]

 

oh lord, karachi is doing ehsaan on the nation by taxing the port import goodies and calling it the 65 percent revenue . 

 

Hmm...well taxes are how our government functions, our military functions...so yeah its pretty important.   And you're welcome.

[worldpower]

 

Worldpower

 

" It has been KARACHI (yes thats right, ONE CITY), for the past 65+ years that has provided MORE than 60% of revenues for the government. It has been Karachi that was the most literate and Karachiites who helped Pakistan prosper ESPECIALLY back in the days when things were based on MERIT. Unfortunately the Rural Sindhi's (SINDHI VADERAS and their slaves) who dominate the population have made sure that Karachi will never receive its DUE SHARE and AUTHORITY.  Karachi was only given its rightful attention under Musharraf and we all remember and miss the development of Karachi then. 

 

You can live in your dream world GALLANT, but the STATUS QUO cannot be maintained. The military can handle the western border (like they were doing under Musharraf)  and overthrow GANJOO if he pushes them too much. And Ganjoo knows this. Why do you think Khwaja (sira) Asif shat his pants and apologized to them during the recent arguments? Either that or some form of political alliance will gain popularity against the unjust policies "

 

One thing is for sure. The current system will change. It is only a matter of time'. 

Actually it has already changed, Pakistan for 1st time in history has had a 5 yrs complete govt (whether good or bad) and 5 more years needed to bring socio-economic stability, no more interference and coups.

 

Firstly, in your English essay-like post what you have written is all a matter of have been, has been, what was and used to be. We need to stop gloating over what Karachi used to be. As currently is in a state of turmoil where everyone is eating bombs and bullets for breakfast. Shatters the investors confidence when they dont know if they will come back home in one piece. Compared to Punjab which is still relatively more peaceful. Going ahead with production and infrastructure development despite Ganjoo looting, assault of property dealers in uniform and Ghaddari.

 

Secondly, just like you, I also hope army vaporises all the scumbags along Western border. Rest assured property Dealers in Uniform (Army higher echelon) is not going to remove Ganjoo because they canot afford another front opening up. They cannot afford another misadventure and infact it is Army Ex-genral Busharraf who just got removed and is awating his outcome. And dont even get me started on homeless and stateless Busharraf whose fruits we are still enjoying to this day. His best future is to somehow escape Pakistan and end-up working  in Chicago at Halal Meat & grocery store, with apron around his waist and working near his son.

 

Dont worry about Khawja Asif Sira, worry more about what Gen Raheel had to say about how he 'vows to preserve dignity of the army'

http://tribune.com.p...-armys-dignity/

 

Let me translate the word 'dignity' in Urdu for you, it means ghairat. So they are busy tryiing to clean up their dirty laundry. The bad reputition they have earned over the few recent years. My friend everyone has got work to do, Ghaddari, Ganjoo and the Army. Best not to interfere in eachother's matters and clean up their own mess.

 

Frankly, Army needs to get its priorities right, whether they need to fast replace the flying coffin Mirages with cracked airframes, costing precious pilot lives OR they want another ousting of Ganjoo who btw is safe and sound for next 5 years. Mirages are from an era when dinosaurs were alive, wheel was just invented and fire had just been discovered!

 

 

Ganjoo thought he was safe and sound the last time too  The Army is the cream of our population and your open hatred against the army speaks volumes about your allegiances. 

 

I would have Army rule over Ganjoos or Zardari's any time. At least the Army with all its flaws still needs to keep Pakistan existing and functioning and they tend to deliver better on governance and grass roots democracy. 

 

Musharraf is untouchable. This showbaazzi court drama will eventually play itself out, but Musharraf will walk free.  Even at the court hearing people commented on "you can tell who actually runs the country" 

[Skull-Buster]

 

 

 

Interesting how you left this portion out:

 

 

Pakistan is in the midst of an economic upturn. Wide-ranging structural reforms, prudent 

macroeconomic policies, fiscal discipline, and consistency and continuity in policies have 

transformed Pakistan into a stable and resurgent economy. Karachi, the capital of Sindh 

Province, is the commercial hub and the gateway of Pakistan. The city handles 95% of 

Pakistan’s foreign trade, contributes 30% to Pakistan’s manufacturing sector, and almost 90% 

of the head offices of the banks, financial institutions and multinational companies operate from 

Karachi. The country’s largest stock exchange is Karachi-based, making it the financial and 

commercial center of the country. Karachi contributes 20% of GDP, adds 45% of the national 

value-added, retains 40% of the total national employment in large scale-manufacturing, holds 

50% of bank deposits and contributes 25% of national revenues and 40% of provincial 

revenues. To sustain the momentum of economic growth is a major challenge, and is 

dependant on continued job creation and poverty alleviation, which is in turn dependant upon 

strengthening the management efficiency of Karachi, and supporting improvements in urban 

infrastructure and services.

 

ALL this on ONE CITY. 

 

Again are you still going to deny the importance of KARACHI??

 

 

 

There is no question about importance of Karachi, and that is why people like me want to get Karachi rid of mafias like the MQM so it can prosper.

 

The question was about the so called 65% revenue which you claimed is generated by Karachi, which I showed is nothing but a very gross misrepresentation of the reality. 

[platinum786]

LOL, a lot of typical Pakistani bakwaas on thus topic, Narrow minded people are why are in this difficult position.

Seriously who gives a f**k what Karachi's contribution to the economy is. The same question applies for Punjab. Independently, outside of the national picture they are equally as irrelevant. They are merely cogs in the machine, parts of the engine. Thier contributions are only relevant as part of the whole picture.

Without Pakistan Karachi would be a port city run by a mafia, ridden with terrorists and criminal gangs. If the goods which land there had to have a further duty paid to them to get into Pakistan, Karachi would be pointless.

Without Pakistan, Punjab would be a small agricultural land locked state. It's water would be in Indian and Pakistani control. Its produce would be subject to taxation if sold in Pakistan.

Without Karachi Pakistan would lose it's main seaport and economic centre.

Without Punjab Pakistan would lose its agricultural and manufacturing base as well as it's largest population group.

These things only matter as part of a whole. We have idiots arguing wether their hands are more important than their feet. Remarkable!!

Edited by platinum786, 08 June 2014 - 02:54 AM.

[worldpower]

Platinum, 

 

No one is denying the importance of the other. What the discussion is about is how fairly the people of Karachi are being treated. 

 

For a city that contributes so much...why are they being denied their due rights?  Are you denying that injustice exists? 

 

No one is calling for Karachi to be separated from Pakistan. 

 

Is it wrong to point out an injustice against a people and a city??

 

Why is it that everyone tries to drown out any call to draw attention to the blatant imbalance?  An inability to accept the guilt?

 

Anytime I try and draw attention to the plight of Karachi I face one of two replies:

 

1) Karachi is overrated and doesn't deserve more than the crumbs its getting

 

2) You're a regionalist! How dare you talk about Karachi instead of Pakistan!

 

Yes Pakistan is my country....but a country is strong only when its people are given justice and their rights. 

 

We haven't learned from Bangladesh sadly 

[platinum786]

We haven't learned from Bangladesh sadly 

 

Yeah you're right, we still make mountains out of molehills. The treachery of the Bengali's is best left to history or another topic.

 

Who in Pakistan is treated correctly? Who gets thier haq? Anyone? Find a single household in Pakistan (which is not part of the ruling elite) where you can say these people recieve the haq they deserve from the state. It is the same all over. Karachi is no special case, or particular exception. It's citizens are no more deserving  of state resources than those in mudhuts in baloch villages. Those in Mudhuts are in baloch villages are no more deserving of state resources than those in kachi abadi's in Pindi. They are all equally deserving and equally neglected by successive governments.

 

This "woe is me, i am a victim" mentality irks me somewhat. I have no right to be annoyed by it, because alhamdulillah i am not suffering in Pakistan, but if we look around fairly, there is no favourites, the only one who benefits is Pakistani politicians, time and time again.

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

Well said plat.

W/salaam

[blueazure]

to the delusional fools threatening us with the Bangladesh example :-

 

 

1) this is not 1971   , there is no geographic separation b/w karachi and rest of Pakistan

 

2) the Pakistan armed forces of today are exponentially stronger then they were in 1971. 

 

3) bengalis had solid grounds for separation, the local population stood up with the separatist forces

 

4) in karachi, we basically have a criminal cum political structure aka MQM whose terrorist ideology has been rejected by all peace loving pakistanis

 

sorry , no more Bangladeshs, as of now, all insurgencies are being ruthlessly crushed in FATA and Baluchistan. 

 

karachi is next

[worldpower]

 

Yeah you're right, we still make mountains out of molehills. The treachery of the Bengali's is best left to history or another topic.

 

Who in Pakistan is treated correctly? Who gets thier haq? Anyone? Find a single household in Pakistan (which is not part of the ruling elite) where you can say these people recieve the haq they deserve from the state. It is the same all over. Karachi is no special case, or particular exception. It's citizens are no more deserving  of state resources than those in mudhuts in baloch villages. Those in Mudhuts are in baloch villages are no more deserving of state resources than those in kachi abadi's in Pindi. They are all equally deserving and equally neglected by successive governments.

 

This "woe is me, i am a victim" mentality irks me somewhat. I have no right to be annoyed by it, because alhamdulillah i am not suffering in Pakistan, but if we look around fairly, there is no favourites, the only one who benefits is Pakistani politicians, time and time again.

 

 

I agree that getting treated right in Pakistan is a luxury. And trust me I doubt i'll see a day when everyone does.

 

But lets talk about priorities here. Can we at least start with our most productive city?

 

I'm talking about the ONE CITY that has been the engine of Pakistan for the past 60 years. I doubt that you can compare what Karachi gives and what it gets in return, the IMBALANCE is ABSURD....and nothing short of CRIMINAL. 

 

I see a lot of people hate on the MQM. A lot of it understandable. I cant stand Altaf Hussains speeches.

 

But has anyone ever thought why they have such a following?

 

To me the fastest way the MQM can lose support is if you deny them the merits to use the victim story. Not a single political party besides the MQM is willing to stand up for Karachi. 

[Dizasta]

For someone who considers himself very Islamic, your post is ridden with insults, aggressive attacks and non islamic behavior. People like those have a name for them: They are called MUNAFIQS.

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Please, indulge me in what insults I have stated in my posts.

 

I know your kind ..... the one who twists around with their words and accuses others just to put them on their back foot.

 

As for being munafiq ...... well the temptation was there to say that it takes one to know one. But you ..... you're in a league of your own.

 

I have been on Pakistani Defense Forum for 11 years now and not once have I fought with my own countryman. Where I have strive to unite my countrymen and stood firmly against the hindu infestation here on PDF. So for you to come around and accuse me of being a Mullah, is kind laughable. Simply because, in your tiny little head, the only ones who talk about Islam, are Jahil Mullahs. That is the limitation of your intelligence, nothing more than a bum-rap! If you have any proof of me being un-Islamic, then put up ..... otherwise, shut up!

 

I've met hundreds like you who wear their religion on their sleeves for show but behind everyone's back they are nothing but hypocrites. The simple fact that you dismissed the situation of minorities as "they are taken care of" REEKS of IGNORANCE of ground realities in Pakistan. Your RANT addressed NOTHING about the debate we were having but was filled with typical MULLAH style EMPTY SLOGANEERING.

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And you're the expert on Mullahs, are you? Tell me, what exactly do you have (in credentials) to show for yourself, proving that you're a pure, Islamic, patriotic Pakistani? ....... Got a yardstick to measure people by? Or have you developed an algorithm that allows your software to tell who wares their religion on their sleeves? 

 

Also ....... Do not accuse me of something I have not done ..... got that! All a half-wit, self-taught ignorant like you have is a single pattern brain. Fixated about one thing, while losing the plot on the big picture. You wanna rant, go ahead rant ................... just remember that you are talking to Pakistanis for Pakistan. Taking a few statistics from some website, cut-copy-paste it here and suddenly, you're the expert on Karachi. Do yourself a favor and go ask your father and/or grandfather what is the meaning of Pakistan. 

 

Karachi is Pakistan, Karachi'ites are Pakistanis .......... we have the same blood, the same faith, the same Kiblah, the same Qur'aan, the same Prophet Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam, the same mattee (soil), the same flag and the same anthem. The only one trying to create a divide here, is your ignorant and illiterate kind. 

 

Any sane, patriotic and Muslim, Pakistani knows that the injustices in Karachi are inflected by a multi-dimensional threat. Be it ANP, MQM, JUI, PPP, Jeay-Sindh or any other lunatic party. All are equally criminal and traitorous when it comes to Karachi. A true Pakistani party would have a Pakistani flag not one of their own party. No one is looking out for Karachi, because of the corruption, greed and total abandonment of Islam. Be it in terms of alcohol, prostitution, murder, thuggery, bribe or terrorism. All of these parties incite violence and the urban version of feudalism. 

So go rant somewhere about your nonsense .... cuz I know about my country, my countrymen and my Karachi. 

 

 

YOU have no AUTHORITY or RIGHT to question my or anyone else's religion. THAT ONLY BELONGS TO Allah.  Those who wear their religion on their sleeves and condemn every OTHER person for how they conduct themselves ...ARE THE ONE"s who have skeleton's in their closets not people like me. 

WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME TO GO LIVE IN THE WEST? I can comment on all or any aspects of Pakistani politics without having to agree with your opinions. If you have a problem with that, SOD OFF

 

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Listen up, you ignorant idiot ........................ My post was to my countrymen and brothers, who were bickering amongst themselves with taunts and slurs that divides us as Pakistanis. If you have a problem with that, then go buzz off to neverland ranch, bozo. Islam has everything to do with Pakistan and if you think that I wear Islam on my sleeve. Then you are a presumptuous, ignorant, pompous moron .... who takes it upon himself to class someone into a Mullah-loony, just because he talks of Islam when on the subject of Pakistan.